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Next, lib. the right s celebration of violence, their fetishization of guns, which there s a lot to say about where that is coming from, but the fetishization of guns and the celebration of violence is one of the most ominous developments in american politics, and sometimes it has been happening for a long time but they re putting it now on full display. joe lawnie cobb is a staffer at the new yorker, professor at the columbus school of journalist. linda chavez joined as the highest ranking woman in the reagan administration. they join me now. linda, i want to start with you because i noticed something in interactions with people on social media about kyle rittenhouse that it is a little bit of a wedge among conservatives, similar in to ways to the vaccines. a lot of conservatives are like, i m a trump person, i hate liberals, i hate fauci but i got the vaccine. then some people are like, no, it is a secret plot by george ....

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