Independence and make them give me something in the meantime. their phrase that they re emphatic about is phased measures. that is to say, we agree to do something and you agree to do something. we agree we ll take this step toward denuclearization and you will relieve us of the sanctions not we have to do something and then you ll do something but we do it at the at the same time. bill: would we agree to that? it s almost a tit for a tat. it is phased and synchronous. we do it at the at the same time. we shouldn t do it because that s what they ve done. remember, four times they ve agreed to give up their nuclear program and four times they ve broken their word and by breaking it in private and we find out about it later. ....