this weekend at an arizona rally, donald trump once again publicly administered an intelligence test which the attendees failed. by believing the following lies told by donald trump. quote. january 6th rally was a protest against a crooked election. the real insurrection took place on election day. november 3rd. atlantic reporter covered the trump rally in arizona. and reports nearly everyone i interviewed at the rally vowed to follow trumps lead and support only gop candidates who endorse the false idea that he won the election. joining us now. chairman of the african-american studies department at princeton university. and a contributor. and a former republican presidential campaign strategist and cofounder of the lincoln
with all the evidence we have, the arizona election should be decertified by the with cause by the legislature. this is how the people can get justice. yes. you heard that right. that was the same mark finchem who was at the capitol january 6th speaking at donald trump s big lie-filled arizona rally. yes, he is running for arizona secretary of state where he would be in charge of the state s elections. and yes, he has the full and complete endorsement of donald j. trump. elaine godfrey was at trump s rally reporting on it for the atlantic where she described it as the soft launch of trump s 2024 campaign and tess owen is covering right-wing extremism. thank you both for joining me. elaine, let me start with you. give me a sense of the atmosphere at trump s crazy rally. did it feel any different to the previous crazy rallies?
much worse. none of that happened to donald trump. he s out, bobbing around, planning the next one. we won the state. it is something that i can test that i will continue to contest. we are up by a massive amount at 10:00 in the evening. and then all of the sudden, things closed, it reopened and voila, look what happened. we have to be a lot sharper next time. famous statement saying that sometimes the vote counter is more important than the candidate. we cannot let that ever happen again. have to get tougher. that was donald trump over the weekend, before his arizona rally. apparently quoting joseph stalin. on the importance of the republican party controlling the vote counter in this case the state of pennsylvania. while again, he is a free man, he can do it you won t, say what you want, to whoever, anyone who will listen. there is a growing chorus of people saying that there have to be criminal and legal consequences for what he
you read stories like this all the time. about people who believe this. but to be in a crowd surrounded by thousands, upon thousands of them, telling you the same thing, the same lies. it is really something else. and it really does not bode well. i think it felt very sinister. sinister indeed. tess, you have been reporting on the oath keepers organization. which is a very sinister organization. how big and widespread is this group? how surprising is it to see a trump endorsed oath keepers candidate for elected office? thanks for having me mehdi. in terms of membership numbers, that is difficult to say. because i almost take membership numbers quoted by the leaders with a grain of salt. they tend to inflate them to make themselves look more powerful. one key thing is, as elaine pointed out, from the arizona rally, the way to achieve legitimacy in the gop these days. is to rally behind trump s election lies. and many people rallying behind trump s election lies are
mrs. vance. fall the front runner, but former tv anchor, also spoke. she was a front runner for the governments. race she s all in for the big lie. that arizona rally was a unity rally. and the former governor wasn t there. but he doesn t have a job. that was a unity for everybody in the party and they re all singing the same thing. the 2020 election was a fraud. obviously that s false. and there needs to be a recompense for it in 2024. that is extremely radical. and it s across the party. and i think that that event was alarming and should be getting more attention than it. this symone d. sanders, you are involved with the biden campaign and the biden white house. i want to read something that ezra klein wrote. this presidency isn t turning out as planned. he wrote, that they have largely succeeded. feels like the best kept secret in washington. your call, forecasters expected