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Refusal of approved care. you go to the judge. what they will look at is do you have a history of proven treatment. can you say it s very, very likely to work. if you can hit the standard and the antibiotics would work here, you ll get a court order to over ride and i m sure the judge was horrified they agreed to use medicine and didn t do it. it s hard to believe this could have happened twice. the prosecutor in the first case, in fact, she said she knew this would happen again. did the system fail here? yeah. absolutely, and soren. it did you know sorry, ariva, go ahead. i m sorry, we had these kids placed at home with parents who had proven they were not going to give their children medical care. we have weird exception laws in states particularly pennsylvania saying faith healing is an exception to giving your children care but not when there is bodily harm or a potential for death like in this case. i think the child protective services, the court system, everyone