country at war, you also risk some of that information coming out, but we ve seen the administration has been very aggressive about passing that information to the ukrainians and i think it s very important. president zelenskyy told our colleague jake tapper that ukraine will not cede any territory as part of any eventual possible peace agreement but as we see russia not only hold on to territory held since 2014 but expand those holdings in the south and the east, is that a realistic hope for ukraine or is that territory under russia control becoming, you know, as we say, facts on the ground? i think this is indicative, jim, of where we are in this war. i think both sides are a little more geared up. the russians are still stinging, of course, from their defeats in the west, although they re still attacking using, you know, far off weapons systems like cruise missiles and so forth, but they re still striking across the country to show that they
history, whether it s the united states or western allies, have been forced to negotiate with people with bad faith in the past and it s doable, but the pressure points and identifying them and pushing on them. the agreements with the soviet union trust and verify, modify, we ll see what follows. steve hall, thanks so much. sure. and ahead this hour, we speak to the mayor who was once captured by the russian people and now joining us from rome. what his city needs right now. and pope francis had a direct message for him and his fellow ukrainians this weekend. that s next. plus, i ll speak with a young russian who was actually disowned by his mother for voicing his opposition to the war in ukraine. all of that coming up next. so carvana worked with my shift manager to get it all worked ouout.
can. and they re really bearing down, of course, as you re all seeing on the ground there in the east. but the ukrainians themselves are, of course, still feeling that, look, they can beat the russians as they did in the west. so i don t think either side right now is prepared to say, okay, let s sit down and talk. but eventually, strategically, somebody s going to have to come to some sort of agreement. the ukrainians like to kick the russians out completely probably to include crimea but certainly out of donbas and the russians, if it continues to go poorly for them, might do something like they did with finland in 1939 to say, look, we re going to hack off a part of your country, perhaps the donbas in exchange for you remaining a country. so what we ll have to see, i don t think we re there but both sides are like, we need to figure out a way out of that s not military. steve, how do you do that when you see vladimir putin, first of all, not even acknowledge that ukraine is a
denaziification and nationalists and they re beneath us. vladimir putin always touts russia s constitution as written as a multiethnic society. you yourself are multiracial. can you give us a perspective of what the reality is on the ground there about embracing other ethnicities, including neighbors like ukrainians? well, every time when i ve been to ukraine, well, i saw that people speak in russian, and well, i never heard any stories of russian speaking people in ukraine, this is crazy and this is not true.
ben wedeman, thank you so much. cia chief of russia operations, steve hall. always great to have you on. as this war enters the second phase now, we are learning that the u.s. is expanding the intelligence that it has sharing with the ukrainians now to encompass the donbas region and crimea. how significant is that? bianna, i think it s really important that the ukrainians receive all the intelligence they possibly can, not just from the united states but the european allies. we have good intelligence capabilities, not only object tactical military front but the more strategic front in terms of where things happen in the future and it s important that sharing increase. there is always a bit of a concern when you re sharing this kind of intelligence because, of course, the russians are working hard on their side to also collect intelligence and find out what s going on and they probably had their own spies inside of ukraine and even perhaps inside the ukrainian government. so when y