country related to business and unusually related to things that his family business needs in terms of financing. what is your reporting told you? well, so back in 2017, just last year, for the first half of the year, jared kushner had a series of meetings, including some at the white house, with a guy named josh harris who is one of the founders of apollo, which is a big private equity firm. and at one point the two of them discussed a possible white house job for mr. harris. and the job never materialized, but by november of last year something else did. which is a $184 million loan from apollo to kushner companies to refinance a building that kushner owns in chicago, the at&t midwest headquarters located there. and this is by apollo standards an enormous loan. this is three times the size of the average loan that apollo gives. so the kind of chronology is jared kushner meets with an official at apollo and discusses