a context rather than quickly trying to adapt to something we don t understand. and, you know what? maybe the way we re doing it will be completely irrelevant in ten years. i can t really speak to that. i don t know. but right now this is what s working. i think one of the things one of the things that s really critical to understand is the way in which these people in the congregation are participants, not consumers. they re helping to create what it is that they re experiencing. they re not passively coming in and consuming a relujous product that authorities have assembled for them, you know, in a sort of patronizing way. so they really are participating in what it is that they re experiencing. i think that s important. nadia bolz-webber is working. a lot of churches are struggling to bring people in, people are struggling at getting a seat at the house for all saints and sinners in downtown denver. thank you so much for speaking us with. the book is pastrix.
churches are fighting to bring people back through the doors. the congregants though at the house for all saints and sinners in downtown denver is fighting for every last empty seat. they re filling up. i know. with us is nadia webber. she is bold, brash, covered in tattoos and her fans give her the rock star treatment. so her message has gone all the way now to the new york times best seller list. we re joined by nadia webber now. thank you for joining us this morning. i want to first talk about my pleasure. i want you to talk about the title, pastrics. yeah, so it is actually a term of insult that my detractors started to give mement they think women shouldn t be pastors. and so when they would write hateful things about me on their blogs, they wouldn t use my