seizure of voting machines and which we reported on last night. it also leaves a remarkable impression, which though it s not the lead, underscores how just beyond the pale the entire saga truly was. so inappropriate, so unprecedented that in at least one facet of the former president s search for some agency to seize voting machines and swing states, this guy, the sad sack, once a well respected spam for life lock, rudy giuliani may have actually been a voice of reason. do you realize how ludicrous an idea would have to have been for rudy giuliani to be a voice of reason about it? he stood next to the release the kraken ley lady. the same rudy giuliani channeling braveheart. let s have trial by combat. that rudy giuliani. in this case it seems a voice of reason. the one who reportedly said no at least to one especially dire option the former president was exploring. now the episode is contained in this newtimes reporting that as i mentioned adds to cnn s reporting from l
Outside advisers, these kind of ad hoc advisers such a as sidne powell and michael flynn and others were able to get into the white house and flotilla float these really nutty ideas what should be happening. as maggie s reporting says, when giuliani went to ken cuccinelli, it was smacked down. when the attorney general barr was asked about it, it was smacked down. to the best of my knowledge, nobody at dod had ever heard about this at all. these memos were being circulated to ad hoc groups. but they were being presented to the president. they were being exactly. and the president was responding to them. and in fact liked it enough that he had giuliani approach cuccinelli, which is amazing. exactly. so it is amazing, anderson. there is no other word to say. it s amazing, right? i know that i don t know firsthand, but white house council pat cipollone i know would have also kind of pushed back on these. i know because he was ade omitt
The day is the big deal is dead, completely dead, and we are down to either a small down, a mini deal, or going after the cliff straight. what is your reaction to this? i don t you know, i m not sure that s true. just talking to my colleagues in the senate, i think the middle ground is pretty well known by everybody, and i think you could still get something that would be viewed by the ratings agencies as well as the american public as a pretty good solution. so i think it s possible. i don t know that that will happen. it s unfortunate that we re waiting until this late in the hour to try to accomplish something. so, then, what do you see as that middle ground? i know you re a member of the gang of eight. i ve been surprised, actually, i ve not seen more coming out of ad hoc groups of senators and congressmen. when you talk to your colleagues, what do they see as what can be salvaged here? well, let me answer the first part of that. none of us wanted to try to jeopardize what
Had the privilege to speaking to republican senator tom coburn of oklahoma. senator, thank you so much for being here tonight. glad to be with you, ezra. it so seems to me the news of the day is the big deal is dead, completely dead, and we are down to either a small down, a mini deal, or going after the cliff straight. what is your reaction to this? i don t you know, i m not sure that s true. just talking to my colleagues in the senate, i think the middle ground is pretty well known by everybody, and i think you could still get something that would be viewed by the ratings agencies as well as the american public as a pretty good solution. so i think it s possible. i don t know that that will happen. it s unfortunate that we re waiting until this late in the hour to try to accomplish something. so, then, what do you see as that middle ground? i know you re a member of the gang of eight. i ve been surprised, actually, i ve not seen more coming out of ad hoc groups of senators