of staff mark meadows testified that he knew the mob he was about to incite and send marching to the capital was armed. i was in the vicinity where i heard a conversation and the president said something to the effect of, i don t care that they have weapons. cassidy hutchinson testifying under oath about that. she testified to the president s eagerness to join the mob at the capitol. also, his counsel s horror at the prospect and his fears being charged with, according to her, every crime imaginable. hard to imagine what happens next. in a moment, stephanie murphy will be handling some of the questions. first, new reporting on what to expect tomorrow and also an item on what the former white house counsel was asked about in testimony on friday. we are joined now. what have you learned about patsy pallone s testimony? everybody wants to know what he told the committee during his lengthy deposition. he was with the committee for more than seven hours, i should say. we are
Which i believe according to the laws of physics is impossible, and of course driven by ill motives. The story broke land wednesday. We are six days into this and the speed i guess we knew there was a whistleblower complaint coming out of the dni. One of the defining features of the trump era is the incredible speed, ferocity with which information happens. It was apt that we would end up here after all these months of waiting around, that the thing that turned out to be the trigger could turn it this quickly. Its a great point, it was last wednesday the Washington Post broke the story about the whistleblower complaint being tied to the president s conduct with ukraine. It snapped everyone square in the face. Theres nancy pelosi. Tuesday we observed the anniversary of the adoption of the constitution on september
17th. Sadly, on that day, the Intelligence Community Inspector General formally notified the congress that the administration was forbidding him from turning over a whistleblo
this is not an insignificant share of them that are cheering on this type of mechanisms or operations in washington for the very purpose of stalling what they believe is ineffective. a republican electorate with the primaries, continuing to see the candidates that push that sort of stuff. let me ask you about kyrsten sinema, since i have you, and since you know arizona so well, bucking both parties saying americans don t like them and she s right, americans don t like them. what s your take on what she is doing. and the american electorate chose democrats, and an alternative to the republican party, and you know, think really when you re looking at arizona, there is frustration among the democratic party, it took years of operational organizing in order to get democrats to have a fighting chance in the not only the senate races but governor s races. they want to knock on doors in the summer when it is 115 years and suddenly kyrsten sinema was elected to the senate on this idea she
to hang on, but they re the sort of moves that would seriously hamper his control over the majority and thereby seriously hamper his ability to bring forward meaningful legislation that has any chance of making it through the senate, meaning if he wanted to find compromise, with the democrats, always an if in these times, he might not even have the power to do it. joining me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and nbc correspondent vaughn hillyard and washington bureau chief of usa today, susan page. garrett, let s start with the five that are holdouts. who are they? what are they saying? well, you mentioned matt gaetz, and andy biggs, two of the five, gaetz has been kind of the longest tenured member of the never kevin caucus, always a foil to the republican leader. biggs is the man up for the job or has put himself up for the job to be speaker if kevin mccarthy can t get the notes. less well known ralph norman, he
vacate, the vote is important to cobble together a majority to select a speaker but it is an example that americans think washington is so out of touch with the real concerns in their daily lives. you hear about that on the campaign trail. what do americans say to you, vaughn, about washington, and why there is so much frustration there? i think the general election here in 2022 showed us that a majority of americans are frustrated with how republicans have operated in washington, d.c., but on the flip side, there s also a great many republicans who i ve talked to over the course of the last many years and perhaps their voices were louder these last months that they want to see the likes of marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz cause chaos this. goes beyond the house freedom caucus that you and i used to have and garrett is covering on capitol hill. this is about putting your food in the sand, even if it means suspending the u.s. constitution and flouting federal law and taking doc