florida. or as i always caution you, there just could be other considerations we don t know anything about. i made that comparison to mueller. one contrast, though, is that probe ended in the hands of then-trump appointed attorney general bill barr, who was mueller s boss under the ruleless. well, today, that trump one-time defender made clear he s joining the chat, rebuking him for retaining the classified documents. this is not a case of the department of justice conducting a witch-hunt. they approached this carefully with deference to the president. this could have gone nowhere if he returned the documents. but he jerked them around for a year and a half. the question is, did he deceive them? if it goes to that, it says more about trump than the department of justice. that s a diplomatic way of saying trump s in the wrong and you can t use the mistakes trump
at the center of both probes has talked. the second grand jury, which came to a surprise to a lot of people, it s worth noting jack smith has the to bring a case in anywhere appropriate, and as david said, may well be appropriate in the southern district of florida because the post retention action seemed to have happened at mar-a-lago. this could be specifically about individual employees, perhaps, who assisted in retaining the documents, shielding the documents from federal oversight, but being turned over back to the national archives. it might be a very particular set of concerns that are prompting the use of this second grand jury in florida. so, again, this may be part of the same question, but just simply two different venues that are appropriate here, one in d.c. and one in the southern district of florida. with regard to mark meadows, it s i think the million dollar question to what is he testifying before the grand
jury? he s obviously involved in two major investigations. one, the question of the election and the prospect of overturning a validly conducted election. and second, he was very much involved in orchestrating the transition of power and getting those documents that were supposed to go back to the national archives. he s very much in the room where it happened. it can shed a lot of light on president s mind set as well as the two issues, the document retention and election turning over. david made a lot of good points and as the prosecutorle experience. but on hamilton references it s 1-0 now. i m just reporting that. whether the score changes over the course of time, i can t say. what i also want to get you on professor, is reading from the times report, reading from the unusual lawyer voice note, the iphone sequence of the case.
lawyer ty cobb shredding trump so much the former president is threatening to sue him. i think this obstruction case is a tight case and yes, i do think he ll go to jail on it. i d be telling trump that he s dead. he needs to you know, he needs to see what he can work out. i know for a fact that will never happen. trump is not capable of being accountable. he believes he can win, and he will never, ever admit guilt. that s the view of someone who actually sat with him at one point in much more secretive conversations, but cob was facing off against the mueller probe, which did squikt a string of trump aides and started the case against michael cohen, which added to the evidence used to indict donald trump in new york. campaign chair paul manafort went down that way. it was the mueller probe that yielded the damning testimony
attorneys. this might have been evan cork ran s attempt at ensuring that his notion of the record and his account of how things went down was clearly identified and available if things really went south for him. and it seems like that s exactly what s happening. david, curious your view on that and the way this all relates to the heat. because like any defendant the president has a right to his council, a right to change up his counsel. but there has been, even for trump, if you want to grade on whatever that curve is we had tim on this program last week who left and basically said he left for reasons of objecting to boris epshteyn and others being involved in the way they were. epstein has his own alleged exposure in the jan 6th case. there seems to be tension here, and two lawyers have already gone in and testified. what do you see? with cork ran, that s a complete cya action. he wants to make sure he s