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good evening, i m abby philip in new york. tonight, the special counsel bets big on the supreme court. how big of a bet? well, every single check and balance on all presidents might be at stake. jack smith is wagering that the justices will side with him. he is wagering that the high court will see the wisdom in answering this question sooner rather than later, is donald trump immune from prosecution? now, the special counsel writes like he s running out of time, and in a way, he is. the normal appeals process would give no guarantee that the high court considers the immunity question before next november. now that is, i don t have to remind you, when america chooses its next president. how the court rules may reshape democracy as we know it. the justices have never said yes or no that a president can be criminally prosecuted for crimes they perpetrated while president, a ruling that the constitution does not offer a get out of jail free card would put trump in immediat ....
Don t have that determines by an appellate court or supreme court. do we get this done enabling the trial to go forward. i think it s certainly in danger. dave, charlie has been talking about the january the 6th case and the chances for that coming to trial and being resolved. can you give us some kind of crystal ball gaze forward where we re going to be on all of these legal cases november 5th, election day of 2024? do you think any of them will have will any of them have started, concluded, resulted in any kind of sentencing? what sort of stage do you think any of them will be at? katty, i think two of the criminal cases could go before the election. the stormy daniels hush money ....
Florida. or as i always caution you, there just could be other considerations we don t know anything about. i made that comparison to mueller. one contrast, though, is that probe ended in the hands of then-trump appointed attorney general bill barr, who was mueller s boss under the ruleless. well, today, that trump one-time defender made clear he s joining the chat, rebuking him for retaining the classified documents. this is not a case of the department of justice conducting a witch-hunt. they approached this carefully with deference to the president. this could have gone nowhere if he returned the documents. but he jerked them around for a year and a half. the question is, did he deceive them? if it goes to that, it says more about trump than the department of justice. that s a diplomatic way of saying trump s in the wrong and you can t use the mistakes trump ....
At the center of both probes has talked. the second grand jury, which came to a surprise to a lot of people, it s worth noting jack smith has the to bring a case in anywhere appropriate, and as david said, may well be appropriate in the southern district of florida because the post retention action seemed to have happened at mar-a-lago. this could be specifically about individual employees, perhaps, who assisted in retaining the documents, shielding the documents from federal oversight, but being turned over back to the national archives. it might be a very particular set of concerns that are prompting the use of this second grand jury in florida. so, again, this may be part of the same question, but just simply two different venues that are appropriate here, one in d.c. and one in the southern district of florida. with regard to mark meadows, it s i think the million dollar question to what is he testifying before the grand ....
Jury? he s obviously involved in two major investigations. one, the question of the election and the prospect of overturning a validly conducted election. and second, he was very much involved in orchestrating the transition of power and getting those documents that were supposed to go back to the national archives. he s very much in the room where it happened. it can shed a lot of light on president s mind set as well as the two issues, the document retention and election turning over. david made a lot of good points and as the prosecutorle experience. but on hamilton references it s 1-0 now. i m just reporting that. whether the score changes over the course of time, i can t say. what i also want to get you on professor, is reading from the times report, reading from the unusual lawyer voice note, the iphone sequence of the case. ....