You are looking for an off ramp and that s why the statement by zelenskyy today that ukraine would no longer seek nato membership, at least put that on hold, is one step towards that kind of diplomatic solution. you ve got to find a solution that gives putin some of what he wants and ukraine some of what they want. john: see if there is any movement on this. joe, great to see you again. thank you, john. john: there is the nightmare scenario, sandra, hope it does not come to that. sandra: indeed, and to that point, larry kudlow said no longer seeking nato membership on the part of volodymyr zelenskyy is moving markets. you can see the big board by the way, up 169 points, a wild ride on wall street so far. a high of 585 points to the up side and down 238 points. remarkable. and if the fighting intensifies in ukraine, the global red cross network is helping families ....