joining us now the 19th editor at large erin hayes and phil rucker. phil, how could these latest subpoenas help advance the investigation, if and it s a big if, they can get the witnesses in front of the committee? you re right it is a big if but these subpoenas bring you closer and closer to the trump family and the kind of conversations that then president trump was having with his oldest son, don jr., and other members of the family who were with him the morning of january 6th and, of course, at that rally with him. don jr. was also, according to previous testimony, working through mark meadows. was he also having other conversations with his father? some people infer that he was only dealing with the chief of staff. well, he was dealing with the chief of staff after the rioting began, but the entire morning he was dealing directly with his father. he was in the oval office with his father then.