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ing good morning, organizers say a million people will visit the iowa state fair, but it's just one person who managed to steal the show this weekend. we were with billionaire and gop front-runner donald trump every step of the way. trump, front and center, from the start. >> you're going to love me in terms of immigration and illegal immigration. we're building a wall -- it's going to be a wall that -- nobody's going through my wall, when trump builds wall i build walls. i don't think i have made mistakes. you want to know what things i'm going to differently for this country? almost everything. everything we do is wrong. the military, we're not taking care of the military. not taking care of our veterans. we're not taking care of our country. we're not taking care of our finances and our trade deals. we don't have victories. >> this morning, so many new questions about 2016, can donald trump keep up this momentum? how will his opponents step out of his shadow? we'll ask two top contenders shortly? what does this mean for a race unlike anything we have seen before? even before his help koller the landed donald trump was the star attraction at the iowa state fair this weekend. forget the livestock it was trump, trump, trump. when the billionaire candidate finally descended from the sky, we joined a few lucky kids for a ride better than any roller coaster. this is pretty exciting? >> yeah. >> it's very trumplike. >> it's me. i am who i am. it's good for the kids. the kids love it. >> four years ago, here, the people at the bottom of the polls didn't do so well. >> who was here? >> you had michele bachmann. and rick santorum. >> but they're not me. they're not me. i have had a lot of fun. i have never run for office before. i love what's happening. >> reporter: his brashness, outspokenness, clearly the draw here. >> will president donald trump be the same as candidate trump with foreign leaders sf. >> i think even better. because foreign leaders, i have had great relationships over the years. you can see that. i have great relationships with people over the years. even better. i'm doing well, i'm leading in all the polls. i'm leading in iowa. make america great again. make america great again. >> reporter: while in the coming months, he promises details about how he'll solve america's problems, he had few specifics this weekend. let me ask you a serious foreign policy question, what would you do about isis? >> you can't allow it to happen. >> reporter: what do you do? >> send in ground troops? >> send that again. >> what trump wanted to talk about was hillary. they're saying hillary didn't draw this kind of crowd. >> not even close. >> reporter: after a few pork chops i caught up with trump again to ask about any female opponent -- what do you think about carly fiorina? >> very nice woman. she got fired. she did a terrible job at hewlett parkard overshadowed by trump jucker naught, it was hard for other republicans to be heard, senator rick santorum who won iowa four years ago, thought a direct comparison was the best. >> someone flying around in a hold keelicopte helicopter. who do you want to be president? what you saw or the guy at the grill. >> reporter: the democrat candidate candidates drew large crowds as well. didn't speak at the event's famous soapbox. her challenger, senator bernie sanders did no helicopters for you today? >> i left at home in the garage. >> reporter: do you think i want bernie sanders or i don't want hillary clinton? >> no. i think people are responding to our message, there is a deep frustration, which sometimes, inside the beltway, pundits don't see. there's a deep frustration with establishment politics and economics. they want the government to represent ordinary people. >> reporter: for decades the state fair has been a must-do for presidential wanna bees and it has a history of tripping them up. radio iowa's oo kay henderson. >> you want to be careful what you eat, careful about the fashion. >> reporter: in 2011, mitt romney's famous -- would come back to haunt him. today, candidates know too well the power of the fair. >> i'll try not to do anything that will end my political aspirations at the soap box. >> reporter: trump is the clear front-runner here in eye way, but another political outsider surged into second place after the first debate. dr. ben carson joins us now. great to see you, dr. carson. you're running second to trump in the latest poll here in iowa. neither of you have held elected office, what do you bring to iowa voters that he does not? >> well, you know, we have all had different life experiences, my life experiences have included a lot of very, very complex situations that people have been trying to solve for a long time that we were able to solve. and it wasn't necessarily because i was the smartest person that ever existed it was because of being able to use the talent pool that existed around me. i think that's a very important factor. and everybody's different. and you know the nice thing about this process that we have, people will have an opportunity to see what really works for them. >> i think you would probably say he solved some complex problems as well, certainly not in surgery. let me ask you about a tweet from donald trump last november. he wrote, sadly because president obama has done such a poor job as president you won't see another black president for generations! your reaction to that? >> i have heard a lot of people say things like that, that would tend to indicate for them, the color of one's skin was more important than the content of one's character. i don't believe that's true. you know as i travel around the country, north south, east, west, humongous crowds, very enthusiastic. i don't get any indication that color means that much to them. >> you made some controversial comments this week about planned parenthood. one of the reasons you find most of their clinics in a black neighborhoods is so that you can find a way to control that population. do you think planned. parenthood is targeting african communities to control population? >> you have to go back to planned parenthood, she believed that certain people were like weeds that needed to be controlled. >> but we're talking today, planned parenthood estimates fewer than 5% of its health centers are located in areas one-third where the population is african-american. >> i believe we could find data quite contrary to that. i have seen some of their maps. >> you don't believe that data -- >> well, here's what's important. margaret singer believed that certain people including blacks, wsh inferior and that the way you strengthen the society is you get rid of them. >> i'm confused about your stance on abortion, do you believe there should be an exception for incest and rain if? >> once it's been achieved it's a human life. i have spent my entire career -- >> you believe life believes at con sengs -- >> i do believe that. >> when the heart beat sta started -- >> no, what i believe is life starts at conception. i said there are a lot of people who think that it's at the heart beat and i think most people can come to the conclusion that once you have a heart beat, that you clearly have a living organism. >> so, no exceptions to rape and ince incest? >> what i have said, i have spent my life trying to save life not destroy it. you also made some comments about the fight against isis this week, you would use every resource we have to take the land from them, take the oil from them, how do you do that? do you seasoned in ground troops? >> coalitions and enthusiasm generally tends to follow success, if you don't provide leadership, you're never going to get the people over there to join you. which is what we have thinking, somehow u they're going to form a coalition, they're going to provide the ground troops. we may have to initially do some things ourselves, but i believe that we will have -- >> what kind of things, ground troops or no ground troops? >> ground troops may well be necessary. >> i don't pretend to be able to know the name without a lot of information and that's one of the reasons that we have generals and people who really are able to figure out what needs to be done. >> okay, thanks very much. dr. carson for joining us. have fun here today. >> thank you. turning now to the only woman in the republican field, who is catching fire here in iowa after her strong performance in the undercard debate last week, earlier, you heard donald trump calling her a nice lady. but he had some harsher words for her on friday. watch. >> carly was a little nasty to me. be careful, carly. be careful. i can't say anything to her because she's a woman and i don't want to be accused of being tough on women. >> and carly fiorina is here with me. what is your reaction to that? >> oh, honestly, you know, i find it sort amusing. i don't spend at will of time thinking about or focusing on what donald trump is saying. when his insults are below the belt to someone then i will make a comment just as i did when president obama called anyone who disagreed with his iranian deal equivalent to hard-liners chanting death to america. i think insults aren't helpful to the political process. we got a lot of serious issues here. most of the time i spend my time answering voters' questions. >> do you think donald trump will alienate female voters? >> it's not clear to me that donald trump is a republican, his willingness to run a third-party bid. but i think it's really important as i go out there and talk, what i hear, what i see, are both men and women who are sick of a professional political class. they're sick of the festering problems in the washington, d.c. they agree that we can't get basic things done like serve our veterans and hold government accountable for being competent. >> i want to turn to hillary clinton, you said she couldn't play the gender card in this race, but do you believe that you bring anything to this race as a woman that your male counterparts do not? >> you know, i'm not running because i'm a woman, i'm running because i believe our nation is at a pivotal time and i think i have a unique experience that in understanding the economy, understanding the players on the world stage, honestly better than anyone else running probably, understanding big bur crack cracksies. the fact is i'm a woman, half this nation are women, 54% of voters are women. and ultimately i think our commander in chief the president of the united states has to represent all americans, men and women. i'm a conservative, not a progressive like hillary clinton because i know that our policies work better to lift women and men up. regardless of their circumstances. >> and i want your reaction to hillary clinton turning over her server, her e-mail server, and reports of classified e-mails on that server. >> you know, in the debate last week, i made the statement that hillary clinton has lied. she's lied about benghazi, she's lied about her server and she's lied about her e-mails. some this the media found that language harsh. the more this story goes on the more it becomes clear that she has lied and it's clear that this server was parked in some i.t. firm in new jersey getting cleaned, boy, that raise all kinds of issues and it's almost hard to believe, it's strange credit nullity. now, we're finding out she did as usual. cover-up is worse than the crime. >> you also made comments last month on fox that hillary has blood on her hands when it comes to benghazi, are you saying she was responsible -- somehow responsible for the death of those americans? >> what i'm saying is, the night that benghazi attack happened, secretary of state clinton, president obama and others knew that this was a purposeful, preplanned terrorist attack, nevertheless, the next morning, she addressed the american people from the state department and talked about a video and how it didn't represent the values of the american people and several days later, she stood over the bodies of the fallen and said the same. what she should have said that morning the truth. this is purposeful terrorist attack and we will secretory bugs, instead, she basically apologized. so what signal did that send? what signal did that send to all the bad guys all over the world? the signal it said, open season, we can attack embassy, murder four americans and nothing is going to happen. >> what would you have done differently in libya, would you have carried out air strikes? >> it's interesting. i find the foreign policy of secretary of state clinton and president obama entirely inconsistent. at the time, when bombing raise were conducted over libya, the rational was to prevent bloodshed and horror. you know, we had to step in to save people's lives, that's a good rational as far as it goes. we have done nothing in syria, we really are sitting by when we could be leading a coalition of arab allies to defeat isis. i disagree we're at the point where we need to put tens of thousands boots on the ground. what i believe, we need to provide king abd -- >> you think he could do that without u.s. ground troops? >> i think the jordanians, the kurds are all fighting isis on the ground. yes, they need leadership, resolve, support and material from us. we haven't provided any of us. if we did, it would make a big difference. >> do you think you'll be on the debate stage next month? >> well, i certainly hope so, i think we have gathered a lot of good momentum. the happy hour debate, by the way, when i went into that debate, less than 40% of republican voters ever heard my name. i'm not a professional politician, i'm not a celebrity. our support continues to grow. i'm looking forward to being at the fair tomorrow, on the soap box tomorrow. >> okay, thanks so much, ms. fiorina. next, matthew dowd and donna brazile are standing by for full analysis of where this race stands. the donald is dominant, how long will that last? they'll break it all down. and brand-new details in that hillary clinton e-mail firestorm, what she's saying now. plus, will joe biden really jump in to the 2016 race? >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by md anderson cancer center. matt's gotten used to the funk in his man-cave. yup, he's gone noseblind. he thinks it smells fine, but his wife smells this... luckily for all your hard-to-wash fabrics there's febreze fabric refresher febreze doesn't just mask, it eliminates odors you've gone noseblind to break out the febreze, and breathe happy next, the secret to trump's success, why some voters can't get enough of him here in iowa. so you're a small business expert from at&t? 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>> number one he's not a politician. >> i think his willingness to speak out and speak his mind. i think that's very important. >> he won't bah back down. >> i think he'll be an excellent president. i think he'll bring jobs back. >> what would worry you? >> his words, maybe. >> when you say his words, so he pops off and says something? >> he's not a politician, he's not used having to practice what to say, he speaks his mind like a lot of people do. not like a politician would. >> any of the things that have been said about him in the last few weeks cause you concern that, the name-calling, sort of the bullying that people have said about him? >> we're so used to hearing that, it's a broken record, it doesn't bother me one iota. i don't think he's getting a fair rap. >> i agree with what he said. i think megyn kelly treated hhim bad. >> something that has to do with a specific list of issues. >> it's for me as well. i don't see that political thing that we have been seeing this past many years. just a gut feeling i have for him. >> this is a long race, do you think he has the capacity to do the distance. >> i think he can. >> i think he can. >> he's ready. >> and matt joins us now and matt i saw the same thing over the weekend, what is it about trump, why is he have such staying power? 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(rick) louis, i think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. hillary clinton enjoying some of the famous fried food here at the iowa state fair yesterday. but she couldn't escape a grilling from reporters about her private e-mail server and that fbi investigation. the democratic front-runner is pushing back hard, arguing the controversy is just partisan politics. abc's jon karl has the latest. >> reporter: out in iowa this weekend, hillary clinton joked about the thousands of e-mails she deleted from her time as secretary of state. >> i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> reporter: but her infamous private server is now in the hands of the fbi, which is intensifying its investigation into the handling of classified information in her e-mails. according to sources familiar with the investigation, it's already been determined at least two of the e-mails included information that's top secret from signals intelligence, among the most sensitive intelligence there is. investigators are also trying to determine if the chinese or russians were able to get access to clinton's private e-mails. >> anyone who works around this level of classified information knows the sensitivitsensitivity. >> reporter: in the most intriguing new development, platte river networks told abc news it's highly likely that a full backup of the server was made. those thousands of e-mails she deleted may still exist. the company says it's cooperating with the fbi. >> i think that, you know, this is the usual partisanization of anything that goes on. and i have been at this for a really long time. >> reporter: republicans say it's much more than that. >> she should come clean and deal with this. this is an issue. >> reporter: hillary clinton's troubles may be creating an opening for democratic challenger bernie sanders is already surging and joe biden spent last week weighing his options. hillary clinton is on martha's vineyard where she saw president obama at a birthday party for a mutual friend. as one top official told me, it would be awkward if biden decides to run and the president has to remain neutral in a race that pits his former secretary of state against his vice president. martha. >> thanks, jon trey gowdy is the chairman of the select committee investigating the attack on the consulate in benghazi. he joins us now. chairman gowdy give us your reaction to hillary clinton turning over her e-mail server. >> it's about time. we asked to do that in march to an independent detached third party. a retired judge or the inspec r inspector. it should have happened in march, for two reasons, classified information perspective or issue and the second reason to do it is to ensure the public record is complete. >> from what you have heard, do you believe hillary clinton broke the law? well, i would have no idea. that was my former job and i wasn't very good at it then. it was a very unusual e-mail arrangement she had with herself. most of the explanations why she has given have proven to be false. her decision to handle her e-mail in this way has delayed our ability to do our job with respect to benghazi and it remains to be seen whether or not she placed national security information at risk. >> mr. chairman, secretary of state clinton signed a statement over the weekend, declaring under penalty of perjure, she has turned over to the government all of the e-mails that were federal records. >> well, i read that statement and if you read that statement, you know why people hate lawyers as much as they do. i don't read the statement that way and i can't read the statement that way because i know that to be false. remember those 15 e-mails that sidney blumenthal that she didn't turn over to the state department. we know for a fact that she did not turn all over records all documents to the state department. how she can represent that to a federal judge under oath is something that that judge will ask her. >> you obviously think she's lying? >> i don't use the word lie, i used the word false. i can just tell you, that we found 15 documents that should have been produced to the state department that she did not produce to the state department. that's one of the five explanations she's given with respect to her e-mail arrangement that has also proven to be false. whether she's terribly mistake an lot, i'm not smart enough to answer that question. i can just tell you this, she's wrong. >> thank you, chairman gowdy. we turn to senator mccaskill, a clinton supporter. i would like your reaction to what mr. gowdy said. >> she's the only one that has turned over tens upon thousands of her e-mails and asked them to become public. now, she's turned over her server, what has this turned into? a good old-fashioned political witch hunt. >> senator mccaskill, it's illegal to have classified information, especially top secret, outside a secured facility, correct? >> she did not do that. that information at the time it was sent or received was not classified. so, it may have been classify later. but secretary clinton yut lieszed hard copies for reviewing top secret information. >> secretary clinton's people are very careful to say it was not marked classified but jon karl reported that at least two e-mails were top secret, our experts are saying, when you deal with top-secret material, you know it's top secret. >> well, i would differ with that. because i in one instance, it was a discussion of a drone, all information had been published in a public newspaper. so, i think that there is -- >> but should the secretary of state know what classified material is classified -- >> the point is, martha, she has been so forthcoming, they have the spire server. no one that i know of has figured out what motive hillary clinton would have to in any way make our country vulnerable. so, i really think, if you look at this committee, if you look at all of the accusations, this has become just a partisan -- this is called "get hillary clinton" committee. that's what this committee is about. >> i want to talk about general petraeus, he pleaded guilty for mishandling information, classified information, and those were largely handwritten notes, not marked classified and yet those e-mails were on a server where others could hack into that, different from david petraeus, more serious if you think about it. >> well, obviously the server has been turned over, all of this information will be gone through, i think at the end of the day, we're going to determine what we know right now -- that this is just a lot of political partisan smoke. that secretary clinton behaved the way she should as secretary of state. >> how much do you think this hurts her going forward? >> i think the american people get what this is, i think they know that she has a record of being a fighter, she's going to fight through this primary, she's going on win this nomination, this is a woman with decades of a records as a champion for the middle class in the country. when people make up their mind next november, it will be about which policies and which candidate shows strength and stability, i think she's going to be in great shape. >> and, senator, i want to turn to your new book lately, you detail several instances -- >> i think we are beginning, i hope, to reach an era where we see more and more women candidates for the top office in our country. certainly i have seen progress in the years i have been doing it. but as the book tells, it's been amazing roller coaster and an incredible sex yist behavior wh i was very young in these jobs. it's better. certainly better as a united states senate. so, obviously, we still have a lot more work to do. >> we certainly do. we thank you, senator mccaskill, much more from the iowa state fair coming up. of will donald trump surge last? the roundtable covers every angle after this. back now at the iowa state fair, each year more than a million people flock here for the food, farm animals and good, old-fashioned fun and every four years, there's an added attraction a chance to meet the field of candidates running for president. i'm joined now by iowa governor who knows these fairgrounds better than most and what do you make of what's happening this year? quite a weekend with donald trump and his helicopter? >> yeah, i saw it circling the fair here yesterday. virtually every candidate for president, i think there are 22 candidates in both parties t 1 of the 22 are going to be here at the state fair. it's a great place to meet iowans. we have people from all 99 counties. it's great chance to sao the talented young people. we just had the state fair queen was crowned last night. >> lots of golf carts going by. you said in june that donald trump won't be the nominee, are you still convinced? >> yeah, i think at and the of the day, i think a lot of people are intrigued by his frankness and his willingness to say about anything. but at the end of the day, i think iowans are going to choose somebody they feel is the strongest candidate. now, at this point, he looks pretty strong, but he also has a fair amount of negatives. i think voters are going to have an opportunity to evaluate all of the candidates. if you think four years ago, the lead changed hands my times before. i suspect that will happen this time. iowans tend to reward people who go to all 99 counties. it remains to be seen who's going to be most effective in getting that done. >> but donald trump is flying around in that helicopter, they didn't seem to mind that here. >> first of all, he was giving free rides to iowa kids. it was a noeftty. we see a lot of different things here. but obviously seeing a helicopter with trump's name on it and obviously it was mobbed here at the fair. >> yes, he was. >> i was here with bush. >> we'll wait and see. >> on friday. walker will be here on monday. >> everybody comes to iowa. thank you very much. >> oh, you're welcome. thank you. okay, we spoke with governor branstad just a few moments ago and i'm here now with the ronaldtable, democratic strategist donna brazile, hugh hewitt and matthew dowd. i want to go back to donald trump. i'm thinking about what o. kay henderson told me about the three fs, fashion, food and faux pas. >> you could add another "f". fun. to me, donald trump right now is like the rock star that comes to town, he's getting a lot of play, people want to be around him. he's actually -- you look at all the polls he's doing well nationally and in iowa. one of the questions you asked, how long can this last? can it last all the next 170 days? right now his level of support is fairly stable. he can win iowa and win a serious amount of states. >> the trump leading higher in iowa by about 22%. then it falls off pretty sharply after that. look at bush down there at 5%. but 66%, this is an amazing figure of likely caucus voters, they're stim trying to decide. >> absolutely, this is the part of the season where voters are basically sharping for someone that speaks for them, someone they believe he fight for them, talk to them, come into their living rooms, go to their town hall meetings. you know, ensure there are more new people coming to the caucus on a cold winter night, he could be the next nominee. >> and hugh, do you think he go all the way? >> he's having fun. he's having more fun than other candidate. i think there's poll of weariness that gets hillary clinton. it gets the people who have been around for a while. trump is new. as is ben carson, marco rubio, scott walker. these are new people. carly fiorina is a new face. they got energy. when donald trump talked to me on the radio show he talked to me about having energy. i opened my radio show with him every day, people will listen to him every day because he has so much energy. >> have establishment republicans lost control? >> i think it's been a series over time, the republican establishment has been less and less control over the process. if there's somebody else that emerges to take on donald trump it's going to be someone on their own having to emerge. something that's driving jeb bush's numbers down and donald trump's numbers up is a sense of energy, sense of strength. you may disagree with him but you may be like, wow, i can get onboard. jeb bush has a problem, he was the establishment candidate. >> donna, what do do you think donald trump does to this campaign? do you have to change the way you campaign? jeb bush is having some second thoughts, i assume. >> i wouldn't change. if i was one of the establishment candidates or one of also-ran, i would go to the 900 counties. if you can get them to go to caucus on a wintry night, you can change history in just a matter of minutes. >> let's talk about the democrats for a minute, how much do you think this e-mail server hurts hillary clinton and these classified e-mail and she has 1,036 precinct caps, one-third of the colony chairs with her, she's organized in this state as if that matters next year. this e-mail stuff is a huge distraction. most of it is a lot -- she has 17 republican candidates. she has four democratic challengers. yes, it's a perception problem. the committee that trey gowdy is overseeing, they spent more than $4 million trying to tear down hillary clinton's character. i think she'll come out of this okay. but it's going to be long battle. >> it's more than a problem it's an indictment. it led to the indieltment of james misleading classified information. it's a very serious matter. she doesn't have any explanation of her erases 31,000 e-mails. that's an -- >> does do the democrats need a plan b, look you have joe biden, right now, deciding whether he'll get into the race. >> first of all, this is not a criminal indictment and she did nothing wrong. some of the e-mails that have been released should have been classified. >> let's get into joe biden. >> the hillary folks know that this is ra problem, by the tenure by which they're responding to this. bernie sanders, right now s rising faster than anybody else. she's dropping. now a conversation about joe biden. they is a problem. they go into the general election with a wounded warrior which is big problem. >> she says don't panic. her supporters say don't panic. >> i would advise as a former campaign manager, i would advise them not to panic as well. there are people that -- there always be people who panic in politics. joe biden is going to make a decision some time at the end of the summer, he promised that this is a very difficult decision, because it's coming at very tough time. >> we have about 30 seconds left. hugh, quick comment from you about biden in. >> i think he does. he's a terrific politician. >> donna, back to you, we lost civil rights activist, julian bond last night at age 75. final thoughts. >> tragic. the former chair of the naacp. probably did more than any other civil rights activist. he was the leader inside the naacp that fought for marriage equality. fought for so many in the field of civil rights. >> a great man. >> we'll truly be missed by all of us. thanks everyone. next the story behind the legendary tv debate that transformed political news come to sesame place before little kids become big kids. and celebrate our 35th birthday with our new neighborhood birthday party parade. buy your 2016 pass now and get the rest of 2015 free. sesame place. ♪ go before they grow. in our sunday spotlight, as things heat up here in iowa, a new documentary that reminds us just how contentious a presidential race can be, even for the analysts covering it. here's abc's david wright on the best of enemies. >> reporter: 1968. chicago. the democratic national convention. the vietnam war at its height. analyzing the day's events for abc news, two of the most celebrated intellectuals of the era, on the right, william f. buckley jr. on the right, gore vidal. best of enemies the new documentary looks back at this ivy league slugfest. the other networks were running gavel to gavel coverage inside the convention hall. abc couldn't afford to in 1968. >> they needed to make money by running their shows like bewitched and batman and the flying nun, instead. >> reporter: we spoke with the filmmakers it's strange to watch these two guys, both of them speaking like thurston howell iii. >> it's another era. having two lek chuls like this who were so good on tv. >> if you did it today, you would have, you know, you could also do it on mute. >> reporter: the real fireworks came the night the night chicago police cracked down on the anti-war protesters. he insults vi s buckley. buckley erupts. by outi ining vidal on televisi >> they hated each other, didn't they? >> it was not a frenemy relationship. that hate didn't end when that red light turned off. >> i think they were not fighting about 1968 they were fighting for the sole of the republic. >> reporter: in a sense both were right in a sense the conservative revolution came to past. and the social relationship came to pass. this past year, we have had caitlin genera jenner and -- >> he was so visionary in his ideas. >> makes it all more fun to watch these two lions have at it. the best of enemies, in theaters now, seen first right here on abc. for "this week," david wright, abc news, new york. >> our thanks to david. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and we'll see you back here next week. so long from des moines, iowa. >> this week, we heard from pennsylvania attorney general kathleen kane about the charges against her and, well, it just gets curiouser and curiouser. let's get the inside story. good morning. i'm tamala edwards. thank you for joining us. let's introduce you to the panel. first up, attorney jim eisenhower. good morning. >> good morning, tam. >> foreign-policy analyst ed turzanski. public affairs strategist doug oliver. >> good morning. >> and g.o.p. state official renee amoore. >> good morning. >> so, the charges have been lodged against kathleen kane, and we finally heard from her this week. let's take a look at one of the big statements that she had to make about where things stand. >> my defense will not be that i'm the victim of an all-boys network or otherwise. my defense will be that i broke no laws of this commonwealth. period. >> "i am not a v

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