an african-american decision that was made with regard -- there was only 59% of the vote came out of there. the entire election was only 27% of the vote. so the northwest, which was african-american mainly, won that election. >> all right, nelson, you're back with us on "inside story," and welcome back. >> thank you for having me back. >> well, it was our pleasure. the papal visit -- let's talk about that. it's gonna semi-paralyze center city philadelphia and beyond. mayor nutter announced two traffic boxes that will only allow outgoing traffic the day before pope francis arrives on september 26th, plus they're closing the vine street expressway and parts of the schuylkill expressway and route 1 and the ben franklin bridge. does anyone here at this table believe that this is way too far? >> i do. you know, this is being imposed by the secret service on the city, and i understand concerns -- this is one of the most famous, beloved, but also controversial figures in the world. >> we don't do this for president obama to come to town, though. >> no, no, we didn't, and we also didn't do it when john paul ii came in 1979. i walked there. i was on the parkway -- i was at logan circle. >> let me disagree. first time here, let me disagree with christina already. >> oh, that's a change. >> welcome back, nelson. >> i know what's happening in the secret service process, and they don't disclose anything till the end. >> sure. >> i think it's been blown up more by the local officials. it doesn't happen in new york, it doesn't happen in washington, dc, and if you remember, in as far when i was -- 1976, frank rizzo did the same thing. he scared the people so much about what was going on that very few people came down. >> i don't remember the gridlock and the paralyzing in 1979. >> we're in a different world than we were in 1979. we face the specter of international terrorism, and philadelphia has to get this right. if we're gonna be a world-class city -- we're stepping onto an international stage -- you have to get this right. better safe than sorry. i worry that the hype is gonna scare some folks away. we've seen, actually, a drop in some of the hotels in the last few weeks, in the hotel reservations. >> septa. >> and the septa issue, but we've got to get this right, and better safe than sorry. >> it's true and -- >> but i agree we have to get it right, but the question is, what's being imposed on new york, and what's being imposed on washington? same guy going to two other major cities. >> we are having the world meeting of families over here. >> i understand, but they're not doing this for the world meeting of families -- the world meeting of families is here before the pope gets here. >> then he's staying for a shorter period of time. >> he's there for one day, but he's the same guy, subject to the same risk, and so the question is, what are they requiring them to do in washington and new york and how much are we adding on here? i agree. look, this is the most well-known guy in the world. popular or unpopular, he's the best-known guy in the world. we don't want anything to happen. i think what is going to happen is that it likely might not have as much of the economic generator that we want it to have, because of the difficulties. >> the cab drivers are being upset. i understand maybe immobilizing the city, the immediate area -- the green zone, which is kind of wide -- but to close benjamin franklin -- to close the bridge, paralyze part of the schuylkill -- >> let me ask you this. i mean, we've brought up the issue of safety for the pope himself. is convenience a factor in the decision-making at all -- and i'm talking about the convenience for the people that are coming here that want to see the pope -- when you're closing down all these roads and bridges? >> i think what they're trying to do, essentially, is land-lock so that their security process, as they see it, it makes the family conference one that is very, very inconvenient for everyone else. but i have to -- you know, i know what the secret service does. they don't disclose what they're gonna do. and i know basically that many of them have taken over buildings and so forth and so on to be able to be at the right place where the pope is gonna be. they have not in any way suggested any of the closings that have occurred. that has been a local decision. >> but part of the challenge is the people who are inside the grid -- the people in the hotels inside the grid are okay 'cause they've got freedom of movement. the question is, what about the people staying in the hotels in the counties? how far are they gonna have to walk? >> this also has a ripple effect. >> once they close it off, how far are they gonna have to walk to get to meetings, to get to the convention center? you've heard the mayor say, "be prepared to walk miles." well, that's a disincentive. >> what about regular life? what about people -- i have court hearings that have been cancelled because courts are going to close because people aren't going to be -- i mean, this is a collateral -- you know, the impact, sure. it's very important to be cautious, but i do think that it's being blown out of proportion, and i think that the media is running with this ball, as well. >> let me tell you, economically, all of the businesses are gonna be closed. very few of the restaurants are gonna be able to serve. >> where's the impact? where's the great economic impact? >> and so it really hurts us quite a bit. >> let's talk about kathleen kane. she is now charged with a crime -- in fact, several. montgomery county district attorney risa vetri ferman, who was asked to conduct a probe of kathleen kane, issued five criminal counts against the state attorney general, including perjury and criminal conspiracy. this all stems from a leak of grand-jury information from a case in 2009. governor wolf came out immediately, the same day, called for kane to resign. now, kane, who, you remember, she was the woman, the political person in the democratic party -- has refused to resign. she says it would be like an admission of guilt. she continues to proclaim her innocence. val, what do you think about this? should she resign? and could she be forced to resign with an impeachment process? >> well, they could decide to impeach her. i think she should step down. the arrogance of staying on the job when you have this cloud hanging over your head -- you can't do your job properly. the fact of the matter is, she couldn't even do the job properly before this. i'll just give you one small example. [ laughter ] county d.a.'s have the option to refer cases to the attorney general when they're conflict or where there's a political issue. they've felt, a lot of them -- i've talked to several of them -- felt they couldn't do that over the last several months because they don't think her office is competent to handle these prosecutions. and that has a ripple effect, and there's other things that i could bring up like that. so she should've resigned already. i think she should be impeached. and of course she's innocent till proven guilty. i want to kudos, though, to risa ferman for really methodically handling the case the way it should've been handled -- not politically, letting the facts lead her to where they should. i think she's done a tremendous job. >> i want to pick up on what val said about judge risa vetri ferman, future judge risa vetri ferman. i think that she really -- she didn't allow people push her into a decision. i wrote several columns saying, you know, "risa, when are you going to make a decision?" and i think that she did it exactly the way that it should've been done. she looks like the adult in the room. and to also say something along the lines of what val was saying about the arrogance of kathleen kane -- yes, we are all lawyers at this table. you are innocent until proven guilty. that does not mean that you are able to do your job effectively if you have the cloud of an indictment hanging over your head. the people of pennsylvania deserve more than a woman who quite possibly may be convicted of obstruction of justice, perjury, false swearing. i do not see how she can effectively do her job while she is fighting these charges. >> it's hard to find anyone on her side right now, george. >> well, it's not about being on her side. i mean, president clinton did his job while he was under the aura of an impeachment. i don't think it's not that you cannot do your job when you're under the aura of an indictment. the problem is, she was not capable of doing her job possibly whether she's indicted or not. i mean, she is an example in politics where -- i'm a believer that voters get it right more often than they get it wrong. this is an instance where the voters decided to invest in a person who didn't have real political experience, who really didn't have managerial experience, and people saw a picture that didn't turn out to be the case. and i think that her inabilities to do the job are not related to the fact that she's subject to an indictment. >> i'm very compassionate about she's going through a lot of other issues, personal issues and otherwise, in her own life. so i'm very compassionate in terms of what's going on in terms of her life. and, you know, the courts will decide, and i don't think we have to wait for anything else, and let the courts decide whether she's guilty or not guilty. and she should just assign the office activities to others while she's there and make sure that that decision gets done. and if she gets convicted, she's gonna have to leave anyway. >> leaking grand-jury information is something that is not always prosecuted very often, and terry madonna, in his "politically uncorrected" column, asks this question. i'm just gonna throw it out here. if a male had held her office and did all the things that she did, would this male be in this much trouble? >> you know, [chuckles] this is playing into what kathleen kane, the kane strategy for months now -- the old boys' network. "i'm being attacked because of the old boys' network." well, it was a woman who indicted her. it was a woman who handed down an indictment against another woman. i do not think -- whether or not a male in a similar position would've been indicted, kathleen kane is not the victim of sexism and the old boys' network, and she's a victim, george, of her own incompetence. >> okay, let's talk about chaka fattah. he vows to fight on, but should replacements start lining up for him? the philadelphia congressman is facing an indictment in a federal racketeering case. he spoke to "action news" this week. vernon odom, let's listen to what he had to say. >> i will not equivocate, compromise, retreat one inch from the fact that i'm innocent. >> now, congressman fattah has hardly been in hiding. he's been at many events. he proclaims his innocence, says he's gonna run for another term, his 12th term. some publications like phillymag's citified are already making suggestions on who should replace congressman fattah if he is no longer in his position, and have mentioned darrell clarke, seth williams, vincent hughes, michael nutter, doug oliver, dwight evans. what do you think, george? >> well, let me first say congressman fattah is my friend and has been my friend and will be my friend as we go through this process. i don't think he's going to step aside, and i do think he's gonna run for reelection next year. you know, these allegations have been out there for a long time. in fact, they were out there when he ran the last time, and he got 85% of the vote the last time, and so it's not gonna be easy to take him out, even with this situation. it will not have been -- there will be no court process. there will still be allegations when he runs next year, and i think -- and i spend a lot of time. we play golf together. he is my friend, and so -- and he's very comfortable with challenging these allegations against him and believes he'll be acquitted. >> this process takes a long time, and so it'll be a year and a half before we really know what's going on, so that i think he feels it's important for him to really find all the facts, to be able to defend himself with all the facts, and then figure out whether or not he can make that decision. so there's no question that it's too early for a congressman to decide that, "i'm gonna walk away from that job," until he really understands. because there have been so many minorities who have been attacked by the federal government. it just seems like, for us, we get into the federal government, and we immediately -- >> are you suggesting that's a factor here? >> well, i can tell you, when i was in the clinton administration, every single minority secretary got investigated, and three got convicted. >> all due respect, [chuckles] the corruption of one-party rule in philadelphia is what brings us this time and time again. now, i grew up in south philly. i saw my state senator go to jail, i saw two councilmen represented us go to jail, i saw another state senator go to jail, a congressman, and on and on -- four state reps recently accused of bribery. chaka fattah was, we were told, a new kind of democrat -- he was thoughtful, he was independent, he was outside of the machine. and then we're finding out -- he's innocent till proven guilty -- but now we're finding out he's the same as all the rest of them, and until we do something about the one-party rule in philadelphia and the arrogance that it breeds, this is gonna happen over and over and over and over again. >> this is not about one-party rule. there is -- i always love to hear that. there is no one party in the city of philadelphia. the democrats in south philadelphia don't coordinate with the democrats in the northwest or in north philadel-- we don't all come together and decide what we're gonna do and protect ourselves as democrats. we fight for these seats like cats and dogs. there is no anointing, there is an independent political movement, and let's not suggest that there's not corruption outside the boundaries of the city of philadelphia and there's not corruption in the republican party outside the boundaries of the city. >> i'm not suggesting that either. >> certainly what it sounds like. and where that corruption exists outside of the city of philadelphia is in places where there's totally republican control. it is a product of individuals who decide whether they're gonna behave properly or behave improperly. >> and we keep electing the same type of people over and over again, all run by the machine in the city of philadelphia. you don't see that in chester county and montgomery county republican party. >> congressman fattah was not elected by the party. congressman fattah is a product of an independent political movement that started with bill gray back in the mid 1970s that ran -- >> the arrogance that is bred by knowing you cannot lose because you're part of that machine and you're part of the democratic party is what helps bring us this time and time again. >> help you with this. we're not the first -- illinois, new jersey, and then us. so we're competing with some other states in terms of corruption, so there is corruption throughout in terms of the political system. a lot of it is 'cause so much damn money in politics. when i ran, you had those independent organizations, one giving $8 million to one candidate and $3 million to another candidate, and, you know, they want something back. and so, to some extent, part of it is all of that money that's involved in politics, which essentially creates so much of the corruption. >> you know what? just let me say one thing with the indictment of congressman fattah. there have been attacks on the doj about this being a political indictment, just as there were attacks on the doj when they went after menendez because of criticism of the administration in cuba and iran and what have you. and i think that that, from that perspective, that's completely unfair because zane memeger is not a political animal. he has shown himself to be a very dedicated, very honest, very -- a man with a great deal of integrity. so, you know, leaving aside the guilt or innocence of congressman fattah, i do not think that this is a political crusade against him, against his son "chip." and i think that for anyone to try and turn this into "they're trying to get rid of chaka fattah" for any reason other than he is alleged to have committed crimes is outrageous. >> we have to go to a break. we'll be right back. ♪ >> "inside story" is presented by temple university. temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. plugged into the city, powered by the world. temple.edu/takecharge. ou're 50 to 85, here's a question for you: how many people have called about guaranteed acceptance life insurance through the colonial penn program? 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(soft music) ♪ (colonial penn jingle) ♪ >> welcome back to "inside story." let's talk about kathleen mcginty, who resigned as governor wolf's chief of staff last month. she's going to run for the u.s. senate. she'll likely face former congressman joe sestak in the democratic primary next year and, if she won, would face incumbent republican pat toomey in the fall of 2016. now, all of you remember her run for governor. she came in last place, but everyone was falling over themselves to comment about how great of a campaign she ran -- it was positive. would that kind of campaign beat toomey? >> well, i don't know that the question is whether it would beat toomey. i think the question is, can she beat sestak before she gets a chance to beat toomey? and i think there's no question about her capability, and there's no question she ran a positive campaign, but that positive campaign did not connect with voters. and that's the question, what is she going to -- what's she going to do differently that causes her to connect with democratic voters in a democratic primary against a guy who's not that well-liked himself, but is an experienced campaigner and has run for the united states senate before? >> i think people don't understand pennsylvania politics. we're here in philadelphia, but pennsylvania is a pretty conservative state. mcginty is -- >> you talking about the tea? >> [ chuckles ] >> [ laughs ] >> like this? >> that's right, that's right. >> western pennsylvania. >> pretty much the entire state. i mean, you leave -- you've heard the stories, "alabama in between," between the west and the east. >> "pennsyl-tucky." >> and so it's extremely conservative. sestak is a lot more conservative than mcginty, and i think george is absolutely right. sestak ran last time, didn't do that badly. he's been running for six years. it's very hard to catch up with someone who's been running for six years. >> plus, also, mcginty is -- she's liked by the establishment. the democrats are desperately looking for someone to go up against sestak. they don't like sestak. but sestak, even though he's not liked personally -- he has some personality problems -- he is liked by a large swathe of a -- there's a very strong, deep, maybe not wide, but deep bed of supporters for him. so i don't know whether or not she really can, you know, overcome his established ability to raise money. the other thing is, with mcginty, she was chief of staff for six months. i think it says something about her character that she would just leave that job. i mean, we always attacked sarah palin for leaving with 18 months left in her governorship. she would leave that job and, for, i think, very personal political reasons, go and throw her hat into the ring for senate. >> i know you guys want to get on that, but let me get val in here on this. >> that shows a desperation among washington democrats to try to find josh shapiro. he wouldn't do it. he had other plans. now they're going for... >> he might run for attorney general. >> might run for attorney general, right. ...katie mcginty, who came in fourth out of four and, by all accounts, has not done a great job as chief of staff and is now leaving her governor when he needs her most. i think she's a flawed candidate. i think george hit the nail on the head -- she's got to beat sestak. >> let me throw this in here. is her leaving having anything to do with how budget negotiations really haven't been going well with republicans and wolf saying, "listen, why don't you just run for the senate"? >> no, i don't think so because i saw the governor the day after she resigned. i happened to be in washington -- i mean in harrisburg -- for the swearing-in of one of the secretaries, and he was surprised that she was resigning. so it was not necessarily something that had anything to do with -- >> huffington post listed the most liberal governors in america -- a study that they conducted -- and tom wolf won most liberal. >> right. >> surprised? >> you know, i consider myself a liberal, so i don't what they're talking about. if you care about working people, if you care about the poor, if you care about education, if you care about making sure that you get equitable taxation so that you can support those things -- if that's liberal, that's me, and that's most of us. >> he's proposing a tax increase that's twice as large than all of the other states combined currently. he has shown that, despite the fact that he ran as a businessman and a new kind of democrat -- again, we hear that, they try to get away from their own branding, the left -- that he's now sticking to his guns and siding with the unions on liquor privatization and pension reform and giving us a 16% tax increase, taxing everything from childcare services to funeral services to textbooks that you buy when your kids go to college, dramatically expanding the size and scope of pennsylvania government. that's what a liberal governor does. >> spoken very effectively by a republican who's saying the republicans aren't talking about how you fund education. they got, what, $8 million of new money in their budget for education. >> $100 million for basic education in this budget. >> they got $8 million of new money that goes in it for education. $100 million doesn't get anywhere close to solving the statewide -- >> yeah, because of pensions. because of pensions. >> i didn't say anything when you said. but the governor shouldn't be making concessions on issues that the republicans care about if they're not making concessions. you got to meet somewhere in the middle if you're gonna be a compromise, and from my community, we love liberals because that's when change occurs, through the things that nelson's talking about. change occurs that make life better for people when you have people who want change, and what tom wolf was elected to do was change pennsylvania, which is, what, 49th in job creation. every characteristic by which you measure it, we're at the bottom of the barrel. >> you got the last word. we got to go. i know you guys can keep going. they are doing it in harrisburg right now. inside stories of the week after this. 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