reality headsets like these were one of the hottest gifts of the holiday season. >> you got to get it. it's amazing. >> i felt like i was actually there. >> but does vr really deserve all the hype? ahead on "sunday morning" tax reality check on virtual reality. >> pauley: ly daniels is a hollywood producer and director who came up the hard way. and who makes neither apologies nor excuses. mo rocca will have hour sunday profile. >> lee daniels doesn't shy away from controversial in his movies or television shows. >> i think that we have become so sanitized, we are to the point in america that we aren't able on prime time television to do what my hero, norman lear, was able to do. that was change the way people thought. >> producer, director, writer, ahead >> how sit going? >> i'm in hammock working. what's not to love? >> pauley: in this day and age could there really be such a thing as the curse of the lost city? a question for our lee cowan. >> honduran jungle can breed all manner of things. especially legends. street one about a lost ancient city. >> you looked around i saw the tops of dozens of stone sculptures just peaking above the ground. covered in moss everywhere. >> but the find came with a price that is still being paid today. a lost city found? later on "sunday morning." >> pauley: what better credential for a pop star than to have the stage name iggy pop. not that he always stays on the stage as anthony mason will show us. dive off a stage. and at 69 iggy pop still gets the urge. >> well, i gave it up here but not here. >> later on "sunday morning," punk legend iggy pop. >> >> pauley: tracy smith marks the passing of the artist behind "bambi." rita braver looks at the work to have great painters side by side. tony dokoupil introduces us to a 40-year-old horse who is still kickin'. and more. first, the headlines for this "sunday morning," the 8th of january, 2017. in jerusalem today a truck driver plowed into a group of israeli soldiers at least four were killed, 15 others injured. other soldiers killed the driv driver. isreal calls it a terror attack. investigators 'the iraq war veteran held for the shooting rampage at the fort lauderdale airport traveled there specifically to carry out the attack. esteban santiago is accused of killing five people and wounding eight others with a handgun he legally checked on a flight from alaska. the identities of two of the airport dead have now been confirmed. they are olga weltering of marietta, georgia and terry andrews of virginia beach, virginia. the office of government ethics says several of president-elect trump as cabinet choices have yet to complete a review to avoid conflicts of interests. senate republicans plan nine confirmation hear, this week. the nfl playoffs are underway in seattle yesterday, the seahawks tamed the detroit lyons 26-6. in second wild card game houston beat oakland 27-14. today on c on the miami dolphins. if sports aren't your thing hollywood's finest are on display at the golden globe awards tonight. and finally around here, january 8th is no ordinary day. it's charles osgood's birthday, happy birth day. now today's weather. heavy rain in the west chance of severe flooding from san francisco to seattle to nevada. snow from the sierras to the rockies. and arctic air will freeze the east. as for the week ahead, it's winter from compost to coast. with sleep number, there's an adjustment for that. just a swipe to realign your spine. does your bed do that? come into a sleep number store where the c2 mattress is now $699.99. it's a no brainer. >> pauley: good work. good work. all right. welcome to the mountains of washington state where i'm wearing a mask playing with a little dog. go get it. well, actually, i'm standing in front of a green screen in new york wearing that headset that puts me and by extension you in a virtual mountain reality. here is david pogue. >> at the consumer electronics show this mast week, you might have wondered w strapping these contraptions to their faces. what are they, blindfolds? scuba masks? some kind of unpleasant eye exam? nope. they're virtual reality headsets. >> there's nothing quite like doning the headset yourself and truly experiencing these environments. >> ryan hoopingarner spends much of his time demonstrating the htv vive. >> i'll have you put on your headset. >> you get it. that you're not just seeing a scene. you can look around inside it. >> wow! >> the vive requires laser sensors that you set up in your room, special handle, is that you carry as a result you can even walk around inside the scene. >> grab the slingshot. >> or handle objects in that virtual world. >> explosions. >> but vr entertainment can be more than just blowing stuff up. it can take you places you couldn't or wouldn't go. >> okay! that's a big whale. hi! >> or the top of mount everest. htv isn't alone, sony, samsung, google and facebook each released new vr headsets last year. and just this week another half dozen were unveiled at the electronics show. with so many different goggles coming out the software companies are racing to write software that will run on them like vrtify which aims to give you front row seat at concerts. all sorts of businesses are considering the possibilities. bradley stern went shopping for a newtown house without leaving his realtor's office. >> everything is so vivid. >> real estate agent evan rosenfeld thinks virtual reality could change the way people buy homes forever. >> we to be in five years? is the client going to be able to completely design their property before it's built? i think it's going to be something. >> virtual reality is actually been around for decades. >> is he asleep? >> we'll wake. i in st. louis a man swings at nothing. in north carolina lab, a man bends to look at nothing. have these people all lost touch with reality? in a way, yes. that is virtual reality. >> but vr was never good enough to appeal to the public until 2014. >> facebook is making another multi-billion dollar acquisition. >> that's when facebook's mark zuckerberg paid 2d billion to buy oculus a headset created by 17-year-old palmer luckey in his parents' garage. these days, silicon valley seems to believe that soon we'll all live our lives wearing vr goggles. never mind that they much as $800 and must be wired to a high end pc. but just because a new technology gets a lot of hype doesn't mean it's actually ready for prime time. >> first of all, there's a giant thing on your head which is just obnoxious. >> uscannenberg communications professor studies how people interact. >> pretty significant problems with motion sickness and nausea. that will drop down and go away over time. but right now we're in a bump where i have troublesome times. a lot of people do. >> so, they're big and heavy. very expensive. sometimes make you sick. great. but williams says there's an even bigger problem with vr. it's incredibly isolating. it shuts you off from the world. >> i don't think people are going to be wearing vr goggles much of their days because then they can't look at other people. it is just that simple. >> that's where augmented reality comes in. that's where you still see the computer layers new graphics on to that view. remember pokeémon go? last summer, millions of people played this game searching the real world for digital creatures that appeared only on the phone's screen. that is augmented reality. >> all right. so, can ahead put this on. >> the microsoft hololens is an augmented reality headset or what microsoft calls, mixed reality. >> well to come to windows holographic. these are off. there's nothing -- >> it's not off. there's picture of mountains on it. >> that's an actual hologram. >> alex kipman heads up the hololens project for microsoft. he compares today's hololens from cell phone from 1985. this early model is wireless, weighs only a pound and responds to hand and voice commands. >> go ahead just look at the browser, select it, drag it up and down. you're an expert. >> when you work then, wearing hololens, you're saying that you have multiple virtual floating monitors like this. you can say, here's my programming. >> exactly correct. imagine infinite monitors at your fingertips. >> it's still a long way from those floating screens in the tom cruise movie "minority report." but maybe not as far as you think. >> let's go ahead and get in. hello. there's a dude here. >> in ohio, case western reserve university medical school and the cleveland clinic have teamed up to create an anatomy curriculum. >> the internal thoracic arteries which are rising from the subclavian. >> the school plans to replace the traditional cadaver lab used for anatomy classes with clean, up right, heart still pumping, digital bodies, curt see of lo mark griswold led the team that designed the curriculum. >> what you're doing is what medical students did the first time they saw this, too. they got down on the ground and they looked at it from underneath because first time we were able to see that. >> that is crazy. you know, they always tell singer, sing from the diaphragm. you want your diaphragm flattened. i never knew what that meant. >> that's the die photograph. that is the muscle that helps us breathe. >> wow. >> it's really difficult to see in a cadaver. >> it was the diaphragm that blew me away. >> first year medical student nicole wise was surprised at how real the hologram seemed. >> i went south carolina 0% thinking it would be a fonda, thennivity was going to be gimmicky. i learned things that i hadn't appreciated either in the cadaver course or in our lectures. >> we envision a day when every student showing up on campus is going to have a hololens in their backpack. >> like high schools giving out laptops to use. >> this is going to be a core part of what you learn. whether it's history or anatomy, you're going to be learning on hololens. >> are you saying that this is radical enough to become something that everybody's got some day? >> absolutely. >> microsoft's alex kipman. >> there is a world in front much us where these things are replacing your phone. they're replacing your tvs. they're replacing your desktop. i mean, think about how long ago you didn't have pc cs in your offices. seems like forever ago. i do believe absolutely they replace it. when? that i don't know. it will be within our life tim times. >> i don't know about you, i'm really bad. >> i couldn't find anything to shoot. >> but for usc's dmitri williams, whether it's augmented reality or virtual reality this technology won't succeed until it becomes more interesting than, well,l >> imagine it's, you know, a year, two years from now everybody could easily throw on their goggles and do things. is it better than not wearing goggles? sit better than when we were just watching tv together, sit better than when we were playing a board game or having dinner or having a conversation, god forbid, right? ♪ >> up next, something to chew on. ♪ can you catch it on your tonsils ♪ ♪ does your chewing gum lose it's flavor on the bed post overnight ♪ >> pauley: now a page from our "sunday morning" almanac. january 8, 1998, 19 years ago today. the day bubble gum inventor walter diemer died at the age of 93. diemer was working in philadelphia for the fleer candy company in 1928 when he accidentally stumbled upon the winning formula. he made it pink, he said, because that was the one food color he happened to have on hand. accident or not, fleer's double bubble brand inflated rapidly from that small beginning. a 1950s promotional film proudly showed off fleer's production skills, as well as the bubble blowing prowess of its staff. by the 1970s, other companies had joined the bubble battle, including life savers. consumer testing bubble yum brand. >> you think it's better or the same? 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>> he basically created the look of the film. this is tyrus painting a mural. >> michael labrie, director of collections at the walt disney family museum curated an exhibition in 2013. >> everything you see on the screen. the other artists were trained to draw like tyrus for that film. >> bambi! >> wong was working a tedious 1938 when he heard about the studio's plan to adapt felix salten's book into a movie. >> he spent weekends doing hundreds and hundreds of drawings. sort of like chinese scroll paintings. >> walt disney himself decided that the look. film would be based on tyrus wong's drawings. >> this is a real special piece of the prince in the forest where he flamed what the piece was supposed to say and the story. >> the 74-year-old film is beloved by generations including los angeles filmmaker, pamela tom. >> tyrus really contributed to the culture. >> she was watching bambi with her daughter back in 1997 when she happened to catch tyrus wong's name in the credits. >> my first thought was, wait a minute, cheney-american working at disney in the 1930s. i just had to find out who he was. >> w a documentary illustrating why tyrus wong was, as she calls him, the perfect leading man with an epic life story. it's set to air on pbs's american masters this summer. >> my father, i got came to america -- >> wong came to the u.s. with only his father in 1920. >> did you get into a little bit of mischief? >> oh, yeah. yeah. i'm no angel, you know. >> no age smell. >> no. >> when wong was in junior high, one of his teachers noticed he was more interested in art than arithmetic so did tyrus' dad. he understood the value of your artistic talent. but it was unusual, for an immigrant, a chinese immigrant to choose art. >> the chinese in chinatown didn't think very much. >> you have to remember thahe employment opportunities for chinese back then was limited to being a waiter, working in laundry. but the father in his wisdom recognized his son's talents and went out and borrowed money to get tyrus through his first year of art school. >> after graduation, from otis art institute in los angeles, wong found work as an artist. also worked at a restaurant in chinatown. there he fell hard for a pretty co-worker, ruth kim. >> what moment in your life do you most remember? >> when i got married. >> they wed in 1937. and by 1938 had the first of three daughters. it was ruth who suggested tyrus apply for a job at disney. how long did tyrus work at disney. >> only for three years. >> why did he leave? >> it was to do with the strike. >> wong was let go after many animaters went out on strike in 1941, a full year before his contribution to the film were minimized. when you talk to him, though, there's absolutely no bitterness. >> that really reflects tyrus' personality. it's not to say that he didn't feel racism or injustice, but he really picked his battles. and he just tried to not dwell on it. >> wong then spent 26 years at warner brothers, where he helped create the look of dozens of films. >> i think part -- paul newman. shelly winters. always mindful of providing for his family he also designed christmas cards on the side. kim wong is tyrus' youngest daughter. >> he would go into the department stores, my sister and i would go, find his album put it on top where people would see it. >> one of tyrus' designs sold over a million cards. the only time tyrus stopped working was when ruth got sick. he spent 15 years caring for her >> they were married for over 50 years. he was really just devoted to caring for her. >> ruth never got the chance to see her husband celebrated for his work. >> our next ledge end had a brief but impactful disney career. >> in 2001 disney honored him as a legend. >> t>>h hougit took the world awhile to acknowledge tyrus wong, today -- >> we can put up that centipede. >> today like the kites he created his reputation continues to soar. >> such a beautiful metaphor for his life. after he retired he was fishing he says, you know, fishing you look down but with kites you look up. always looking up. >> pauley: next stop. the lost city. and later -- >> hide become a prisoner of my own theatricality. >> pauley: who's afraid of the curse of the lost city? certainly not the explorers who have been reliving their adventures and miss adventures with our lee cowan. >> if you ask best selling author doug preston he'll say he doesn't believe in curses. yet -- >> perfect reason. >> being treated for an illness he contracted while on a jungle expedition. to a site rumored for centuries to rain misfortune down on anyone who entered. >> i would never trade that experience for anything. it was so powerful. >> heading toward the base. >> his tale begins in the rain forest of mosquitia, carpeting some 20,000 square miles of honduras and in this case rag gentleman. >> the ledge send there was a great city in the mountains that was struck by series of catastrophes and inhabitants thought the gods wering degree at them and left leavi >> some called it the white city. others the city of the monkey god. it's possible existence has tantalized adventure seekers since the 1500s including explorer steve elkins who has been obsessed with finding the city since the early '90s. >> who doesn't like a story that has some mystery in it. let's go see what happens. >> they might come back with the other sites, too. >> he launched platest expedition in 2012 invited doug preston to write about it. >> you went along because why? >> he's never going to find the lost city that's ridiculous. but who knows. even if he doesn't find anything could make a cool story. >> but some time, elkins had something no previous expedition to the area did. >> double check cables here. >> it's lidar. a hi-tech laser mapping system. the bottom of an old says could skymaster, it could scan hundreds of square miles of dense jungle in a matter of days. the problem? it was expensive. >> this one shows the full scale of the convoy. >> enter documentary filmmaker bill benenson who agreed to foot the million dollar plus bill if he could capture it on film. >> this technology could see through the jungle canopy and potentially reveal the contours of what might be underneath it. it seemed like a valuable gamble. >> one that soon paid off. what the lidar revealed, once that jungle canopy was removed, shocked everyone on the team. >> i zoomed into this level i just went holy, crap. i said, this is what looks like rectangular structures. >> that was about as linear, perfectly linear line either manmade or the world's most intelligent gophers were out there doing things they had never done before. >> what do you think you had found initially? >> i knew we found a city. >> a city? >> ancient city. that i knew. but what it was, beyond that, was up for the archaeologists to figure out. >> that was colorado's state chris fisher. >> sounds like it's that big deal. >> think it is. like machu picchu, no. but this area regionally i think it's very important. >> helped national geographic artists come up with this rendering of what the city might have looked like. >> there you see the interior of the plaza. >> he had to get there on foot to know for sure. >> especially stairway that goes here. >> it took three long years of planning. >> just to get into this junk sell extremely dangerous. once you're there thick with poisonous snakes. >> deadliest? a pit viper called the fer de lance, docile enough during the day. but one slithered into camp under the cover of darkness, it caused an understandable panic. on the team, a jungle warfare expert who leapt into action. >> he pinned the snake, but the snake exploded at that point into an absolute fury of striking everywhere, squirting venom. streams of venom across the night air. it was -- >> next morning the jungle seemed a little less ominous. and the march to the site began. like cutting your way through a shag carpet. what wasn't growing was oozing with mud. >> go back down this way. >> the jungle was so schick all they could see were leaves even what chris fisher thought was a pyramid. >> that's a pyramid right there in front of you. >> where is the pyramid? >> right there. you're looking at it. >> the big lump? >> can't say i see a whole lot from here. >> well, that's what it is. that's a pyramid. it's made out of earth. were noe structures to speak of just foundations. but the next day, almost by accident, disappointment turned into jubilation. >> there are inscriptions right here. >> there are? >> yes. >> oh, my, god. >> someone said, hey, wait a minute, there's some weird stones over here. we all came back and the first thing i staw was a jaguar head coming out of the ground, carved in stone, snarling. >> everybody stop! back up! don't touch anything! don't clear anything! please. >> there at the date from the 16th century. the personal belongings of inhabitants who fled the valley, one theory would have it,ish a desperate attempt to escape european disease and slavery it. >> was phenomenal to think that in the 21st century you could still find something like this on the surface of the earth. >> some in the academic community, however, were not so easily impressed. >> we don't go out looking for treasure any more. we go out looking for knowledge. >> rosemary joyce, professor of anthropology at uc berkeley sedan expedition lead by film makers is more of indiana jones than it does real science. some 20 other archaeologists agreed. >> it was just portrayed as archaeology, it's not. >> some indigenous people bristled when the honduran president removed the first they consider the site sacred, said it should be left alone. in the end, what this expedition unearthed was a lot more than just relics it became a stew of excitement, questions, criticism and ill health. >> end up in the hospital like this. >> months after leaving the jungle doug preston noticed a bite from a sand fly that just wouldn't heal. so did chris fisher. the national institutes of health diagnosed it as frightening parasitic disease called lshmaniasis. >> mayor sight migrates to the mucous membranes of your mouth and your nose and bakesly eats them away. your nose falls off, your lips fall off, eventually your face becomes a guy began i can open sore. >> over the next few months about half the expedition came down with the earl symptoms had to undergo the painful treatment. >> that's good. overview. >> bill benenson and steve were spared. their documentary about their adventure is now in its final edit. doug preston, bucking the criticism, titled his book "the lost city of the monkey god." as for the site, only a fraction of it has been excavated and questions linger about how or if to go back again. >> it's just too dangerous to stay there. >> it's just too dangerous. just getting in and out is dangerous. >> it would seem the jungle is still fighting to keep its secrets. almost in penetrable vail making a better accounting of what's really there difficult at best. and that in the end may be the most lasting curse of all. >> go get your bucket because you left it over there. >> pauley: coming up. >> move your head. >> pauley: best friends. slowing you down. but your immune system weakens as you get older increasing the risk for me, the shingles virus. i've been lurking inside you since you had chickenpox. i could surface anytime as a painful, blistering rash. one in three people get me in their lifetime, linda. will it be you? 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>> and as luck would have it, neither is waco. >> crank he's old sob just like i am. >> but don't be fooled by their tough guy act. >> what do you guys do for fun? eat animal crackers? >> yeah, pretty much. >> do you want a cookie? there you go. just one, do you know how many you've had? >> healthy appetite relatively new for waco. when donny moved in in 2008 the horse was barely eating at all. >> i wanted to dig a hole because i didn't think he'd make it through the wenter. >> as it turned out waco wasn't sick, he was lonely. >> just talked to him one day for half an hour, got him to accept the fact that i ain't i'm your buddy. it's been going on now for eight years. >> donny's work at the information center has him dealing with people, not exactly his thing. but at the end of the day, waco is there. >> in the wintertime, back in the barn, lean on the stall front. he'd put his head on my shoulder just chew. just chew. just calm me down. >> even after a heart attack when donny didn't feel like he'd ever recover -- >> i couldn't carry a five gallon bucket of water. it was too physically stressful. >> waco was there. now it's like two five gallon pales, let's go. >> do you know what would would happen to him? >> yeah. yeah. i think that's part of the as honestly. >> you ready? ♪ cause a lust for live. >> pauley: ahead, pop star i go bee pop. ♪ it's go time at dunkin' with two wake-up wraps for $3. enjoy two freshly-made oven-toasted wraps with bacon, sausage, or ham, and keep on all day. america runs on dunkin'. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. ♪ candy, i miss you so >> >> pauley: "candy" was a big hit back in 1909 for the pop star known as iggy pop. all these years later he's still on stage and back on the charts and talking to anthony mason for the record. >> on stage, iggy pop has always lived on the edge. ♪ cause of a lust for life. >> he's a rock provocateur, taresless and reckless front man who has >> i'm not not sure who the civilized world wants to do about me. i'm not sure what their intentions are. >> hi, everybody! >> with his latest album, the artist often called the god father of punk, has made a belated bid for respectability. >> there have been plenty of anyway stayers in my life and career since i started. i wanted to stay, you can succeed at this. >> he has. his highest charting album ever "post pop depression" is nominated for a grammy. >> i just start jumping up and down like baboons do before they're going to fight. >> he's the subject of that documentary "gimme danger" which shows how he invented the stage dive. at that time 69, he still gets the urge. >> i shouldn't but every once in awhile. >> i thought you'd given you have stage diving. >> i gave up here but not here. >> you want to connect. and granted it's a very fundamental way to connect. but it's a connection that i found in my life. >> as eloquent that is iggy is in person, on stage he's a blunt instrument. the out of control alter ego of jim osterberg. >> i don't know how that works. i haven't got a clue. something happens. >> but you obviously like it. >> i need it. >> you do? >> yes. >> what do you get back in that connection? >> love. >> those are your folks? >> this is my father, james, senior. my namesake. this is louella my mother. >> they were exemplary parents. >> james osterberg, junior, grew up in a ypsilanti, michigan. >> pap tan junior high you were voted most likely to succeed. >> i going to be the 43rd president of the united states. >> i was interested in politics. >> you were? >> i went door to door for kennedy. but between then and later, music seduced me. >> the name iggy came from his first band the iguanas. in the late '60s he formed the stooges, and his alter ego the dangerous front man known to roll around on broken glass was born. you put yourself at physical risk. >> yeah, i did. >> what that was about? >> well, once you start something, if you're me you need to finish it. >> stooges weren't commercially successful but they were influential. nirvana's kurt cobain called their album raw power, his all-time favorite record. it was >> where did you meet? >> on the dinah shore show in 1977bowie describes their different sounds. >> one comes from sort of there, his comes from here down to -- >> wonder what he means by that. >> i don't know, i'll ask you later. >> bow we played keyboards behind iggy upon tour that year. >> he was nicer to me than he had to be. that is a super rare thing with a hig. i know that. >> that is a hig. >> huge industry giant. >> bow we and iggy would collaborate on more than three albums of material including this song. ♪ china girl >> this is your work? >> that is my work. >> it hangs in iggy's miami bungalow. he took up painting because we had, too. >> this represents my inflamed soul. these are little devils whispe whispering bad suggestions in my ear. >> through much of the '50s as he moved between detroit, l.a. and new york, the devil iggy battled was heroin. it landed him in neuropsychiatric institute. >> why did you check yourself town a mental institution? >> because i had become a prisoner of my own theatricality. >> he turned it around. >> i lived a very straight life life with a crooked mind. >> can you live a straight life with a crooked mind? >> yes, you can. >> by the late '90s he moved to miami. >> this is where i would prefer to be just about tall the time just about every day. >> that same decade, pop culture finally began to embrace iggy. he had his biggest radio hit. ♪ candy, i can't let you go >> his 1996 film "trainspotting." >> are you conscious of the influence of your band? >> i have a feeling that i've had some sort of minor spiritual influence. i went to the fillmother in new york, there were four guys on stage with no shirt on they all looked like me. it was the red hot chili peppers. you know, i thought, hoe, boy, how do i compete with that? >> there's iggy, there's -- josh homme produced and cocrow his new album. >> i look at iggy tas this colorful piece of art. a beauty about it in his perspective and his body and his experience. >> but iggy pop says this album is likely his last. >> it's that 40-year-old guy teas schedule, not 69-year-old guy teas schedule. i'm doing already with it. but i'd be fool to try to keep it up. >> jimmy is ready to slow down. now that the world seems to have caught up with his alter ego. >> this century's been a fresh start for me. and the skies cleared. everything that wouldn't work suddenly started to work. >> what do you think happened? >> i don't know. the simplest thing i would think is that maybe society and i met half way. >> it's wonderful? >> wonderful? >> yes. >> talking about the repoe man. >> he was wonderful. >> pauley: a repoe man with a heart. next. >> pauley: whatever would possess a repo man to become a guardian angel? steve hartman can tell us. >> if you need to feel loved. >> you're going to have people try to run you over. >> jim ford says this is not the job for you. for the last 20 years, he has worked as a repo man outside st. louis. >> i've only been really shot at four times. >> you realize four is a lot. >> once they were actually trying to kill me. >> that's still a lot. >> i guess. >> fortunately this story isn't about his most disgruntled customers. it's about his most grateful. >> wonderful. >> wonderful? >> talking about the repo man. >> he was wonderful. i mean, he's the kind of -- kindest man i've ever met. >> stan and pat kipping live in red bud, illinois. stan a navy vet retired janitor is in the early stages of alzheimer's. >> love you. >> love you, too baby. >> they have never been rich but they have never been this deep in debt either. the most devastating blow came just a few months back when they realized they couldn't even afford the hundred dollar monthly payments on their '98 buick century. >> when he took the car i just said, god, do whatever. whatever you think is best for us. you know, god works in mysterious ways. >> he's working through the repo man th's of all. >> that's right. >> they're like america's grandparents. i saw my grandparents in them. i made it a block before i pulled over and called the bank. i asked them if i could pay off the past due amount. >> jim returned a few days later. he had the car detailed, oil changed, even put frozen turkey in the front. also started a go fund me. which covered late payments and then some. >> we paid off the whole car. >> the whole car? oh, my, god. >> you have no car payment any more. paid the whole thing off. >> then, he gave them an envelope with extra money. more than $17,000 extra to date. >> how has this changed your outlook on life? there's good people out there. he's our guardian angel. >> there are good people out there. guardian angels, some times you find them in the most unlikely places and professions. prayerly a job, no matter what you do, it's always an option. >> pauley: still to come -- ready onset please. >> pauley: director producer lee daniels. and later, two painters, one vision. we live in a pick and choose world. choose. choose. choose. but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number and the lowest prices of the season. chnology tells you how well you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! only at a sleep number store, right now, the best buy rated c2 mattress is only $699.99 learn more at sleepnumber.com know better sleep with sleep number. nobody would believe you're eating bacon... pizza. i have chips every day! you can have whatever you want, it's just making smart choices about eating. bring on the food! we're having it all! i feel good about myself. yeah! best decision of my life. it always feels good when somebody says you look good. aren't we glad we did it? 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>> is it exactly what happened that your father took you when you came down wearing your mother's high heels put you in a trash can? >> yes. >> do you think your father was just reacting to that or do you think your father was reacting to, i know what this means for him later on? >> both. because i think that -- i think that he -- as a man was embarrassed to have a gay -- i had no questions. i had no problems rather letting him know. that is how i felt. i was very outspoken. i owned who it was that i was. >> daniels philadelphia police officer. >> i think that he felt, no, i know that he felt that being an african american man was hard enough, especially in those times. but to be gay on top of that was just a suicide note. and he reminded me of that repeatedly. >> how? >> verbally, you know. physically. he was embarrassed and ashamed. i think in hindsight, he was just more concerned about my future. so i think that, in some strange way, his telling me that i was nothing inspired me to be something. >> when daniels was 15, his father was killed during a hold up. his mother, with five children to support, convinced a neighbor to help her eldest son attend an elite suburban high school. environment and being the only black person and feeling love and feeling like they -- you know, there was absolutely no racism at all. >> did you make friends fast? >> oh, yeah. i learned to go seamlessly through a black environment to a white environment and to adapt to both. i think that helped me with my journey. that i was comfortable -- very comfortable in both places. >> the experience gave him the confidence, he said, to move at age 21 to los angeles where he worked as a receptionist at an agency for home health aides. soon enough he opened his own successful agency, but -- >> did i what most kids do when they don't have a strong foundation or a father. or come from where i come from. i blew it on cars and drugs and then i sold it. then made more money. >> was to make movies. so he started at the bottom as a production assistant on the movie "purple rain." >> i heard a story that you showed up onset as a p.a. -- >> in an armani suit and a porsche. >> smoking newport cigarette. wasn't a p.a. for long his winning combination of talent, smarts and startling self assurance propelled him. by age 41, daniels produce neighborhood monster's ball." which won heal bury an oscar. >> background. >> tas the director of the movie "precious" daniels earned his own oscar nomination for -- >> who was going to love me? >> for getting raw performances from a cast that include add certain diva almost unrecognizable as a social worker. >> how did you get mariah carey to take off her "precious"? >> carefully. i'm a snake charmer. >> easy does it. when actors work with me they know that they can trust me. and i am not afraid to tell people who i am and what my flaws are. and getting that, people talk back. they open up and their guard is down. when their guard is down, get it! get it! >> ready onset. >> no, he doesn't hold back. which brings us to the second thing lee daniels is very good at. >> i got to tell you for the record, i'm bored with hollywood people of color saying hollywood owes you something. don't nobody owe you nothing. >> provoking and sometimes outraging people with his unalloyed candor. especially on the topic of race >> i had to fight for everything from my very first movie on. you. raised the money for "man store's ball." >> for me, these entitled people, hollywood owes us something. no, you owe you something. and then you are going to say, hollywood owes me awards? huh? the fact that you want to do a movie for an award that somebody owes you an award, get outta here. don't even make sense. and you call yourself a artist? really? we don't do it for the awards. >> at last year's oscars when there were no black nominees for any of the acting awards, how did you feel? >> how did i feel? i don't know that there was anything that was deserved to be nominated, was there? i don't vote on color. i vote on the movies that deserve to be nominated. you don't see m klaining because i didn't get nothing for "the butler" you know what? next, i went on made "empire" i mean, like, you know, see ya. >> from a fur-lined hammock in his new york city apartment, 57-year-old lee daniels presides over an empire he hopes continues to expand. >> i do think that there are injustices in hollywood every day as they are in america? yes, there are. not just injustices, but there are atrocities, i believe, that have happened. but is that going to define me? no. am i going to get what's mine? 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there's a snack bar company called curate who will boldly select and organize for your mouth a presentation of chia seeds and elder bury. but my water filter curates tap water. offering the finest combination of h, 2 and 0 available. no phd in art history required. got an opinion? got content? curate. the word curate began as a noun which in the 1300s meant a clergyman from the latin cura. it was applied to custodian charge of caring for and preserving libraries, museums and the like. some time in the plate 1800s, curate debuted that is a verb for such aesthetic then, soon after the dawn of the 21st century, le deluge. >> scones or scones as the english like to say. >> martha stuart demonstrated how to make hour homes and scones picture worthy. >> nowadays scones are filled with all kinds of wonderful things. >> oprah winfrey offered us her favorite things. >> we have curated all of my favorite things in one place. >> social media provides a constant platform on which to feature what we deem beautiful, meaningful and worthy. from caring for souls to caring about selfies, curate has come a long way. a michigan university, um, curated words that should be banished and guess what landed on its list. i think the curation concert takes is this, just because you like something or list something are you really curating? but the question really is not who gets to use the word or when will we reach peak curate, no, if everyone is curating, why is there so much crap? one man's content is another woman's crap. and the crappy content, let's call it content, will never go away. so god bless folks who claim to filter it, more power to them. and now, i must bid adue. i can only hope the editor of this commentary has curated by crontent into eloquence. >> pauley: n, the same only different. i'm doing all i can to keep from having another one. and i'm taking brilinta. for people who've been hospitalized for a heart attack. i take brilinta with a baby aspirin. no more than one hundred milligrams as it affects how well it works. brilinta helps keep my platelets from sticking together and forming a clot. brilinta reduced the chance of another heart attack. d better than plavix. think of your future ♪ it's your retirement. know where you stand. ♪think of your future ♪ ♪ give extra. get extra. >> jay: how do works by two different painter from two different eras compare when we see them side by side. with rita braver, let's take a look. >> they b years and an ocean apart. henri matisse is household name in this country. he's a french painter but many americans who never heard of richard bib. >> i know. i'm hoping that that will change. >> change curator cat rothkoph says as viewers see the work of matisse, the french post impression mist master and diebenkorn, the influential but less known american modernist side by side for the first time. >> we have 92 works in this ex hi addition. 56 by diebenkorn and 36 by matisse. >> now on view at the baltimore museum of art, the exhibit will travel to san francisco in the spring. what do you think are the greatest similarities between these two artists? >> they both loved color. and i think they both just had a magic touch with the paint brush. >> the two never met, but similarity was more than mere coincidence. richard diebenkorn studied matisse almost obsessively. >> he was someone who was a real student. stand certainly, there were other artists that in influenced him throughout his life but no one more than matisse. >> one reason that diebenkorn is less well-known than other important artists of the mid 20th century is that he lived and worked in america's west, far from new york then the epicenter of modern art in america. born in 1922 in portland, oregon, raised in the san francisco bay area, diebenkorn began drawing as a toddler, eventually going on to study art at stanford. >> he was working in the abstract expressionist mode. he loved abstraction. that was certainly the style of the time. >> he first saw a matisse in over the years, traveling as far as paris and st. petersburg to view the older artist's work. but diebenkorn never sought to imitate matisse. >> i think he felt very much that it was important to look to the past. why would you not look at something that someone else had done. didn't mean that you were copying them just meant that they were inspiring you. >> both men produced abstract and figurative works. some with flattened, muted colors. others with vibrant, recognizable images. >> this was painted in 1967 by richard diebenkorn. >> the yellow. was this a color that he came to like a lot? >> he liked a lot of colors and he liked bold color. >> you've got it next to the henri matisse yellow dress. >> diebenkorn would have seen this painting but we certainly don't have any evidence that his have been in his mind. >> this one probably my mother. a little tired of posing perhaps. >> gretchen diebenkorn grant, is the daughter of the late painter. >> did you ever determine while you were growing up that he was indeed influenced by henri matisse? >> oh, yes. he had a wonderful collection of art books. he had more matisse books than anything else. people would give them to him am the time. >> on the day we visited the baltimore mu team of art, she got to meet sophie matisse, henri's great granddaughter, for the very first time. >> they look at the world in a sort of similar way. i'm looking around while i'm saying this, to see the sensibilities, the work is not the same built it's very definitely related. >> they exchange a mystical language between the two of them show that's just breathtaking. >> the parallels are unmistakable. >> i love these two paintings. >> the interior, exterior of both of them is so prominent so important. >> that was something they both were really interested in, that contrast of light and color. >> yeah, absolutely. >> richard diebenkorn died in 1993 at the age of 70. nearly 40 years after matisse's death. diebenkorn lived to witness his own success, but since he never met the man who in influenced him along the way, their relationships is left to the canvas and our imaginations. >> it's lovely that you two are having a chance to meet. could you imagine what a conversation between these two artists would have been? >> i'm sure that my father would have loved to have met matisse. >> how do you know they are not like up there looking down. >> pauley: on that cheerful note we turn to john dickerson in washington for a look what's ahead on "face the nation." good morning, john. >> dickerson: good morning, jane, happy new year. republicans will be busy on capitol hill next week we'll talk to mitch mccontinental about what they're going to replace obamacare with. also talk to incoming white house chief of staff about donald trump stand russian medaling in the election. >> pauley: john dickerson, thank you. next week here on "sunday morning." >> i got some life experiences, i became a mother. >> pauley: talks with viola davis. yeahashtag "stuffy nose."old. hashtag "no sleep." i got it. hashtag "mouthbreather." yep. we've got a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip and ... pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe ... and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right. befi was active.gia, i was energetic. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. he also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. >> pauley: we leave you this "sunday morning" in a wintery wood near craley, pennsylvania. captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, where quality products for the american family have been a tradition for generations captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next sunday morning. net. so in the 3.7 seconds it takes gary watson to beat the local sled jump record fly, gary, fly. ...his friend can download 13 different versions of the perfect song... ...his sister can live stream it... ...while his mom downloads how to set a dislocated shoulder, get 150 meg internet, tv and phone for just 79.99 per month online for the first year. hurry offer ends january 21st. only from fios. captioning sponsored by cbs