Dickerson with an impassioned sermon on race in america. Its all ahead on face the captioning sponsored by cbs im john dickerson. Its been a big week for news, and were going to try and get through all of it. We start with the Supreme Courts ruling on samesex marriage and chad give, the head of the Human Rights Campaign is with us. Chad, this was a big win for gays in america, for supporters of samesex marriage. So is the work done . No question the work is not done. And while this was a monumental leap forward in this country, we still have a long ways to go. In a majority of states in the country still today. After this ruling, you can be married at 10 00 a. M. , fired from your job by noon, and evicted from your home by 2 00 simply for posting that wedding photo on facebook. And so as you look at the battles ahead weve got to bring full and comprehensive nondiscrimination protects to everyone protections to everyone living in this country and thats the next battle to congress fwhoo what about the inch iation of the ruling itself in louisiana and in mississippi theres some slow walking going on there whats the latest on that . Well, look, this really was very clear. The ruling that was written by Justice Kennedy made very clear that every state has to move forward and all of the marriage bans must fall. And i expect thats going to happen quickly. I think what youre seeing is some folks trying to play a political game, asl was doing in louisiana. But i do expect that across this country very quickly every state and every city and every county will move swiftly to implement this historic ruling. Dickerson let me ask you about something the president said in his remarks in the rose garden. He said that those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others. What obligation do you have to help others who may find this ruling troubling . Well, look, i think theres no question that we have been on the journey in this country a long journey, to move towards that more perfect union, as the president said. And, look, our laws have to treat everyone equally and thats what this ruling grants lgbt americans but we also have to acknowledge there are still folks who are coming along. But that is truly the lesson of this movement. As lgbt people have lived their lives openly and out at home, at work, at school and church, it has changed folks minds. Every day americans realize were the people next door. Were the fellow congregate seated next to you on the church pugh on a pew on the sunday morning. Were the police officer. Were the ceo. And when folks have come to know us theyve evolved and believed that we should all have equal rights, not special rights, but equal rights. Thats the lesson of this country, and thats the journey that will continue. Dickerson all right, chad griffin. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. Dickerson on the other side of the issue we turn to Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist convention. I want to start with this question on this ruling. What can be done now for people who hold your view . Well, i think that people have to understand that people who hold my view based on deeply held religious convictions arent going to simply surrender those things. We cant. For us to change our views on marriage and sexuality would mean repudiating what we believe has been handed to us by jesus and his apostles. We didnt make up our views on marriage and sexuality and we cant unmake them. And so evangelical protestants and catholics and eastern orthodox and others are going to continue to hold their views on marriage and sexuality. We believe its in the common good. We understand that short term things are very stacked against us here. But we ought to have the sort of pleuralistic american environment where we can agree to disagree and where we can make our case without having our consciences paved over by those who would seek to to so. Dickerson so you can hold your view, but what about in a legal sense . I mean, what can anything be done . Well, i think were going to have to take a page from the Prolife Movement and see this as a longterm strategy. I dont think that an ininitaly elastic view of marriage is sustainable. And we have to be the people who keep the light lit to the old ways when it comes to marriage and family and thats going to be a generationlong skirmish. Its not going to be something thats going to be resolved in a president ial election or dickerson you say infinitely elastic. It seems to be increasingly elastic. We seem to be moving with various rates of rapidity toward tossing aside things but just a few years ago there seemed to be slippery slopes. Dickerson you mentioned the prolife the roe vs. Wade analogy youve used before, but in this case, it seems its a little bit different. That in roe vs. Wade, there was a kind of constant push against it. In this, a lot of reason that the culture has changed is because people know people in samesex relationships and the opposition to that has diaminished. But i dont think thats the case. If you look at what happened in roe vs. Wade you had at least my wing of christianity who werent concerned at all. We saw it as a Roman Catholic issue. You had a very lonely Roman Catholic witness against the abortion culture and as time went on, as people saw the implications of this, the more that they stood by what the scriptures teach on these things and about what their deepest convictions say. I think the same thing will be true here. Dickerson there will be a lot more people that you know who will have family members now as a result of this who will now be married through samesex marriages. What do you what would you council them . What would your guidance be to a person of faith about someone in their family or friend who goes on and gets married now . Well, we dont hate anybody. We dont have hostility toward anyone. We believe in loving all people and respecting all people, including our gay and lesbian neighbors. And so holding to our convictions doesnt mean that we dispense with human kindness. It means those two things go together. We have to be people of both truth and grace and conviction and kindness and i think thats what most christians are doing now and have been doing for quite some time. Dickerson last question, in terms of protections for people of faith is there a specific protection that you would like to see in the wake of this ruling . Well, its really going to depend on what the victors in this ruling attempt to assert. Are they going to take a french revolutionary approach to the sexual revolution or not . And i think we have to hold by our First Amendment protections for people of faith and for religious institutions, because were not going to be able to simply put our convictions in a blind trust. Dickerson thank you so much for being with us. Thank you john. Dickerson and in another major ruling this last week, the court upheld obamacare. Ways Means Committee chairman paul ryan has been a consistent critic of the Affordable Care act. He joins us from wisconsin. Mr. Ryan, is the president right . He says obamacare is now the law of the land and thats that. I dont agree with that, john. I think this law is going to collapse under its own weight. Im as motivated as ever before to repeal and replace this law and thats what were working on. What i really worry about john, with this ruling is the grave injustice it does to the rule of law. So much for calling balls and strikes. I think Justice Roberts is now counting foul balls as home runs. Look, i think that theyve done a great disservice to the country because theyre rewriting laws at the bench. We had three constructionists on the court when we should are have had five. Im shock the at this lulling but ruling but it does not deter us what we really want which is Affordable Care for everybody and let People Choose what they want to buy and thats not what this law does. But as practical matter, youre going to work against it. What can you do now . Well, as practical matter it means we need to win the 2016 election and with a republican president in 2017 replace this law with one that actually working, one that people actually like. Dickerson you know, i want to talk to you about what the replacement is going to be and review a line from peter sutterman whos writing in politico about the politics of healthcare. He writes republicans have already lost because when it comes to larger Healthcare Health policy goals the party effectively doesnt have any beyond the repeal of obamacare. This author is not a fan of obamacare. His argument is theres no real alternative and you couldnt as republicans agree on one. Well, i take issue with that narrative. Look, when we were debating obamacare senator tom coburn, richard burr and i had a very comprehensive alternative. There are a number of alternative obamacare bills out there right now in congress. So i just disagree with that notion. But to your point, i do believe that in 2016 we need to show the country what exactly we would replace this law with so that when we win the election in 2016, we have the ability do it in 2017. So yes thats what were going to go with now is go back to working on coming up with a comprehensive replacement bill, showing the country what that looks like, how we can fix this mess, and then implement the fix in 2017. Dickerson i know that 2016 candidates come to you and seek your counsel. Would you advise them then not just to say obamacare bad but to say here is a b c and d what i would replace it with . Would that be your advice . Id say both, yes. I dont like this law because i dont think anybody running for president on our side of the aisle does and say what they would replace it with. Thats a healthy ing thing. You already have people running for president who already put out replacement ideas and plans. We are working on spronding to king burwell should they stick with it as written since the ruling didnt go the right way i think were now going to work on a comprehensive replacement man plan and i think thats a healthy conversation were going to have to have in this country. Dickerson the president said he would like to work with you on fixing the law. Any chance thats going to happen . Look, i just dont think this law is fixable. Its borne on such a fundamentally flawed premise. It lets you buy only what it lets you guy. Its going buy. Its going to lead to monopoly of Insurance Companies governmentrun corporations effectively. It denies people choice. It gives the states no right to craft markets for themselves that work for them. I think its so fundamentally flawed. I think the law is going to collapse under its own weight. The denial of choice. The double digit increases in premiums we seem to see every year is something that i just dont think the countrys going to stand for. Dickerson well switch from a position of disagreement with the president to one where you agreed with him. It looks like trade is going to go forward. What was the key to getting that passed, something both you and the president wanted . Well, i think this is one of those glimmers of hope where we had some Common Ground on a bipartisan basis. And the reason this happened, the reason we had 191 republicans in the house voting for it with 28 democrats is because we want american leadership. We realize that trade is what you need to have to increase jobs and Economic Opportunity national security. But really john, i think it was a question of, if we do not do tpa, then we are on a bipartisan basis saying that the country i retreating from the world and were going to let other countries write the global rulebook on the Global Economy. And we dont want to do that. Now that we have tpa america can be at the front of the line writing the rules of the Global Economy which is in our interests. And i think thats what we got out of this. Dickerson all right congressman paul ryan, thanks for being with us. We turn now to Race Relations in the aftermath of the charleston shootings. Congressman Elijah Cummings spoke with us earlier. I want to talk to you about the federal flag in South Carolina. It looks like its just a matter of time before it comes down. What will that do in terms of improving Race Relations . I think its a major thing that has to happen, and it will happen. I agree. And i applaud the folks in South Carolina for doing that. I also applaud the governor of alabama for doing what hes doing in taking down the flag. But thats simply not enough. That is simply a symbol of bigotry, a symbol of racial hatred, symbol of inequality for me and for so many others. Now we must begin to address Racial Disparities and inequalities themselves, and i think thats the most important thing. Again, its good to take the flag down, but now we have to move beyond that. Dickerson i want to pick up on that. President obama, when he spoke at reverend pinkneys funeral said something. I want to play it and get your reaction to it. It would be a betrayal of everything reverend pinkney stood for, i believe, if we allowed ourselves to slip into a comfortable silence again. Right cheers and applause once the eulogies have been delivered, once the tv cameras move on, to go back to business as usual. Kerson i want to ask you about that idea of business as usual. Youre from baltimore. It was your district where just a few months ago there was rioting in the streets over the question of the murder of freddie gray. Whats the situation like in baltimore . Got a lot of attention for a short period, but have things flipped back to business as usual . Or whats being done there now . No, they have not slipped back as business as usual. I think the mayor has worked very hard to pull us together. And we have a program now called one baltimore. What we saw after the disturbances is a lot of people of good will came forward opened their eyes and said, you know what . We can do something about it. So we had philanthropic organizations, nonprofits, state government, president obama and his administration all coming together to try to begin to address things like joblessness and the criminal Justice System and trying to make sure that police were respecting the people who they have pledged to serve and protect. But also making sure the Community Respect the police. And so theres a lot happening in baltimore. We have a long way to go. But i dont think baltimore will ever be the same. Is it going to be easy . No, its not going to be easy. Dealing with problems that have been systemic for so long, its going to be very difficult. We have to, for example address education system. So many of our children feel that they are not getting the education they need to be functional in our society. So were looking at all of those things and giving it everything weve got. But i have a lot of hope for baltimore. Dickerson when you think about whats happened in baltimore and then you were there at the service on friday, you talk about hope. The president tried to talk about that too. What do you think what did you take from his remarks in terms of trying to address some of these longstanding problems about race in america both in baltimore but also in charleston. I think what the president was saying was that we need to pull the blinders from over our eyes and that we dont have the right to remain silent about what we see. In the past, we have put bandaids on the symptoms, said, okaying, we got a problem here, so well do something there and here. But the fact still remains that what the president was trying to say, i think was that weve got to look at things like healthcare. Think about South Carolina. Weve got 136,000 people who could be getting healthcare under medicaid under the Affordable Care act but theyre not because the governor and the left laich wont sign off. Tates that are doing the same things. I mean, those are the kinds of things that go to the quality of life of africanamericans and other people. We got to look at joblessness. We also have to look at the criminal Justice System. And i think whats what the president s saying. Lets begin to act. Its nice to talk, but at some point, the talk has to turn into deeds, to actually affect peoples lives from day to day. Dickerson all right congressman cummings, thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. Dickerson well be back in one minute. Then it would be easy to know everything about that one breed. But in fact, there are over three hundred breeds of dogs. Because no one can be an expert in every one. An app powered by ibm watson will help vets tap Specialized Knowledge in the cloud for every breed. 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So how big a deal is that . Well, we dont know in fairness to her because i dont have anything to compare it with because she had this unprecedented email arrangement with herself. Only she and her attorneys know whether or not she turned over everything.