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>> i'm good, i'm good. ahh! >> you've got to stop putting words in my mouth, sir. let me finish. >> nobody is hearing anything. >> do you smoke pot with tom hanks? >> i did. i smoked pot with tom hanks in this movie. >> i'm going to talk computers! i'm going to live on the moon! >> i have something very, very big concerning the president of the united states. >> give us a hint. >> i will do that. >> on "cbs this morning." >> could cost him the election. he's going to endorse him. captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." i'm charlie rose in new york. norwich city is in boca raton, florida, with bob schieffer. last night the candidates met face to face for the very last time. and a cbs news instant poll shows president obama left the stage with an advantage, 53% of undeclared voters who watched the debate said the president won. 23% called governor mitt romney the winner. while 24% called it a tie. >> those voters also said mr. obama would do a better job on terrorism and national security. the margin was nearly 2-1. also 71% said the president can be trusted to handle an international crisis. 49% said that about romney. and the poll was split 50/50 on who would do a better job on u.s. policy toward china. the two men met last night with a lot on the line. a cbs news national poll taken before the debate shows president obama leading by just two points, and that is within the margin of error, so it's a statistical tie. we begin this morning with jan crawford. she is in west palm beach with the romney campaign. jan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah. good morning, charlie. this was the first debate, when both candidates left the stage happy. the president hit romney hard. his supporters say he really scored some points. but romney held his own, and his team told me he more than passed the commander in chief test. >> i know you haven't been in a position to actually execute foreign policy, but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong. >> reporter: president obama attacked early and often, at times sounding almost dismissive. >> you mention the navy, for example. that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed. we have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. we have ships that go under water, nuclear submarines. >> reporter: for much of the debate, the president was on the attack and both men often acted as if mr. obama were the underdog. twice romney called him out on the attacks, and instead of engaging, often pivoted to the economy. >> attacking me is not an agenda. attacking me is not talking about how we're going to deal with the challenges in the middle east. america must be strong. america must lead. and for that to happen, we have to strengthen our economy here at home. you can't have 23 million people struggling to get a job. >> reporter: and when the two went head-to-head, romney pushed back. >> when you're asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing russface ing america, you said russia, not al qaeda. and they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the cold war has been over for 20 years. >> excuse me, in the same paragraph, i said and iran is the greatest national security threat we face. russia does continue to bat us in the u.n. time and time again. i have clear eyes on this. i'm not going to wear rose colored glasses when it comes to russia or mr. putin and i'm certainly not gointo say to him i'll give you more flexibility after the election. >> now, romney's advisers tell me it was a strategic decision for romney to take the high road and generally not take the president's bait, even on libya, he declined to take a shot at the president. but instead framed it in the broader context of what he called the president's failed policies in the middle east. his goal going in was to sound matter of fact, confident, and knowledgeable, and not come across as heated as he did in last week's debate. norah and charlie? >> let's talk about the debate with the man who was in the middle, bob schieffer, the host of "face the nation." first, bob, congratulations. it was a great debate between the two candidates, where we had a full exchange of the views. what was it like being there? >> it's very exciting. and it's also -- i mean, you're just sitting there and you're so close. you feel like you can -- well, you can, you can almost reach out and touch both of them. and you get to see the reaction, when they're looking each other straight in the eye and both of them did that. and occasionally, they would just turn to me and look at me for a while. but, you know, i thought it came off pretty well. my objective going into this, norah, was to come away feeling that people got a better understanding of who these people were and what they're all about. and i kind of felt like that that may have happened last night. >> we get to see their demeanor on camera, the way they're looking at each other in that split screen. you get to see them up close and personal. is there a lot of attention between these two men? >> well, i don't think they're going to be doing a lot of cookouts together with their families after the election. but i thought they handled themselves with great dignity this time around. this was spirited. the elbows were sharp. but i thought this was worthy of a debate about the presidency. and i -- it also gives me a greater appreciation, norah, of just how hard these problems are. you know, most of the easy problems have already been solved. what's on the plate of the next president, whoever that's going to be, are very, very difficult things, and as you saw last night, on many of these issues, they're fairly close on it. but you also saw, they think this election is going to be about the economy, and both did everything they could to get it over to the economy and domestic issues whenever they could. >> bob, you prepared hard for this and that was evident. what surprised you about the debate last night that was unexpected for you? >> i was -- i mean, i did know this was a debate about foreign policy. i was a little bit surprised, you know, as i just said, about the fact that both really did want to talk about economic issues. i kind of let them go on that. they got into education at one point. they went on about that for a while. well, you know, there are a lot of people like stan mcchrystal, used to be the commander of our forces in afghanistan, who will tell you that they think that education is the basis and the beginning of our national security. and so i found that interesting that they both wanted to talk about that. when we let that run for a while, i tried to get them back on more specific foreign policy questions. but i found that quite interesting, and to me, charlie, indicative of what they think the campaign ought to be about. this is their campaign. and i thought people ought to have an opportunity to see what they thought it should be about. >> as important as it was, some are suggesting that despite the president having won, that the governor passed certain tests he had to pass, being presidential, not making any mistakes, and that he won in that way, and so now the crucial question is what do they do between now and election day? what do you think they have to do? >> well, i mean, look, i think that both of these men are qualified to be president of the united states. these are two moral men. these are people of good values on both sides and they're both intelligent men. i'm not going to pick a president. i'm going to leave that to the people to decide that. but i thought we got a good and maybe a little better sense of who each of these men was last night. i felt in that sense, i came away feeling pretty good about it. >> bob, hang with us for a bit. after the debate last night, we got reaction from both running mates. first, i asked vice president joe biden about romney's claim that the u.s. should do more to stop iran's nuclear ambitions. >> iran's more isolated today than it was when we took office. iran had significant influence, not only in the shia world but in the sunni world. the world was split on iran. we were viewed as somehow by the rest of the world as being too unilateral. today it is isolated. but the only thing that i heard -- maybe i missed something -- governor romney say tonight was that he would have done it sooner. when in fact, before he was -- i don't know what he was saying before. >> governor romney in the past has been very tough of your administration's handling of the security situation in benghazi, libya, and the protection of our diplomats there. tonight, he took a pass on that particular issue. but i do have to ask you about a piece that was in "the wall street journal" this morning. they reported that the president was told in his presidential daily briefing for more than a week after that siege that the assault grew out of a spontaneous protest and that the cia did not change that assessment until september 22nd. i read that story and i thought how is it that the contents of the president's daily brief is now in the pages of "the wall street journal" to help explain your administration's point of view? how could that happen? >> i don't know how that happened, except that i know that the head of the director of central intelligence said everything that the president said, that i said, that susan rice said, that was stated was exactly what the talking points the intelligence community was giving us and briefing us on. >> let's now talk about the state of this campaign. we're just two weeks out from election day. the tone has changed a bit. you guys are now using terms like romnesia and sketchy to talk about romney and ryan. what happened to hope and change? >> well, there's still a great deal of hope and change. also talking about the fact that 41 states, the unemployment rate has gone down. the housing market is beginning to come back. we're finally turning the corner. 5,200,000 new jobs. laying out to plan to create new jobs. but the thing is the attacks being made by our friends seem to change every day. i mean, they have gone from rattling the sabre to being doves carrying peace -- i don't know what they stand for. >> well, romney and ryan say these are petty attacks and they're silly word games. are they an indication that you're worried because the polls have closed? we have a new poll out from cbs news in ohio that shows the president, and your lead has been reduced from ten points to five points. are you worried you may lose this election? >> no, i'm not. look, we knew this election -- you knew this, norah, you're one of the most -- you knew this election was going to tighten up. no matter who our opponent was. it's totally appropriate to point out that governor romney and congressman ryan have moved their positions drastically. they probably haven't changed them internally, but they keep running away from the idea that there's not a $5 trillion tax cut. i mean, these are things that they've been running on. this has been the staple of this republican party. massive cuts in domestic spending. significant increases in tax cuts for the wealthy. and now they're saying no, no, no. that's not who we are. i think it's totally legitimate to say, then who are you? >> on that note, mr. vice president, we have to go. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, norah. >> we also spoke with republican vice presidential candidate paul ryan. he was also staying up late after the debate. i asked him if governor romney should have pushed harder on the libya issue. >> it's been a story of changing stories by the administration. we didn't want to go into all the litigation of it because what mitt romney wanted to do was lay out his vision for the country. how do you have a strong economy, which makes for a strong national defense and strong america. >> but it seemed in the debate that governor romney seemed to be bending over backwards to agree with the president on multiple occasions, sort of saying he concurred with president obama. why did he fail to draw some of the distinctions tonight? >> there are some things we agree with. we agree with the decision to go after osama bin laden. we agree with the continuation of the bush drone policy. where we disagree is in the president's poor handling of the iranian situation. iran is four years closer to a nuclear weapon. the administration fought us on sanctions in congress on a bipartisan basis for years until we finally got bipartisan support to overwhelm the president's position. now we have the sanctions in place. what we also disagreed with was on the defense policy. this trillion-dollar cut in defense will devastate our defense, make us weak, project weakness abroad, and i think mitt romney did a great job of contrasting that. >> but on military spending, that was one of the sharpest exchanges in the debate. president obama said this is not a game of battleship. yes, there aren't as many ships, but there aren't as many horses and bayonets. that's a pretty tough attack. >> to compare modern american battleships and navy with bayonets -- i just don't understand that comparison. look, we have to have a strong navy to keep peace and prosperity and sea lanes open. the president's -- if all these defense cuts go through, our navy will be smaller than it was before world war i. that's not acceptable. and yes, the ocean hasn't shrunk. you still have to have enough ships to have a footprint that you need to keep sea lanes open, to keep our strength abroad where it needs to be. >> can i ask you to talk about your position on syria. we have heard governor romney in the past say that you would work to ensure that the opposition obtains the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets. does that mean you would be willing to supply the opposition with heavy weaponry? >> well, so what we've always said is that we want to work with our allies in the region. the turks, the saudis, in identifying the good allies in syria who are syrians fighting against the bashar regime -- >> i asked that, congressman -- forgive me. >> i'm trying to explain to you. >> when he said obtain the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks, helicopters and fighter jets. you need some pretty heavy weaponry to defeat tanks, helicopters, and fighter jets, correct? >> through open source, we already know that they have what we call man pads. we already know that the free syrian army, that people in syria already have the kinds of weapons to do just that. here's the problem with delaying so long. here's the problem with going over a year and a half and not having leadership. bad actors are joining this fight. al qaeda is coming into syria. >> and what is your position on one-on-one negotiations with iran? do you see a scenario where that could ever happen? >> sure. we've always said that we're willing to talk, but we're not going to take off sanctions. we're not going to lessen anything. we're not going to give any kind of talk, whether they're multi-lateral or bilateral as an excuse to delay sanctions. we've got to keep pushing sanction. we have to have harder sanctions. we have to do all of the list of things that governor romney said, and if they want to talk, that's fine. but we're not going to seize or put any kind of temporary hold on any kinds of sanctions as a condition of talking. no preconditions, but if they want to talk, that is perfectly fine. >> congressman ryan, thank you for joining us. >> you bet, norah. >> bob schieffer is back with us. two weeks to go before election day. what happens in these next two weeks? or can you even focus on that? >> i have no idea. i have been so zoned in on trying to get this debate going and talking the people about it. i mean, my clock kind of stopped at 10:30 last night. >> have you ever seen it this tight at the end? >> no, this is going to be very close and it's going to go right down to the wire. i mean, you've got all kinds of things. i think there's a real possibility you might see one win the popular vote and the other win the electoral vote. you could have an electoral tie, a vote tie, which means it goes onto the house of representatives next year. i mean, there is just no telling what might happen. it may all come down, as it did in 2000, to right here in florida. it's not going to be a landslide this year. i'd bet money on that. i'm not betting a cent on anything else. >> we'll be together on election night following that. congrats on a good debate. we turn now to bad weather out west. at least two tornados touched down in northern california monday, causing minor damage. one of them hit north of sacramento, knocked down trees and power lines. and other structures south of sacramento, damaging some buildings. there are no reports of mitt romney hears from conservative critics after last night's debate. some say he didn't hit president obama hard enough on libya. this morning, we'll talk with bill o'reilly about the debate and what might happen in the next two weeks. and a kennedy in court. rfk's son douglas faces prosecutors who claim he endangered his newborn son. we'll take you inside the courtroom and tell you how the case made it to trial on "cbs this morning." 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welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm norwich city in boca raton, florida. and charlie rose is in new york. >> bill o'reilly hosts "the "o'reilly factor"" on fox news. his latest book is number one on "the new york times" bestseller list, but get this, number five on "the new york times" bestseller list is "killing lincoln." welcome. >> thank you, charlie. and i appreciate you buying all those books for me. >> somebody's buying them, i can tell you that. >> that's for sure. a half million sold. >> you stayed up late last night. do you agree with the consensus that president obama won the debate? >> i agree that the debate was the most boring debate that i've seen i think in my lifetime. i don't know how anybody could have gotten through 90 minutes. it was just stupefyingly dull. >> so tell me what you thought the str the strategies of the two camps was. >> i think governor romney's strategy was to appeal to women. that's why he didn't do any libyan stuff. he didn't confront. his main mantra was, well, criticizing me, mr. president, isn't going to get the foreign policy job done. he wanted the come across as softer to women because that's what he needs to win the election. >> do you think that worked? >> i have no idea. i'm not a woman. so i don't know. >> i'll leave that. >> it's inexplicable that governor romney did not question -- and neither did bob schieffer -- the president about libya, which is the hottest foreign policy story in the world, and it was just like ignored. so that's inexplicable. now, on president obama's part, i think he wants to show mitt romney as an amateur. >> right. >> let's just get it across this guy's an amateur. he's a poser. so in that way, the president was effective. because he kept bringing up -- hey, you're changing your positions, you don't know what you're doing. so he really had a very sharply focused strategy, much more aggressive. >> i think bob schieffer's first question was about libya. >> it doesn't matter, charlie. and i'm not knocking bob schieffer here. all three of the debate moderators will not press the issue like you do on "60 minutes." >> so you want to see a more aggressive moderation. >> i want answers to the questions. if you're going to say we have to be pakistan's friend, as governor romney did, then you're going to have to explain how you get there when pakistan is actively killing u.s. soldiers. not just say well, we have to be their friend. well, how are you going to do that? when you've got a scientist in prison for helping us get osama bin laden. those questions aren't asked. >> but the moderator is trying to get something happening. he's trying to get the candidates to engage each other. it seems to me that the criticism you're making goes to governor romney not to anyone else because the moderator -- the goal here was to get them to engage each other. >> but that doesn't happen. >> that lies are governor romney. >> all right, i reject that whole thesis right away. i think that the goal to engage the two candidates -- i don't think that's the goal that the moderator should be anyway. >> you're defining a different moderator. >> here's what the goal of the debate should be, with all due respect to you, to show the american public who the stronger candidate is. and you know how you do that? by holding their feet to the fire on certain things that don't make sense. that's the goal of the debate. who's the stronger candidate? what's best for america? not to have these two guys mud wrestle. that would be fine if they did it, but this isn't a cable news program. this is a presidential debate. >> you want the presidential debate to be a cable news program. >> i want it to be more like that in the sense that i want to get some illumination. they walk in with rehearsed answers in all three debates and they get to spill them out like this. >> meaning the public can't make sense because both people are saying exactly contradictory things. >> can i ask you a question? >> sure. >> did you learn one thing during that debate last night? >> one. i learned that perhaps governor romney believes he's ahead and therefore he took an approach not to be as confrontational as some expected him to be. >> that's a perception on your part, right? so you didn't learn anything. because i didn't learn anything. i didn't learn one thing. >> there was nothing there that they said about those issues that i did not know or have not engaged on this program and others. >> so why are we wasting 90 minutes of the american public's time if we're not learning anything. >> well, i think they probably learned something about the two candidates by watching. even though it might not have been a specific point on a specific issue. i mean, there is something about demeanor, there's something about temperament. there's something about how they handle themselves under the glare. >> well, then let's get dr. phil. >> oh, stop that. you couldn't have done better in terms of the kinds of people who are making an analysis and assessment of this than the guys who are doing the moderation. >> i disagree. i think that the moderators of these debates have to come in with a "60 minutes" mentality and ask questions and get answers. >> let's go to the libya one quickly. what is it that you believe about libya that is unanswered for you? >> i believe that the obama administration lost control of their ambassador in libya and then after he was assassinated, tried to sell -- >> what do you mean by lost control? >> they lost control of him in a sense that they did not protect him. so there was a security issue, that he was not protected. >> big issue. >> and then after he was assassinated, let's try to sell this. >> you're suggesting that they used politics here? that they, in fact, were not listening to the cia and other government agencies, that the president simply was not listening to what he received in terms of briefing from the cia? because basically the cia has said that they haven't deny whad th -- denied what they told the president. >> it wouldn't be fair to lay it at barack obama's doorstep because he's campaigning. i don't know what he knew. i just know it was a monumental screw-up that should be explained. >> and four americans were killed. >> that's right. >> bill o'reilly, "killing kennedy." what do you tell us here that we didn't know about the assassination. >> we basically tell you why lee harvey oswald did it. >> this is because of an interview that took place by somebody's wife? >> this was the fbi agent who was assigned to maria oswald. had never spoken before to anyone. we got every movement. >> what did she say that is crucial to know? >> he basically was a loser and wanted to be a great man. and when he had the opportunity to kill someone, he figured that would make him a great man. it was basically a suicide. oswald committed suicide. >> it was more about ego than it was about ideology. >> nothing about ideology. he didn't even dislike jfk. >> what is this business about the american desire to understand conspiracies and assassinations? do you believe there was a conspiracy here at all? >> no, and i think we show that beyond a reasonable doubt. there were some people around lee harvey oswald that should not have been there. i can't explain it and i tell the reader that. but he did it and he did it for his own venal reasons. the worthiness of this book is that it's not only about kennedy's death, but it's about how he governed the country. how john f. kennedy governed. in the beginning, he was bad. he was a bad president. but he became a very good president. and we take you through that, and for those of us who know where we were when kennedy was assassinated, it answers all the questions. >> and you have said to me in the past, you became a very big admirer of robert kennedy, his brother. >> that's right. and that's shown in the book, how robert kennedy was -- john kennedy brought him in to turn his administration around, and rfk was very effective there. >> cuban missile crisis and other places. thank you. >> any time. glad i woke you up here. >> the man who wants to be a moderator. president kennedy's nephew is in thenews. we will hear from both sides when "cbs this morning" continues. 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>> no, i'm not. you knew this election was going to be tight. no matter who our opponent was. >> what happens in these next two weeks? >> i have no idea. all i can say is there's not going to be a landslide this year. at least two tornados touched down in northern california monday causing minor damage. i believe that the obama administration lost control of their ambassador in libya, and then after he was assassinated, they went wholly you know what let's try to sell this. >> you're suggesting that they used politics, that they, in fact, were not listening to the cia? >> it's been very difficult for douglas and his family. rfk's son douglas faces prosecutors who claim he endangered his newborn son. >> my guess is that this judge is constantly saying to the lawyers involved, look, can we do something here? can we do something to make this go away? lance armstrong was formally stripped of his seven tour de france titles due to his doping scandal. on the plus side, he did just receive a nobel prize in chemistry. i'm charlie rose with gayle king. norwich city is in boca raton, florida, where the presidential candidates debated foreign policy and other issues last night. cbs news took an instant poll of uncommitted voters. >> and 53% of them said president obama won the debate. 23% said governor mitt romney won. 24% called it a tie. the poll asked voters in the candidates can be trusted to handle an international crisis. 71% said they trust the president. 49% said they trust governor romney. and clearly, some people chose both. >> this debate was supposed to focus on foreign policy. however, the candidates did not miss a chance to discuss the number one issue in this election, and that is the economy. they also butted heads on several issues. >> governor, when it comes to foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s. >> attacking me is not an agenda. attacking me is not talking about how we're going to deal with the challenges that exist in the middle east. our navy is smaller now than any time since 1917. the navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. we're now down to 285. we're headed down to the low 200s if we go through a sequestration. >> you look at the navy and how we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. we also have fewer horses and bayonets. >> in order to fill our role in the world, america must be strong. america must lead. for that to happen, we have to strengthen our economy here at home. >> both at home and abroad, he has proposed wrong and reckless policies. he has praised george bush as a good economic steward and dick cheney as somebody who shows great wisdom and judgment. >> the president began what i called an apology tour of going to various nations in the middle east and criticizing america. i think they looked at that and saw weakness. >> nothing governor romney said is true, starting with this notion of me apologizing. this has been probably the biggest whopper that's been told during the course of this campaign. >> i want to make sure that we make america more competitive. >> i said if i got bin laden in our sights, i would take that shot. you said we shouldn't move heaven and earth to get one man. >> i congratulate him on taking out osama bin laden and going after the leadership in al qaeda. but we can't kill our way out of this mess. >> what we can't do is go back to the same policies that got us into such difficulty in the first place. that's why we have to move forward and not go back. >> i couldn't agree more about going forward, but i certainly don't want to go back to the policies of the last four years. >> and now major garrett is here with us. good morning, major. >> good morning, norah. >> we hear the witnesses are tearing down the stage. >> presidential commission, tear down the stage. >> speaking of tearing down, there was some of that in last night's debate. president obama accusing mitt romney of having a reckless and wrong foreign policy. what about that top sound byte from the debate about horses and bayonets. president obama sounded patronizing. was it too patronizing? >> look, that statement about horses and bayonets, top searched statement after the debate on google, so it resonated. and after the debate, all the president's advisers said that was his idea, his thought. i think if the president stopped right there, the point would have made. but then he went on with this gratuitous jag about we have aircraft carriers, we land planes on them. these things under water, they're called nuclear submarines. it felt like he was taking his sleeve, rolling it back and saying here's my disdain for you, governor romney, but i'm not sure that's exactly the kind of moment that the president would prize the most. voters might say it felt a little harsh. >> one other interesting point that you picked up, president obama on the issue of sequestration, the automatic defense cuts that many people are worried about. the president said it will not happen. did he go too far? >> it sounds like latin, reads like greek, translates to money. both automatic spending cuts on the defense side, pentagon and the domestic side. president flatly declared, it's not going to happen. talked to obama advisers afterwards, what did he men? the translation is we're going to win, we're going to raise taxes and that's how we're not going to cut defense, which is an interesting proposition if you are a liberal democrat in the senate. wait a minute, we're going to raise taxes on the wealthy and with that revenue, we're not going to save the domestic side of our budget from cuts, we're going to give it to the pentagon? i'm just saying that's the president's perspective. he didn't explain that but his advisers did afterwards. politically, that's going to be tough for the president to go down that road. >> major, charlie rose in new york. most people believe that the president won the debate, but they also suggest that governor romney executed his plan. do the romney people believe -- what assumptions were they operating on in this election and about what they had to do? >> afterwards, the romney advisers i talked to said, in so many words, we held our new base. not our old base of conservative republicans who were a little bit put out, if you would, by the governor's lack of confrontation with the president on a couple of issues. libya and iran are the top two. his new base, newly converted, probably suburban women or lightly aligned republican leaning men, who looked at governor romney anew in the last two weeks and found someone the romney campaign believes was presidential, did not rise to the nagging criticism from the president on certain issues, and in the main, did not appear eager to launch new american-backed military conflicts. not in iran, not in syria, and at that level, they believe they made a persuasive appeal to them, also talking about bipartisanship and the need to find some consensus in foreign policy. it's kind of a nuanced argument, but the romney campaign believes in this debate they were not going to draw any political blood at the point of the nuance. >> major, aides for both side said their candidates both left the stage happy. is it a sign of a successful desfwhat bid debate? bill o'reilly called it boring. how would you characterize it? you were there. >> i'm a bit wonkier than bill o'reilly, so i loved it. the one thing i would think governor romney would want to do again if he had a chance is he opened with a criticism of what's happening in the middle east, and where the arab spring is or is not going. he didn't explain how he would change the die unanimous nick that region himself with a brand-new policy. for voters tuning in for that, they missed it. but that one aspect seems striking. as far as the happiness afterwashington, d.c. i think that's because the debate season is over. >> norah, there was a great line in "the new york post" this morning, please tell bob schieffer. a tweet said bob schieffer is the brad pitt of boca raton. >> whoa! thanks for passing that on, gayle. bob is going to like that one. >> and i'm the billy bob thornton, just for the record the tech world is talking about windows 8 this morning. microsoft's new operating system is so different, some people are already complaining about it. we'll show you why it's such a big change coming up next on "cbs this morning." ing up earlyr like a better breakfast so on august eighth we woke up a sleepy town to show that eating well can be easy and delicious with jennie-o turkey bacon and sausage cooked thoroughly to 165 definitely very good it's excellent this is delicious makes me want to eat breakfast more it's time for a better breakfast i can't stop eating this make the switch look for jennie-o at a store near you but kate -- still looks like...kate. nice'n easy with colorblend technology gives expert highlights and lowlights. for color that's true to you. i don't know how she does it. with nice'n easy, all they see is you. just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. plus a valuable coupon. living with moderate to semeans living with pain.is it could also mean living with joint damage. help relieve the pain and stop the damage with humira, adalimumab. for many adults with moderate to severe ra, humira is clinically proven to help relieve pain and stop joint damage. so you can treat more than just the pain. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer, have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. ask your rheumatologist about humira, to help relieve pain and stop further joint damage before they stop you. ♪ come to my window crawl inside wait by the light of the moon ♪ microsoft is launching a new operating system for personal computers this week, and pc users are about to get a surprise, or maybe a shock. >> windows 8 looks nothing like the windows millions of people around the world have become accustomed to. jeff gore has seen it and he joins us now with a preview. jeff, hello to you. >> hello, gayle. microsoft says this is not a makeover, but a complete re-imagining of what windows should be. we talked to a few users to see if they're ready. to start with, there's no start button. >> the start menu is not very obvious, but i assume it's here somewhere. >> microsoft ads indicate the operating system is easy to use. but whether you're currently using a pc or a mac, windows 8 can be a bit of a shock. >> escape? uh-oh. i mean, back? shift? i just think escape would be the easiest way would be the easiest way to get out. how can i escape? no hits, huh? >> at its heart, it's full of touch-centric tiles that guide users around. not traditional lists and icons. colorful, but not so catered to users of a mouse. a peek ahead to the future of tablet and mobile computing. >> let's see how many here. >> how do i open it? how do i get anywhere? oh. >> the multiple users we asked to try it all had different levels of experience. >> what are your initial impressions? >> it is clean and fast. i like it's less cluttered. >> i think it seems more user friendly. >> does it seem like something you'd expect from microsoft? >> it's not their usual style to have colors and things. >> for the most part, they liked the layout, but they were frequently frustrated by thousand get where they wanted to go. >> i think there's always that hard transition. when we went from one version to the next version, it takes a minute, but it's never been this difficult. >> microsoft founder bill gates says the new look is a nod to what's next. >> the rich user interface, it's a big step. it's key to where personal computing is going. >> but with this radical redesign, the company is taking a big risk, hoping it results in a big reward. windows 8 goes on sale on friday, the same day they release their tablet computer, the microsoft surface. also the same week that apple is announcing the ipad mini, the wave of the future, charlie and gayle. >> oh, boy. another new gadget. thank you, jeff. with us now is brian cooley, editor at large for cnet.com. brian, good morning. >> good morning, guys. >> as we just saw, a lot of the consumers are already pretty frustrated. what does that mean for microsoft and how much do they have riding on it? >> jeff's focus group there does point out a key difference with windows 8, in that when you get there, it looks like it could also live on a tablet or a phone. a similar look is also now found on the xbox. and this is going to be microsoft's reunion, if you will. they need to bring all their different worlds, computers, phones, tablets and consoles together so that when we get in front of any of them, you always know that the gas pedal is on the right, if you will. need a consistency here. and this is their effort to do that and kind of bring all their assets together in one universe the way that apple has done very well. >> so do they achieve that? >> i like the way this works, particularly on touch devices. we've had a number of early sample tablets and phones in our building for this kind of testing, and it does have a learning curve, charlie. a lot of things are not as intuitive as i think you would find on an ipad, but there's also i think in many ways a lot more going on here because this is a class of products -- tablets in particular, that can be both computers as well as media tablets. the ipad doesn't try to be a computer. it doesn't try to bring you the mac. it's just an ipad. whereas some of these microsoft tablets are going to try to be both a windows machine and a tablet. >> and big announcement coming out from apple today with the new ipad mini. already have the iphone, thanks to charlie rose. her name is charlotte. i have the ipad. do people now really need an ipad mini? >> well, this is going to be an interesting question, gayle. it's a matter of your behavior. do you feel as if the phone is not enough real estate, and you like to have more on the go? and if you do, you probably want to have a tablet. but a ten-inch tablet, that's a big piece of luggage to carry around. i really like these new seven-inch ones that apple is having to respond to because they're actually pocketable. >> but will that cannibalize the ipad as we know it? >> i have a feeling it's going to expand the market at first. there's a lot of folks who say i'm never spending $500 to $800 on a thing as big as my head and carry that around. so this is going to open up some market. but eventually, i can't see it not cannibalizing people who are then upgrading or cross-grading from their older big ipad. they may go to the smaller one next and that would presumably a less profit decision for apple. >> got it, brian. thank you so much. the race is two weeks away. when we come back, we're talking to eight undecided voters. what are they thinking after the debate last night? 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"charlie bit my finger." it's one of the most popular and enduring online videos of all time. half a billion people have watched charlie honey, don't use your sleeve. vo: for cold and flu seaso the's clorox bleach. that's what you call a high wire act here in boca raton. welcome back, everybody. i'm norwich city as they're breaking the set down here. charlie rose and gayle king are in new york. good morning, guys. >> good morning. >> good morning, norwich city. norah o'donnell. everyone is saying boca ra-tone. i always thought it was boca raton. >> duly noted. >> for months now, these candidates have been foe cushion on that state of ohio. we've all talked about it. it's an important swing state again this year. we sent dean reynolds to visit with a bunch of people in steubenville, ohio, to see last night's debate and see if it helped them make up their minds. >> reporter: they were eight undecided voters in search of decision. >> i plan on leaving this hall knowing who i'm going to vote for. >> reporter: they sat and watched for the next 90 minutes, studying the words, the expressions, the demeanor of the men on the screen. >> i will stand with israel if they are attacked. >> when i'm president of the united states, we will stand with israel. >> did you learn things? >> yes. >> working with israel -- >> i didn't know that obama took such a stance regarding israel. it was nice to hear him take an authoritative stance that he would stand behind them. >> reporter: others thought governor romney made some good points. >> then the president began what i called an apology tour of going to various nations in the middle east and criticizing america. >> nothing governor romney just said is true. >> the part that got me about projecting strength over in the middle east, especially, was governor romney's accusations about the apology tour. and what i didn't hear was really an answer. >> reporter: several thought both men had strikingly similar positions on a host of issues. >> i want to underscore the same point the president made. >> their plans were sort of similar in a way, but romney just reiterated that he would put a little more emphasis on what obama was saying. it seemed more like romney was the one saying i agree, i agree. >> do you think they wasted time talking about domestic issues? >> i do. i think a lot of those other main talking points, any way they could segue to it, they were going to do. >> now we're going to have to get to a balanced budget. >> cutting our education budget, that's not a smart out choice. >> anybody flat-out rude? >> i thought president obama was, condescending -- about the navy remarks. >> we have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. >> several others like the civility of this encounter when compared to the town hall format. >> i thought that they both allowed each other to answer the question and i thought they were very patient with one another. i thought it was a very civil debate. >> when it was all over, they were asked who won. the president got two votes. governor romney got six. all said they had made up their minds, at least for now. >> was this the deciding factor? >> i mean, something can change tomorrow. >> after all, they still have two weeks to really, truly decide. for "cbs this morning," dean reynolds, steubenville, ohio. >> well, look there, guys. it looks like romney won in dean reynolds' focus group. >> and this was from ohio. steubenville, ohio. interesting. >> i always think it's very interesting to see the process, what people -- what resonates with people and what doesn't. because some people say the remark he made about the navy was dead-on. other people thought it was very dismissive and condescending. i always like to see what's going on in people's minds. >> i agree. >> norah o'donnell, don't forget to pass that remark on to bob schieffer. >> i will. i'm going to tell him. he'll be excited. >> thank you, norah. "cbs this morning reads", it's our new feature. our first book is "team of rivals: the political genius of abraham lincoln." it's published by simon and schuster which is a division of cbs. >> author doris kearns goodwin will join us here on november 15th. this morning we shared an excerpt from the book online along with discussion questions from goodwin. >> you'll also find new featured material, such as lincoln's rare manuscripts and images of his family's belongings provided by the abraham lincoln presidential library. it's all on cbsthismorning.com because "cbs this morning" reads. and speaking of reading, we've got an author that we know you're reading already. tom wolf's new novel is about race, class, and sex, with palm trees in the background. there he is in his iconic trademark white suit. ♪ tom wolf is one of the world's most recognizable authors. he's written more than a dozen books, including "the right stuff" and "the bonfire of the vanities." >> his latest novel is his first in eight years. "back to blood" takes place in present day miami and it is already getting a whole lot of attention. he is here in studio 57. we're pleased about that. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> you have made cities famous because of "a man in full." you're also fascinated by the immigrant experience. is that what led you to miami? >> that is how it began. and this was -- actually, i was still working on my last book when i got the idea. and i would tell people -- i was thinking about something on immigration. all of that sounds great. go to sleep like a horse standing up. but it gradually got more interesting. >> and then you go to the city, the city of miami. this was what they thought about tom wolf. that he would be a prima donna in a white suit, that he would come into town -- because the research that you do is painstaking. you go to miami and you just sort of walk along the streets meeting and talking to people. and the thing that they were saying, charlie, is how is -- does a guy in a bright white suit blend in? but you did. >> my approach is always the same. >> what is your process? >> i'm just going to a big room saying -- and i find people will be on guard for the first 30 minutes to an hour. because here's somebody asking them questions. but if you get through an hour, or an hour and a half with somebody -- >> you spend that much time? >> well, if necessary. they'll drop their guard. they're tired of keeping up the guard. it's hard to be always careful of what you're saying. >> what are you looking for? >> in this case, i really did want to see what the -- how these different races and cultures and nationalities blended together. pieces of steel that never melted. >> can we talk about your look, tom wolf? because a lot has been made about your white suit. somebody's got to get a shot of his shoes. explain the shoes, please. >> the shoes really are the last frontier. there's nowhere else to go. >> this is for men? >> for men, yeah. there's no stopping them. >> but why the white suit? why the white suit always? >> the white suit was a -- happened naturally. i had just gotten a job, the ambition of my newspaper career in new york. the "new york herald tribune." it gets hot here in june. i was hired in june. and those days, reporters had to wear a jacket and tie. i think if you do that today, you're fired. at that time, you had to do that. so i went into a store and i saw a white suit. so i bought it because in the south where i grew up, it was nothing unusual. >> a lot of white suits in richmond. >> oh, yeah. it was either white linen -- >> i have a couple of those myself. >> charlie? >> the jacket. a sport jacket. >> okay. >> let me ask you one last thing. you became part of what's called new journalism. >> yes. >> where is journalism today? >> i'll give you two names. michael lewis. >> yes. >> and mark bodden. >> michael lewis is great and mark bodden is great. but what you did and what tommy hopson way back when really redefined the way you could understand personality. and so it's good to have you here. >> well, thank you very much. i did that until i was 57. i said i think i'll try a novel. >> the book is called "back to blood." >> it goes on sale today. one simple video has been seen online half a billion times. that's with a b. this morning we'll show you what the charlie bit my finger brothers are doing now. and the ufr . ladies and gentlemen, adele has given birth to a baby boy. [ applause ] yeah, witnesses say adele howled in agony for nearly ten hours, then had to cut her recording session short when she went into labor. >> oh! not nice. i like adele. don't you like adele? >> yes, i do. >> we like adele here, conan. norah, you like adele? >> i absolutely love adele. i'm happy for her. congratulations. >> that's three against one for conan o'brien. now an update on a beloved online video that turned two brothers into an internet sensation. as mark phillips reports, they're back after nine years cashing in on their now famous catch phrase. >> reporter: in the youtube age, every family video is a business opportunity, especially probably the most successful family video of all. the one that stars harry davys carr and his baby brother charlie, and that produced the memorial line -- >> charlie bit me. charlie bit me. charlie! >> reporter: as enduring lines from the movies go, "charlie bit me" may not be "this isn't kansas anymore," or "frankly my dear, i don't give a damn," but after being viewed almost half a billion times in five years since the video was released, it's become the catch phrase ticket for a lucrative charlie bit my finger family business guided by the boy's father howard. >> we've never gone out to look to find income from it. it's things have come along, people have suggested things and we've taken them up on that. >> charlie bit your finger. >> cue the commercial, this time for pasta sauce. now aged 8 and 6, harry and charlie may seem a little bored with celebrity. >> what was that like? >> not fun. >> about six hours for only 32 second. >> but they still know what they're there for. some things never change. >> i know it's exciting, biting a finger. >> the success of "charlie bit my finger" is reflected in download numbers and t-shirt sales. what is harder to understand is why. >> i think the whole scene is -- you don't need to understand the lang wauage to watch it. it's something which seems to capture so many different emotions and things going on that there's something there for everybody. >> reporter: including big brands looking for new angles. nothing sells like cute, says media critic barbara lippert. >> i think there's a big future in advertising mining, social media and mining youtube. the problem is if it gets overused, it's just another fad that people get sick of. >> reporter: brotherly rivalry has sold as an idea since cain and abel. but who's the star here, the biter or the bitee? >> it has to be me. i'm the one that put the finger there, and there again. >> i bite it. >> but you were a little child and you didn't know what you were doing. >> reporter: chew on that. for "cbs this morning," i'm mark phillips in london. >> i'm thinking when he said cute always works. cute always works in a video, don't you think? >> i think so. thank god for tetanus shots. parents everywhere would be getting their kids to bite each other's fingers. >> good to have you here, mo. >> speaking of cute, mo admits he's cute and he can't cook. >> grandmother can cook. >> his grandmother can cook. so naturally he has a new show on the cooking channel, but he will have help from experts, his grandparents. his show is called "my grandmother's ravioli." >> i'm going to put you to work and i'm going to work. can you do this? >> sure. i feel like i need to work on my pronunciation. >> i know it's a tough word. don't spit. superb. you are the best. >> i like your grandmother, don't you? >> that's ruth. that's one of the grandmothers. what was so funny -- charlie, you started cracking up before ruth, the grandmother, who is not your real grandmother, another grandmother, before she even said anything, he was laughing. i'm going to show you how to cook. there's something about seeing grandmothers in character, being themselves is really very amusing. >> yeah, it's an international language, isn't it? >> yes, that's what it is. and every grandparent i'm learning from in this series, 13 different episodes, has been great. i've been adopted by all of them. >> different ideas for a grandmother favorite segment? >> absolutely, yeah. my grandmother passed years ago, and i never learned to cook from her. so i'm doing the next best thing, which is i'm learning from everybody else's grandparents how to cook. >> that was your great omission, you never got her to teach you to cook. >> i was very close to her, but i never showed up early for family meals to actually learn how to make her ravioli or anything else that she made. and it's been a joy just going -- this is the easiest job i've ever had, the most fun, just going into other grandparents' homes and their kitchens and not just learning how to cook, but why they cook. >> because it really is so much more than about the food. as great as the food is, isn't it more than just the food? >> absolutely. these are people who are at a point in their lives where things have really crystallized, what really matters. they're in a kitchen, a place that they love cooking for people that they love, for their families, for their friends. every episode culminates in a family meal and i get to meet all these different family members. oftentimes you think how could these individuals be related to each other? but they're sitting around one table, which is what's beautiful about a family. >> how did you select the grandmothers? >> well, you know, it's tricky, because i'm reluctant to call it reality tv because that suggests the toxic sludge that most reality tv is. but the irony is that people that don't really want to be on tv are usually better on tv than people who desperately want to be on tv. so these are not like -- these are people who he had to find to convince to be on tv because their lives are full and being on tv is way down on the list of priorities. >> what do you find most satisfying doing on television? something where you can be involved with real people? >> yes. i find that when i can participate in a story without stepping on it and perform to some degree, that's really fun. and to bring out people who aren't celebrities, and to bring out their personalities is a joy. >> what was fun was that there was a little party in mo's honor last night and a lot of the grandmothers were there. to a t, all of them said about you that you're smart, funny, hilarious, and you all made them feel so comfortable. i asked ruth, i said were you nervous with mo? she said why would i be nervous with him? she said i'm in my kitchen using my own pots and fans. >> and she taught us how to make creplak. >> it sounds like a cat with a hairball. and she goes no, it doesn't. >> it's amazing. it's not a species of fish. >> i've never had it. >> it's a combination of white fish and pike and it's poached and made into a ball. it's fluffy and wonderful. if it comes out of a jar, it's dangerous. you've got to make it homemade. >> thank you very much. good to have you here. norah, come back soon. thank you. >> great to see you. mo, i love the chemistry you have with grandmothers. >> thank you, norah. hurry up and become a grandmother. become a very young grandmother and you'll be on the show. >> that does it for us. happy birthday to billy miller. okay, at' havin? sunny-de up g, d,h... make a doue.ll havther ilyour own bgers are now atenny's. inspirion ca come from ywhere