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The explosion that killed 29 coal miners in a mine run by the man known as the king of coal, who became the first c. E. O. Of a Major American Company convicted of a Workplace Safety crime. This was a coal mine and a company that was, not an exaggeration to say run, as a criminal enterprise. This can be likened to a Drug Organization and the defendant was the kingpin. Stahlr]tw im going to giveu 1,000. Oh, youre tipping with it. Thank you very much. God bless you. Stahl if you want to see the future of money, go to the slums of nairobi. So wonderful stahl whats happening today in kenya is a banking breakthrough right up there with the invention of the credit card and the a. T. M. It is often referred to as kenyas alternative currency, but safer and more secure. Stahl youre texting money. You are effectively texting money. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im Anderson Cooper im bill whitaker. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. 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The man who is supposed to stop that attack is john brennan, the director of the c. I. A. And tonight, in a rare interview first broadcast in february, we hear from brennan about a world of trouble and we start with the most pressing danger. Is isis coming here . John brennan i think isil does want to eventually find its, its mark here. Pelley youre expecting an attack in the United States . Brennan im expecting them to try to put in place the operatives, the material or whatever else that they need to do or to incite people to carry out these attacks clearly. So i believe that their attempts are inevitable. I dont think their successes necessarily are. Pelley can you explain to the folks watching this interview why these people want to kill us . How does attacking the United States further their interests . Brennan i think theyre trying to provoke a clash between the west and the muslim world, or the world that they are in as a way to gain more adherents. Because what they are claiming is that the United States is trying to take over their countries which is the furthest thing from the truth. Pelley paris was a failure of intelligence. All but one of the eight terrorists were french citizens, trained by isis in syria. They returned, unnoticed, and attacked six locations kngilli 130 people. What did you learn from paris . Brennan that there is a lot that isil probably has underway that we dont have obviously full insight into. We knew the system was blinking red. We knew just in the days before that isil was trying to carry out something. But the individuals involved have been able to take advantage of the newly available means of communication that are that are walled off, from Law Enforcement officials. Pelley youre talking about encrypted internet communications. Brennan yeah, im talking about the very sophisticated use of these technologies and communication systems. Pelley after paris you told your people what . Brennan weve got to work harder. We have to work harder. We need to have the capabilities, the technical capabilities, the human sources. We need to be able to have advanced notice about this so that we can take this the steps to stop them. Believe me, Intelligence Security services have stopped numerous attacks operatives that have been moved from maybe the iraq to syria theater into europe. They have been stopped and interdicted and arrested and detained and debriefed because of very, very good intelligence. Pelley but the failure in paris allowed isis to attack with bombs and assault rifles. And brennan told us theres more in their arsenal. Does isis have chemical weapons . Brennan we have a number of instances where isil has used battlefield. Pelley artillery shells. Brennan sure. Yeah. Pelley isis has access to chemical artillery shells . Brennan uhhuh. There are reports that isis has access to chemical precursors and munitions that they can use. Pelley the c. I. A. Believes that isis has the ability to manufacture small quantities of chlorine and mustard gas. And the capability of exporting those chemicals to the west . Brennan i think theres always the potential for that. This is why its so important to cut off the various transportation routes and smuggling routes that they have used. Pelley are there American Assets on the ground right now hunting this down . Brennan the u. S. Intelligence is actively involved in in being a part of the effort to destroy isil and to get as much insight into what they have on the ground inside of syria and iraq. Pelley john brennan has worked at the c. I. A. For most of 36 years, ever since he saw a want ad while he was in graduate and he was a high ranking executive here during the recent controversies, iraqs phantom weapons of mass destruction and 9 11. Do you think of water boarding as a dark time in the history of your agency . Brennan sure. Water boarding was something that was authorized. It was something that i do not believe was appropriate. It is something that is not used now and as far as im concerned will not be used again. Pelley you were in management here at the time. You didnt stop it. Brennan no. I had expressed to a few people my misgivings and concerns about it, but no, i did not, you know, slam my fists on a desk. I did not go in and say we shouldnt be doing this. I think long and hard about what i maybe should have done more of at the time. But it was a different time. The ashes of World Trade Center were still smoldering. We knew that other waves of attacks were planned and some that were underway. Pelley in thar before 9 11 the c. I. A. Had a covert action plan to attack al qaeda in afghanistan. The administration at that time said, dont do that. We have time. Well deal with this later. And then 9 11 happened. Is this administration making the same mistake now . Brennan well you know there are a lot of options that are presented to this administration as well as to previous administrations and the president has pursued what he believes is appropriate for us to do in order to protect the citizens of this country. Pelley what do you think our policy would be after an isis directed attack in the United States . Brennan if theres a major attack here and we had isis fingerprints on it certainly this would encourage us to be even more forceful in terms of what it is that we need to do. Pelley if our policy after an attack in the United States would be to be more forceful, why isnt that our py brennan well, i think were being as forceful as we can be in making sure that were being surgical though as well. What we dont want to do is to alienate others within that region, and have any type of indiscriminate actions that are going to lead to deaths of additional civilians. Pelley the c. I. A. Brennan leads from langley, virginia looks nothing like the agency he joined. Its grown significantly but the numbers are secret. C. I. A. Fights with its own Ground Troops and has an air force of drones. The complexity of the threats today is unprecedented; hacking, the emergence of a more aggressive china, north korea, russia and iran and countries failing all across the middle east. In addition to syria you are now dealing with failed states in libya, somalia, yemen. How do you develop intelligence in all of these countries where brennan we need to be able to operate in areas that are denied to us. We find a way to have our eyes and ears there so that we can inform our policy makers. I do think though that this is going to be more and more a feature of the future. And we here at c. I. A. Are looking at how we need to enhance our expeditionary capabilities and activities because we need to be on the front lines. Pelley well do you imagine setting up c. I. A. Bases, covert bases in many of these countries . Brennan i see c. I. A. Needing to have the presence as well as a an ability to collect intelligence and interact with the locals. And we are in fact doing that in a number of those areas. Pelley who around here has the authority to okay a drone strike . Brennan i know there are a lot of reports about the c. I. A. s role and involvement on that. And i think as you can understand im not going to dr about c. I. A. s covert action activities. Pelley do you have to accept the deaths of civilians when making a decision about using these weapons . Do you have to say, there are likely to be civilians killed here but its worth it . Brennan well, you know in war there is whats called the law of Armed Conflict that allows for proportional collateral, collateral being civilian deaths. I must tell you that the u. S. Military and the u. S. Government as a whole does an exceptionally, exceptionally strong job of minimizing to the greatest extent possible any type of collateral damage. Pelley but it isnt necessarily a shooting war that worries brennan most. His c. I. A. Is facing a new front in cyber. And to focus on it he set up the agencys first new directorate in more than 50 years. Brennan that cyber environment can pose a very, very serious and significant attack vector for our adversaries if they want to take down our infrastructure, if they transportation systems, if they want to do great damage to our financial networks. There are safeguards being put in place. But that cyber environment is one that really is the thing that keeps me up at night. Pelley do other countries have the capability of turning the lights off in the United States . Brennan having the capability but then also having the intent are two different things. I think fortunately right now those who may have the capability do not have the intent. Those who may have the intent right now i believe do not have the capability. Because if they had the capability they would deploy and employ those tools. Pelley a few months ago your personal emails were hacked. What did you learn from that, director . Brennan it shows that there are ways that individuals can get into the personal emails of anybody. Pelley is privacy dead . Brennan no. No. Privacy should never be dead. Pelley yeah, i know it shouldnt be. But is it, in fact, with these hacktivists, with these nation state actors, with all the things that weve learned about government snooping all around the world, isnt it effectively dead . Brennan you know, it interesting that people always point to the government or others, in terms of the invasion of privacy. But pelley any government . Brennan yeah, but individuals are liberally giving up their privacy, you know, sometimes wittingly and sometimes unwittingly as they give information to companies or to sales reps. Or they go out on facebook or the various social media. They dont realize though that they are then making themselves vulnerable to exploitation. Pelley when your secure phone rings in the middle of the night, whats your first thought . Brennan its usually one of two things. One, its bad news that something tragic has happened to a c. I. A officer or to u. S. Personnel. Or theres been a terrorist attack somewhere of of significance. And so when i reach for the prayer that its not that. The other, other option is that im being asked to make a decision in the middle of the night on something that may have life and death implications. Could be something related to a covert action program. Pelley have officers died on your watch . Brennan yes. Yes. Not long after i came to the agency we had an officer, a former army ranger, went back out to afghanistan. In the middle of the night he heard a an explosion at the compound next to his where his afghan compatriots were sleeping. He grabbed his gear, he went over there. Another explosion took place. Rather than taking cover he went right to the middle of the fight and started to drag his wounded afghan partners out of harms way. He was hit twice. Continued to fire, then as he was continuing to protect his colleagues and comrades, a han grenade landed not too far from him and he was mortally wounded. Pelley brennan told us that he has gone to dover, delaware to receive the remains of his fallen. But he can only go when he wont be seen, so no one will connect the body under the flag with the c. I. A. At headquarters, anonymous stars are carved for the dead. 113 in all, 31 since 9 11. And brennan presides over an annual memorial for the families. Brennan we have family members of Agency Officers who died in the 1950s whose grandchildren grandnieces and nephews come back here in order to feel a part of this agency. So its a great, great honor to be a part of this organization where, again, selfless men and their absolute best. Have we made mistakes . Yeah, we have. Do we need to be held accountable for them . Yeah. But lets not forget the sacrifices that have been made in the name of c. I. A. Cbs money watch update sponsored by committed to improving the lives of patients with afib. Good evening, financial factors the u. S. Are closed tomorrow for memorial day, on friday the Labor Department is expected to announce employers added about 170,000 workers this month, and exmen apocalypse is to win in the box office battle. This is cbs money watch. To help protect your dog or cat from fleas and ticks. With the performance you expect from a monthly topical in a nongreasy collar. Seresto® kills and repels fleas and ticks for 8 continuous months. Seresto®. From bayer. Hey there, can i help you with anything . Hey siri, whats at ts latest offer . Oh, i dont think that siri can. 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It was just after 3 00 on april 5, when a massive explosion tore through miles of underground tunnels, killing 29 miners. Prosecutors accused Don Blankenship of ignoring mine safety laws and fostering a corporate mentality that allowed Stanley Stewart it was tremendous. Im no expert, but just from what i know of what happened and the things that were torn up in there, it had to be like an atomic explosion. Cooper Stanley Stewart worked at the Upper Big Branch mine for 15 years. He was 300 feet underground and had just started his shift when the explosion occurred. Stewart i felt a little breeze of air coming from inside. And i said thats not right. Well then it got harder, and we just took off running to the outside, and looked and you could see the whoosh just keep coming and coming. Seemed like for somewhere between two and four minutes. And one of the younger guys said hey, what happened . And i said buddy, the place blew up. Cooper the explosion occurred 1,000 feet underground and nearly three miles inside the mine. These photos, taken by the mine safety and health mi seen before, and show the force of the blast. Flames moving at more than 1,500 feet per second shot through more than 2. 5 miles of underground tunnels. Investigators believe the blast was caused by a spark that ignited methane gas that had built up due to inadequate ventilation. Highly flammable coal dust that had been allowed to accumulate throughout the mine fueled the explosion. Stewart it was an early 1900s type of explosion. Conditions should never have existed for that to take place. Cooper stewart was there when some of the 29 miners hed worked sidebyside with for decades were brought to the surface. What kind of condition were they in . Stewart their faces were very black and it smelled like dynamite. Ill never forget that smell. Cooper the miners ranged in age from 20 to 61. Most were fathers. A third were killed instantly. Robert atkins, a former coal miner, and his wife shereen, lost theon the end of his shift and was heading toward the mine entrance, when he was overcome by toxic fumes. Shereen atkins the coal dust was so bad that it carried, it ignited all the way. crying . And took our sons life who was almost out of the mines. Cooper gary quarles, a 3rd generation coal miner, lost his only child gary wayne, who left behind two children. Gary quarles they lived right beside of us. And at times, we thought that wasnt a good thing for that to be like that. And then after he. crying after he got killed, i said that was a good thing. Cooper gary says he and his son never talked about safety issues in the mines but gary knew all about massey because he had worked there as well. Gary i knew how they operated. They didnt know nothing but to lie, cheat and outlaw. Thats the way they done things. Steve ruby this was a coal mine and a company that was, its not an exaggeration to say, run as a criminal enterprise. Cooper assistant u. S. Attorney steve ruby led the prosecution against Don Blankenship along with u. S. Attorney for west virginia, booth goodwin. Booth goodwin this could be likened to a Drug Organization and the defendant was the kingpin. Cooper the defendant, Don Blankenship, had for decades been one of west virginias most influential and powerful figures. The c. E. O. Of massey energy, the largest coal producer in appalachia, he employed 5,800 people and operated more than 40 mines. Blankenship wouldnt do an interview with 60 minutes but prosecutors say for years he condoned and tolerated safety violations for the sake of profit. Ruby right up until the time the Upper Big Branch mine blew up, that was the way that the company ran, because everybody understood that was the way Don Blankenship wanted it run. Corporate mentality that he instilled in his company. Booth right. That was the culture that existed. Cooper profits over safety. Booth profits over safety. He set the tone. He set the corporate culture. Cooper despite receiving daily reports of the high number of safety violations, prosecutors argued blankenship did little to correct them because Upper Big Branch was a big moneymaker for massey, earning more than 600,000 a day, and blankenships pay was directly tied to every foot of coal mined. In his last three years at massey, blankenships total compensation was more than 80 million. Ruby the men and women that we talked to who worked in this mine said that it was absolutely understood, it was expected that if you worked at that mine, you were going to break the law in order to produce as much coal as possible, as fast and as cheaply as possible. Bobbie pauley everything was produce, produce, produce. It didnt make any difference of thng it didnt make any difference if you had to take shortcuts. It was all about put the coal on the belt. Cooper Bobbie Pauley was the only female miner at Upper Big Branch. She wasnt working the day of the explosion but her fiancee boone payne was. He died in the blast. Bobbie says she and boone worried every day the mine was an accident waiting to happen. Everyone knew there were problems . Everyone knew there were safety issues . Pauley absolutely. We all knew. Cooper was there enough air in the mine . Pauley our section never had air. Cooper ventilation is critical to mine safety because fresh air carries explosive coal dust and methane out of the area where miners work. Without adequate ventilation and proper clean up, coal dust accumulates, and is not only highly flammable, it can cause black lung disease, which most of the miners killed in the explosion were later found to have. Stewart a lot of times we wouldnt have any ventilation at all. You couldnt see your hand in front of your face. You couldnt see your hand in front of your face . Stewart could not see your hand in front of your face. Cooper and thats because theres not air fresh air moving through . Stewart right, right. Cooper its all dust . Stewart all dust. Ruby this is whats called a dust pump. Cooper as part of their case, prosecutors showed jurors the pumps miners were supposed to wear to measure their intake of coal dust, but at Upper Big Branch, Bobbie Pauley says they were routinely instructed by their bosses to cheat on the test, by hanging the pumps in the fresh air. Pauley so your measurements when they were tested came in compliant with the law. Cooper federal mine inspectors visited Upper Big Branch almost daily but prosecutors say the mine had an illegal advance Warning System in place. Security guards at the entrance would relay messages to miners underground alerting them an inspector was coming. Cooper they would use code words . Stewart yeah, bad weather. Cooper they would say its bad weather . Stewart uhhuh. Which means, well let you know if hes coming your way or going some other way. Cooper so you would get word om inspectors coming, they would use code words, and then you would basically clean up your area to make it look right . Stewart uh huh, yeah. Cooper Upper Big Branch was a nonunion mine. Inspectors were the only people miners could turn to for help. But they say, word was out, they shouldnt be seen talking to inspectors. Was there fear about speaking up . Pauley if you wanted a job you kept your mouth shut. Me, like a lot of other miners, mining is about the only industry. Its the biggest industry in the state of west virginia. You have children, you want them to have. You want to provide for them. I was a single mom, you know . Cooper you needed that job . Pauley i did the best i could. crying we did the best we could for our families. The guys did as well. Ruby some of the stories that they have to tell are horrifying. Being forced to work without enough fresh air, being forced to work in water up to their necks, miles underground. Being forced to work in areas of where the roof and the walls of the mine were falling in around them. Cooper prosecutors say blankenship was aware of all these safety problems because he was a micromanager who had oversight over every aspect of massey mines, personally approving every hire, hourly raise, and capital expenditure. Ruby he wanted everybody in that company to know he was in charge. Goodwin do it dons way. I expect you to do exactly what i tell you to do, when i tell you to do it. Cooper that was his message to his managers . Goodwin absolutely, time and again. Ruby and thats on tape. Don blankenship this game is about money. Cooper that message was repeatedly emphasized by Don Blankenship in phone conversations with mine managers he secretly recorded on these machines he installed in his office. Blankenship i want you to take a deep breath and i want you to listen carefully. You ready . Blanchard yes, sir. Blankenship being a Group President and or someday being a v. P. At massey or president of massey requires that you be focused on dollars. Cooper he sent terse handwritten notes and memos to managers criticizing them for high costs and low coal production. You have a kid to feed he wrote, do your job. Pitiful. I could kruschev you and in my opinion, children could run these mines better than you all do. The bosses were under pressure . Stewart they were under tremendous pressure. Cooper to keep mining, keep getting coal . Stewart keep mining, right. And they carried out his orders to the t. They treated the people under them as he treated them. I mean, he talked to them like they were dogs, they in turn talked to the superintendents or the section foremen, whatever, like they were dogs and kept that pressure applied to force these people to do his will. Cooper blankenships attorneys called no witnesses at trial and pointed to Safety Initiatives their client put in place at Upper Big Branch. Ruby miner a m branch took the stand and said that the socalled Safety Initiatives were a joke. That the Safety Program stops at the entrance to the mine. And once youre underground, your job is to run coal. Cooper after two weeks of deliberations, a federal jury came to a landmark decision, finding Don Blankenship guilty of conspiring to willfully violate mine safety laws. Bill taylor there was never enough evidence to justify convicting mr. Blankenship. Cooper but they didnt find him guilty of conspiring to defraud the mine safety and Health Administration or of lying to investors and regulators about safety violations, felony counts which could have sent blankenship to prison for 30 years. Under the law, jurors arent allowed to know whether the counts theyre considering are misdemeanors or felonies. And jurors told us, they were unaware the count they convicted him of was only a misdemeanor, which carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison. Pam i actually thought they were all felony charges. Cooper when you realized when you heard okay, maybe hell serve a year in prison, what was your gut . Pam i was surprised. Cooper you were surprised, pam . In what way . Surprised it was so low . Pam yes. Kevin none of us actually knew. In terms of what the time was for the charges. I was i was pretty pissed. Cooper family members of the dead miners, who attended the trial every day, were also disappointed. Do you think was justice done in this verdict . Sherry no, no. There was no justice. Cooper Judy Peterson lost her brother, miner dean jones. Judy peterson as a result of the explosion, 29 people are gone. And thats a misdemeanor. Thats a perversion of justice. Ruby do we think that a one year sentence for what Don Blankenship has been convicted of is enough . No. We dont. But its at least right now what the law gives us to work with. Cooper Don Blankenship and his attorneys issued a statement to 60 minutes denying he was involved in any conspiracy. They claim the explosion was caused and fueled by a sudden and unexpected surge of natural gas, though three state and federal investigations found the deaths of the 29 miners were preventable, and the result of a failure of basic mine safety standards. Don blankenship has said this was just an act of god. That these kinds of things happen in coal mining. Stewart well, you know, Don Blankenship, id like to take those words and stuff them right back down his throat because that was not an act of god. That was manmade 100 . These men, you know, they werent just 29 people that got killed. They were a lot of good men. Cooper and they deserved better than what they got . Stewart they deserved much better than they got. 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S. , we can use smart phones to pay for th but you typically need to be linked to a bank account or credit card. In kenya, you dont need a bank account, you dont need a credit history, or very much money, for that matter, making this country in east africa a giant Experimental Laboratory defining the future of money. At a bus station in nairobi, buses were not only loaded with humans and cargo, but with cash. It used to be the only way for people working in the cities to get money to relatives back in their remote villages. Bob collymore you give the cash to the bus driver, and then you say, when you get up to the village in kakamega, you will see someone at the crossroads. Give the money to him. Guess what happens. The money evaporates. Stahl bob collymore, the c. E. O. Of kenyas largest cell phone provider, safaricom, says his company sought to solve the problem. While a majority of kenyans dont have a bank account, eight in ten have access to a cell phone. So in 2007, safaricom started offering a way to use that cell phone to send and receive cash. They call it mpesa m stands for mobile; pesa is money in swahili. Collymore it is often referred to as kenyas alternative currency, but safer and more secure. Stahl youre texting money . Collymore you are effectively texting money. Stahl how sophisticated is the phone that you use for m pesa . Is it a smart phone . Collymore no, its the cheapest phone you can have. It was designed to work at the lowest level of technology. Stahl hello. Hi. How are you . Im fine. Stahl to get this currency, you go to an mpesa kiosk. I give the agent 3,000 shillings about 30 in cash and she converts it to Virtual Currency on my account. This is pretty ey. Its not like opening a bank account. There are over 100,000 agents like her across kenya, creating a giant grid of human a. T. M. S. For most, this is a side business, so a pharmacy will sell mpesa, or a roadside spiceshop. This barber will give you a shave and mpesa. And, yes, you can even buy m pesa here. Collymore this is bankless banking. Stahl you dont need all those branches. Collymore you dont need the branches. Stahl you dont need the a. T. M. Windows. Collymore absolutely not. Stahl scrolling down the options on the phone menu, you can send money, withdraw cash, pay a bill, or buy goods and services. And everyone uses a pin number for security. But this is not like paying with your smartphone in the u. S. , because our devices are linked to a bank account or credit card. Most kenyans who use mpesa dont have a bank account; the phone is it. Thats it . Collymore now you can spend anything. Daniel im daniel. Welcome in. Stahl shopping in the name of journalism i like this. Can i pay you in mpesa . Daniel yeah. Yeah. If you have it on the phone, just click the button and it goes. Stahl daniel says kenyans use it for everything from taxis to taxes. Is it safer for you and for me to use mpesa . Daniel yeah, its very safe. Stahl so do you use mpesa to buy gas for the car . Daniel absolutely. Stahl do you pay all your bills with mpesa . Daniel most of my bills. In fact, i rarely go to the bank nowadays. Stahl at my destination, i tried using the phone money. So, daniel, ive never done this before. Youre my very first mpesa. Daniel mpesa customer. Stahl yeah. Daniel okay. Ill assist where necessary. Stahl i typed in his mobile phone number, and the amount. The fare was 700 shillings, or 7. Im going to give you a 1,000. Daniel oh, youre tipping with it. Thank you. God bless you, god bless you. S daniel dont tell me that. Stahl no, im not going to tell you. Daniel that is for your. Top secret. Stahl okay, so what do i do now . Daniel yeah. Now, accept. Stahl accept. Okay. Daniel yeah, it just come. Stahl it worked and now, im going to go spend some more money. Hello. Stahl hello. How are you . Stahl im great. I love these bags. How much is this one . Next, i buy a bag at anjis curio shop with mpesa. Do you use it a lot in the store . Yeah. Its like having bank in your pocket. Stahl this is really easy. Now, that. Thats the second time ive done it. Ive sent it. phone pings so wonderful stahl my shopping ended with animals. No, im not buying a giraffe. But you can use your phone to feed one. Am i giving you your dinner . While most transactions here are still in cash, mpesa is used by 23 million kenyans, over 90 of e heeled to the shoe shiner. This technology was actually invented in england, but it is here in kenya where innovation using mpesa is taking off. We visited the ihub in nairobi, where local Technology Startups are inventing new ways to use mobile money. Collymore and that mobile money system now acts as a terrific platform which a lot of other innovations has. Has used as a springboard. And the new phrase around town is the Silicon Savannah. Stahl the Silicon Savannah . Collymore yeah, you have the silicon valley, and here its the Silicon Savannah. Stahl today with mpesa, kenyans can get their salaries sent directly to their cell phones, and they can open a savings account and earn interest on their cell phones. Youre going to push mpesa. We met mary tonkei, a maasai dairy farmer, who sells milk in mpesa, pays her farmhands in m more cows in mpesa. And just a couple of buttons and then you buy a new cow . Mary yes. Stahl actually, mary was able to buy two new cows, and she got a much better rate than she wouldve at a bank. Since the loan transaction was by phone, there was hardly any overhead. So it sounds like youre rapidly increasing your business. Mary yes, im increasing my business. Stahl business is good . Mary yes, its good. laughs stahl we were surprised at how much mpesa has changed life for the poor. In a slum called kanaani, south of nairobi, we met a pig farmer, Stephen Wainaina waweru. Before mpesa, like most kenyans, he had no electricity. He used to rely on a kerosene lamp for light. Stephen Wainaina Waweru it gives smokes here. Stahl it emitted toxic fumes, could cause fires, and at 200 a year, kerosene wasnt cheap. But stephen recently upgraded. He got solar power, and his first light bulb. Pretty good. Its lighting your room. Waweru yes. It lights the room all over. Stahl a Company Called m kopa solar invented a way to provide inexpensive power to the slums using mpesa. So where is the panel . Is it up here . Waweru yeah, the panel is up there. Stahl can you show it to me . Waweru yeah, i can. See, up. Let me show you. Here it is stahl oh, my goodness, its little. The unit costs about 180 less than kerosene, but still out of stephens price range for a single purchase. But he paid only 35 up front and then 40 cents a day in m pesa for a year. And he never has to leave the farm all he does is click his phone, which activates a chip attached to the panel to turn it on. Stahl when youre finished paying it off. Waweru it shall be mine. No more cost. Stahl the solar panel has changed his life he can tend to his pigs at night, and his children can study indoors without breathing toxic kerosene fumes. Past efforts to introduce solar panels to the slums failed, in part, because they were stolen. This has been solved because the same chip that turns the panel on can also disable it. So if you dont pay up, they turn your lights off . They have the ability to turn. Waweru these guys, they are excellent, madame. Because once i dont pay, they dont have to come to me. The light just goes off stahl providing Drinking Water is another way mpesa is making a difference. Nearly a third of kenyans do not have access to clean water, often relying on a river or water trucked in by donkey. But the village of njoguini got a new pump for its well. Villagers pay for clean water by texting mpesa to this meter box, which unlocks the pump. A villager can get a full months worth of water for around 6. For decades, Development Advocates implored banks to open branches in remote places, but it made little business sense. Nearly half of kenyans live on just 2 a day or less. Their Financial Transactions were just too small. Collymore people dont buy a packet of cigarettes. Theyll buy a cigarette. And so we need to be operating at that level. People dont buy a tube of toothpaste. If you go into the slums, you will see people buy a squeeze of toothpaste. And so you have to operate at that micro level. Stahl now, how can that be viable for you as a company . Its like they have no money. Collymore because we believe that if we have now 19 Million People transacting small amounts, making small amounts, it will add up. For each transaction, there is a small fee. Annually does safaricom make from mpesa in kenya . Collymore a quarter of a billion dollars. Stahl a quarter of a billion dollars . Collymore yeah. You dont have to be greedy to be successful. Stahl and you can be successful if you dont have to build thousands of branches and pay thousands of tellers. Actually, when mpesa started, kenyas commercial banks implored the government to impose regulations to impede its development, but the government decided to take a handsoff approach, which is pretty unusual. Collymore the most effective barrier for the success of mobile money around the world is the banking lobby. The banking lobby in most parts of the world is a very strong lobby. And banks have looked at whats happened in kenya, and have decided that they dont want to see that happening in their own countries. Stahl not in my backyard. Collymore exactly. The banking regulators have been persuaded that this is a threat to the Banking Industry. Stahl and it is, isnt it . Collymo its. We live in a disruptive world. Uber came along and completely disrupted a number of things, not just the taxi industry. Airbnb has come along and has disrupted. And so we are in a disruptive world. And we just need to. Stahl this is another one like that. Collymore yes, it is. Stahl it is. Collymore it is. Stahl and so the Banking Industry isnt crazy. Collymore no. No. Stahl mpesa does have drawbacks. There are real concerns of criminal enterprises, scams, and money laundering. And while it has been introduced in other countries, like india, egypt, afghanistan and romania, it has stubbornly refused to catch on as it has in kenya. But the head of safaricom thinks its just a matter of time. Collymore because mobile phones are becoming so much more ubiquitous. Every adult in the world will have a mobile phone. And if you have that tool in your hands, imagine the things you can do. Stahl we found among the kenyans we met that mpesa is igniting a real sense of just ask my cab driver, daniel. 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