Raids. Their going after a group behind that recent mall master. In libya they ended a 15 year man hunt for an operative links to bombings at embassies in 1998. Jennifer has more. Reporter chris, the Libyan Government was not told about plans to carry out the raid and now theyre demanding answers. They confirm that the president signed off on these two missions in cement. They targeted a vill a where top members of the fwroup were discovered. They surrounded the vehicle of this man. A top al qaeda operative who has been dieted in the southern districts of new york, wanted by the u. S. Government for more than a decade in his role in the east africa bombings. They say he just pulled up to his house when he was nabbed by u. S. Forces. George little issued the following statement, quote, as a result of a u. S. Counter terrorism, he is currently detained outside of it is not clear will the target in somali, the masser mind of the kenian mall attack was killed. The seals could not retrieve the body to make a positive identification. They are said today have done he returned to libya in 2011 during the uprising. An Fbi Hostage Rescue Team was embedded with the u. S. Forces that carried out this attack. U. S. Officials confirm al libby will be sent o it the United States and not guantanamo. Thank you. Now to the partial Government Shutdown. Its day six and their ticking closer to another debt lime. We have to raise the debt ceiling in two weeks or for the first time our country goes into default. This week both you and the president seem to be trying to panic the markets about raising the debt ceiling and the government shut down saying they should be more concerned. Here is the president. This time is different. I think they should be concerned. When you have a situation in which the faction is willing to default on u. S. Government obligations, then we are in trouble. So far the markets are shrugging it off. Nasdaq was up more than half a point. Arent your efforts failing to try to use the markets . Chris, its my job to make sure that we strengthen the economy and i spend every day trying to do that. Thats why its so important that congress can pay its bills. There is no dwhae if we were to have the unthink about happen and the United States to default, it could cause series problems. Why would anyone want to do that to the American Economy . This is not a new issue. Im going to quote to you something president reagan said to the country in 1983. The full consequences of the default or the serious prospect of the default are impossible to redistri predict. Let me vote you, the Treasury Department issued a report late this week that said a possible default would be, quote, strofic. Credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, Interest Rates could skyrocket and there could be a recession that could echo 2008 or worse. The fed continues to pump money into the economy. Whats the likelihood that they would default . It is ready to avoid the kind of unthinkable problems that would happen if the United States willfully defoughts on the good full faith and credit of the United States. I dont if i there is anyone that thinks the consequence is inmall. Let me ask you, if you pay one bill, interest and principal on the debt, what happens if you dont pay millions of people on Social Security . What happens if you dont pay hospitals and health care across the country. I asked you an economic question, would it be catastrophic. Im telling you i know the direction is bad. There are a range of how bad. It is irresponsible and reckless to take that chance. Only congress can act to raise a debt limit. You say that consequences would be bad, irresponsible. Despite these stakes, the president refuses to negotiate saying what republicans are demanding has never happened before. Take a look. You have never seen in the history of the yiet the debt ceiling, the threat of not raising the debt ceiling, being used to export a president or a governing party and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the debt or the budget. Mr. Secretary, that is just not true. Congress voted to raise it 53 times and 27 times you have seen it linked to other things. Campaign finance reform, school prayer, what is unprecedented is the president refusing to negotiate. Let me be clear. The president has always been looking for a way to negotiate and find that reasonable middle ground with a Bipartisan Group of senators. He put out a budget that took an enormous step to do that. If you look at the cases where the debt limit was involved, there was many other things attached to the debt limit, but threatening to cause a default for the United States not 2011 in 1973 democrats in the senate indeluding ted kennedy wanted to attach Campaign Finance reform to raising the debt limit and it need todd be a filibuster to take it out. It has happened over and over and this president is refusing to negotiate. I lived through the budget debates of the 1980s, 90s, and 2000s. In 2011 you have 50 to 100 members of the house that said if we dont get our way, we would rather see the default of the United States. And that was different. I think what the president is saying is congress has to do its job. We need something. So why not sit down with him and talk. Youre the one saying theyre ready to take the economy down, theyre saying they dont want to take the economy down. You agree. In 1997 you were Deputy Director when the debt was tied to measurin measures for the government. Chris, in 1997 i sat through ere me every meeting and it w never brought up. I know john boehner doesnt want to default or shut tdown. John boehner is not threatening to default. He is saying he doesnt want to. Republicans to talking about a down payment on the debt. Theyre willing to ease the automatic spending cuts through long term enitlement reform. We need to separate the issues. Why . It is cause k real damage to the American People. Every day people who thought it was okay to shut the government down theyre discovering why its a pob. You cant discover it. So you refuse to negotiate over a debt solution. It is congresss job to pass a budget. They have to pass a budget are you saying the president is making it impossible to negotiate. Im saying he wants to negotiate and chris, Congress Needs to do its job. The president has taken many steps over the last several years to show his willingness to negotiate. He has done with with democrats saying he is too eager to negotiate. If we were in a place a year ago, two years ago, where they were all equally on the table we would not be where we are now. The republicans you say that the possible results could be so, and the worlds of your report catastrophic. Will the president accept a shortterm extension to fund the government and rasz the debt limit . Congress will have to make a decision with what they do. The American Economy would be well served by getting stability and uncertainly. The manufactured crisis is bad for the economy. Its hurt were the world leader. The strongest in the world. Our currency is the World Reserve currency. Congress should act now. I think they should act to take this burden off of the economy. Well have to see i take away from this conversation that even though republicans are willing to talk about a debt deal, it is the president who is digging his feet into the ground and saying no negotiations. What are you saying . Congress needs to do its job. We just spent the last several months with Congress Creating a ridiculous choice where you either appeal the Affordable Care about or we will default. These are old bills, these are not new bills. Were open to negotiation. The president is and will be open to reasonable discussion. I want to ask you about obama care. Thats what a lot of this is about. The public exchanges in obama care opened up this week. In fact, the middle age to sign up to enroll for obama care has been taken down for repairs during off peak hours this weekend. You had three years to prepare, if we had doubts about the ability of the government to oversee this, shouldnt this add to my doubts . We saw seven Million People to rush to go on to the web page to find out what are their options. How many signed up . They have six months. The government refused to tell us. I may look and have no interest. The question is how many people have signed up. We know that people take time to make important decisions like this. They go on and compare their options. The fact that so many peel rushed for information is a good sign. I dont know about you but i sign on and get updates on my software and i get corrections that i have to reupdate my software. For major companies, it is not unique when you a very large new program come out people work to clean it up. So many people rushed today get in because of all of the interest. Im going to ask one last time because you not answered it. Do you not know how many supreme signed up, or is it that the number is embarrassingly small . We are confident they will make the decision, they have six months to make the decision. Do you not know . Its not my primary area of responsibility, so my knowing or not knowing is not important. The important issue here is that millions of americans want Affordable Health care. They came on line, theyre getting information, and theyre learning they can get Affordable Health care. They can save money, they have preexisting conditions. This is a very important development. They just cant sign up for it . I think they will. Technically they cant. Well stay on top of all of this, on a the default, and the problems with obama care. With no negotiations at this point, where is the government headed . George will joins our sunday group for the first time. When we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. I can tell you safety is at the heart of everything we do. 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Joins us for the first time we have george will, she is now a fox news contributor. Were honored to have you on the panel, welcome. We have kirsten powers, and karl rove, and joan trippi. It was not just you personally, it was all three of them. We pointed out that this claim that president s have never negotiated with congress over raising the debt limit is nonsense. It has happened over and over again as we said 27 times since 1979. Do you think the president can stick to this refusal to negotiate or does that become politically unstable. Here is the pox that he woul. Default would be catastrophic. But attached to the debt sealing increase, its better to have a crisis of war. What makes the debt ceiling to wholesome is a dab between revenues and outlays. And everything you immediate to know about contemporary washington was in your interview when they say we will not prioritize. A Hardware Store prioritizes with its first revenues coming in. We have ten times the revenues than we need. There is no need to default. Default is our choice. Kirsten, one Senior Administration official said were winning so we dont care how long have goes on. The president quickly took that back as he was going off for lunch. Impromptu, but do democrats run the risk of overplaying their hand if they refuse to continue to negotiate or if they refuse to negotiate these bills. The piecemeal measures to fund an ia or head start. I think they cant allow if they allow this to happen, if they didnt piecemeal, i think the fear is this will keep on happening. And the refusal to negotiate, he is refusing to negotiate over defunding obama care. This is a pretty significant thing. You can go through the history of Different Things that democrats have done. Its not quite the same thing as actually defunding an entire Signature Program of the president. But theyre talking about just repealing devices maybe the president would come around on Something Like that. If they had done that in the first mace i think they could have gotten a deal. I think it is this point now where they took it all the way to the brink. On default, i think the president s position is a negotiating position. It is where he is starting and perhaps there will be somebody where he can reach an agreement. I dont think frankly that most Republican Leaders want us to default either. Were six days into this shutdown, where do you assess the end games are now . Both sides are suffering in the public estimation. If washington is not working, the ultimate symbol is the president of the United States. Republicans as they did in the 95 shut down will get more blame. The president is doing himself some damage, republicans are doing themselves some damage. The obstruction of the president has a purpose which is to try and get the congress to agree to the Senate Democratic spending number which is 91 billion bigger than the house, and bust the sequester and end the 2011 spending agreement. And he is attempting to put responsibility for raising the debt ceiling and in fact naming the amount of the debt ceiling on the congress and not on himself. Through this whole thing he has said we need to traz the debt deal, but he never said how much it needs to be raised. And the reason is budget experts inside and outside of the congress, that north to get it past the election, it will be a trillion dollar debt ceiling increase. After all of this happy talk, he needs one trillion more in short. Back in 2000, a candidate obama said george w. Bushs 9 trillion debt was unpatriotic. If they raise it it will be 17. 7 trillion. He said it is a failure of leadership in 2007 when he was using the debt ceiling. That is why i think this stubborn on instruction has a purpose and the purpose is to make more money. So it all of that on the democratic side . The whole problem with this is i think it goes back to the 41 votes to appeal obama care. The republicans have had an on section with repealing it. Thats how the shutdown crisis starts. With them wanted to defund it, repeat it, get rid of it. Thats why its so hard for them now to say they werent responsible. And as we get closer to a default, regardless of what negotiations are or are not, in the wake of all of that momentum on obama care and republicans tries to stop it, they could turn into the grand double o party. But something that like, yeah, a pumper sticker. There has been talk to the president and the Senate Democrats that theyre goal is to break the Republican Party. To exploit this divide within the republicans and to stop them. Is that sensible . No, they misunderstand the evidence right before their eyes with whats happening with the Republican Party. There is two groups that want to end it. One is big business and the other is the american military. Previously the American Party was thought to be congruent with big business and the military, not any more. Okay, we have to take a break here, but we will pick up with this discussion later. As the shutdown drags on, there is a growing split. What will that do to the shutdown. Capital to make it happen . Without the thinking that makes it real . Whats a vision without the expertise to execute it. And the financing to make it grow . Whatever your goal, it can change more than your business. It can change the future. Thats why, at barclays, our ambition is to always realize yours. Guantanamo. Why didnt get get the operators from benghazi. Why dont we go get them as well. That has been a real issue in congress why we dont go get those. We give our navy seals and special forces tremendous credit. But i hope he is an intergator for a long time. Congressman king, let me start with you. You said some pretty rough things. Do you called them yahoos. Ted cruz crazies and terrorists. With tom graves sitting here, it sounds like its more than just a disagreement over policy. No, i have great regard for tom graves. I was mainly speaking of tom cruise. That if we defund obama care, that he can keep it open. This was a strategy that never could have wormed. If we want to defund something, we should repeal it. And have a president sign it. This was due to fail. And ted cruise walked away from it. Now theyre saying that we should have negotiated on it. Let me bring congressman graves into this. You have been leading the charge to defund or delay obama care. Will it was from congressman king or congressman nunez, and what is t that moderates like king and nunez dont get. We as a conference were united. We have been working together now over the last couple weeks. Were fully united behind opening the government up and providing fairness and we have been pretty reasonable. I was for a full repeal, full refund, a oneyear delay, now were saying mr. President , can we have a year delay and provide protection to all americans that you provided to big business you say youre united, but fellow republicans have called you terrorists. Were trying to help obama care, and keep the government open. There is now some talk in the House Republican laters to pivot away from obama care. But instead to focus on the debt and entitlement reform and longterm spending cuts. Would you accept a deal on that . To reopen the government and raise the dote limit if it did not include any changes to obama care . I dont think that is something the conference would embrace right now . We have had a tremendous fight keeping the government open. Im here to say that im open to a lot of ideas. Im willing to put it all on the table. In order to do that, harry reid has to send democrats to meet with us. He cant be scared to do that. You just heard secretary lew talking about how catastrophic it would be if we were to default. Are you prepared to refuse to raise the debt limit unless you get what you want on obama care . There is no reason to default. Youre not answering my question. There is no reason to default. The president is the only one demanding default right now. He could sign the full faith and credit act that we passed, and i think you pointed out rightly there is a lot of revenue coming into the government. There is 200 billion being collected by the government every month. Will you refuse to raise the debt limit . For obama care. The fact is we have in relation 95 of all of this that we agree on. Lets get that taken care of and then talk about the other 5 . Kangman kipg, democrats are pushing a discharge petition to take this idea of a clean cr out of committee to bring it to the floor for a house vote. They need at least 17 republicans in the house. Will you support a discharge petition . No. Let me first tell you i dont consider myself a moderate. Im a reagan conservative. By the way one thing that tom graves and i can agree on is that the democrats in my mind are also being irresponsible here. The president of the United States as hand obligation to get involved. He is doing a good job, but shed ahead of the country. He has an obligation to get involved. The fact is if this situation is as serious as he say its is, and i think it is as far as a default on the debt, he is an absolute obligation as president of the United States to get involved. Sir, if you could answer my direct question, why wont you sign a discharge petition . Its not going to go any many. There is no way in the world you will get 25 republicans to go on that and as i said, theyre not bargaining in good faith here. Im trying to make this work. I have been against this from the start. We are the ones who did shut the government down. Wall street journal said were kamakazi. And we pushe side and other issues and the government is still shut down. Senator graves . As he indicates were unified behind keeping the government open. The strategy at this point shut down the government. But we are where we are right now and as a conference we have every been more united than what we saw last friday. We know the president and his chief aids and the administration are saying let it go. They dont care how long they let it go on because theyre lining. Its the American People that are losing if we dont reach an agreement. But democrats have to be willing to have a conversation. Congressman graves, if House Speaker boehner agrees to reopen the government or raise the debt ceiling without a deal that limits obama care, would you vote to remove the speaker . There is no vote to remove him as speaker. The next vote is in january of 20 you could have a vote on the house floor. We want to provide fairness for the American People and that is providing them the same protection that the president provided. Big business, insurance companies, and members of congress. There should be no special treatment. And briefly, congressman king, congressman graves is not saying it but there are certainly some members that have threatenned that if boehner gives on this he is gone. Im committed to john boehner, i think he is doing the best he can under a terrible situation. He warned us a month ago that if we shut down the government it was a nowin policy. He had to get a chance into the negotiations, im committed to john boehner. He has done a outstanding job. He really has different factions within that conference, and nobody can do a better job than he could. As tough as it is, people have different opinions. Congressmen, thank you for coming in, we will keep following the action in the house. When we return, our panelist back to talk about after the deadlock is resolved. Will congress be able to do any work next year . Zlerchlts. The job core includes those who report toer. Over 100 increase in convictions. Unrest halfway around the globe affects us here at home. America imports millions of barrels of oil from the middle east every week. But we dont have to. Along with increased domestic development, the Transcanada Keystone xl pipeline could eliminate americas reliance on unstable and often unfriendly Foreign Energy in 10 to 20 years. The pipeline will bring more than just oil. Construction will support the creation of over 40,000 american jobs. Lets build the Transcanada Keystone xl pipeline. This could be over in hours if they would just take yes for an answer instead of continuing to be a party of no. Apparently they think the Government Shutdown is good politics. Leaders of both hearties this week continuing to talk at each other while they fail to talk with each other. Were back now with the panel. Relations between the two parties were pretty miserable before the stand off, and everything that were seeing in the parties woob between the parties, george does any business get done in the next year . You cant get anything done in an Election Year or the year before an Election Year. But for the Republican Party, what else is new. They split up between president taft. The big country and the republicans now that what liberals are supposed to admire which is diversity. But liberals dont want it. Do you agree with george . Yes, unless you can get a new congress. Were not having have an election this year. Right, so i dont imagine anything getting done. And we talked a lot about is the president trying to destroy the Republican Party and i think yes because he has to. Because he because nothing will get done unless there is a new congress and he needs to divide them. Its just basic math that in order for him to get his agenda done. You say destroy the party because i can see brother karl here chomping at the bit. Is he trying to divide them . Is the shut down bad for the republicans . Yes, is it bad for obama . Is yes. Its just the reality. I dont know if there are other politicians above this. It has been cast that obama is herbal especially nepharious. If the president s goal is to destroy the republicans, he will not succeed no why try it. We went back to check rules, one acts decisively that all of of the angels are on one side and the devils are on the other. And they have gone out saying the williams are devils. Monday he could have had an agreement. They could have said funded at the current level and delay the mandate for a year, and require congress to draw my waiver for congress and make them live under obama care. Do you think that is reasonable for him to say that im not going to if you dont delay if you delay the corporate employer mandate, the cbo says thats 12 million. So if it is incredibly damaging to obama care to delay the individual mandate, what about delaying it for corporate. Why did he do the corporate mandate . He didnt want a lot of companies but what they were going to do is companies were going to duck coverage. And he didnt want that happening in an Election Year. But that was entirely reasonable. If he didnt that want he could say ill take the withdrawal of my waiver on congress. Something that kirsten said is the president doesnt need to try to destroy the Republican Party because theyre doing it to themselves. You just stand back and let them do it. But there is one point that i want to make. On obama care, this started in 1945. They took almost 70 years to put it in play. For obama to get it there. And it was stopped with clinton. We saw that. We finally get it there and he is not going to think the democrats after 70 years of fighting for this will give up and negotiate it away. For all of the talk about hurting republicans, ill tell you six that are currently hurting, they live in louisiana, texas, indiana, it is christie, walker, pence, and casey. All of them contemplate running for president i suspect, and they will have one great argument on their side i wasnt part of that. Rich schnider is thinking about it lets talk about 2014, i thought that was crazy. There has been commentary that he wants to position republicans so that democrats can take back the house in 2014 so that he ends his presidency with two years of democratic control the way he began it spp that a sensible strategy . It has no chance of happening. The president s job approval is blow 50 . The second term midterm is always bad for the white house party. He has two chances, slim and none. It aint going to happen. I would say there is less than 65 seats that most of these prognosticators think are up for grabs. Lets put up some numbers on the screen. 215 come from areas they carried. They need to pick up six of the 35 saeeats next year. Which party has a better chance of gaining control of congress. Republicans taking the senate or democrats taking the house. If the republicans are right about obama care, and everything they say about it is true, the democrats will never win another election. They have the senate and in 2006 they will get the presidency. If they crash the economy and we default, even if they are right, they will lose the house in 2014 and may not get the president seat for some time. Thats what the stakes aright now. If obama care is going to be such a disaster, why not let it playout. Let the person people experience obama care. If it is as bad as they say it is, they will recoil from it. The the flip side is they say that republicans are care of seeing what obama care is. That is theyre afraid they will become addicted and it will be a heroin drip on the subsidies. I think what the republicans have to have confidence in is the ability to say we generally vote for divided government, and i think you will have a you needed congress against thank you, panel. Well see you next week. Up next, our power player of the week. My customers can shop around see who does good work and compare costs. It doesnt usually work that way with health care. But with unitedhealthcare, i get information on quality rated doctors, Treatment Options and estimates for how much ill pay. That helps me, and my guys, make better decisions. I dont like guesses with my business, and definitely not with our health. Innovations that work for you. Thats health in numbers. Unitedhealthcare. 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