Resignation, which presents some irony to this situation because williams is the fit position. First off, lets start out by putting ourselves in Seth Williams shoes. Maybe donna, you can do this. Why would you not want to resign if you are Seth Williams, beyond the fact that he doesnt have to, legally . He needs a way to make a living and pay for his lawyers. R of this. I think if he had some other means of supporting himself, he but theres a bigger issue here, and seth is gonna have to face black lives matter calls for i think the hypocrisy of a prosecuting people like louise b offenses that they were compared to what he did. And so, i think the hypocrisyint going over well, and i think hes not gonna be able to walki, the responsibility forha mayor kenney has called for his resignation, and also interesting, black lives mattero resign, which is another, i guess, ironic part of all this, jeff. Absolutely. But the thing is also, you know, the court of law will determine. I mean, the evidence seems extremely overwhelming that he is guilty, but lets be clear that the court of law will determine. And he believes, perhaps, that he is innocent, and its difficult to put ourselves in his shoes knowing he is a strong leader regardless of the mistakes and many mistakes, apparently, allegedly, he has made. From the time he was a young boy to Penn State University where he was student body president , theres a lot of pride on the line, and its very difficult to put ourselves in those shoes. Its heartbreaking. But i do think that knowing the work that the d. A. s office has to do, its really the rest of the citizens of philadelphia who really need to know that the cases that come before them are not gonna be in any way tainted by this process, that, you know, whos going to be sort of managing the office, are there gonna be people where were gonna be spending millions of dollars on appeals because people are gonna use this as a way to say that they didnt get a fair trial . I mean, i think the thing to do is for him to step down. I do understand the issue around income, and i agree with donna. I think that has something to do with it. But i think if you look at the overall picture and the charges, i think its gonna be very difficult for him to be able to effectively run that office. And i do agree i think he needs to step aside. Ed, he has about nine months to go in his term. Why should he resign . Lets take that argument, present that. Leave aside the public good, because thats whats been discussed here. Sure. I do think that if you look the nature of the crimes of which hes been accused, it does suggest that he lived beyond his means, if this is correct. That being the case, he needs this money. And his attorney this week asked out. Mmhmm. Said, because i dont think this guy can pay me. And the judge said, well, youve bought into this, youre staying. So, my sense is that you get into a very desperate situation, or an individual does, and decides i need the money. Maybe, maybe something happens. Somehow, the prosecution against me winds up becoming tainted. Its happened before. Maybe hes got that little thread that lets him hold on just to see whats going to happen, cause as you say, its nine months. Thats not a long time to tread water. And right now, i think hes in a pretty desperate situation. How about the perception in the public, and also the potential jury pool, people thinking that, oh, hes guilty because he reigned. Yep. That could be another motivation, right . Well, the other thing he could do i mean, he is a lawyer. He could start out from the premise that hes gonna have to represent himself with some assistance that he might be able to afford. I think thats a credible thing to be able to say to the folks about why he might leave. Heres another thing we may not know if he was offered a deal. A lot of times, when the deal is offered, part of it is, well, youre going to fall on your sword. Youre going to resign. Mmhmm. We just dont know what the state of play is in terms of what the prosecutors are going to bring to him. The only time they do a deal is if they have some sort of doubt. The longer it goes without a deal being proffered, the more likely it is that theyve got the goods. Real quick we know a ton of people are running in the primaries for Philadelphia District attorney. One of them is michael untermeyer. Were gonna be talking about all of them leading up to the primary, which is in may. He started running tv ads. He wants to be the democratic nominee. Kind of what Governor Wolf did during his Campaign Getting ahead of the news and getting yourself out there early, right, jeff . Yeah, nothing like reportedly 500,000 actually 550,000 self putting his own money into the race. Hes using the same group that Michael Nutter used the campaign group, neil oxmans group and doc sweitzer that very effectively positioned Michael Nutter, and this how do break through when you have this many candidates in a low elect lowturnout election . But this is a lowturnout election where youre looking at possibly 15 of turnout when you have seven candidates. You also have social media. This is the first time social medias gonna play a big role. Certainly larry krasner, a lot of people are talking about him on the social media sites. So again, im not sure coming off of the november election how youre gonna engage the electorate. There are a whole group of people who believe that they can increase turnout, because people really are excited about politics, and then theres another group of people who feel as if people are just throwing up their hands and saying, i cant take it. I dont want to be involved in politics. So, i think there are a lot of ifs here, and its gonna be interesting to see whether or not Television Money alone is going to be able to trump this race. Whos gonna coalesce around one or more of these candidates . And social media is free. Thats right. If were talking about it, then its even more valuable. Sure, sure, sure. You want to wrap things up . Just very quickly, i was very struck my michael coards impressive, specific recommendation of krasner on social media. Really, really something important. Again, a lot of candidates. Were gonna be talking about them on inside story in the coming weeks leading up to may 16th. Bridgegate time now. Two former governor christie aides are going to jail. Bridget kelly and bill baroni were convicted in the bridgegate scandal received prison time after sentencing this week. Christies former deputy chief of staff, kelly, gets 18 months. Baroni, a Christie Port Authority appointee, gets two years. Both vow to appeal their convictions. Now, governor christie, whether this was convenient or not, was with President Trump at the white house at the same time to talk about an opioidabuse initiative and told cbs that the verdict confirms what he has been saying all along he wasnt involved. First off youre shaking your head. Well get to that. I just want to know if anyones surprised that they received jail time, because these are two firsttime offenders, ed. I am. And full disclosure, i got stuck in that closing. I never knew that. Yeah, i did. Back in 2013. Yeah, well, im gonna do serious purgatory time for what i said when i was waiting there, because when you finally got there, you said, theres nothing going on here. Why did i just spend an hour and a half. Which aggravates you even more, yes. But i am surprised that it was jail time, although they did lie. It was the perjury. I think it was the perjury. I think they were offered opportunities to come forward throughout this process and say what they had done, and they didnt do it. And so, i think the combination of those things, they said, yes, were definitely gonna give them time. I think the thing thats sad is that Bridget Kelly is a single mom, as i understand it. Her kids are heartbroken that shes gonna be in jail. I think the i just want to put out the idea that when Public Officials destroy their lives in these very public ways, theres probably other considerations that ought to get constructed into the sentencing, including all the time in which they are public figures under scrutiny and with the cloud of suspicion, and if not guilt, ultimately hanging over them. If i were the judge, i wouldve given her 90 days. Its enough of a statement, and it does less damage to those kids, who did nothing wrong. I think its a really harsh standard. Now, if thats gonna be the standard, youre gonna have to apply it across the board. Were gonna need to build more prisons. Theres gonna be a lot more people going in. And we lock up more people than any industrialized country in the world. And as far as christie goes, you know, he says, oh, i had nothing to do with it. Its sort of like king henry who said, will no one rid me of this meddlesome cleric . And his men went out and took care of business. Well, id like to give them the buck stops here, and he should put that in front of him. Because they were his people. Well, let me ask you this about governor christie. Has he escaped any more political damage with the sentencing of these two . Im leaving him in the hands of jared kushner. Well see. Well, you know, governor christie actually mentioned something about how theyre not exactly buds, but hes forgiven him, i guess, in a way for regaling his dad . I dont think hell ever win an election again. Locked up his father well see. His legacy is shot. Hes got an advisory role, not a paid, as far as i understand, perhaps not a paid role, and something he frankly has a very big passion about opioid abuse, and his personal connection to it, a close friend who lost his life due to it. But hes toast. Mark sanford came back South Carolina governor. I was gonna say, people say, never say never in politics, and so i think you can never say never. But at least for the foreseeable future, i dont really see an opportunity for him. Hes in a blue state that clearly where people were looking for him to be able to cross the aisle and to be able to work on both sides. And i think he hasnt been able to do that, and i really dont see a path for him going forward. Wrap this up, ed. Different than sanford. People will say christie let two people go to jail. Mmhmm. They will, right or wrong. Sanford winning south america . Well, but sanford, i mean. Im saying its different circumstances. But christie let two people go to jail. Thats where people will land on this. I agree. I think its going to be very difficult to climb out of that. Lets talk about education in philadelphia, as we always do lottery for education, in this situation. Parents of more than 1,300 children entered a lottery for enrollment at a Global Leadership academy in West Philadelphia. This Charter School only had 81 open slots for 1,300 children who wanted them. One parent told action news she had tried to get her child in three other charters, with no success. Now, we have seen parents spend the night outside Charter Schools in philadelphia hoping to get a spot on enrollment day. They dont really do that all that much anymore. Parents say Global Leadership has forwardthinking teaching methods, and theyre dissatisfied with the Public Schools that are options. So, is it right to educate children this way, through the luck of the draw . Its a sha first, let me do a disclosure. My husband, bob odonnell, represents tons of Charter Schools and was actually the author of the first Charter Schools bill in harrisburg, long history. But on the subject of Charter Schools, the most important thing i want to say about the Charter Schools they are Public Schools. People dont get that. They dont understand that they are Public Schools. But they are different. And they are different, and parents are voting with their feet. Theyre taking their kids to places where, number one, theyre gonna be safer, and number two, theyre gonna have different kinds of academic opportunities. I think theres a real opportunity in philadelphia to reposition Charter Schools to be a place for all these young people that are moving into the city. Lets keep them here. Lets give their kids good schools to go to. And, matt, i would certainly add that, you know, ive been a part of the charterschool movement, too. But this whole idea of parents looking for choices has not just been about Charter Schools. Parents have been looking for choices within the school district. If you look at the number of students who apply to masterman every year, to girls high, to central, to sadie tm alexander in West Philadelphia thats on the university of pennsylvania campus, people are looking for quality choices for their children, no matter whether its charter, whether its a district school, or whether or not its within the catholic system, if they can ultimately find the resources to do it. What about the people that their only option is these other schools that are well, here is something that i think is important, and this was announced this week by the mayor and also by Council President clarke, was the idea of putting more resources in some of the other schools to make those schools work for more students. Southern high school was the one that was highlighted this week, where theyve actually put in counselors and other kinds of Services Based on research in that particular community so that the educators can spend more time on education, but yet still meet the needs of where students are. And the students and parents and Community Members around Southern High School are really excited about this option. Get one more comment in here. Jeff . Two quick things one, its easier to get into harvard than it is to get into mast Charter School in mastery. Its amazing. What you do is you reward the good charters, you measure them, and you get rid of the bad ones. We havent done that in philadelphia. Get rid of the bad ones that havent performed, that arent safe, and help the good ones. And they would say they dont have enough money to monitor the bad Charter Schools. But they take tests. Im saying not all tests. Look at their safety. You have to we need the police involved, we need parents involved. Parents should vote, too, saying, this isnt good enough for our kids. Parents and everyone is saying, close schools that dont work. It doesnt make a difference of whether you put a charter in front of it, or whether or not you put another title. We got to close this discussion, but we will be back after the commercial break. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Back with inside story. President trump warns the philadelphia mayor and a local republican congressman. Through u. S. Attorney general Jeff Sessions, the Trump Administration announced cities like philadelphia that are sanctuary cities, places that will protect illegal citizens from federal Immigration Laws, could run the risk of losing out on Justice Department grants. Mayor kenney, ill read his comment obviously, and this is a quote, obviously, the thumping that they took on healthcare brings them back to an area where they feel comfortable being divisive about and being bullies about, and thats their style. But let me say this. If the Trump Administration does pull the trigger and says, listen, heres a 500 million grant that philadelphia would have gotten for their police, and were not giving it to them because of sanctuary cities, how fast would the citizenry, the constituency of mayor kenney say, oh, well, you know what . Maybe we shouldnt be doing this . How fast could that happen . I think theyre gonna go to court. What im hearing from the mayors across the country that are sanctuary cities, theyre, number one, saying, look, were complying with the law as it relates to turning over felons in our cities. Where theyre saying that theyre not is that theyre not sending people just because ice comes and says, i want that particular person. And the issue of whether or not theyre gonna take money remember, 81 of the money that comes into cities comes through states. So, youre gonna have to figure out, how do you negotiate through states as it relates to this money . The other thing that is the money is going to people who dont have anything at all to do with this issue. How are you gonna take that money away from them . Then youre gonna say, but were giving remember in his executive order, he cut the police out of the executive order saying, you could send money for police. So, i think there are a lot of legal issues here, and i think theyre gonna immediately go to court. Let me get ed on this. The mayors arent being exactly forthright, because Jeff Sessions in that press Conference Also put out a list of cities and the number of felons who were released by various cities. So, thats point one. Look, this is nullification. This is the states and municipalities deciding which federal laws they will and will not enforce. Be very careful when you play that game, because if you decide youre not going to enforce or youre going to allow people not to enforce Immigration Law and do their part, dont be surprised if some municipalities decide they dont like other laws, and theyre gonna set those aside. We fought a civil war over this. You cant do what these mayors want to do. Th