Mcginty, sestak, mcginty, sestak. He, sestak, has thus far seemed to be ahead of her. He got the inquirer endorsement, but she has a lot of money. The president , the Vice President , a number of people coming out on her side. At this moment, how does it look to you in terms of who is going to eke this out come primary day . I think its going to be mcginty. I think sestak this past week made another mistake when he used the word note to guys, if youre running against women, dont use the word prostitution in any of your criticisms. In any form. Yeah, its just not a really find a different word. Exactly. When i think of calling her a prostitute, let me think of a different word. Wait, let me explain. He did not call mcginty a prostitute. In talking to an edit board, he was talking about the process and said part of his fallout with the Democratic Party is he had been told to fall in line, do it our way, or else, and that he felt the way the campaign was going when you dealt with washington was prostituting yourself. Sure, ill do what you say. He was implying her campaign was. Right, was willing to take this money. Its just not a good word choice. Its not a good word choice. Its not a good word choice. And that at a time where theres an energy level thats sort of ehh right now. But then you have at the top of the ticket, a female whos looking to win the nomination for the democratic nomination for the presidency, and then here you are down ticket you dont want to open up that window. You dont want to have charges of possible sexism. You dont want anything to rock that boat right here and right now. How much are rankandfile people talking about this . It happened, it was a twitter spat, her campaign fired back, and then i didnt hear a lot about it. No, i think this is a sort of chattering class issue. Ive said from the beginning that i thought joe sestak was gonna win this thing. Joe sestak is not a wellliked guy. Hes a difficult guy. And the Democratic Party establishment early on came out against him for largely those personal reasons and the fact that hes bucked the establishment line. But in this election season, people like that. Thats right. The zeitgeist might want a sort of angry crusader, and thats joe sestak. But, you know, and, tam, i love what larry said. This is the chattering class thing, but its also it is p. C. I mean, just because a female is running top of the ticket and shes supposed to be shes sort of like the frontrunner, we shouldnt be walking on eggshells about every single word or comment that we make. When i heard that word prostituting, and i only heard it when i read a column about it because it was kind of you know, it really wasnt news, i didnt think of it as, oh, hes calling her, you know, st. Mary magdalene. I just said prostituting has been used as a word for lobbyists, for those people who feed into the zeitgeist, the money. So i really i think were making much ado about nothing. If you look at the ads that she is running and that are being run on her behalf, its very much, its your turn, aimed at women, those women votes. Absolutely. Is that really gonna work in this cycle . Is it Getting Energy . Its hard for me to gauge if women are being energized by this. I havent seen a lot of energy across the board. Let me just say that first and foremost. But i go back to this opportunity that a lot of women are looking at to make history if they send Hillary Clinton definitively across the finish line and say, this is our candidate, and you can do it across the board. Pennsylvania has not sent a female as a u. S. Senator ever. So if youre really pushing and it didnt work so well for attorney general. No, we got that. But what im saying is if you are trying to push that history, why would you take the chance, if youre sestak, to rile up a really quiet beast where women outnumber men when it comes to voters . Why would you do that in this particular cycle . I mean, its just that if thats the little thing thats gonna get you excited and over the edge, why take that chance . But then again, from the other perspective, why would we be treating women as babies . That, oh, were gonna get so upset because a word was used incorrectly, or were being disrespected. To me, it doesnt matter what kind of language you use. If you want if youre fighting to be the first female senator from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania, dont get tied up and bogged down in these tiny, little niceties. I will point out in a lot of races, women have been behind, and there was a moment where somebody said something that you might think was small, and turned the race. Todd akin. People will wonder, was that the moment if it goes her way . This doesnt rise to that level, i dont think. No, it doesnt. And the thing is to get any part of an electorate riled up, you need a candidate that that niche gets enthused about. And so far, mcginty has not caught fire. She has not been an impressive, charismatic candidate on the stump. Which candidate has been, though . This past week helped her. Yeah, absolutely. Well, getting down to the wire, im sure well hear from them quite a bit. And speaking of hearing from them, we want to let you know in this space, 11 00, next weekend, jim gardner will be moderating a debate for the three democratic candidates. You will see katie mcginty, joe sestak, and John Fetterman all debating the issues. So be sure you check that out. Lets go on to the next race thats gotten a lot of attention attorney general. Now, Anthony Hardy williams and jim kenney didnt seem to be so friendly at the end of the mayoral primary last year. But we see them in an ad called we agree. And what they seem to be agreeing on is steve zappala, saying, we think hes the best candidate. We saw johnny doc, we saw bob brady come out and say, were supporting him. And now here comes the vanguard. At the same time, youve got josh shapiro, the hometown guy. The president , the governor, darrell clarke, who runs city council, eight City Council Members you know, you really its like which direction, the battle of the endorsements . It is enough for a guy from western pa to have the people that we have coming out now . Should josh shapiro be worried . When we first started talking about him, everybody thought josh was a shooin. Is it still that way . Well, lets just say this out in western pennsylvania, they go with their hometown guy regardless, right . Its only when you get to southeastern pennsylvania, you get the spats and the splits and what have you. So anything that could possibly splinter Josh Shapiros support here or just splinter the southeastern pennsylvania support is a dangerous thing because philadelphia people do not do as well in the western part of the state. So that being said, it also has to do with interior spats that are going on with the political process and whos where and, i didnt like what you did over here. And all of thats playing out right here, right now. At the end of the day, everybody wants to be kingmaker. And this is that opportunity, and theyre doing it through this particular race. Plus, zappala its a name in western pennsylvania that has been known for many, many years. Grandfather, father i believe on the supreme court. I mean, this is a great name. And what are the great optics for a western pennsylvanian to get the mayor of the city of philadelphia, you know, endorsing him. Yeah, although i think nias right. Both the kenney and clarke endorsement has nothing to do really with shapiro or zappala. It has to do with the sort of subterranean battle about whos the mayor, whos the shadow mayor, and the Power Distribution in philadelphia. But do you think the guys in western pennsylvania know that . No, i think thats true. So, politically, yeah, if im zappala, im, like, ecstatic. But i also think that just to gauge who the frontrunner is, all you had to do was watch the debate. And at the debate, both guys zappala and morganelli were attacking shapiro, so that said to me shapiro its his to lose if even marginally. And shapiro has been able to be a strong democrat and, at the same time, seem to have incredible appeal across the aisle. And the real thing is down in a primary situation does mayor kenney get you many workers on the street . I dont really think so. Will the labor support behind him help . Yes, that would help. And does it look like john rafferty, whos racking up d. A. Endorsements across the country, and across the state. Yeah, without a doubt. And in that matchup with shapiro, how does that look to you . Or zappala. Or morganelli. It depends on the top of the ticket, of course, and how big that is, and if youve got trump and cruz versus kasich, things like that, but i think youd have to give rafferty the edge. All right, lets go on to another race that sort of surprised us in terms of the primary getting a little hot. Thats the 8th Congressional DistrictSteve Santarsiero and shaughnessy naughton. Its a little bit hard to explain. Theyre going after each other but with so much fire over whether or not he authored gun legislation. Is he lying about his record . The overall question is are two whos going to win, and are they carving each other up for the republicans . Yes. [ laughter ] i mean, seriously, this is gonna be a fitzpatrick race more likely that not. And where we are right now, when you start to get into the weeds and the nuances, its just like, okay, just throw something up against the wall and see if something sticks. And thats really where it is. At the end of the day, youre saying, does this person support this type of legislation . Versus is this person honest . And thats really what the rub is can i get them on the honesty tip . But i really dont see the incumbent losing this one. All right, well, lets move on and take a look at i think weve talked about those three topics looking at that race. Lets talk about something well, no, actually, i want to backtrack and talk about the president ial because weve got the primary coming here. Is any of this going to matter when we look at trump and hillary, both of whom are far out ahead in terms of the polling . Any surprises that youre expecting for the Tuesday Morning here when we have our primary . Well, im a kasich guy, and i just keep thinking about that old saturday night live sketch when they had jon lovitz playing dukakis in 88, and theres a debate with George Herbert walker bush, and dana carvey does Herbert Walker bush. And then dukakis just says, i cant believe im losing to this guy. I got to think that thats kasich, whos actually done stuff and run stuff, looking at trump and saying, i cant believe im losing to this guy. There was a poll that said that kasich was gonna at one point, it was like 3330 trump. But now it looks like hes fallen if you believe the polls. So, i dont know. Its mindboggling. But bernie, who 27,000 people in new york in the middle of new york city coming out. Any chance he could surprise her here or no . No. Doesnt seem to be that kind of a state, whereas for kasich, it is a state that plays. Kasich is in the tom ridge, dick thornburgh, moderate to conservative republican, somebody whos actually done something. Those operations to the extent they exist are gonna be behind kasich, so i think he has a good chance of taking a stand. Can i just take a little deviation here . Weve been talking about the republicans and how its sort of like the p. T. Barnums circus and the debates and crazy. I just want to thank the democrats for sort of balancing it out the other night with the democratic debate because when bernie and hillary went against each other, it became personal. And it became a marco rubio, pants, you know, donald trump kind of moment when they were going back and forth about it. So, i think that while before we talked about the democrats as the adults in the room with the policy wonks and the respect, i think that theyre getting down into the dirt and weeds, too. And i think the republicans can be smiling a little bit. I think some republican ad makers were happy they had some material. You now what . To some extent just a final thought on this. Theres a little bit of lamentation about, i cant believe this process has gotten so ugly. To some extent, isnt it a great thing about american politics . You know what i mean . Maybe this is a moment of rebirth. And a historical thing its always been ugly in american politics. But i think the best candidate well see thatll do the best is donald duck just sayin. [ laughter ] at the rate its going, he might end up on the ticket out of cleveland. Lets turn to a serious topic the Macarthur Foundation giving 3. 5 million. They did this across the country. They picked out a number of cities. Philadelphia got the most money. The idea is reforming the prison system. We have almost 8,000 people in our overcrowded prisons, and they said, lets do some things differently. Can you cut your numbers by a third over three years . Theyre coming at it from a number of different areas. Can you do diversion . Get people into different programs, not arrest them, give them citations, mental health, better defense, any number of things, not cash bail, let them do something else. Assess them could they go home and promise to come back . Is this a good idea . Weve heard talk about it, but this looks like it will really move it forward, revamping our prison system. We have incarceration rates that are higher than the average. We have in one category of people when theyre first arrested, an average of 94 days before they get bail. Thats four times the national average. I think its wonderful that the Macarthur Foundation, a wonderfully respected institution, comes in with some other support and doesnt have a government answer. Its more lets try this, lets try counseling. Lets give it a shot. And you know whats really wonderful about this and kudos to the city of philadelphia for actually landing this grant because thats exceptional, number 1. But number 2, that it gives a thoughtful opportunity to step back and say, okay, how can we really impact things . We know when we see prison overcrowding, its really indicative of a lot of other social ails the schools that arent working, the jobs that arent there, et cetera, et cetera. We can go down the board. If we look at prison and incarceration as an opportunity truly to reform people, truly to say this is not just about punitive and just sticking people away so we dont have to deal with them anymore, but how do we get them back into society in a real way . You know, larry, we heard people talk about a lot of these ideas for the longest time, and it seems as though you could never get the money do this. And across the board, across political parties, across administrations, and it looks like theyre finally getting the money to do it. And this is a real opportunity, i think, and its an opportunity for reform, as nia says, but also systemic reform because one of the problems with the criminaljustice system now is there are so many agencies and so little communication between them. So having a laserlike focus on finding efficiencies in the system is actually the least sexy part of this but could have the biggest impact. Now, they didnt talk about the thing thats become hot in the press, which is media, which is community and police relations. They kind of left that out. Is that a glaring omission, or if they can work on these other things, thatll take care of itself . I think you got to focus in on this. This seems like a doable project with a 3. 5 million grant, and the other things are being addressed, but i think are broader and bigger and more endemic. Speaking of addressing things, commissioner ross came before city council, and he said, i got a problem. I got the lowest rates of the number of officers ive had in 22 years. Lets do this lets raise the age from 19 to 22 and get rid of the college requirements. You dont have to have 60 hours of college credit. Is that a good idea . You know, on an earlier panel a couple years ago or last year, i liked the idea ramseys idea of having the 60 college credits. I thought that that was extremely important. But unfortunately, you have to be pragmatic now and look at whats happening on the police force. Theyre at their lowest Staffing Levels in years. And if you can in some way guarantee the quality of the individuals without insisting on an educational pedigree, i think you should do it. And i also think that we should be kinder to our police officers, because theyre just not willing to enlist. The reason for this is in large part the drop program, which even rendell several years ago said was one of the worst ideas he ever had. Weve spent almost 300 million urging people to retire early, and thats whats happening. Thats really what it is. And politicians resign for a day and come back in and get their pension. Its the craziest thing. But we also dont have a developed pipeline, either, for those officers. If we had the pipeline, you have plenty of young people out here that could have actually pursued this, but theyre not being recruited earlier on. If we started that process and started those relations back to policecommunity relations yeah, we can do it. All right, well, well take a quick break and come right back to inside story. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. 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