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But he had heard of what he was a minor player in the rebel group but he led a group of about 102200 rebel fighters who didn't lay down their weapons and he stayed in the area on the border between Ecuador and Colombia which is rife with cocoa plantations and he became a very well known because he killed to equip their own journalists under driver it's the very fear why they were killed but there were kidnapped and I believe there were sort of closing up on him that was Nicholas Rush hour reporting you're listening to the world news from the b.b.c. British Navy Special Forces of stormed and taken control of an Italian cargo ship off the coast of Essex in southeast England which stowaways had threatened crew Police say 4 people have been arrested on the immigration laws the ship set off from Lagos in Nigeria 11 days ago had been due to dock at the British port of Tobermory police in Britain say they've arrested 2 people suspected of involvement with a legal use of drones which is severely disrupted flights in and out of the country's 2nd busiest airport Gatwick police have been searching for the operators since Wednesday evening when the 1st drone incursion took place planes were grounded for 36 hours more details from the B.B.C.'s chief cheers and 2 Sussex Police have arrested 2 people they haven't given out at the ages all the genders all the locations the weather is a rest take place but it is in conjunction with the drone sightings that has disrupted a lot of flights in and around Gatwick since Wednesday evening that has caused horrific travel disruption for tens of thousands of people the u.s. Justice Department says that the Chinese national Honda in turn has been arrested for allegedly stealing trade secrets from a u.s. Based on oil company he worked for officials said he had downloaded one. Hundreds of files were rated to the manufacturer of an unspecified product worth more than a $1000000000.00 They said he had taken the files for the benefit of a company in China that offered him a job and officials from the World Anti-Doping Agency who have returned from a 5 day visit to Russia say Moscow has failed to give access to crucial lab data required as part of the deal to reinstate Russia to the organization Russia had been suspended from water 3 years ago over its alleged state sponsored doping program the Russian Sports Minister said there have been technical issues and that's the latest b.b.c. News. Hello the time is 606 g.m.t. Welcome to Weekend that's the name of the program this is the b.b.c. World Service I'm poor Henley 1st up the u.s. House of Representatives adjourned without Congress passing a spending deal meaning a partial government shutdown began at midnight last night local time President Trump is locked into an argument with members over funding for his Mexican border wall project and he posted this video on Twitter as some government agencies began closing it's very dangerous out there drugs are pouring in the only thing that's going to stop that is great border security with the wall we're going to have a shutdown there's nothing we can do about that because we need the Democrats to give us their votes call it a Democrat shutdown but we need their help to get this approved Richard Painter was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George w. Bush and he's now a law professor at the University of Minnesota he joins us why is this happened exactly Professor. Well we've had these shutdowns. From time to time but usually to a dispute is over a broader range of issues of the budget one party wine to spend more money on on some types of priorities and others this is very strange that President Trump is fixated on this wall on the southern border you know expects and many many people here think that that is not the way to try to control illegal immigration they answer it with respect to illegal immigration is to find and prosecute the employers who hire people who don't have the proper work papers Wallace Doc could have the effect of people fly out of the country overstayed their visa. And there are many other ways people get help and stay so there's very little support for this wall. But people in both political parties protect let the Democrats right and this morning that they supported it's a real it's a real block Democratic bill kid is not much chance of sorting this out anytime soon as the well die not President Trump that cess on the cover his position here because the Democrats will not vote for the wall and most of the Republicans are very skeptical about the wall or they're just going along with it the please President Trump but very few of them really support the idea of the wall as an answer or immigration problems and the Republicans in the Senate are not willing to give off the rule of the sat at the 60 votes are required to pass the budget. And that will include some Democrats they do not want to go to a system where the mayor but Yardy the senators could jam something through because that happens when the Democrats get control of the Senate which isn't out of the bill at some point they could jam through all sorts of spending bashers so that. $5000000000.00 for that wall could end up costing us hundreds of billions of dollars down the road so there are many many Republicans are telling President Trump look we're not going to force this thing through and abandon the 60 vote role for the budget ascetic it's just Doc going to happen is it just lost in the president's discussion of this funding for the wool that he promised during his election campaign that Mexico would pay for it well see just the 8 shot his mouth off the cap it's that but 1st of all that we need the all and 2nd that Mexico was somehow going to pay for this wall which was of course absurd and they aren't going to and now he has very little support even his own party for for paying for this war with American taxpayer dollars and it's an ego trip for him at this point he doesn't want to bet that he's wrong so he's going to try and shut the whole government out of this how will the American citizens be affected by the partial shutdown Well the parks will be closed government buildings will be closed government workers many of them won't get their paychecks but they essentially services defense and law enforcement air traffic controller Olcott at the in place so the travel plans should not be interrupted including unfortunately I think President Trump is by just going to hop on Air Force One At some point to hop on that m r Lago at our expense. So it's the real problem is the government workers or Doc going to get their paychecks. Until this is sorted out that's just this time for Christmas and that's really very unfortunate 800000 government workers who have a very well docket paid over Christmas Richard painted from the University of Minnesota Many thanks General James Mattis has become the 13th senior member of President try. Top Team to jump ship this year resigning from his job as u.s. Secretary of state for defense the man once known as Mad Dog Mattis was said by some to be the last thread of sanity connecting the White House to reality the top foreign policy team has seen an almost complete turnover in 2018 secretary of state Rex Tillerson u.s. And u.n. Ambassador Nikki Haley and national security adviser h.r. McMaster had all previously resigned and in his resignation letter General Mattis made it clear his departure was because of serious disagreements over policy especially the decision to withdraw withdraw u.s. Troops from Syria Michele Flournoy was undersecretary of defense under President Obama Jim Mattis actually asked her to serve as his deputy under the trumpet ministration she said No I asked her what her reaction was to his resignation I think it's really a shame for the United States and for our allies and for the world to Madison brought a profound sense of duty principles and deep experience and perspective on the world and that was pretty important for an American president who doesn't have any foreign policy experience that as we've seen tends to be very impulsive and sometimes rations decisions and do you think it was just or principally the president's decision to withdraw u.s. Troops from Syria that sparked it. You know I think this has been building for a while there are many cases where Jim Matheson's advice has not been taken whether it was the withdrawal from the Paris Accords the withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement the use of u.s. Troops on the border and now not only the withdrawal from Syria but a significant drawdown in Afghanistan thank manis came to believe that he was simply not aligned that anymore with the president's policies or the way he was treating our allies in particular what's it like giving advice to this president clearly problematic Well I don't have any personal experience but from what I hear he can listen but he tends to always revert to a his campaign pledges be his instincts he believes he's the smartest person in the room on foreign policy even though he has now experience and let's be clear I mean this was a very bad week politically for the president and unfortunately I think he has used this announcement successfully to change the subject is very common measured about it but this is a defense secretary who was informed about defense policy by a tweet a public tweets from the president have absolutely no say now it's terrible so absolutely terrible and it's particularly terrible for the men and women who have put themselves in harm's way in support of the u.s. Strategy to have the rug pulled out from under them with no notice no explanation no plan to secure the hard fought gains that they've made and I think that's I don't know I haven't spoken to manage but I'm guessing that was kind of all asked you were told when she when you were offered a job under General Mattis in the Trump ministration Well I have tremendous respect for Jim Madis but I came much earlier to the belief that I would not be aligned with this president the particular aha moment for me was the announcement that must try. Bad President Trump is said to like having former military people in his cabinet he's had several of them a whole left now what does that say about the administration I think he likes the image of strength that having lots of military around him portrayed but I don't think he necessarily gels with either charming Aster or Jim Matheson that I think both of them are people who based on their experience are pretty clear in assessing situations and making recommendations based on a sense of u.s. Interests and values so I think he grew frustrated with people who were not simply loyalists but who would actually speak truth to power to make you be worried about America's interests abroad now. Absolutely the president has made or is about to make some decisions that are not helpful to our interests move in Syria the way it's being done will create a vacuum into which ISIS can step back in and start to repro it's going to play right into the hands of Russia and Iran it's a blow to American reliability and I think it's going to take us time to recover from this that was Michelle Flournoy former u.s. Undersecretary of defense under President Obama and James Mattis his initial choice to be his deputy a secular It's actually a defense she was speaking to us from Washington d.c. For 9 months Palestinian protesters have been gathering every Friday at various points along the Gaza side of the perimeter fence that separates Gaza from southern Israel this Friday a Palestinian teenager was shot and killed by Israeli forces while at least 25 others were injured by Israeli life fire according to the Palestinian Ministry of Ministry of Health Palestinians say that protesting for their rights and against the blockade of Gaza Israel says the militant group Hamas organizes the protest as a cover for its attacks Meanwhile people on the Israeli side especially the closest rural communities have seen fires on the land set off by incendiary kites and balloons and they live with the wider reality of tension flaring up between Israel and Hamas rockets fired from Gaza and Israel striking targets within it the B.B.C.'s Michel Hussein has been speaking to a group of young Israelis living in the Gaza periphery to get their personal perspective on this conflict My name is Ari I'm 22 well I've recently moved from a suburb of Tel Aviv which is a completely different world from closer to Gaza and it was quite a shock for me to experience from the 1st time to sleep in a safe room because of the conflict naming. Xtina react well and it's not like it in this town. It's constant even when it's quiet and they say quotes because I go to sleep and they heal blooms and bombs and this is my only by socks Hi I'm all free. There is no other nation but the country at war we always. Like to have a situation when you have to be in constant fear for your brother for your family for your friends. 23 years old. Most of the age of 23 they go to college go to sleep with friends I can do that because I am in constant fear that I need to be in the safe from everywhere I go the minute I came into place looking for the safe place how much do you know about what life is like on the other side of the fence in Gaza I think the most. But it's not always the truth I don't want to explain but I don't think everyone know what's going on there. I think. When I think about how these things actually my life is 8 and it's so sad to think that the children in my young brother was a can go play soccer outside if they were Palestinians here from Gaza they would say that the Israeli blockade is why they live in the conditions they do if they were able to say that to you directly how would you respond I would disagree. Maybe on the propaganda from the Hamas they have of course but it happens for a reason people are trying to shoot at my house I needed to give my dog away because I couldn't. I couldn't do that I was scared they chose it they had. Can any of you imagine all hope for a different kind of future or do you think that this is going to be the reality in this part of Israel for the foreseeable future so many. Forms the lot I'm 17 years old I was born. Blind it's my boat and my father. When I was 6 years old I was. Ok and I had to drag him through the house and lots of people who in my story oh you must hate him but no I respect every one of them even though because most of the but the things that we need to look to the future. Stuff but. I have to work with my parents used to go to Gaza and they used to have friends there fix their cars they're. There but no they couldn't do it I don't believe that something will say those Palestinians who protested peacefully as posts of what they called the Great Britain Mancini's some of them of the descendants of families that in 1948 to ended up in Gaza what do you think of them demanding their right to return all calling for their rights to be recognized from the information I get from the idea if they tweet or the Facebook everything we don't see any peaceful protest actually I don't really care because my Friday nights are in the shelter because I'm scared to go out to the synagogue and to eat dinner with my friends I call and do it I do think the point they are making is important that because I wouldn't want to not being able to be in my home so it's a tricky situation because people leave here and you can just. Roll way people so you can leave again in your house so I don't know. If there is a threat to civilians of Israel I trust the idea of to take from measures to return . Just for one thing that you would say to a Palestinian your own age living in Gaza and one thing that you would be prepared to give to them all to compromise in the hope of a better future for both sides I would tell them not to carry on in the footsteps of the forefathers of the parents of the government of everyone that they know because no one's born evil no one is born a terrorist and everyone has the possibility to change but it starts from a young age and if someone my age is able to change I think they can change a host of elevation and I hope society. First of all I will say sorry for everything sorry for my country ever heard specifically or your family or your friends and then I would ask. The views of one group of young people in southern Israel today on the hour tomorrow or rather on the World Service we'll be hearing from young Palestinians inside Gaza. Now Colombian security forces have shown dead one of the most one to dissident Fark rebels in the country func a former guerrillas of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia a peace deal signed with them in 2016 brought an end to 225 decades of civil war in Colombia while to add a silent known as quite show was wanted for the kidnapping and murder of 2 Ecuadorian journalists and their driver this year Joshua Goodman is news director for the Andean region of the Associated Press he's based in Bogota and he told me more about this man concerned Walter Adi's although it is a former rebel of Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia who joined the rebels when he was a teenager and joined the peace process a few years back but eventually deserted that process and Rita a car up in the jungle of southern Colombia with a bunch of similar minded few dozen former rebels just explain a bit more about why he was such a wanted man yeah I mean this guy was really despised especially because he was very active in the border region around Ecuador which is a major drug trafficking zone and he was behind he believed to be behind the kidnapping and killing of 3 Ecuadorian journalists earlier in the year and that's why he became such a major target basically he was seen as unhinged in terrorizing large areas of the population in southern Colombia near the border what impact on the peace process I call it a peace process even though a deal has been signed Will his death have. It shouldn't have too much of an impact at all on the peace process this guy was already outside of the peace process and was treated very much as just much of a highway bandit so there's going to be have an impact on the peace process but there are real questions about what this means for the levels of violence in Colombia overall basically what we've seen is that even though 7000 rebels have laid down their arms there's plenty of armed groups willing to fill that void and get involved most of all in the very lucrative drug trafficking business but this is a man who was specifically involved in phone violence was needy. He was but he is no longer a part of the fark of Fark right now is a political party they have members in Congress and they have laid down all of their weapons there a is a small minority maybe 10 percent of the rebels army at its height which has basically ring neg on its promise and gone back to the jungle to fight but these are really the rebels like they were before they were they more criminal gangs dedicated almost exclusively to drug trafficking and other criminal activity what have people where you all been saying about his death. I think there's a lot of people who recognize this is a big war trophy for a president do get this is probably the 1st or 2nd most important fugitive in the country right now but there's really no sense that taking him out is going to do anything long term to end this spiral of violence you've basically got large parts of the countryside neglected and very vulnerable to recruitment by criminal gangs like this one that alias watcher led President Duke a came to power partly on a take it of promising to crack down didn t. On the continuing violence yes and he was of course celebrating this as a big battlefield sector rates and Joshua Goodman then news director for the Andean region at the Associated Press he was speaking to me from the Colombian capital Bogota. It's 26 minutes past the hour James Gregg joins me with the latest sports news Hello James l.a. There it will yeah we'll start in Liverpool who stretched their lead on Friday night's the top of the English Premier League to 4 points with a 2 nil when the wolves most Sallis called Liverpool's 1st and sets of the 2nd for that Dutch sense a back Salah controls it killing cross back and finish my career played by Virgil van Dyke who goes Joe you know what I told you like you haven't Dykes performance on Friday and I'm the man of the match award which was very well deserved that's according to the former Liverpool defender Steven Warnock I just cocksureness tried to strengthen his thinking how could he go from strength to strength how does he get better but he seems to every week these razor pass in his home be one depended on the job the job where they would in any game all that win means that even if Manchester City be Crystal Palace later on Liverpool will still be top of the table at Christmas for Manchester United captain Roy Keane has blasted the club's current squad saying the players goes away with murder and behaved shamefully tools s.x. My job as a Marine yo kene claims that the behavior is indicative of modern play as you may say all week human beings the new cats a cabal going to solve shots takes charge for the 1st time on Saturday evening against his former side Cardiff in the Bundesliga league leaders Brasil Dolman restored the 9 point lead at the top after breaking beating Brasil at lunch in glad back to the wall the Confederation of African Football Ses Cameroon has agreed to host the 2021 Africa Cup of Nations the B.B.C.'s Nick Cavell has more cap today said that Cameroon has officially accepted to host the 202120 meant this comes after it was stripped of the 2019 edition because of poor preparations and security concerns but just 4 days ago caf told the b.b.c. That no decision on 2021 had been taken by the executive committee and that they would address 2021 which has already been awarded to Ivory. Post after the $29000.00 hosts we decided that would be at an executive meeting on the 9th of January the caf statues indicate that the awarding of the Nations Cup hosts shall be made by the executive committee and to some tennis news now in tie breaks will be played in the final set of the Australian Open for the 1st time in January if the match reaches 6 games old in the final set the win it will be the 1st player to reach 10 points in the tie break organizers have made the decision fall in the most extensive consultation in the history Wimbledon and sit in October it would be final set tie breaks next year as well all that change came after the final sets of Kevin Anderson semifinal joins us now to share lasted almost 3 hours thank you this is the b.b.c. World Service distribution of the b.b.c. 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News with Nick Kelly a partial government shutdown has taken effect in the United States after Congress failed to agree on spending bills President Trump has been at loggerheads with Democrats over his demand for $5000000000.00 for a wall along the Mexican border congressional Democratic leaders said they had offered Republican solutions for border security but the wall was expensive and ineffective the u.s. Britain and the way near have increased security assistance to Ukraine's Navy in the face of increased tension with Russia the u.s. State Department says it is increasing its financial support for Ukraine's Navy by $10000000.00 Meanwhile a British warship has docked in the Black Sea port of Odessa a move London says is intended to show support for Ukraine the Colombian security forces have shot dead one of the most wanted dissident Fark rebels in the country Walter Patricio a silo was wanted for the kidnapping and murder of 2 Ecuadorian journalists in their driver earlier this year he was killed in a jungle area close to the border between the 2 countries 2 people have been arrested in connection with illegal drone activity at a busy London airport drone flights disrupted passenger traffic at Gatwick for more than 30 hours British security forces have seized control of an Italian cargo ship near the coast of southeast England where stowaways reportedly threatened the crew 4 men were arrested protest in Sudan against prized rises for bread and fuel have turned deadly again but that least one person killed on Friday the Higher Education Ministry announced the indefinite cocksure of all universities in Khartoum state following 3 days of student protests and the u.s. Justice Department says that the Chinese national honkin Tan has been arrested for allegedly stealing trade secrets from a u.s. Based all company he worked for officials said he had downloaded hundreds of files for the benefit of a Chinese a.b.c. News. It's. Hello welcome back you're listening to Weekend with me Paul Henley coming up in a few minutes our correspondent in Thailand revisits one of the British divers who helped rescue a group of boys who were trapped in a cave there this summer you can't go anywhere at the moment without scrutiny considering sake a photograph of you here I come a celebrity I think I should start charging don't you will it change your life but no I'm the same guy I'm not I'm not a hero. Just just in the right place at the right time really that's coming up a bit later on let me introduce our 2 guests this morning today they are Kevin Maguire who's associate editor of The Daily Mirror a big British newspaper and I live Scott who's a journalist and author specializing in Turkey and Al if you're not able to go to Turkey are you for the time being what's stopping you I have an entry ban in place by the minister of interior and why is that because my job they never give you the real reason why they're in fact give you any reason because if they do you can appeal the decision so but I know it's and it's for that and your mum's Turkish and yes so you and you've spent quite a lot of time there you lived in Istanbul for a while I lived I lived in a symbol for about 6 years working freelance for a number of papers mainly British papers so you have lots of contacts there still but it's probably difficult for them to be in regular contact with you is it especially journalists Yeah I mean I actually feel a certain amount of moral responsibility sometimes not not to endanger people just by getting in touch with them because you never know to what extent messages are read or specially if someone is arrested and your contact is found on the phone or messages it's and you talk about the danger for journalists Yeah it's real and present definitely I mean I know I know people in prison I mean it's very real and I feel lucky that I've just been banned rather than. In present Welcome to the program thank you life welcome back and Kevin your working time is consumed by Breck's it I hear these days is the much else going on absolutely dominates British politics takes the oxygen that would have gone to many other issues and week after week I think I want to write about something else maybe it's education housing health the economy or keep coming back to bricks it becomes the clock's ticking down to 29th of March and every week we say it's crunch time is it now gets crunch Ehrenkranz. The crunch time my debt never happened if we can't carry on kicking the ball down they what's the word wrote kick the can down lean right down the down the road of course as well as the European Court of Justice ruling. Britain could unilaterally unilaterally withdraw from Lee Article 50. Departure process but it was an exam titled there's no sign of January the 14th is the next crunch time when outs of the week when threes are made the prime minister has to have a vote in parliament on the plan it's all been put off so people can have a Christmas holiday even though there are fewer than $100.00 days to go that's true in part it's also put off because the prime minister admitted Ishita pushed the plan in parliament you'd have lost you have been defeated so she plays for time it was not described as a blackmail Brock's it she hoped to panic M.P.'s into supporting her plan if the alternative is perhaps crushing out with a deal or no Bracks Well let's talk a little bit more about that because in the context of this past week the British prime minister to resign May went to parliament to update M.P.'s on her latest discussions with Brussels she degraded deal on Bracks it with the e.u. Which now needs the approval of Parliament as you mentioned Kevin the votes being delayed until January because there is not enough support not just from the opposition but also from the governing conservatives the Labor Opposition Leader Jeremy called been accused Mrs May of wasting $4000000000.00 worth of public money preparing for a no deal Bracks it in order to push through her plans for leaving the e.u. On her terms in parliament he called for an immediate vote on the withdrawal agreement she's holding power limit and a country to run so she is irresponsibly risking jobs investments and our industries there have been no changes so she must put her deals on the boat about one must take back control. Resumed the Georgina's house for no deal Mr Speaker isn't this just a deeply cynical maneuver so much feelings and it's really ridiculous prime minister in response the prime minister made. Reference to seasonal British pantomime is to mock Jeremy Cole but they said they put on of those no confidence then they said they wouldn't then they said they would then they did it but it wasn't effective I know this is the Christmas season and the pines and I see the 2 we see from the labor front bench on the right side of the joint is going to put a confidence back oh yes he did this was. By one point during these exchanges as the prime minister was speaking Jeremy Coleman could be seen mouthing the words stupid woman at the end of Prime Minister's Questions that was picked up by one of the conservative vice chair as Paul Scully this here where we be celebrating 100 years of women getting the vote do you think it's appropriate language because my right I will friend to code people stupid women in this chamber I. Thank. God I say smiled a boyfriend very good I think everybody in this house particularly in this 100th year anniversary of women getting the vote should be aiming to encourage women to come into this chase. And shoot I'm sure that they will use appropriate language in this chamber when they are firing female that they will shortly afterwards Jeremy Corbin denied having called to resign made a stupid woman during Prime Minister's Question Time To date I referred to those who I believe are seeking to turn the debate about the national crisis facing our country into a pantomime as stupid people think of this is because I did not use the words stupid woman about the prime minister or anyone else and I am completely opposed to the use of sexist or misogynist language in absolutely any form at all well 8 even split the lip readers on whether or not he had. Called her a stupid woman we have no definitive answer on that it's a stupid debate though isn't it and it shows the level of of of discussion in the British Parliament Yeah absolutely I think it's use the words Kevin he said using up all the oxygen I totally agree I think it's an absurd bait and. I think in other news today you know this news that Grayling. Shelved the drone or this isn't the 1st Grayling the transport sector yet Johns was actually and this string fiasco got WIC it's another example of the fact that. The legislation has been just not Don And in this breaks it Turmel it's a complete waste of time breaks it just eases up my own money but being claims the country's barely being governed quiet because of the Bracks it debate is true. At times it feels like it actually cost the Caribbean government but there's not a lot of innovation as not a lot of room reform is not a lot of change because at the moment in government departments it's only speak to secretaries of state they're all obsessed with preparing for the possibility that we crush out with a deal like the Labor opposition keeps on trying to turn the debate back to domestic and social issues but one suspects sometimes largely because they haven't got a clear opinion on President absolutely no policy at all. The opposition Labor Party on the left is as divided as the governing right wing Conservative Party on on how to proceed on this issue with a large proportion growing proportion of the Labor party wanting another referendum favoring up leaving people have changed their opinions now they knew there was actually Bracks it means but the reason may is plowing ahead but social issues will play to labor on the left for health education equality they played them but it is Bracks just keeps coming by. And it is such a huge issue when Britain's relationship with $27.00 the nearest neighbors 43 percent of the U.K.'s trade is with the other 2027 it is just a big issue I'm not leaving the BRICs a theme just yet the European Union has a rotating presidency where every member nation takes a turn at chairing negotiations and coordinating things come the 1st of January remaining will be in charge and it'll be a challenging job for them not least because that presidency encompasses Britain's famed withdrawal from the e.u. I've been talking to the remaining foreign minister théodore met and Kanu about his approach to Bracks it we concede that it is essential for the European Union member states to have an we've grown up going to him and which will meet an orderly and predictable the chair of the United Kingdom from the European Union and they have to tell you they honestly that the main is in agreement with that proposed part of the agreement of. The United Kingdom and our side of them from the European Union and 3 or thought well it's just reporting the political statement of that that ation concerning the should share framework of that Ignatius between the European Union and the u.k. Getting all these. We supported the idea of unit that it was ition at the level of the European Union and we expressed our regret about the political consultation popular course or Titian in your key now or so from out point of view when we speak about the future is the idea of kids being u.k. As closely as possible to the European Union so you are reading verbatim really from the Brussels rule book you must be proud of the way the E.U.'s held together as one negotiating force in this. A Yes Riyadh because otherwise it would have been very hectic without the composition or eat but it is going to be very hectic it threatens to be absolutely chaotic in 3 months time doesn't it now if you k. Is accepting if you have a vote in the Parliament we are approving the political declination for the church at it and ship of the u.k. With European Union practically we have the legal basis for containing afterwards but just to be clear. Is preparing is it for a no deal bricks it is it gives up to take the reins of the e.u. Presidency you know in principle we are not looking at it as the 1st option but as you said of course that we are prepared for everything and it's up to you to to decide if there is such a decision a bit practically create an issue about how to continue the relations between the u.k. And the European Union and 1st of all if the element is not the getting with the agreement of which they're all will have to do have some consultations about the British vision about the future of the relations between United Kingdom and ear opinion what kind of possibilities a custom duties a free trade zone a single market what would be that elation ship from the point of view of defense and security but in that it what is our intention is to start at the hour by that the negotiation with the u.k. Because we have a strategic partnership where you Kate and our idea is to try to transport me in an instrument which will create the basis of our Should chip cooperation in all of the fields from the political defense security the economic issue is what everybody in crew. Culture education and other fields of interest I mean yeah and and you Kate do you feel for to reason May as she tries to push her version of a deal through parliament you have sympathy for her she desperately needs something back from Brussels now doesn't she that are not too many possibilities because you think the European Council in brass. One week ago. It was a clear indorsement by all the European Union members of the provisions of the agreements of the east at all and the provisions of the political the clinician I don't see very well what could be done we have very open we are interested to help but we have to see what city the idea behind it what could be that do you worry about the fate of 411000 remaining ins currently in the u.k. That's a dramatic increase 142000 just a decade ago yes it is one of the key issues for us during the certain period of that may have the meeting with what he just said and they raised this issue and he told me that there would be no problems I asked him Can you really. Give some assurances on this you after all justified in his that is myself and he said yes because if he then thousands of doctors and nurses from Romania leaving United Kingdom he asked care system in Great Britain we suffered a very severe blow that was the remaining Foreign Minister Teo door Mellish Kanu finishing that interview talking about the former British foreign minister Boris Johnson and his famous championing of the British n.h.s. I can't imagine the Boris Johnson would give many interviews in this country saying that Tao much the n.h.s. Will suffer with the loss of Romanian doctors nurses can you out of no I definitely think they I mean there are so many points during that interview that I just you know the sort of cringing comedic sort of sense of the words orderly and predictable I think the the he said at one point people are going to cling to something I don't know but I mean it's just so the open. Of orderly and predictable that it's just it's almost cruel to use those words about right well to be fat hasn't happened yet it Kevin be orderly and predictable couldn't it it could chaotic and shambolic on the way but if it was very disorderly and predictable but perhaps everything will well be all right on the night however the truth is I know I'm convinced as I remain convinced there's no better deal than being in and however you come out you damage your economy and people who voted to leave voted to be poor and threatened to be we can recover addicts don't believe we can get away from that Boris Johnson everything will be all right is Boris Johnson's approach to politics so everything will always be alright listening to that interview it's quite hard to pin blame on the European Union for their stance in the negotiations I kissed him perhaps lightly unfairly of reading from the e.u. Rule book there but but that has not been a crack has that Al if any and I wrote and and the e.u. Team of negotiations under Michel Barnier like them or loathe them have delivered precisely what they said they would deliver 2 years ago yes completely which is why it's so insane that. The press has a claiming that you know there's proof that there were they sent to which we're being badly treated by the proves that they were right only Much of the British public does believe that doesn't it Kevin know absolutely the the referendum was was won on a grievance and that somehow Britain was losing out on being taken for a ride by the European Union but really incredible the unity of 27 countries showing more unity than the British Cabinet interest in his cabinet her ministers squabble more than the other 27 and from time to time she's hope to get the support of the dot the Danes the poles and never materialized just hasn't happened and that's. Right from the beginning the sequencing of the negotiations of the divorce payment the rights of citizens for a European Union in the u.k. U.k. In the rest of Europe. And the Northern Ireland question the European Union as well led the negotiations all the way if there were a 2nd referendum on this issue Alan it's far from a foregone conclusion in the book that it could be do you think there would be a more sophisticated debate in the months leading up to it well I would hope so cause I think there's been enough written and discussed to generate a proper debate but at the same time it doesn't give them confidence that it's sort of I mean it's so ironic that. Every one of. The Having like they're in a pantomime because her. Behavior hasn't exactly been pantomime like herself but I do I do worry that it wouldn't materialise and that in the event it would just be seen as a sort of equally shambolic scramble I think that the worst criticism that the e.u. Has thrown at Britain with regard to its debate was to call it nebulous Is that right you feel be on top of this much more than any given Never was a terrible debate back 2 years ago full of lies and deceit on both sides got to be said but it was driven by the fears of a migration a lot of those fears were myths and we will be discussing that in the next hour of the program the whole migration debate but 1st let's go to Thailand and a town in the north on the pony's border that's become famous around the world because of a good news story this past year about 13 boys who got trapped in a cave there back in the summer or many describe as a miraculous rescue of the wild boar footballers and their coach dominated headlines are Southeast Asia correspondent Jonathan Head has been back to family Wang at the cave to find out how the stories change the whole community there. He. Is still 5 months since I was here at the entrance of the cave and it's all very different now gone are the armies of volunteers the divers coming out to have their tanks filled the pumps bringing out torrents of water the mud everywhere splashing the journalists in its place there's a brand new museum building which will commemorate the extraordinary rescue that took place here at the Plymouth west shore maybe I'll be erecting a statue of someone to announce the tide diver who died during that rescue attempt and of course the 12 boys and their coach will be here to witness it. Here today when they arrived on a motorcade a vintage cars behind the truck carrying the statue all in neat purple shirts looking cheerful and a lot less skinny than the last time we saw them many of the time divers volunteers and officials involved in the rescue were also there and 3 of the foreign volunteers who hugged each of the boys whose lives they'd saved British caver work was one of the 1st on the scene after they disappeared back in June and he used his intimate knowledge of time along to help guide the divers these days he's a local celebrity. For me still quite emotional. Their family. You know we can all say they are very lucky and they probably are but they did amazingly well to survive those 1st 10 days what about you you can't go anywhere at the moment without scrutiny wanted to take a photograph of him become a celebrity I think a fit start charging don't you will it change your life on the same guy I'm not I'm not a hero. Just just in the right place at the right time right. The Thai government won't allow the boys all their families to be interviewed without a lengthy screening process but I did manage to speak briefly with coach who shared their old deal in the cave. I feel great he said as he thinks some good on every day and thanks him. A massive rescue operation disrupted the lives of local people damaging many of their farms but today they have been repaid for their sacrifice from just a handful of visitors a day now thousands drawn by the dramatic rescue story missing things I think the us cannot came out but. They can't. We all felt the same. So I want to see the real plays that they sat in that cave still have a chance to come to I. Been here since. This morning clove tourists just hasn't stopped and as a result of that. 500 meters on either side of the entrance to the quay is lined with stalls selling actually a fantastic variety of local projects this is made a very big difference to the local economy. Selling all the delicious looking grilled sausages and. How Things changed for you know the people living around here since the rescue. And. Market but now she. Here. Better. It's become an auspicious place to buy a lottery ticket as well as last tickets which was the lucky one. Then you could make it become a hammer one like the number 13 she says that's the number of boys and a coach who is stuck in the case and 38 the deceased diverse among good and age although why he's considered lucky isn't really. Your body is back on the record. 6 not the boys' lives have returned to their old routines school of course and football training wise though it's not quite as it was this is a coaching session offered by Manchester City and they've already visited Argentina London and Manchester united body as you thought it was the most famous young footballers in the world still getting plenty of international attention part. Of the way I was Jonathan Head reporting from northern Thailand nothing like a good news story there aren't that many about other Kevin know absolutely every draw my grip the world and we didn't know what the outcome was going to be was good news although of course a Navy diver did die but the boys were brought out I can understand why people want to go see those caves I probably do it myself if they have done it it would be in a very very different to being ghoulish to then go because it's it's good news and it's pretty miraculous I got out there it was hard not to be gripped wasn't Yeah absolutely as it is sort of at a time when there's barely any good news it became even more compelling but I think I would slightly disagree with you having about the ghoulish nature of I mean yes it would I agree it would be ghoulish to go if they had died but I'm always struck by this phenomenon of crisis tourism I don't know if you know but I mean for example in Istanbul after the Gezi Park protests I was really struck by these groups of mainly American tourists who were paid to be taken around and shown the broken windows and graffiti and and there you know these kind of riots. Tours going around it's a healthy thing isn't it shows people have on the real concerns of a country and they're not just doing a Disneyland I don't know about that because it sort of turns into a bit of it is new and it does there isn't ghoulish nature to it and there is this slightly a we digress but I think we're sad to tigress I think I think whether it's a good outcome or bad outcome if it's that famous if that many people have been gripped by it they're going to go and what's more striking I think is also the fact that it's commercialized so John and I was talking about the people testing up and selling sausages or whatever that that happens naturally anyway in Paris people notice and sometimes deliberately go to the better class. Of the terrible terrorists to try to do that but I think if you're in Thailand you go to the cage you can probably take a picnic now happily. If people had done we were very nice friends yes Kevin Maguire and Alan Scott are our guests here on the weekend much more to come on this edition of the program during the course of the next hour and a half or so we're live from London from the b.b.c. World Service. This is Connecticut Public Radio n.p.r. Interview n.p.r. H.-d. One merit and 90.5 The p.p. Katie and p.k. t h d One Norwich 89 point one e.d.w. F.m. Stamford at 80 point plan the r l i Southampton at 91.3 and npr dot org. Throughout this year it seemed another big news story was always on the horizon a very treacherous 2 and a half mile journey down this twisting cave these are operational missile bases that pose a threat to the United States to South Korea day after day all things considered I get you through keeping you up to date digging into the details listen every afternoon to hear the bigger picture from n.p.r. News. Weekday afternoons at for. 7 hours g.m.t. This is the b.b.c. 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