Talk to the filmmaker John Waters America's auto tour of the Scout Ranch. More of our drug problem for us plus. A live performance by Dirty Projectors. Will be wallowing in dirt on Studio $360.00 each right after this. From n.p.r. News in Washington. President Trump is downplaying the role that abortion politics will play in his choice of a Supreme Court nominee to replace retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy N.P.R.'s Barbara Sprint reports during his presidential campaign Donald Trump repeatedly said he would appoint conservative judges who would overturn Roe v Wade 1973 court decision that effectively legalized abortion in the United States but here's what he said when Fox News host Maria Bartiromo asked him if he would ask potential nominees beforehand how they would vote in future cases that could challenge. They're all saying. That you should. 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News Washington several new laws take effect in Idaho today Boise State Public Radio's James Dawson reports one of them requires clinics providing abortion services to tell patients they may be able to reverse certain pregnancy ending procedures women take 2 pills during a chemical abortion a handful of doctors say the fetus can survive if the mother is given high doses of protest around between the 1st and 2nd pill but many medical groups say those claims aren't backed by science I hope will now require that doctors inform patients about the option and if requested provide them with a referral to a doctor who offers the procedure another of the state's new laws will allow people to use deadly force in self-defense without 1st trying to retreat at least 24 other states have passed stand your ground laws which have led to controversial cases like that of the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida for n.p.r. News I'm James Dawson in Boise Idaho Mexicans are. In a presidential election today as Carrie Kahn reports party officials for the frontrunner say. If the polls are correct 60. Days presidential election. 50 percent of the vote party. Congress Senator. Supporters need to be on the lookout for Mexico. She says Party officials are hoping for a clean contest. For any case. Of fraud. Conducted by the group Citizen Action showed that more than a 3rd of eligible Mexican voters say they have been given or promised some sort of compensation for their vote Carrie Kahn n.p.r. News Mexico. The Israeli military says it's deploying more forces and stepping up humanitarian efforts on its from tear with Syria as people flee Syrian government airstrikes against rebels and head to the Golan Heights one of France's most revered politicians the late Simone. 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This hour of Studio 360 where you are digging up dirt and reveling in it for instance a few years ago there was an exhibition in New York called swept away at the Museum of Arts and Design every work in the show was entirely made there girder dust dirt track pollution schmutz we asked Henry offered to check it out and he brought along a buddy the biggest slob he knows the show that we're about to see is dedicated to quote stuff we leave behind or deem unclean or strive to remove or discard or just skies or hide and I am I making you nervous no no this is like my apartment Yes makes sense to me that's Dave Hill he's a writer and comedian who's been on h.b.o. And Cinemax and This American Life he lives in a pigsty my apartment yeah. Is it's not like a Madison gross actually it's way worse than Oscar Madison a while back Dave had an infestation of mobs he bombed the apartment but then didn't bother to clean up after the bombing worse a few months later he had a nasty surprise when he pulled out an oriental rug he'd stowed under his bed. It was like sort of bubbling like its own ecosystem of like a large. And. Currier something. I had to take a good hard look at myself after that we went up stairs to the exhibition the 1st piece we looked at was a Paul Hazelton sculpture in which the artist had smoke a dust covered cleaning cloth into the shape of a human skull it looks really nice like feel like he had a real skull to work with and that's what frightens me about it that he pressed the cleaning. Against a real skull to get the shape right yeah are like in the one hand and he was like wait I don't get that weird nose thing that happens with skulls right. Now and I mentioned just found this near claws that only you didn't make it on purpose you would have to move. Next we looked at something called a Soil Map So here's an 8 foot by 10 foot plastic tray filled with 15 years worth of soil samples taken from all 5 boroughs of New York City I was going to guess that's what this was Dave was unfazed by the cubic yards of dirt before him I guess goes to say everything's covered and here is the theory that I came up with my spare time and then one night I met a guy some sort of epidemiologist like a public health person so I said tell me if I'm right is everything covered seem to pieces and he said yeah basically So it's a good this is what I've been saying since you know the eighty's know when to say if you can run from it basically what. I want to rents I need I need to you can't what's happening. I need to make my delusions pollutions that French. How do you spell that. We looked at a series of wooden sculptures of crows all of which had been burned to charcoal what's interesting is a it's smells right you can smell the fires and some of the charcoal gotten up on the walls and. Yeah this might be my favorite. Semipermanent fire recently I don't cook had often but when I do I really had it out of the park. When we stood in front of a quilt made from dryer lint he got to talking about how it's sometimes easier just to buy new underwear rather than washing old pair but that sometimes in his haste he absentmindedly buys underwear that's not the right size I wear the underwear that's too big and it grates at me and that's what's going on with me right now and can't but can't you just cinch up the waistband you can cinch all day but it's never going to solve the problem I mean look at it it's. Yeah that's right there are little pictures of crabs on the underwear that kind of sends a message yeah I know who you're dealing with Toward the end of the exhibition Dave started to reflect on what he'd learned from the show I realize few things is that there's beauty in the most unexpected thing if you just push it together into a cool shade. Of way do you think this exhibition will may. See people warm up to see people what I hope that it is. Aside from make for some great 1st dates this makes wakes people to the fact that we're all messy people literally messy emotional and messy spiritually Masti psychotically seek comfort and semen and feces. On the way out. We stopped to look at one more thing a work by an Italian artist named Antonio. He'd incinerated his favorite books and then put the ashes in hand-blown glass decanters and beakers the burned books made us a little uncomfortable but the hand blown glass was beautiful he does a lot of fancy reading some of these are in other languages also. Misspelled wall women. As well with men talk about sloppiness. Drives me crazy typos and proper punctuation and things like that. I don't know I speak. My spelling isn't packable. That was the comedian Dave Hill along with the author Henry offered up the way it was at the Museum of Arts and Design in New York in 2012 David Hill is now on his world stand up tour and we offered new book is called and we did. Almost every parent is familiar with one particular piece of modern design but the design critic Philip Noble has gone much further really scrutinizing and appreciating the very complex design of disposable diapers you open up this pack of diapers and now comes this incredibly complex articulated piece of clothing you know the only modern analogue for us is the space that. It's got you know contours and features and closures and there's no garment I can think of except the space suit but it's close to complexity of the contemporary disposable paper. They come folded and they're worn cops and so you never see them flat but if you if you pull them out flat and they're remarkably beautiful objects. It's hard to list the features in a way because they're so some of them are just you know very subtle material changes that allow the fabric to bunch in a way where where these very enlightened designers of the central and decided that fabric needs to bunch but the other kind of gross features of the thing are they need to mazing baby proof Velcro patches as they come around the sides and and allow for repositioning for the inexperienced parent and also for ease of access and more about access there's a kind of of a liner that must have some working function in behind the line or there is some mystery jail that it took me a few few changes to realise that absorbs so much moisture that it just thickens when it's wet I shudder to think what has been. Because it's so it's doing what it does with such single minded vigor there is this whole system of gussets there are these tiny little thick threads that are this raised kind of plastic ruffle and . It has a kind of Japanese empathy it's made of a piece of paper wrapped around these 2 elastic threads which are I guess or pretension So when the paper is folded over them and then they're released today they form the ruffle. Triumph of the diaper is that all of these there's a kind of organic system to these features and they all come together into this one saying which still at a distance matches that kind of cartoon the diaper you know fluffy white thing it's only when you get close enough to see its complexity that you realize that something is not sinister and at least very curious she's going on. The bottoms of America's babies. That was the architect and critic Philip noble. Coming up. When a smutty book that show popular the reporter even her mother is a reader for I didn't know it was perverted. When I picked it up on I heard it was number one on the best seller list how the B.D.'s I'm not Bill 50 Shades of Grey became the biggest bestseller of the 21st century That's next on Studio 3 a. In New England the weather is always changing listen for a weather forecast for meteorologist Garrett our Giana Story Morning Edition and All Things Considered so for it comes from 2 men and a truck. In this week's On the media the world's getting hotter and it's not global warming the red headed expulsion of Sarah Sanders Huckabee and Maxine Waters called to shame other Trump officials has escalated into all out media war and collapse and civility in politics has everyone agreeing on one thing that they're going to miss this week's On the Media. Listen this afternoon at 3. And you'll hear the story of a woman who answered a personal ad to live on a desert island for a year this week snap judgment that's Friday night at 11 barber and you're listening to Connecticut Public Radio. Support for Studio $360.00 comes from Babel offering a language program that uses interactive dialogue and speech recognition technology to teach a new language like Spanish French or Italian Babel is available in the app store or online at Babble dot com. 3. 1 Today studio $360.00 We are looking at smart in all its forms whimsical and Monday literal and figurative. When booksellers and publishers convened in New York City for their annual Book Expo America in 2012 there was a lot of talk about e-books social media self publishing and this strange old fashion phenomenon a printed and bound giants of blockbuster that had appeared from out of nowhere as you probably know of great tells the story of a young woman and the handsome zillionaire she likes to ravish her. The author is James 1st self published her novel as fan fiction based on the Twilight series all the vampire and where will scoff was deleted and vintage books published it in 2012 and of Walla the 50 Shades trilogy soon occupied all the top spots on the New York Times fiction bestseller list for months and months. And already at that 1st book expo it seemed like all anybody could talk about if you go into all the everyone has their article but featured Now did you notice that yes you know most publishers now have an erotic fiction line and are hoping to somehow discover what it is the magic but we're buying a lot more can now yes I'm saying the customers are buying as well she she's made it you know rustic fiction so she accepts we have b.d.s. And novel just about to come out which is why 50 Shades of Grey is you know bondage sadomasochism where reassuringly. Very reassuring repackaging 3 of and races old novels this year and in like 1983 they're supposed to be pretty crazy or. As an agent I've received at least 6 proposals by clients and clients about joining a 50 Shades of Grey type book I made the challenge of doing these types of books is to get them out 1st it within the next season or 2 will see all the books that are derivative of the of the mothership so to speak the old days the tried and true way of going through the ages going through the whole process with every single publisher still exists obviously but now there are ways for people to get their books published it say Martin's Press we have published a couple of authors who started with just online chapters what we've seen is that once the print books actually hit the market that both the print books and additional books have been creating demand for each other it's made e-books for mommy porn a lot more and a viable option because mommy's can read it whenever and nobody knows what they're reading so you don't have the cover of the book that shows a bodice ripper that's really embarrassing to read you can read it nobody knows what you're reading and then you go home and have a good time with your husband. Wait. Those were people attending Book Expo America in 2000 well our story was produced by Eric Molinsky. So who were all those millions of people reading 50 Shades of Grey we dispatched Rebecca Lee Douglas to find out and she wound up hearing things that she can't hear and this should go without saying but our story includes some explicit sexual content. Like the sign says the Strand Bookstore and downtown Manhattan has 18 miles of new used and rare books so it can be hard to pick a title from that crowd. But the 50 Shades trilogy is not hard to find it's right in the center of the bestsellers table saves customers the trouble of asking for it though some still do. Complete. Ownership. Or want that this is. A manager of the 2nd category. Is their 1st time buying. From a store. So there's a little bit more I guess. Heard of. 50 shades of sack and you know gets. Very popular. Excited about the book not just because it's kinky or because it's selling a lot. Works on the staff picks here she says 50 Shades of Grey has created a silent but really useful conversation between the store and its customers like if someone knows that a staff member is recommending this come on it's Ok if you think this is sexy people will buy it and they love it they might very well buy it love it and then head down to Soho to Babe land a woman own sex toy shop sales have been going up at a bland since 50 shades of grey at the best seller list. Conversations about the erotic are a lot more Frank of course we have a big rack that has. Floggers paddles and other assorted. Toys gave land co-founder player Cavanagh is showing me the B.D.'s. That stands for bondage discipline and sado masochism Kavanagh says they can't keep stuff on the shelves now. Because so many people are buying things you know so quickly it's hard to keep. The stores started workshops on how to use. The implements described in 50 Shades and the classes are so popular they filled up over a month in advance. They definitely find in the dungeon in the book these are floggers this is a. Letter to very long lines like soft leather on inside having on goes on showing me baby lands choice sometimes using words like sex positive it feels like college here but I've heard that the main customers driving the sales of 50 Shades are middle aged women I needed to find someone older I could talk to about this buck but how. RINGBACK Many of these speaking Hi Mom This is your daughter Rebecca Oh hi you were back and I am calling because the other day I talked to you about people who you knew were reading 50 Shades of Grey Oh yeah the sex trash thought right so let me pause here to say that I had no idea that my mom had read this book my mom who is 53 and usually reads historical fiction what you're about to hear is the most uncomfortable conversation I have ever had with her when I didn't know that it was perverted and weird sex trash when I picked it up I mean I heard it was number one on the bestseller list so I picked it up and then you know within like the 2nd chapter you just just see the. The kinky weirdness of it it's actually the 7th chapter but that's when protagonist Christian Grey brings young. To his red room of pain to show where all of his device is for flagellating and penetrating to tell dad about the book. You know I hope he doesn't know it. Does you did you enjoy reading it was a like a fun read for you really you know I mean it was quite interesting I did learn a lot of things I didn't know yeah like what did you learn. I mean there were all sorts of you know devices and things I knew nothing about before so Ok what are the devices that you know about now. Only cash flow like the butt plug. But I have no idea what they are I think I'll avoid but. Yeah we kept discussing the book but I was dying inside interviewing total strangers at bookstores and sex toy shops is fine but my mom and I have barely ever talked about socks I thought it was because she was the preferred Ok All right thanks Mom Ok honey love you right. That story was produced by Rebecca lead Douglas. You know what I'd be interested in seeing a parody of 50 Shades of Grey written and directed by John Waters he of course has been the can't be good natured master of the cinema since back in 72 when he released his truly shocking comedy pink flamingos. Hammer. But by the late 1980 s. Than 1990 s. The mainstream was flowing more in his direction and vice versa and he was making studio movies like Serial Mom I hate this exact moment to you know somebody to kill her good. For the sake of this planet somebody just might. And his old movie Hairspray then became a huge hit Broadway musical which was then re adapted for the screen by Disney. For 25 years John Waters has also been creating art based on still photographs an exhibit of which was shown at the New Museum in. York in the early to thousands we drove by Studio 360 Back then I asked him if there was a moment in his childhood when he 1st knew that he wanted to make movies Well I think I was an outsider 1st I didn't have much choice about that I remember you know our kids at the top of the stops in the front of our parents' talk and I heard my pet mother says she's just an odd duck and I thought oh that's sad Ok Great now I know you know that's my job in life to be a duck so I try to fill the gap that wasn't a horrible moment when you had your mother said No not at all I was glad she recognized it because I never was interested in what the other kids were interested in but I didn't bother me really I mean I wasn't hassled in school really because they thought I was nuts if I thank you for it's a great protection in a way as they were going to they were scared of you a little bit a little bit scared and if you can make them laugh and say I was always against authority those are the bullies didn't want to beat me up because I could say rude things. And were you a big watcher of television and a patron of the movie theater would you soak in that media culture very much so I was on the Howdy Doody shark and personally saw a Clarabelle up person which I've never gotten over the psychotic landscape squirting people with salsa water and flubdub great fashion sense I never got over how to do it and I'm here today because of the how to do so I may have seen you as a little boy watching how to Dougie from Omaha I may have seen you in the audience you might have and it was that really it must have been an exciting moment to see a real national television being made for that I think to many of the kids it was very much of a dozen years because you came in and you saw there was 1st time a little stays there a for Howdy Doody pop ups it was a complete completely fake but that was a great. Great wonderful thing to me that I realized it's all a lie and I want to be involved in this I want to be in this magic trick for sort of what I want to do forever so I became a puppet here for children's birthday parties and had quite a career when I was 12 years old what were your. Public characters like well they were Punch and Judy because I could have violence and Cinderella I had the 2 things at the end I would come out with a hand puppets month and I would come out with a dragon puppet and say which is violating all public tours or come out be on the stage when the kids see you as say that if the puppet but your hands are tied good luck one 3rd of the kids will start crying and flipping out the other ones loved it and that's still what I do so you are sort of a post-modern puppet here some are certainly views for Time me I would try to have some showmanship for my shirts are worth a lot of the characters in your films are from variously fringy corners of society despised and otherwise but again and again even in your earliest movies you sort of get audiences to love them despite their outsider status in Pink Flamingos I think if you make you make this hero out of a 350 pound transvestite In fact let's listen to divine from that film vowing to be the filthiest person alive which is one of her ambitions happy birthday cards though. You are no longer the bilby is personal my own are. These people who just as I oh I don't deliberate attempt of my I go these are obviously jealous people jealous of our careers and all of our past well I hope that they got the filthiest people are everyone knows that's what will become my trademark Why do you then that's why I'm here to even write that they're not the other party everyone fear it's likely that everyone thinks they are going to buy. Again that was the late to divine what was lovable about that character well this pink flamingos was certainly made at the end of the hippie years and it was there it was made in the air Deep Throat came out it was an air of a promoter for became legal so we tried to think what in a way could be humorous movie that could shock because the. I thought I had seen everything because that was my midnight audience so it wasn't a legal the things that we had the ending of thing for me it was the most notorious thing were divine needs to do but it enraged people because there wasn't a law against it yet there may be today because of that movie so we were trying to get people to laugh at their ability to still be shocked by anything and 1972 and of course the ability to be shocked which art for at least 100 years probably more has been one of its driving forces. That's pretty hard to shock people in 2004 as you know well I don't try to sharper but I try to make people laugh I'm shocked every time I got a bad movie about how sentimental obeys or house stupid it is or how obvious it is or how it's been written by 20 writers as if a computer and producers wrote I'm shocked all the time at the movies but not in a good way as your characters your film characters became over time as one looks back last outrage is less about. Giant transfer as well getting down to. Say a little something that he talked about serial marmalade emerged that's where I asked the audience to root for a serial killer so I'm not completely sure my last movie was subtle be demanding about some terrorists and I know it's about sex addict so I'm not so sure I'm doing anything different I think the public has changed and I mean I never tried to top 10 for me because I knew that I want them to real margarine crown of filth and the only person I've successfully challenged was Johnny Knoxville and he did it wonderful and he's the star in my memory he did Jack as I did it and so you were a big fan of that program very much sorry yes that's gross nothing that's great and this will never be forgotten was the film Hairspray a turning point for you because it was purely by comparison to your movies pretty warm and fuzzy Yeah I remember I got the p.g. Rating I hung my head in shame and thought I'd never work again I didn't try to do that I was amazed at the time it's hard to think of it now but I was nervous he was a white man making. A satire about civil rights that's not politically correct at this chubby girl who certainly is an outsider and just because it is embraced by Made 160 Baltimore society Yeah but it was also pro black and white couples and teenage years apart. Right Girl I mean there were things that now nobody thinks about but then I didn't know I didn't try to make a family thing it did and that was the perverseness about that families were watching divine now and not caring that it was a man dressed as a Roman and a woman that no drag queen would ever allow himself to look like you have as I mentioned at the beginning an exhibit of your work opening up a new museum a further embrace of by the establishment of John Waters Comey about the show well it's called Change of Life which for of Marblehead from a curator is great title I think some 5 I've been involved in the art road for always over collector but certainly for the last since about 99 he started taking these pictures off the t.v. Screen for myself about stills to create stills from movies that there was no such till it went from that to taking images from different movies and putting like an storyboards into a new narrative to tell a new movie with other people's images which is what I'm doing anybody can take pictures off the t.v. Screen but this really is about editing them writing and humor certainly putting it together star about how it all began but they're also from the look of the work we're Dr only seen in the catalog are really beautiful you know montage is that I think you and I mean one expects a lot from John Waters as work but not necessarily beauty in some conventional sense Well beauty is a word that you know I did a piece called Julia that it's a shot of Julia Roberts and I shot of Mr sardonicus you know with a strange mouth and I got the idea because I read an interview with Julia Roberts she said I look at a picture of myself I don't think I'm beautiful looks like I have a current hanger in my mouth and if you look up. Sure Julia Roberts would not have them followed his beautiful in the twenty's or thirty's and you look at a picture of Gretta Garbo today kids don't understand why people thought she was beautiful what is beautiful always changes I thought if I was beautiful I thought divine beauty to me is confidence and having confidence and style you can be ugly and beautiful Certainly it's about how you pull it off you just have to exaggerate your shortcomings and it can become a style you have to believe in yourself if you think you're sexy somebody else will your exhibit at the New Museum also includes films of yours that have really never been seen well because they're they're being shown in an art context kind of like a video are going to room these are the earliest films I'm right that I've only been shown once in a beat in a coffee house in Baltimore or in a church basement webs where every web service answers were come to us now you can look at these films that are they would never be censored but certainly you can see I lived in my parents' house they were filmed in my bedroom Divine is in them Mary Vivian Pierce mixed all when we were teenagers but you can see that some of the very idea that I still use today were in these films. For Catholicism stuff that the borrowing the appropriation of other images it's always been something that I have used in one of the me or make up we have the whole Kennedy assassination where divide players Jackie the re-enactment and it was 2 years after it really happened so people really didn't think it was funny they called this one festival called Not even the police there were words that called the internal revenue and so I couldn't charge admission in the church that's a new kind of censorship isn't that and I mean router and calling the police very interestingly effectual kind of says yes it was we passed the basketball. It's interesting to think about how in cultural terms it seems as though in the last 40 years has been a March of the gay sensibility into the mainstream. Which I guess has been a good thing for you to the degree that your work. Has been an expression of a kind of perverse gay sensibility Yeah I think I'm gaily incorrect and I always thought I was gay nobody made a big deal of that because they were afraid that the answer to my sexuality was somehow worse than k. So the press appeared away from that because I remember someone played at the end of their mind soon as they thought Now as I never feel like God knows what they thought you know I can start disappoint I'm not but. Certainly to me gay is not enough either I think progress is admitting there is bad gay films too but certainly at the same time the gay audience has been there from the very beginning but my gay audience doesn't like gay culture they make fun of it so my audience from the beginning where the gay outsiders that didn't fit in the gay culture so double outsider Yeah it's interesting you know all that we're talking about today how so often what is outside in our culture maybe in all cultures becomes sort of eventually embraced by the mainstream and you think of a a category that is so widely used as a piece of Naaman clencher today alternative. You know it's sort of turning the outsider into this permanent establishment category as a way to sell stuff when already is I mean when I started out we used the negative reviews for my films and the ad campaigns Pink Flamingos the entire campaign was negative reviewers but it was the kind of negative reviews no critic would write to that because all critics were hip none of them would say this is disgusting this would be censored that kind of thing that's impossible today to do that because then it was awesome versus them and there was a cultural war we won and all the people that were there us them are now them the critics so you can't do that anymore and no one's going to rise to that bait I wonder if it's if it's the same the way that the outsiders become the academy that happened 10130 years ago with the impression is that suddenly they were the they were the outsiders in. 30 years later they were running the show of course it's always worked for an hour and then the new kids that come along that think of things to a family the people the generation before them that should have just had sex fast that's the new thing that's youth duty to a fan the generation before of them just when they feel comfortable that they've changed things John Waters thanks a lot for joining me today in Studio 360 thanks for having me. 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The rock band Dirty Projectors manages to be both on guard and excessive party music you can dance to in the tradition of talking heads Dirty Projectors that collaborated with Bjork have been covered by salon I spoke with them in 2012 when they released their album Swing Low Magellan I asked the band's mean guy David long string of if they'd play a song before we talked we will and what's going to be called just from Chevron excellent. Citizeness to those shown. To. Us can't just. Say. This. That was Dirty Projectors performing just from Chevron from their new album Swing Low Magellan they've long stretch where you introduce these 3 people singing beautifully with you shirts and a comment to my right. Just in front of me and sitting in with us this week Jen was in or from. The songs like that one that you write are musically. Additional lyrically complex more complex musically than. Most rock songs that come out of having studied orchestration and harmonic theory and so forth yeah I don't really I don't now I mean I did that stuff but I think I did that stuff just because. I'm curious about sounds I'm curious about music and curious about you know songwriting putting things together well one way that you've put things together in your last record bit work you had the band watch the movie Wings of Desire and then write lyrics in response to that film did you do anything like that for this new record this album was it's different it's more it's a little bit more internal. And it comes a little bit more out of. I guess experience I guess you could say that bit of orca It's like the things that we as a band were really interested in were were kind of like surfaces and textures and colors and you know explicitly musical things. Lyrics came kind of secondarily and they're a little bit more at the heart of the new record so I guess I didn't really play games quite like that this time around as a kid what kind of music did you listen to in the eighty's ninety's growing up that sort of formed you. Well you know there was my parents' record collection and they like you know they graduated college a 970 s. They have all that all that stuff the Beatles the Rolling Stones The Yeah Yeah all that stuff and then my but I have a older brother about 5 years older than me who got super into just like you know punk punk music and so. Yeah I mean you know all kinds of music whether it's the weird you know kata scopic orchestrations of likely getting in the sixty's or whether it's like you know Greg Guinn's approach to the guitar in the late seventy's or. Stravinsky's way of orchestrating winds or like you know Geoff Emerick some approach to miking the drum kit there's ever there's a world of amazing amazing music and sounds I've read that you you read. When you were young this book of the just minute we deconstruct Beatles song writing revolution and I had and that was a big deal for you yeah how so. Well I was really into like 4 track recording at the time and it just blew my mind that the a lot of this Beatles records were made on 4 tracks albeit you know very different 4 tracks and with different mikes and all that stuff but it just gave me the sense that like oh I like we can do something like this my brother and I just like sitting in our in our bedroom. You know if they can make Sergeant Pepper's with this relatively primitive technology we can do anything you know that kind of thing . So how old were you when that that eureka moment happened probably 13 or 14 and at 13 with your brother what on your machine in your bedroom what kind of music we making that's pretty similar to the stuff that we do now in Dirty Projectors. Voices and guitars and drums and you've collaborated as I mentioned with Bjork collaborated with David Byrne How did those come about and and do you have like a checklist of oh I want to get to this person and this person and work with them as well no no I don't. But yeah I mean definitely David Byrne and Bjork were like big heroes of mine and the new album is very is very kind of insular in the way that it's just mean it's the band those things were you know they were amazing and really really fulfilling and we have we learned so much from work in with those people because they're just masters of their craft and turn out great people as well. But no there's no there's no master plan to seek a circle McCartney will be next there are no way I'm going to backing him yes literally. Well they've lost breath and Dirty Projectors I want to thank you for coming and when you play us out with another song share Yeah let's play a song called impregnable question excellent. If there. Is a. Lesson. It would help to. Come. See my my. Loser. You. Was. My. 2 time. Money. We both. Wanted. Was money wasn't happen is that. You. Want you. That's Dirty Projectors playing impregnable question from their albums when. Their new album lamplit prose will be out on July 3rd. And that's it for this week's show before we go I just wanted to remind you to follow the show on Twitter or you can also tell us what you think of Studio 360 a listener called Fiasco for a just and concerning our recent story with music producer Tony discounting. 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