[ overlapping speakers ] then trump thumps rubio with a surprise endorsement. >> there's no one better prepared to provide america with the strong leadership that it needs. >> as donald trump collects endorsements, the republican establishment approaches panic. is it too late to stop trump now? donald trump and senator ted cruz are with me this morning. and when you look at moments like this. >> a con artist. >> you're a choker. >> hair force one. >> total lightweight. >> worst tan in america. >> biggest ears i've ever seen. >> is it time to ask whether the gop is on the brink of coming apart? >> my party has gone bat [ bleep ] crazy. >> joining me for insight and analysis are charlie cook of the cook political report, heather mcghee, andrea mitchell of nbc founder of the conservative website, the resurgence. trump, cruz, sanders. welcome to sunday. and a special super tuesday edition of "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press with chuck todd." good sunday morning. just 48 hours until super tuesday. we have so much to get to so let's get started right away. hillary clinton had nothing less than a blowout win last night in south carolina. clinton beat bernie sanders 74 to 26, 3-to-1 margin. she swept virtually every category especially african-americans whom she won by a margin of 6-to-1 and also won every single county in the state. >> despite what you hear, we don't need to make america great again. america has never stopped being great. but we do need to make america whole again. >> look who's pivoting to the general. super tuesday voters in 12 states go to polls and the single biggest day of the and our brand new polls in three key super tuesday states have even more good news for hillary clinton. big leads for clinton in georgia, tennessee and texas. look at that sitting around the 60% mark in all three. pretty good indication that clinton is set to have a super, super tuesday. but let's turn to the wild republican race. and we'll go state by state in that one. in georgia donald trump has a seven-point lead over cruz and rubio, 30% trump, cruz and rubio tied. in tennessee trump's lead more durable at 40% followed by cruz in second and rubio a close third and then the rest of the field. but in texas it's a different story. ted cruz is hanging onto his must-win home state. and he has a comfortable 13-point lead over trump. rubio is a distant third there. now, these polls were taken before marco rubio's strong performance in that thursday night republican debate. so we asked our pollsters to recontact as many people as possible. we talked to 30% of the to see whether rubio's debate performance changed anything, in short it did not. trump, rubio and cruz all held onto roughly 90% of their supporters. in fact in the raw ballot test rubio moved up all of one point. we have three presidential candidates with us this morning as we look forward to what could be a defining super tuesday. ted cruz, donald trump and bernie sanders. i'm joined by donned donald trump. welcome back. >> let me just ask you, how'd you make the deal to get chris christie to endorse you? >> well, it was just somebody that i really wanted. i must tell you i was going to leave a little time go by before i called him. i did not call him. he called me. he saw what was happening. he said, donald, you have a like, chuck, this afternoon i think we have 25,000 people in alabama, we ended up moving to a football stadium because you couldn't hold. i mean, what we have going is incredible. yesterday in arkansas we had 15,000 people in a hangar in tennessee. it's amazing what's going on. and he said there's a movement going on and i'd like to be part of it. and i was very happy. i was getting ready to call him. and he called me. and having chris is a great honor. >> well, i tell you, he seems like a changed man when it comes to you. there was a time he wasn't such a believer. let me play a few quotes. >> he's been very successful immigration that's going after you and get you to respond on the other side. >> a federal court ruled that trump's company hired illegal immigrants to help the construction process for trump tower. he even paid a $1 million fine. and his new hotel in washington. >> "the washington post" interviewed about 15 laborers at the d.c. hotel site reporting that many revealed they had entered the u.s. illegally. >> basically the charge is this, mr. trump, you don't practice what you preach on immigration. >> yeah. well, it's wrong. first of all, the one charge is from 35 years ago. i think that's a pretty good record when people have to go 35 years back to find out about workers. now, as i remember it, those workers were hired by another company. i just hired a company and they had some workers that were perhaps from poland or some place. and this was the demolition of a building that made way for trump tower. so the workers, chuck, this is 35 years ago you're talking about. by the way the laws were totally different. the laws were not what they are as far as one of the great hotels in the world that's currently being built on pennsylvania avenue between the capitol building and the white house, there were no illegals. we do checks like you wouldn't believe. and they didn't name any names, they didn't give any information. we are very, very careful, we have an excellent contractor is the best in the country, works with me, that's why that job by the way is two years ahead of schedule and underbudget and going to be one of absolutely. we go with e-verify. i am extremely strong on it. every time i have a contractor meeting in that building, and we're doing fantastically well. we're going to open that building in september, which will be very exciting. just before the election. perfect. i mean, you know. >> the timing. >> but i will tell you this, i am very -- the timing is good. but i am very, very tough on that. and they have absolutely no evidence whatsoever. it's a typical "the washington post" story. >> all right. you were obviously trump university came up. let me ask you this -- >> right. >> if trump university was such a successful business and the trump -- i know you had to change the name because it wasn't a university. >> only in new york. >> why isn't it still a robust business? >> well, because we would open it again -- what happened is -- first of all you have to understand. took the courses, approved the courses, they had report cards and said they were great, those people now are suing because a law firm said if i could get your money back, what would you say, get my money back, that's great. but they signed these documents -- they rated the course 98% approval rating and high marks. number two, we have an a from the better business bureau. and here's the only thing, chuck, i could settle the case, but i don't want to settle the case. the reason is i don't want to be held up. and once you settle cases, everybody sues you. i don't want to be held up. so i take the case. the one with the attorney general, that was taken from these people. they made a campaign contribution to the attorney general of new york. he met with president obama in syracuse, new york, and the following day or a day later he filed a case against me. and that case has been largely won, although they're appealing, but that case has been largely won by me. so it's very easy for me to settle these things, chuck. i just don't choose to do it. it's not a good deal. just so you understand, we have a 98% approval rating and we have an a from the better business bureau. >> i guess the question is, did anybody succeed? did anybody make millions of dollars in real estate using your way? can you produce folks that have made millions using your way? >> people did succeed. and we have those people will be witnesses at the trial. and the man that's doing that i believe he signed a document saying he thought trump university was terrific in some form. and that it was terrific. so we'll have to find out -- i haven't seen this commercial, to do with it? >> because i think he's been very, very unfair with us. i think the judge has been extremely unfair. this is a case that many, many, many people said should have been thrown out on summary judgment. we have 98% approval -- >> and you think it's because he's hispanic? >> this is a case that should have been -- well, because of the wall and because of everything that's going on with mexico and all of that, i think it's frankly -- look, this is a judge who i believe has treated me very, very unfairly. this is a case that should have been thrown out a long time ago in the opinion of many great lawyers. >> and as you know right now on twitter there is a trending re-tweet of yours. you retweeted somebody from elduce it was a mussolini quote, it is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep. that's a famous muse lynn i quote. do you like the quote? did you know it's mussolini. >> it's okay. it's a very interesting quote. and i saw it -- i know who said it. but what difference does it make whether it's mussolini or somebody else? a very interesting quote. >> 14 million people. >> do you want to be associated -- >> it's a very interesting quote. >> do you want to be associated with a fascist? >> no, i want to be associated with interesting quotes. and people -- you know, i have morning between yourself and marco rubio? >> listen, there's no doubt we're likely to come out of super tuesday with a big difference in delegates. i think it is likely that you'll see donald trump has a whole bunch of delegates. i think it's likely that we'll have a whole bunch of delegates. >> do you think you'll be second? >> i think there's going to be a big, big dropoff between donald and me and the rest of the field. right now donald and i are one and two in delegates and right now one and two in the popular vote. you know historically no one has ever won the nomination in the last four have summary pages. i've got nine years of tax returns. donald trump has not released so much as a paper clip. and donald needs to release his taxes. you know, mitt romney this week observed that the reason donald trump -- >> will you be happy if he just does summary pages? >> look, it would be a very positive step in the right direction. i would be thrilled if he releases the whole thing, i'm happy to release everything i've released for five years i've released everything. we just matched what the opponents did for the last four years. but the critical point, chuck, as mitt romney observed the fact that donald seems terrified to release his taxes suggests there's a bombshell there. and it's natural to wonder, well, what is it that he's hiding in his taxes? maybe it's that donald trump doesn't earn nearly as much as he has so loudly told everyone. maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. who knows. maybe it's the case that mitt romney is richer than donald trump. he could answer that by releasing his taxes. on the other hand maybe it's the case that he has given large sums of money to left wing you know, he praises planned parenthood in the debates over and over again. maybe he's been a big financial supporter of that. all of those questions donald can put to rest. or, chuck, maybe it is that it is the case there have been multiple media reports about donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia. maybe taxes show those business dealings are more extensive than reported regardless of what the bombshell is -- >> senator cruz, let me stop you there. that's openly speculative. do you have any facts to support the first four states narrowed the field down from 17 candidates to a much smaller field. i think super tuesday we will effectively have two candidates coming out of it that have a viable path that have enough delegates to have a shot at winning. and head-to-head with donald trump i beat donald by 16 points, 56 to 40. you know, we really saw this in the debate last week, we saw a contrast between washington dealmakers. and this is how we've gotten in constitutional rights. >> let me end where we began, if you are third in delegates wednesday morning, do you reassess your candidacy? >> well, listen, i don't intend to be third in delegates. i don't believe i am. i think that may be a question you'll have to pose to other candidates, but i will say what we saw last week was in the seminal battle on amnesty when i was leading the fight against the rubio/schumer gang of eight amnesty bill and we defeated the gang of eight amnesty bill, donald trump was funding the gang of eight. he had given over $50,000 to five of the eight members of the gang of eight. you cannot lead on illegal immigration if you spent four decades supporting open-border democrats and if you've been hiring illegal immigrants as donald trump has been doing. >> all right. senator ted cruz, i got to leave it there. republican from texas. have a safe time on the trail and we'll be watching on super tuesday, sir. all right. when we come back, the republican establishment is now in a full-on panic over the possibility of donald trump securing this nomination. could we be looking at the beginning of a crackup inside the gop as we know it? 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and for all these other guys, you know, it's can they keep him under that trajectory is what's important. and i've been very skeptical about trump winning the nomination from the very beginning. >> still skeptical? >> yeah, my knees are weakening a little. >> all right. >> when two out of three republican voters in national polls and averaging in the four events so far are against him, are they going to coalesce behind him? one-third with him. >> his percentages in the first four states are identical to mitt romney, either way. party united around mitt romney. >> i also think part of the problem is republicans haven't really been able to say in a unified way why exactly he can't be their standard bear. they can't say it's because he says bigoted things because he says explicitly racist, they can't say not conservative around taxes, his tax cuts are three times as big as bush's. there's not a unified story about why he's not a republican. >> erick, you believe it's on conservative values? >> yes. >> that's the way to unify the party on this. and you've been critical of both cruz and rubio for not being able to coalesce, you feel like they are being childish. >> they are. it was very interesting thursday they finally together tag teamed donald trump, in fact name checking each other at the end of their time saying hey, hey, i get 30 seconds to respond in going after trump. at some point when wednesday comes when the sun rises on delegates in second place has a plausible case for a reagan-bush coalition. >> you think he needs to get out? he needs to get out and be the v.p. >> that's what you would tell them to do? >> yes. >> the likelihood of those two working together. >> they're going to have to. reagan and bush had to work together. >> that said, what marco rubio has to prove is he is a credible alternative for the establishment republicans. and what we saw in that debate thursday night, the playground rhetoric was so deeply offensive to so many people on all sides that you've got people, you know, trump and rubio going after each other for their hair, their ears, how have we reached this point? >> instead of you quoting them, i want to play them going back and forth. >> better. >> it was bizarre and stunning. let me play it. well, we're going to -- all right. we're going to deal with that later in the show. but the other part of what we saw in the playground rhetoric how important was it? >> i think it's -- it was obviously a big deal for trump to have somebody, any kind of establishment figure say he's okay. and i was as flabbergasted as anybody. i did not expect it. >> let me tell you other people flabbergasted. amazingly it's chris christie taking heat. conservative writer writes this, well, now we know the stuff of what chris christie is made, opportunism. what a cynical hack, mr. chris christie turned out to be, i hope he sleeps well tonight selling out what's left of him. here's the unbelievable quote of the morning. meg whitman, national finance co-chair puts out this statement she sent to nbc news this morning. quote, chris christie's endorsement of donald trump is an astonishing display of political opportunism. donald trump is unfit to be president. he is a dishonest demagogue who plays to our worst fears. the governor is mistaken if he donors and supporters to call -- reject thim the governor. >> wow, i agree with -- >> no, that's meg whitman. she is the national finance -- >> good for her. yes. i agree with her statement. and i've gotten that from a lot of people. and i don't know that it actually helps donald trump headed into the south to have a governor who supported gun control -- >> what's remarkable about it, it isn't as though they were adversaries in the past. there are those who say we cannot defeat a corrupt political system and fix a rigged economy. but i believe we need to lift our vision above the obstacles in place and look to the american horizon. to a nation where every child can not only dream of going to college, but attend one. where quality healthcare will be a birthright of every citizen. where a good job is not a wish, but a reality. carolina primary, that makes super tuesday even more crucial if he's going to keep his hopes alive for securing the democratic nomination. senator sanders, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> my pleasure. >> a month ago, senator, a month ago you said i think we're picking up more and more african-american support, frankly i think we can win there, referring to south carolina. you lost african-american voters 84 to 16, worse than any poll i think we got a shot at colorado, oklahoma, massachusetts and vermont. so we're looking to the future, not looking back. we had two rallies yesterday in texas. 10,000 people out in austin, 8,000 people out in dallas. i think the future for us it's going to be a tough fight. i think we can pull it off, chuck. >> look, the game is delegates now. it's not where you win states, it's about accumulating delegates. >> right, that's right. >> your campaign is targeting states worth 288 delegates on supertize super tuesday. secretary clinton is targeting six states worth 531. if you both do well, she's going to have at least a 200-delegate lead on you if you're not careful at that point. this is -- why aren't you trying to win more delegates than her on super tuesday? >> well, we are trying to win every delegate that we can. and not only are we fighting for super tuesday, we're looking ahead to california, the largest new york state we think we're going to do well in michigan -- look, chuck. let's be clear. we began this campaign nine and a half months ago at 3% in the polls, 70 points behind hillary clinton. in the last two weeks some polls nationally have actually had us in the lead. we have come a long, long way fighting for the message that we're going to end income and wealth inequality and a broken criminal justice system and a corrupt campaign finance system. we have developed enormous >> let me say this, secretary clinton and i have very strong differences of opinion on foreign policy. i help lead the opposition to this disastrous war in iraq, she supported it. to answer your question, no one can speculate. nobody knows. but i think in terms of regime change, whether it is gadhafi, whether it is assad in syria these are terrible dictators, but you've got to be thinking about what happens the day after the kind of political vacuum that occurs in libya of course as a result of the overthrow of gadhafi, isis now has a strong foothold. i would have done it differently if i were president of the united states. secretary clinton also believes -- no, i would have worked more patiently. i know it's a difficult situation, but you can't just go forward with regime change. you got to be thinking about the day after. and i think the same thing is true in syria. secretary clinton disagrees with president obama and myself regarding a no-fly zone. i fear that can get us entangled i certainly hope that the cease-fire that they have now holds negotiated by secretary kerry. but i think her approach to foreign policy and mine are just quite different. >> earlier this week as the back and forth on the crime bill gone you had said you supported the house version because it had an assault weapons ban in it, but that turned out not to be the case. so why did you put out a statement that was misleading -- no. that's not my understanding. >> it was not in the house bill that you voted. it was in a senate bill, but it was not in that house bill. >> to the best of my knowledge -- hold it. to the best of my knowledge there were two important provisions. and that is violence against women act which was very important. i've worked very hard to prevent domestic violence. and on my understanding there is a ban on assault weapons in that bill. look, i spoke on the floor of the house about the harmful but weighing the pros and the cons i voted for it. and by the way i also voted against the so-called welfare reform act that secretary clinton then supported which has had a horrible impact on the poorest of the poor people in this country. >> all right. senator sanders, i have to leave it there. i know you have another interview coming up. i appreciate it. stay safe on the trail. we'll be watching on tuesday. >> thank you. >> you got it. we'll be back after the break with a look at where the republican race might be headed after super tuesday. and then later -- >> donald, donald, i understand rules are very hard for you -- >> if the republican presidential race is becoming a race to the bottom, how will professor richard thaler. you are called the father of behavioral economics. i' ve been called a lot of things. i have read all of your books. did you learn anything? 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>> from what i've seen, from talking with him and from his record he does. and what that military mindset means is you go through an analysis process as you're looking at potential courses of of the panel here. heather, i'll start with you. let's mix it up here, but just when it looks like the democratic party hillary clinton's got to go on the ability to unite the party as she's potentially building a commanding lead, this is a fracture. >> i think that the democratic party has always needed a primary. this is a time when our core issues around the social contract, around the future of our country, around climate change, around debt free college that bernie sanders hasn't connected. >> i think when you see the ground swell of support that he's gotten not only in one or two states but in states across the country, i think this is where there is a hunger for a leader, a commander in chief who is honest, who has integrity, who exercises good judgment. the communication of the contrast between hillary clinton and bernie sanders is something that has begun and i think needs to continue to grow to make sure that as we continue through the her husband's administration and now she finds herself scrambling like mad to the party moved to her left. there are divisions in both sides. so if you think about sort of the future of the democratic party, you get past hillary clinton or maybe joe biden and you got to go way, way, way left before you find anybody that's on the national stage. >> i also wouldn't characterize it as left and right the way we've been talking about for a long time. >> exactly. now people are making decisions emotionally, they're not looking. i for one am very happy to be talking about the democratic primary. >> fair enough. but a pause there. congresswoman, nice to see you. thanks for coming by making that news here. we'll be back with the end game segment and question whether the republican party can survive after this - if everyone carpooled just one day a week, we could reduce traffic by 20%. with fewer cars on the road, we might reduce our commute time and our carbon footprint. this week. the more you know. we live in a pick and choose world. choose, choose, choose. but at beedtime? 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this is not good for the party. >> no, it's not. donald trump has brought the party down to a new low. he's feeding off people's anger on both parties. there are legitimate grievances but it's become unhealthy. i think rubio and cruz had to do what they did to prove they could dish it back out to donald trump. voters supporting donald trump they're looking for the alpha dog. you have to show you can be the alpha as well. unfortunately it turns american politics into more of a farce than it already is. >> and i think it really is a the fall when the debates happen they beat him? >> no, i think you've already seen that in both of their speeches actually. they've been going after donald trump. and it's really important because right now, you know, half of americans couldn't pay a $400 bill without going into debt or selling something. and when you see billionaires and well-connected politicians going after each other and being sort of obsessed with each other when you're struggling, that's really, really bad for our democracy and alienates people. mind set. if you want to beat the man you got to be the man. but he's already got the, is he presidential. >> i think that does impact rubio to a degree. but to charlie's point it's not just that trump plays by different rules, it's that republicans haven't used the existing rules against a very few ad dollars spent against donald trump. >> thank you, i don't get it. >> attack ads work and they're only just now starting. it's not that trump gets by with everything, it's that they've let him get by. >> one of the things about rubio which you just alluded to is he already had a deficit of stature of being presidential, commander in chief. so to get into the playground or the sand box with donald trump, yes, he needed to go after him, but go after him on substance. >> but the substance hasn't worked. >> i think you have to go after personality. >> do you think it lowers him -- >> well, i agree. but substance hadn't worked. let me ask you this, you alluded to it during the break.