>> i don't know about it. i haven't seen it. >> tough questions. the congressman leading the charge on white house oversight. and, the washington attorney general who beat trump in court. from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> good morning. just three weeks in, the trump presidency racing at breakneck pace. each day packed with new policies, presidential tweets, staff controversy. and increasingly vocal resistance to the president and his policies. as we come on the air this week, another test for the new president. north kree ka's first missile launch on president trump's watch. the provocation came just as president trump was sitting down to dinner at mar-a-lago with japanese prime minister shinzo abe. abe condemned the launch, calling it absolutely intolerable. and trump backed abe. >> i just want everybody to understandnd the united states of america stands behind japan, its great ally, 100%. thank you. >> north korea's move comes for a tense time. mike flynn facing serious questions about his contacts with russia before taking office. and the president trying to calm things with china, by backing down on previous threats and affirming the u.s. one china policy. jon karl at the white house. bob woodruff from beijing. what do we know? >> reporter: well, george, we're learning more and more. the mid range missile was launched around 7:00 last night your time in the northern part of the country and traveled about 310 miles toward japan before going down into the sea. while this type of missile has not been fully tested yet, most believe it could travel up to 2500 miles, which guam. as for why this pest now? there are several possible reasons why their leader, kim jong-un launched this missile now. it could be to honor his grandfather, because his 104th birthday will be celebrated on friday. some say it is to deliver kim jong-un's first message to president trump, especially while he was meeting with japan's prime minister right there in the united states. no word yet from kim jong-un himself though. the reason remains a mystery. >> what are we hearing from south korea and china? >> reporter: china has not released a statement. the foreign ministry from south korea says it's a severe threat. adding it quote sleerly shows the nature of kim jong-un's rationality maniacally obsessed. i need to tell you in japa they have seen these types of launches nor years. i have been there seven times. they're so used to it. no one so far has run for the bomb shelters, george. >> let's go to jon karl at the white house. a terse statement from president trump. hat are you hearing overnight? >> we heard the president say that the united states stands behind japan 100%. one senior white house official that i spoke to said they have no doubt, they believe this was timed just as the president was sitting down with dinner with the president of japan. clearly a test not just of the missile but of the new president. one official told me that they see this as a semiprovocative act. not a superpro vokt active act. because all indications are this is a medium range missile. not the kind of intercontinental missile that could hit the united states. they said overnight, this north america. back in january, kim jong-un was very direct in saying his intention ultimately is to test an intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. the kind of missile that would be especially alarming if it could be married to a nuclear payload. george, at the time, president-elect trump said in a tweet, quote, north korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the u.s. it won't happen. that is the red line drawn by president trump. that red line was not crossed last night. >> this comes on the heels of the fence-mending phone call with chinese president xi just this thursday. >> yes. there's no question. china is the key to this. the president and his senior staff described the phone call, about 45 minutes long, as a very warm conversation. despite all of the anti-china donald trump over the years. tapped president offered a significant concession in that call. reaffirming the commitment of the united states, his commitment to the one china policy. now, george, he's going to need something from the chinese. because china is truly the only country that has any real leverage with north korea. >> okay,jon, thank you very much. the white house response from stephen miller. you might remember seeing him on the campaign trail as a warmup act for trump. now the young aide is involved in policy making. mr. miller, thank you for joining us this morning. your first time on "this week." let's begin with the breaking news. you heard jon karl's report. do you agree this north korean missile test did not yet cross president trump's red line? >> i did not hear jonathan karl's report. and good to be here this morning. what you saw last night from the president of the united states is an important show of solidarity a powerful symbol to the world as they stood side by side and shoulder to shoulder and expressed the strength and enduring nature of the violent alliance. that is a message that will be lost on no one. >> did that test cross president trump's red line? >> george, the president's comments on this are clear. the message we're sending to the world right now is a message of strength and solidarity. we stand with japan and our allies in the region to address the north korean menace. and the important point is that we're inheriting a situation around the world that is as challenging as any we have seen in our lives. the situation in north korea. syria. the situation in yemen. these are complex and difficult challenges. and that's why president trump is displaying the strength of america to the whole world and it's why we're going to begin a process of rebuilding our depleted defense capabilities. >> let's t ban. you saw the action by the ninth circuit panel late this week. is the administration going the appeal to the supreme court? >> as you know, we have multiple options. we're considering all of them. we can appeal the emergency stay to the supreme court. we can take our case to the ninth circuit. we can continue the appeal to the panel. and we can return to the district court and have a trial. >> which are you going to do? >> all options are on the table. the point i want to make to you and your listeners is that we have equal branches of government in this country. the ju dish area is not supreme. a district judge in seattle cannot force the president of the united states to change our laws and constitution because of their own personal views. the president has the power, under the ina, section 212 f, to suspend the entry of aliens when it's in the national interest. he has the same power under article two powers to country. we'll do whatever we need to do consistent with the law to keep this country safe. >> i know you hope to prevail. you haven't yet. a lot of allies think the best move would be to replace the current executive order with a new one that exempts legal permanent residents and visa holders already admitted to the country. are you thinking along those lines? >> legal -- >> that was the guide put out by the white house counsel. >> because that was the meeting of the executive order. that was the same fact that caused the boston judge to issue the positive ruling they issued. this is not a disagreement about the the law and constitution. will is no constitutional right for a citizen in a foreign country who has no status in america to demand entry sba our country. such a right cannot exist. such a right will never exist. this is an disagreement between those who believe we should have borders and controls and those that don't. that's the essence of this debate. the bottom line is the president's powers, in this area, represent the apex of executive authority. and we have multiple tools across multiple fronts to ensure that we're preventing terrorist infiltration of our country and to ensure that those who enter our country share our values and support our people. something supported overwhelmingly by the vast majority of the country. >> it sounds like you're calling into question the legitimacy of the judge. >> i'm calling into question the accuracy of the ruling. for instance, the district judge in seattle said that there was no indication of terrorism from these seventh countries and our country. that is a factually false statement. there's at least several dozen, perhaps many more than that, cases of terrorism from these countries that have happened in the uni terroristic plots, terroristic activity, merrill support for terrorism. supporting terrorism overseas. tracing back to these seven countries. >> i want to move on. we're seeing resistance and -- demonstrations across the country right now to the new deportation actions from the i.c.e. president trump put out a tweet saying the crackdown on illegal criminals is a keeping of a campaign promise. gang members, drug dealers, and others are being removed. you have several cases with people that are not drug dealers and not gang members are being removed. >> well, first of all, i think we should keep in mind that the president does not make the law. congress makes the law of the united states. and if you, george, or anyone else, wishes to change those doing so. secondly, the executive order gives i.c.e. officers to prevent crime before it happens by removing people that are a threat. i was on the phone last night with someone from dhs. they removed a wife beater. that person was on the radar screen for awhile. they were not deemed a priority by the previous administration because they didn't have the right kinds of convictions. that action will probably end up saving american lives or the well being and physical safety of american residents. all over the country right now, we're engaging in action to prevent the unthinkable from happening. during the campaign, president trump stood side by side with mother who is have lost their children. mothers like michelle roof. they didn't seem like priorities for removal. that person subsequently killed a young person named sara root. we don't want this mess on the back end. >> you to think everyone being removed right now is a threat to national security? >> i think it would be improper, unethical, and wrong for me and the white house to pick up the phone and call an i.c.e. officer and say, we know you have encountered someone illegally. we would like you to ignore the laws. what would you say if i picked up an fbi agent and said, i know you're investigating a convicted felon, they've abskobded from justice, burn the file, go back to your desk, don't do anything. would that be ethical and appropriate action for me to take? we're going to follow the laws of the united states. we'll prioritize the removal of people are criminal records in the country. if we remove ten criminal aliens and end up saving as a result one or two or three or four american lives, that is magnificent because somewhere ray cross this country today there is some y danger will be eliminated because of some enforcement action that we're going the take in the coming days. gnat is something we should celebrate, not criticize. >> the executive order goes beyond those who have committed crimes. it's saying anyone subject to a deportation order can be removed. i want to move on. the report in the dhs saying the cost of the wall is likely to be above $20 million. almost three times what the president said on the campaign trail. one, how much is the wall going to cost? the president says he'll bring the cost down and can you guarantee mexico will pay. >> well, he can and will bring the cost of the wall down. there are many, many ways to obtain payment for the wall from our friends to the south. the more important point, and i'm so glad you have brought this up. the media has done story, after story, after story about the cost of building a security wall on the southern border. i can't remember a time, that anyone has ever done a story of the cost of amnesty. the cost of not enforcing our laws. or the cost of illegal immigration. this is quite remarkable. it's estimated illegal immigration costs our country about $100 billion a year. stopping new illegal immigration, preventing the effects that will have on our schools, hospitals, welfare systems, wage earners will save tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars. this wall will pay for itself many, many, many times over. it's astonishing to me the media is concerned with how much it will cost to secure our barders. >> of course, i meant $21 billion, not $21 million. how are you going to guarantee mexico will pay for the wall? >> there's all kinds of things we can do. i'm not going to make news today to be. we don't lay out all of our cards for everyone to see. i want to address briefly the issue about final orders of removal. we have been lectured all week long about respecting the rulings of the judiciary. yet in the last 24 hours, we're being asked if we should respect that after final orders of removal have been issued. after the immigration lawyers and judges have had their say. then saying, well, there's 1 million people in our country who have final orders of removal. we, as the white house, should ignore that proceeding. you can't have it both ways. you respect the rulings of the court or you don't. >> let's move on to the national security adviser general flynn right now. reports that he did have contacts with the russians where he discussed saxs. contrary to what vice president mike sense said. >> i talked to general flynn yesterday. and the conversations sthat took place at that time were not in sanctions. against russia. >> of course, "the washington post" reports after talking to nine intelligence officials said that he did discuss the sanctions. and general flynn has changed his response. before he denied it. now he's saying he doesn't remember. number one, did he mislead the vice president? and how do you respond to democrats like nancy pelosi who says general flynn's security cleerps should be revoked until the fbi investigates the contacts? >> it's a great question. i don't have any answers today. >> why are you coming on if you can't answer questions posed to the white house? >> i don't have any information that changes anything that has already been said. general flynn has served this country admirably and with distinction. he sevened in the intelligence agency. there is no information that i have to contribute any new information to this story this that's where things stand. >> how can he continue to serve as national security adviser after misleading the president? >> i don't accept that what your question is saying is accurate. i don't have any information one way or another to add anything to the conversation. i understand it's important. i understand it's a sensitive matter. i'm sure you'll have an opportunity to interview someone from the vice president's office or the chief of staff who can elucidate further. >> we invited the chief of staff to join us. the white house refused to put him out. a separate question on -- >> i don't know that that's true, george. but i think that they wanted to put me out here to discuss the issue facing our national security and the problem of open borders and the threat of terrorism. >> it's true that we asked for the white house chief of staff. also, kellyanne conway. congressman chaffetz and his democratic counterpart have asked the ethics to enforce disciplinary action for miss conway? >> i think people are blowing this way out of pro portion. you had the president of the united states sticking up for a member of his family. you had a counselor to the president making a light-hearted comment in defense of someone treated very unfairly. i think the media has taken it to a level it does not merit. i think anyone watching the interview would understand it's a light hearted comment made in defense of someone treated unfairly. there's been an undue amount of spot light given to this. >> jason chaffetz said she crossed the line. not just the media. the republican chair of the house oversight committee. on that point, because it gets to a deeper issue. sean spicer said the nordstrom to pull the products of ivanka trump is a direct attack on the president's policies. ser sears has decided to pull the president's furniture line. >> sean spicer is 100% correct. what he said is true and important. i agree with it. >> so then you are making a comment? >> i'm not going make a new comment. i'm going to stand by the white house press secretary. i'm going to call for sanity in discussing this issue. you had a case where somebody was treated unfairly. the president stuck up for a member of his family. a white house counselor made a light-hearted, flippant comment. that nobody would interpret the way you and others have said. i hope we can move on to things that the american people care about, like jobs, we have a president who has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration. >> it was questioned by the republican chair jason chaef fets. president trump, on voter fraud, suggested in a meeting with senators, that thousand of illegal voters were bused from massachusetts to new hampshire and that caused his defeat in the state of new hampshire and senator kelly ayotd. it's prompted a response. ellen wine straub said i call upon the president to immediately share new hampshire voter fraud evidence so that his al gragss can be investigated. >> i have worked on a campaign in new hampshire. i can tell you that this issue of busing voters into new hampshire is widely known by anyone working new hampshire politics. it's very real. very serious. this morning, on this show, is not the venue for me to lay out the evidence. i can tell you this, voter fraud country. you have millions of people who are register nod two states. who are dead who are registered to vote. you have 14% of noncitizens, according to academic research, at a minimum, are registered to vote. an astonishing statistic. >> cow can't make. hold on. you claimed there was illegal voting in new hampshire, people bused in from the state of massachusetts. do you have evidence to back that up? >> george, go to new hampshire. talk to anybody who has worked in politics there. everybody is aware of the problem in new hampshire. >> i'm asking you as the white house -- hold on. i'm asking use as the white house senior policy adviser. the president made a statement saying he was the victim of voter fraud. >> and the president was. >> do you have any evidence? >> if this is an issue that interests you, we can talk about it more in the future. we now have our government is getting stood up. we have more officials. an issue of voter fraud is something we're going to look at seriously and hard. the reality fact, you have massive numbers of noncitizens registered to vote in this country. nobody disputes that. and many, many, highly qualified people like chris kobak, the kansas secretary of state have looked into this issue and confirmed it to be true. i suggest you to invite chris on to the show and he can walk you through the evidence. >> you have provided no ed. the president's made a statement. >> the white house has provided enormous evidence with respect to voter fraud. people being registered in more than one state. dead people voting. noncitizens being registered to vote. it is a fact and you will not deany it there are massive numbers of noncitizens in this country who are registered to vote. that is a scandal. we should stop the presses. as a country, we should be agrast about the fact that you have people who have no right to vote the in country registered to vote, chancing out the franchise of lawful citizens of this country. talking about. i'm prepared to go on any show, anywhere, anytime, and say the president of the united states is correct 100%. >> well, you just repeated, you made those declaration. but for the record, you have provided zero evidence that the president was a victim of voter fraud. that the president's claim he would have won the popular vote if 3 million to 5 million illegal immigrants had not voted. thank you for joining us. >> we're going to protect our country from voter fraud. our borders from terrorism. and innocent men, women, and children from violent criminal illegal immigrants that need to be removed from this country. our country will create jobs, safety, prosperity, security, particular pli for disenfranchised working people of every background, faith, and ethnicity. >> you can start by providing evidence to back up your claims. morning. >> thank you. angry protests. town halls. rally around elizabeth warren. our "roundtable" weighs in on all the week's politics. ♪ fifty years ago, humpback whales were nearly extinct. they rebounded because a decision was made to protect them. making the right decisions today for your long-term financial future can protect you and your family, and preserve your legacy. ask a financial advisor how retirement and life insurance solutions from pacific life can help you plan for your future. cough doesn't sound so good. take mucinex dm. i'll text you in 4 hours when your cough returns. one pill lasts 12 hours, so... some cough medicines only last 4 hours. but just one mucinex lasts 12 hours. let's end this. spending the day with my niece. that make me smile. i don't use super poligrip for hold, because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. try super poligrip free. remember 2007? 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>> well, i don't know. that's why we want them to take a thorough look. i thing it was blatant. i thing it was intentional. now, they, then, make a recommendation. the problem here, george, is that the person who will mete out the punishment if you will will be the president. and it seems as if this may not be a big deal to him. but it is a big deal to me. and it's a big deal to chairman chaffetz. >> it appears mr. miller didn't want to take general flynn who is under criticism for perhaps misleading the vice president as well. do you agree with nancy pelosi that his security clearance should be revoked pepding the completion of the investigation? >> yeah, think that's an appropriate action. but, george, there's something else that needs to be asked. that is -- did the president instruct general flynn to talk to the ambassador? and did he know about it? if he knew about this conversation, when did he know it? that, to me, that is the key question. and we need to find out what that answer is. now, keep in mind, that he really -- that is general flynn, put the vice president in a very awkward and a very sad position. to have him go out national media and say that these were just some casual conversations that had nothing to do with sanctions and then for general flynn to be walking that back, that's not good enough. he is a national security adviser. he is supposed to be the one to make sure that these kinds of things don't happen. and here he is, embroiled in all of this. so i think we have -- i think it will be very interesting to see what happens over the next week. i would be very interested to know how the vice president feels after he was basically thrown under the bus? >> we'll try to find out the answer to that as well. finally, on voter fraud, mr. miller did not provide evidence to back up claims about new hampshire or the popular vote overall. he said improper registrations is a scandal. do you speintend to take a look it? >> come on, george. we know this voter fraud thing is almost minuscule. my argument has always been, look, we have north carolina, court, tried to stop african-americans and others from voting. a state like arizona, people standing in line five hours after the polls close. intentionally, these local parties and state parties are doing this. again, there are millions of people, i'm sure, who have not been able to vote that should be able to vote. take a look at that. if you're going to do anything on voter fraud and rigging the election, take a look at that. i hope the president will do that. >> congressman, thank you for joining us. want to move on to bob ferguson, the attorney general for the state of washington. you heard mr. miller, as well, mr. attorney general, he said the decision by the judge was an ideological decision, not a decision based on law. >> look, the administration, the president, sichly refused to recognize what everybody else can. four federal judges have looked at the case. two appointed by republican two by democrats. all four are rejected the president's arguments. >> you anticipate winning. it appears the administration will come forward with a new executive order. if they come forward with one that excludes certain things, you would still fight? >> we'll fight if whatever they come up with violates the constitution and is unlawful, which the current executive order most certainly is. my job is to make hur that everybody in the country, even the president, upholds the constitution. >> isn't this a case. stephen miller cited the law. eight u.s. code. the suspension of entry. it says that when the president finds that the entry of any aliens to the united states would be detrimental to the interests of the united states, he may, by proclamation, suspend the entry of al yens or any class of aliens as imfwranlts or necessary. his national security responsibilities put him in a very strong position, isn't it? >> absolutely. there's another document the mt. is not reading from. that's the constitution. folks have rights of due process, for example, george. and of course there's broad discorrection fdi discretion for the president. nobody is above the law. the president keeps running into that problem with federal judges in the ninth circuit. >> you have the establishment clause. freedom of religion. a big part of your case was bringing up comments made by the president and his allies during the campaign, before he was president, about the muslim ban. he now denies this is a muslim ban. is there really any precedent for using campaign statements to establish impermissible motive? >> what there is looking for an improper motive. we're certainly asserting. that includes statements made by the principals who put that order in place. we'll continue to use those statements. when this case goes back to judge robart, the trial court judge appointed by president bush, we'll seek issues. get documents. i intend to use the tools to continue with the case. >> are you going depose the president? try to? >> i won't announce that on national tv. i can assure you of this. my job as attorney general is to uphold the rule of law in this country. i'll use every tool i have to make sure that the president follows that constitution. >> thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. and up next, the powerhouse "roundtable." s traveling over 200 miles per hour. to win, every millisecond matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows & like at&t. ♪ [one is the loneliest number that you'll ever do] ♪ nobody likes a dog with bad breath. that's why there's oravet dental hygiene chews. oravet's dual action approach cleans teeth and gets to the underlying cause of bad breath by blocking bacteria to help prevent plaque and tartar. for a cleaner mouth everyone can love. ask your vet about oravet chews. serious oral care made simple [ girl giggles ] when you have an equity summary score that consolidates the stock ratings of top analysts into a single score, you realize the smartest investing idea isn't just what you invest in, but who you invest with. i'm good.?st what you invest in, i just took new mucinex clear and cool. what's this sudden cooooling thing happening? 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>> i think this is a flatly lit call ruling. you put up the statute in black and white. it's not mentioned in the ninth circuit decision. this is a legal box canyon. no good result coming from where they are now. so they have the whip hand still. they thai can rewrite the or order. moot out the current issue and come back with one that's more airtight? >> i think that's hat hay should do. >> you know this is a week the president has discovered the limits of his power. no president is above the law. i think, george, it shouldn't go unmarked. these are unprecedented times. the interview with stephen miller. there was a calculated strategy to delegitimize the places that would hold this power accountable. that media that will expose the administration for failing to fulfill its promises to stand with working people. >> grover, on the issue of deli jit mizati -- delegitimization. it seemed like the strat juz was for 12 hours to gorsuch to do that. then the president wakes up and calls it into question. >> he'll get through whether the democrats give him 60 votes. if they filibuster, they'll go nuclear. he'll be the next supreme court justice. i think it is wise for the president to have clearly independent thinkers. you see that in the cabinet picks. they have stepped away from some of the particular positions of the president in the campaign. you're going to govern the country. you're going to do wit a lot of different people. not everybody agrees with you on key issues. i think it speaks well for the president's judgment. you have to trust a supreme court judge. you're not in the room. >> for decades. decades to come. >> the thing that is so concerning to me is that the president is undermining all the american institutions. the press, the judiciary. things we're talking about. it's starting to make it seem like america first is really white america first because if he's going after immigrants. even in the administration, the reason we know who colin powell and condi rice are is because the president appointed them to important jobs. this president doesn't have people in unusual jobs in the cabinet. the united states of america, as we moved for about 30 or 40 years, where everybody gets to participate. we have been teaching our children that. you see democrats, progressives, independents on the street because the president is moving us away there that. >> there's a lot of truth to that. the president himself keeps undermining the possibility of anything seeming normal. so for instance, yesterday, when there were all of these roundups of undocumented people in the country, the -- the i.c.e. people are saying, look, we're doing what happened in the obama administration. it's not anything unusual. keeping my campaign promises. i'm getting all these people out of here. and, those tweets are very damaging. what katrina said is right. today, again, he tweeted against the courts. if you start undermining the court system and constantly undermining the media the congress is not going to stop this president. so you really try to get -- any check on him. >> there's only one branch of government in this case that has clearly overstepped its bounds. and that's the courts. this is a ruling that ignores the black letter of the law. where congress gave the president the authority to do this. clearly and obviously. and i don't like the judge robart tweet calling the so called judge. but it's okay for the president to criticize the court and court rulings. did president obama accept citizens united? the court rule that way? >> i think you're right. lots and lots of disagreed with court rulings without calling into question the legitimacy of the judge making the ruling. >> he shouldn't have done that. but look, what was the tweet right after the ninth circuit ruling. see you in court. even if that's in all capital letters that is not a threat to our system. >> i think we should stop the hyper-coverage of his tweets. we're seeing resistance in the streets. and as a progressive, i believe the people are leading the politicians right now. but i also think you need the resistance to go from pro tests to politic. i think we will witness. we see at the rallies, people energized. thousands of people want to run for office. so we need to have -- i don't like the analogy, but a tea party of values. a tea party of progressives. thousands of people running at the local level for school boards. city councils. that is happening. >> let me bring that question to grover. you're seeing now a lot of demonstrations at town meetings. the streets. a lot of the energy at the town meetings is around obamacare. do you believe it's reaching a point where it actually might affect the decisions of republican members of congress? >> no, not only did we just have an election. a lot of folks in the press tapped left look at the president and say, oh, the president won, everything has changed. they missed the last four elections. the republicans have swept the state legislatures, the governorships. the senate, the house. only recently the presidency. this is not new. this has been going on for four elections. two-thirds of all the state legislative bodies are republicans. 25 states are a republican governor and both houses republican. four states are all democrats. the democrats have the governorship and both houses of the legislature. half the country lives in a red state. what made the tea party important was these were demonstrations and people coming out inside districts held by democrats that used to be republican. republicans. you can have as many demonstrators as you want in completely blue areas, they don't change things. >> when you get 2 to 3 million women on the street, those are peoples a wives, sisters, daughters, who have to go home and they have people they talk to. you're going to start to see people show up to hold them accountable and want the republicans to say something and do something. >> this business of women feeling marginalized is real. for mitch mcconnell to tell elizabeth warren to basically sit down and shut up -- >> it was a gift to elizabeth warren. >> the idea that she persisted is how women have made progress. >> and sally yates started that when she was fired by donald trump for telling everyone not to enforce -- >> she did. >> grover is right. grover is right to a certain the democratic party at the state level is decimated. it will be a struggle. a generational struggle to rebuild. there is nothing like a trump to concentrate the minds. >> decimate is 1 out of 10. they lost about 25%. >> as someone i know, attorney general of new york. the attorneys general will play a big role. we're going to see cities and states provide sanctuary. provide alternative policies of important kinds. he says, when they go low, we go local. >> let me bring another question to you. and every new white house faces this. you have seen the poor drafting of the executive order. the hot water for kellyanne conway. the questions about flynn. is this white house staff ready for prime time, organized for prime time? >> i don't think anyone is really ready for this responsibility. a lot of people have not government. >> any level of government. >> the cab neat dominations have been slow-walked by senate democrats. you're going to have a certain amount of chaos. the rollout of the executive order hurt. the flynn thing, i don't understand why it's illegal or inappropriate for the incoming national security adviser to talk to a foreign official. >> then why not tell the truth to the vice president about it? >> if he wasn't truthful to the vice president about it, one, lit poison the relationship. and two, the backdrop seems to be a ve volt of a certain part of the intelligence community against the administration. gnat never ends well. >> they're picking fights with everyone. the press, the intelligence. >> it's a remarkably inexperienced group of people. the combination of that didn't have those people or they're too old. >> that's why trump won. the disruption. but i think it's important to step back also on the conway and the nordstroms. steven miller tried to dismiss that. you want to address what is happening in the unt can, to working people. do those people, did those people want their taxpayer money to go to white house staff shilling for the president's business? it's a deeper problem. you said slow-walked confirmation. a lot of those people who are up for agencies never went through the independent office of ethics adequately. they want to dismantle the agencies they're going to run. is that governoring? >> guys, newspaper and sunday shows watch traffic accidents and miss the traffic that is flowing. they're preparing the abolition of obamacare. and dr. price can deconstruct much of the damage done. >> is that something they're going to support? >> i think you're going to have a lot of privatizing. >> the answer is, yes, it will pass. d, with a replacement that actually empowers customers. >> nobody has been able to figure out what that replacement is or how the pay for it. >> it's written down. they're having meetings on it every day. you're chasing after spicer and kellyanne. >> no, we're not. >> we're not missing it. >> think they should react to the pro tests and town halls. not by backing off on repeal. doubling down and being more committed on replacement. you don't want people saying 18 million people are losing their insurance. you need an answer to that question. >> grover, the very communities who elected trump -- the very communities which elected trump in west virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, ravaged by the opioid epidemic, they will be hit. lives will be lost. i think it becomes the issue in 2018. >> i wish we had more sure. thank you all very much. great discussion. we'll be right back. and that is all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" tonight. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." at unitedhealth group, everyone wants to improve health care. we're focused on how we can help. enabling employers to use data to improve employee health. supplying providers with insights to treat and prevent illness. partnering with states to offer stability and choice in health care. and with individuals who just want it to be simpler. to everyone who has a passion to improve health care... our question is: how can we help? 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