Are hanging their future on his words though . The economy doesnt support whats being said. Theyre in for just another hit. Darrell issa president obama is not going softly into the night. Sharyl like the postelection retaliation against russia, the Obama Administration is also holding open the gates of gitmo , and allowing a u. N. Vote condemning israel for its settlement activities. Josh bolten the outgoing president can do a lot to make it either easy or difficult for the incoming folks to operate, and most outgoing president s tend to do some of both. Sharyl welcome to full measure. This week president elect trump held a press conference. Most of the questions and much of the post Conference Coverage had little to do with many of the key concerns of americans. But we have different questions. Will we be safer under the new administration . And what are the real threats facing america . President trump will be managing a diverse and some say growing group of foreign threats. We talked with two top intelligence officials and began by asking president obamas former head of the Defense Intelligence agency, david shedd, to help us navigate the Biggest Challenges ahead. David shedd i am concerned that there is a certain naivete that has been introduced over the last several years into our foreign policy, that if we are open and kind and very permissive in terms of our outreach, that that will be reciprocated. We live in a badly broken world where often times that is seen by our key adversaries as a weakness rather than a strength. Sharyl what are the Top National Security threats you see President Trump will be facing when he comes into office . David shedd by way of threats, i think the president elect faces a north korea that is not too far down the path from getting an icbm, an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, that could have a nuclear tip to it. I think is within the distance within the first two or four years of a Trump Administration. Sharyl and a missile that could reach the continental u. S. . David shedd it would reach the u. S. In terms of certainly california and the west coast and i think that that is something that he will have to face with along the instability of north korea and the Korean Peninsula with south korea, of a more conventional nature. Campaign, trump explicitly said hes against proliferation more countries Getting Nuclear Weapons but his critics said he implied japan and south korea should obtain nukes to protect from a hostile and dangerous north korea. Donald trump you have so many countries already china, pakistan, you have so many countries, russia you have so many countries right now that have them. Now, wouldnt you rather, in a certain sense, have japan have Nuclear Weapons when north korea has Nuclear Weapons . Sharyl that comment drew a harsh critique from president obama. President obama they tell us that the person who made the statements doesnt know much about foreign policy, or nuclear policy, or the Korean Peninsula, or the world generally. Sharyl i asked trump about obamas criticism in an interview last april. He said you dont know much about foreign policy, or nuclear policy, or the Korean Peninsula, or the world generally. What you have to say to president obama . Donald trump ive been very critical because i happen to think hes been very incompetent nuclear than he will ever know. Sharyl c. I. A. Director john brennan agrees trumps greatest direct challenge is posed by north koreas ruler, kim jongun. John brennan he is somebody who has demonstrated irresponsibility when it comes to nuclear proliferation. He sees this as his ticket to international recognition. He continues to develop Intercontinental Ballistic Missile capability, along with a nuclear program. Anybody who has the record that he and north korea has, and has this type of capability, i think it presents a direct threat to the United States National Security. Sharyl another major area of concern is the Worlds Largest state sponsor of terrorism iran. A year ago this week, president obama announced the official start of a deal designed to keep Irans Nuclear program peaceful and extend the time it would take for iran to build a nuclear weapon. President day. Because once again were seeing whats possible with strong american diplomacy. John brennan i think we should be very satisfied with that deal, from a National Security perspective, from an intelligence perspective, i think it was the right thing to do, and i do think its the right thing to continue to hold irans feet to the fire, making sure that they adhere to it, but i do believe it would be ill advised, from a National Security standpoint, from a regional stability standpoint, to sideline that deal. Sharyl but as the islamic extremist terrorist group isis expanded into iraq in recent years, iran has responded by backing an estimated 100,000 troops there. Shedd says the nuclear deal and the return of 150 billion that had been frozen under economic sanctions may have emboldened iran. David shedd im not here to say youve got to rattle the war machine every time anything happen in a world that in terms of our friends and allies are pleading for us to lead again, because there is this sense of a vacuum, whether real or perceived, and its probably some combination thereof, that we have sort of abandoned our best friends in the middle east in exchange for a deal with iran. Sharyl cybersecurity is another key issue thats taken center stage with the u. S. Accusing russia of hacking into Democratic National committee computers. What could a cyber threat lead to in the United States thats very serious that threatens our National Security . David shedd if a cyberattack were to take down the Banking System in terms of wall street or the investment world where peoples Retirement Funds are sitting, that would be an attack of, of a cyber version of 9 11. It would have a fundamental life changing impact on our, on our country. Think about your electric group, grid being attacked. Think about our Weapons Systems at the very high end of the f35 coming under a cyber attack in terms of the ability for them to fly and to have very smart weapons onboard that are guided by largely a Cyber Component to them as to how they operate. Sharyl and finally, the spread of terrorism will continue to be a top challenge for the Trump Administration. Donald trump our new approach, which must be shared by both parties in america, by our allies overseas, and by our friends in the middle east, must be to halt the spread of radical islam. Sharyl brennan says the Obama Administration has done a good job fighting isis. John brennan when i look over the last couple of years, i see that the momentum of the socalled islamic caliphate, isil, really has been stopped and reversed. Th have been diminished significantly. Its about 50 less than what they had two years ago. The territory that they had occupied has been taken away from them. I think were making progress as far as reclaiming the areas inside of syria and iraq that were overtaken by the isil fighters. Barack obama over these last eight years, we have demonstrated that staying true to our traditions as a nation of laws advances our security as well as our values. Sharyl shedd sounds less optimistic. David shedd i think the fact that president elect trump inherits a much stronger isil, or isis, after, after these years. Are we safer today than 15 years ago . I truly believe that we are, but were less safe than eight years ago. Sharyl how so . David shedd the fact that isis has expanded in terms of the number of countries, whether its in the 16 to 18 to 20 countries, depending on how you relationship in nigeria with boko haram, a relationship, if not outright standing, in alshabaab in somalia, and i could go on and on. So, theyre in more places, there are parts of libya, which are largely ungoverned, in sirte, libya and a postgaddafi world there, so theyre in north africa, theyre in east africa, theyre in west africa. So to say that were safer overall is simply not true. Sharyl during hearings on capitol hill this week, c. I. A. Nominee mike pompeo said islamic terrorism coming out of iraq and syria remains the highest near term threat to america. Our interview with current c. I. A. Director brennan was supported by our corporate partner circa. Coming up on full measure. We go to coal country, where the promise of jobs helped elect a new president , to see if miners sharyl in pennsylvania, king coal once meant paychecks for families. The Campaign Promises by the president elect were to bring jobs back. Full measure correspondent Lisa Fletcher went to coal country, to find the line between hope and reality. Lisa coal has fueled the economy of southwestern pennsylvania for more than a century. Bill allen my father was in the coal mine and thats the way i supported my family. Lisa for bill and tina allen, its the only way of life they know. Tina i have coal ash in my blood. It was how for generations our families have been provided put and taken care of, put food on our table, clothed, housed us. Lisa coal country is now trump country. Donald trump were going to put the miners back to work. Lisa Campaign Promises turned blue states red. But whether they can be fulfilled may be a more difficult matter. Donald trump were going to get those mines back open. Ohhh, coal country what theyve done. Lisa tina allen is a lifelong democrat but voted for trump. Tina he said about clean coal that hed bring coal mining back. Lisa was there something he said that made you believe he could make good on his promise to bring coal back . Tina well, i just think donald trump is a person that what he says he tries to do. Lisa a decade ago, coal generated almost 50 of u. S. Energy. Today, that number is closer to 30 . As demanfo does the need for miners. Dave i knew it was shutting down. I tried to tell these guyshe mine is shutting down, and theyre like, no, it aint. Lisa dave baer spent 17 years hauling equipment underground at emerald mine here in greene county. Hes one of the lucky few who prepared for, what he says, was inevitable. Other miners werent as fortunate. Dave i know what theyre going through. Theyre losing houses, clearing out their 401 k. Lisa baer now spends his days as a counselor. Dave hey, are you still looking for a diesel mechanic . Lisa helping outofwork miners find new careers or return to school for training. A job his boss, ami gatts, says grows more challenging each time donald trump claims hell bring back coal. do you worry about how much these outofwork miners are hanging their future on his words though . Hanging on this belief that the coal mines are going to be back to what they were . Ami gatts it is concerning. Its very concerning. I mean, again, i dont know what think the economy doesnt support whats being said. And that kind of worries me, and i think theyre in for just another hit. Blair zimmerman i questioned my fellow miners when they said, well, trumps going to bring back coal. And i would say, ok, how . Lisa Blair Zimmerman heads the county commission. But for 40 years he mined coal, just like his father and grandfather. He says it will take more than promises for coal to come back. Blair zimmerman the only way you can really bring back coal is these coalfueled power plants that have been shut down would have to be brought back up online. To bring them back up after a shutdown would be a major cost to these companies. Are they willing to invest in that . Lisa many Energy Economists say no. Since the boon in natural gas began in 2008, it has become both a cheaper and cleaner Energy Source and now fires most of the nations electric power plants. Clean air regulations put pressure on the coal industry as well. This plant in maidsville, west virginia, was built to be the cleanest coalfired electric facility in the region. But just up the road, the hatfield plant went through a similar 800 million conversion and was still shut down because it cost too much to run. Ami when somebody says im going to reopen the mines, im going to bring back the steel mills, i mean, thats exactly what was said and that, i think, gave a lot of false hope. Blair i love these guys. I worked with them. I know their struggles with work, with their families. I lived the same thing myself. But a lot of these guys arent going to get called back to the coal industry and i feel bad for them, but its just a fact of life. Lisa both told us for every affects four other people. Also downes, shops because there was not the economy to support it. We did reach out to the trump team to ask about their cold plan, and they never got back to us. Sharyl thanks, lisa. When we come back, president obama exits the white house this week. Some say his exit strategy is a sc sharyl on the eve of this great nations peaceful transition of power, there are challenges on a wide range of fronts. A flurry of lastminute actions by the Obama Administration is placing prickly issues on president elect trumps plate. Were looking into the obama exit strategy. Darrell issa president obama is not going softly into the night. He very clearly wants to leave what some call scorched earth or at least troubled waters. Sharyl republican congressman darrell issa questions the Obama Administrations 11th hour moves. Like the postelection retaliation against russia for its alleged interference in our election by hacking Democratic Party emails. Daryl issa i do believe that the retaliation, if you will, with russia was appropriate for conduct, but it was appropriate for conduct going back weeks, months, or even years. And thats one of the challenges is, the russians see this as the desperate act of a dying administration, not as a measured response to their misconduct. Sharyl the Obama Administration is also holding open the gates of gitmo, releasing enemy combatants with suspected ties to islamic extremist terrorists. And its delivered a final slap in the face to our strongest mideast ally, allowing a u. N. Vote condemning israel for its settlement activities. Daryl issa i think thats where president obama is going to come up with shortage in his legacy, because theres going to be an asterisk saying, basically president obama had questionable actions during the transition. Sharyl the Current Administration can make it easier or can make it tougher on the Incoming Administration . The outgoing president can do a lot to make it either easy or difficult for the incoming folks to operate, and most outgoing president s tend to do some of both. Sharyl josh bolten was chief of staff under george w. Bush and was there for the transition when some clinton staffers left on a bitter note. Did they really take the ws off the typewriters . Josh bolten you know, a few of the younger folks did, um, did pranks like that, but we tried to downplay it because we didnt want that to be the story in the first few days of the administration. Sharyl he says as with most transitions, the Clinton White house pushed through a lot of lastminute regulations but was, for the most part, gracious. What patterns do you see, if any, in this transition . Josh bolten for the most part , my sense is the Obama Administration has tried pretty hard to play things straight, to try to embed som policies that they believe ought to be sustained if possible well into the Trump Administration. Sharyl bolten defends obamas recent actions on russia. And hes against the u. N. Vote against israel but doesnt think the president was trying to cause trouble for trump. Josh bolten i dont think it was intended as a discourtesy or a problem for the Trump Administration. If anything, its an opportunity for the Trump Administration to, to show their support for israel by trying to reverse what they can and what the Obama Administration did. Sharyl since election day, the Obama Administration has also made numerous lastminute proclamations. Hes put parts of the atlantic and arctic offlimits to oil and gas leasing. And designated over a million acres of western land as national monuments, possibly limiting access by native americans and those who use it for grazing. And hes churned out hundreds of federal rules, nicknamed midnight regulations. Josh bolten the trump transition quite properly has a team of able lawyers and policy people monitoring whats going on, and making plans to try to reverse as much as possible immediately when the president takes office. Sharyl thats not always easy and often requires multiple votes in congress. Darrell issa if a president , as this one had done, has nine separate regulations, all in the area of medicare or medicaid that they put in, in the last few weeks by the stroke of a pen, it would seem absurd to spend a week or two in the senate for each of these eight or nine pieces of, of law. Sharyl so, issa is pressing forward with a new bill to make it easier for congress to roll back regulations by voting on them in groups. President obama we want to make sure they feel welcome as they prepare to make this transition. Sharyl meantime, a timehonored transition tradition rapidfire, lastminute rollout of policies and federal rules with the knowledge that the Incoming White House will work to change them right back. It almost seems like a big waste of time in a way for the sake of trying to make a point when an Outgoing Administration gets these wheels going and the incoming has to then grind them to a stop. Josh bolten it is our system. Its part of the price we pay for having a system in which theres a peaceful but very abrupt transfer of power and a lot of power from one group to the next, um, that happens at noon on january 20th. Theyl one Analysis Finds Obama Administration has issued 761 final regulations, 119 in the year alone. That outpaces both bill clinton and george w. Bush. Sharyl thanks to all of you who take the time to write to us on social media. Last weeks story about the future of obamacare and whats going to replace it generated plenty of comment. Scott wrote, how does a family of four making 55,000 pay a 6000 deductible before getting benefits . Its absolutely mindboggling. Allyson says, i want far fewer, if any, mandates. Lots of competition and options. The new Republicancontrolled Congress has already begun the process of repealing the Affordable Care act. An trump said he wants obamacare repealed and replaced very quickly. Coming up next week on full measure. President elect trump has vowed to crack down on socalled sanctuary cities that shield illegal immigrants, including many criminals. Some cities will not stand down. Instead, theyre doubling down on their promise to protect them. Kevin kamentez it is our policy in general that Baltimore County Police Officers do not ask the immigration status of anyone that they encounter. Thats not their job. Jan ting there are a vast number of brutal crimes committed against innocent americans by these people who were in custody, known criminals, and they were released because they were incarcerated in sanctuary city jurisdictions. Sharyl the showdown over sanctuary cities next week on full measure. Until then, thanks for watching, im sharyl attkisson. Government matters with francis rose. Thanks for watching the Weekend Edition of Government Matters featuring the latest topics that matter to the business of government like technology, defense, workforce, security, and industry. Government matters is the only show exploring trends in the federal community. Im your host, francis rose. The Homeland Security department is delivering Mission Capability across the agency and within two ways. 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