Cyber Security Experts call it a target waiting to be hit. What should be happening now thats not happening . Ted koppel what should be happening is that we should be preparing for the consequences of a devastating cyber attack. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] sharyl welcome to full measure. Im sharyl attkisson. President elect trump has threatened to withdraw from a new world agreement that aims to slow down global warming, firing of ongoing debate over Climate Change. Earlier this year, we visited a community in louisiana, whose residents are said to be the first Climate Change refugees. They are moving to Higher Ground because of persistent flooding. Sinking land. But we found more to the story. Albert naquin we had chickens, we had pigs, we had cattle. Sharyl Albert Naquin has lived here on isle de jean charles his whole life, a sliver of an island in the south louisiana bayou. Hes chief of the islands band of biloxichitimachachoctaw whole life, a sliver of an island in the south louisiana indians who first settled here in the 1800s. They grew into a Fishing Community that stayed selfsufficient for a century. But today, the island is literally shrinking down to nothing before their eyes. This used to be land . Albert this used to be land all all along here. Sharyl an aerial photo from 1963 shows how much marshland there used to be. By 2008, most all of it had become water, as the gulf of mexico swallowed up the land. The tribes plight has been documented in numerous films, including cant stop the water. When i was growin up here, a hurricane, we used to ride em out. And we didnt worry about floo pat forbes the Community Gets flooded more and more and more often, and its size has shrunk 98 from its original size, and the population has also shrunk along with it, because people have gotten tired of living with storms and floods on an annual basis. Sharyl pat forbes heads up louisianas office of community development. Hes helped the tribe win a first of its kind federal grant 48 million tax dollars to move the last island inhabitants to Higher Ground, keeping them together as a group, preserving their culture. Pat and the important part of that is that we are moving the community en masse, this hasnt really been done before. Albert hopefully, we bring it back to where our kids, and all of the kids that are off the island, would reunite and, you know, then have a place to call home together. Sharyl some reporters have dubbed the indian tribe the first Climate Change refugees. But with millions of americans coastal areas being drowned by water spending 48 million on 60 people is bound to raise eyebrows. There are a lot of people in trouble facing similar circumstances and they may wonder, why these people and not them for all this federal money . Pat obviously, federal money and all other kinds of money are limited. And so there was a competition and we won that competition with a project based here. Sharyl about 30 miles south is leeville, a small, but oncebooming seafood industry and oil town, where don griffin has coowned a marina and ice house thats been in business since 1977. Don before the only time wed have water was for hurricanes. And now just your regular real high tides, that you have a large tidal movement, we got water constantly on the back dock, on the parking lot, you know . Sharyl leeville, too, has dwindled down to a skinny town just a mile long with a handful of year round residents. But theres no fer relocation project coming to their rescue. Don im glad that theyre able to get help, but i mean who decides who gets help and who doesnt get help . Windell curole leeville used to be four feet higher just 100 years ago. Sharyl Windell Curole manages the areas manmade levee system, including this lock. It shelters the town north, but puts unlucky leeville outside the Hurricane Protection system. Windell as we look to the south, these people are not on the flood protection. Sharyl but theres a twist this story. Curole and many local experts say there are other factors besides Climate Change to blame for louisianas shrinking land one of the biggest causes Oil Companies. Since 1930, weve lost probably the size of delaware since 1930. Remarkable land loss. Sharyl for decades, the louisiana fishermen have coexisted with the oil industry. But it turns out the oil company canals, dredged for shipping and pipelines, washed away protective marshland and brought the water ever closer to residents doorsteps. Chris brunet and his family are among the 60 or so tribal residents who live in the remaining homes on isle de jean charles raised on stilts to try to stay above water. How high have you seen the water get here . Chris on about four foot, about as high as this and this is without a hurricane. Sharyl its no longer just the vicious hurricanes that cause problems. With widening canals dredged by Oil Companies now in brunets backyard, even a strong high tide can flood the neighborhood. One state study found the oil and Gas Companies are responsible for more than 90 of the islands damage. Do you see Climate Change as a bigger factor to the change in your way of life or the Oil Companies . Albert i see the Oil Companies as the bigger factor of the, i guess the destruction of our community. And that is because of all the canals they dug out, allowing the salt water to come in a lot change problem, thats a company issue. Albert thats not a Climate Change problem, thats a company issue. Sharyl it sounds almost as if federal taxpayers are picking up the tab for something the Oil Companies wont pay for. Albert i agree with that. The u. S. Government is picking up the tab for the Oil Companies. Sharyl curole argues the oil and gas industry has paid billions of dollars in federal taxes over the years. Now, he says, its time for the community to get some of that federal money back in terms of assistance. Windell since 1995, the average is about 6 billion thats come from this little corridor thats going to the federal government and weve had basically zero of any of that money. So, its not just a oneway street. Sharyl whatever is to blame for the sinking of isle de jean charles, the unprecedented project to move the entire town is moving forward. Supporters see it as a Pilot Program that other doomed coastal communities could follow. Some people might think 48 million to resettle 60 people is a lot of money. It would be far less expensive for us to just buy people out and give them each a new home up somewhere thats safe. But again, we lose that resilience that being part of a Community Brings to a community. And thats a thing that we think, that culture thats a thing that we cant afford to lose from our coastal communities across louisiana and around the country. Albert we didnt create this, but i think you know that our federal government ought to be responsible or the Oil Companies ought to pitch in, as well, to help us get out of here. I think that the government and whoever created the pipeline canal should put a few pennies into that to help us get out of here. I guess to reunite our community and families, as it was when were living here back when it first began. Sharyl we contacted the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association and they told us the primary cause of coastal erosion is the Mississippi River levees built by the army corps of engineers. A footnote. The money to move the tribe came from leftover Hurricane Sandy funds. Instead of returning it to the treasury or saving it for the next disaster, the government came up with new ways to spend it. Coming up on full measure. With islamic extremist terrorism still a big threat, scott thuman takes us to britain, where a program to deradicalize youth is showing some si sharyl it was just over a year ago that an islamic extremist terrorist attack in paris killed more than 130 people. Pentagon officials recently announced u. S. Led airstrikes killed three isis operatives involved in planning those attacks. Despite such successes, isis fighters continue their recruitment campaigns here and throughout the west. Scott thuman traveled to england to meet a man making a difference in turning around young, wouldbe radicals. Where these young men are playing, that is where i used to run a soccer club. Scott follow Jahan Mahmood long enough and you are bound to find yourself in, what over the years, has been a breeding ground of aspiring terrorists. Jahan the population here is predominantly muslim, more than 80 . They tend to come from areas of pakistan and kashmir. Scott on this day, he takes us through birmingham, a couple hours hour north of london, and where the former military history professor does most of his work trying to deradicalize young men. Jahan i mean, in this area alone, this area at one point convictions in the country. Scott your whole goal is to stop them from getting to the point that they actually go overseas . Jahan absolutely. Scott you feel youre being successful . Jahan well, the people i do know of who ive stopped is seven. Scott like this 26year old, who, to protect his identity, were calling cameron. When it all kicked off after september 11th. Scott and you wanted to get to the battlefield . I wanted to get to the battlefield. That was the main aim. Scott to fight back to kill british, to kill americans . Of course, yeah, if thats what it would have taken, yeah. Scott thats what jahan is trying to temper. He says, in this area, where signs are often in urdu and arabic voices dominate the soccer fields, roughly 40 of those living here are under 18, they are impressionable, easy targets for isis recruiters. He recalls one instance involving a handful of teens. Jahan he was watching. He had, actually on his phone, of ken bigley, who was a british contractor in iraq, and i was shocked to see these young men, a number of them, huddled around watching and laughing. I just couldnt understand why they would laugh over the beheading of an innocent man. It just didnt make sense. Scott the Guardian Newspaper claims 800 britons left the country last summer alone to fight with the terror group and just a week after our visit, four more alleged terrorists were arrested, two in this neighborhood. Who did you want to fight with . It was obviously against the west. You know, because we felt like they were destroying peoples lives. Scott you were angry against scott you were angry against america . Yeah, obviously and the u. K. , at the time. Scott do you hear a lot of that, do you hear a lot of that antiamerican sentiment . Jahan i hear it a lot. I mean i have to be honest with you is that i hear a lot of it, absolutely, and its all based on conflicts in afghanistan, iraq, and syria. Scott to counter that through meetings sometimes organized at a local mosque or at this old pool hall, jahan shows them sobering, graphic pictures of jihadists killed in battle an example of what might come of them. And he points out that the terrorists often kill innocent muslims. That was a bit of a turning point for you, when you realized that muslims were also a target of the terrorists . Yeah, definitely. It did make me think, whoa, why would i go out there . It would be stupid of me to go out there. Scott jahan says winning over even one potential jihadist can have an incalculable effect. Jahan heres a conversation i remember. Heres your car keys. Would you really hand them over to a local person . Would you really do that . And yet, youre handing your life over to someone on the internet that youve never met before. Why would you do that . Scott but theres no perfect formula for deradicalizing and jahan could use all the allies he can get. Imams, he says, are often falling short. Jahan i do feel that religious leaders have failed in their religious duty to try and make their communities safer and theyve not been able to engage properly. Scott it is gaining the upper hand of controlling the message that will be essential to turning the tide of radicalization in britain, in europe, and in the united states. Scott it is gaining the upper the wins will be measured by individuals, like cameron hes now 26, with a job, a wife, a child, and a future one he was on the brink of gambling away. You look back now and you think that you would have just been a number . Yeah, definitely. I would have been a number and i would have been deleted at any time. Sharyl in this process of sharyl while it is difficult scott well it is difficult to tell how effective he has been, he says it has been better since young men were skeptical they wo shared sympathies or interest in terror groups. Still ahead. Could the u. S. Power grid be russias next target . Ted koppel what should be happening is that we should be preparing fo sharyl whether Cyber Attacks come from russia, china, or somewhere else, theres no doubt america is doing battle in an emerging cyber war. One potential target, the nations electricity grid and some say that battle has already begun. Full measure correspondent Lisa Fletcher has our story. Lisa this is the nations electrical grid. 55,000 substations pushing power to 200,000 miles of high voltage transmission lines, lighting up 125 million homes across the country. Cyber Security Experts call it a target waiting to be hit. Jon miller one hacker, thats adequately skilled, can cause infinitely more damage than a bomb. Lisa jon miller is the chief Research Officer for the Cyber Security company, cylance. He used to get paid to hack Critical Infrastructure like banks and Nuclear Power plants to find the vulnerabilities before the bad guys do. Jon miller i mean somebody actually coming in and causing kinetic damage to a power plant or a pipeline, or the transportation industry, will create a ripple of destruction. Lisa miller says an intentional outage by an enemy state or rogue hacker is not an implausible scenario. On december 23, 2015, hackers took down the power for nearly a quarter of a Million People in ukraine, an unprecedented move thats been widely blamed on russia. Lets talk a little bit about the hack in the ukraine. You know, your suspicions about why that was done, who did it, and if that was a precurso jon miller so, i mean for all intents and purposes, it, it was the russians, right . Um, its pretty commonly recognized that it was a proof of concept. We can talk about you know hacking substations and taking down power. The only way you know if its going to work for reals is if you do it. Joe weiss when you look at what happened in ukraine, everything that happened there could happen here. Lisa joe weiss is an expert on the Automated Systems that control everything from dams to substations. Hes spent his career studying how the electric grid works. Joe weiss look, youve got the transformer, youve got the relay house, you know, this is typical. Lisa weiss says substations like this one are all over the country, and they are more vulnerable to hacks than the utilities care to let on. Thats because weiss and other experts say that nations like china and russia have already infected the u. S. Power grid with the very same destructive malware thats in ukraine. And while it hasnt been triggered, as of now, theres no way to remove it. What does that mean that Blackenergy Malware is in our grids, what does that mean to the average american . Joe weiss what it basically is, is a way of mapping what you have. So what its saying is whoever put it there knows precisely what is in our grids. Lisa michael rogers, who runs both the nsa and u. S. Cyber command, raised the same concerns. Michael rogers its only a matter of when, not the if, you are going to see a nation state or critical actor engage in destructive behavior against the Critical Infrastructure of the united states. Lisa are the government and the Utility Companies prepared for the kind of outage you are talking about . Joe weiss i dont believe so. And the reason is, it could be very widespread and very long. Lisa as long as nine to eighteen what does that look like . Joe weiss what it looks like is the country going back to the 1850s. Lisa but the utility industrys trade association, the Edison Electric institute, has minimized the threat of a cyber hack. Executive director, scott aaronson, was in front of the Senate HomelandSecurity Committee in may. Scott aaronson there are a lot of threats to the grid. And you know, from we say like from squirrels to nation states. And frankly, there have been more blackouts as a result of squirrels than there are from nation states. Lisa gerry cauley, head of the industrys regulatory association, testified in april that any outage would be minimal, and that the industry is ready for it. Gerry cauley in the unlikely event of a successful cyberattack or physical attack, i believe that we are well prepared. Ted koppel its ludicrous for the Power Industry to maintain, uh, that they have secured the power grid. The russians are already inside it and the chinese are already inside it. Lisa ted koppel is the author of lights out, a new book that spells out the risk and how unprepared the government is to deal with it. So, since the bo