Like 100 well it was exactly 144 republicans who voted to not to end the shutdown, to keep the government shut down, and to default on the full faith and credit. So this 30 or 40 that are tail wagging the dog are more like a big tail wagging the dog or a big dog. Rose so there is this question. Yes and they made a mistake, but some people will argue republicans made a big mistake in the shutdown and even tying it to obamacare or Affordable Care act of 2010, because if they had not shut down the government and had the focus on the shutdown of the government they would not be reaping the benefits of what seems to be a very strong and growing impression that the Affordable Care act was not ready for prime time. Well rose not just the web site, but the whole thing. And what the president promised and couldnt deliver. Well, two points here. First of all, they did what they believed. They do not they are antigovernment idea logs so shutting down government is not a big idea for them, as the horrible thing for the country. But they have a Comfort Level with it. Why else would they have shut it down when they knew they had the vote to keep it open . Secondly, when you talk about the affordable healthcare and lets not go too far. What we are talking about now is the Technology Behind it. No we are not, we are not talking about the technology. We are talking about content, we are talking what the president promised. Okay. Rose and the Technology Part is not working but they have not had a whole range of things that are crucial for the development of this legislation. Thank you for posing it that way, because let me say this. First of all, it is a big heavy lift to pass it. President s and speakers for over 100 years had tried to pass Affordable Care for all americans. We passed it. It was challenged over and over again in court, it stood the test of the court, the Supreme Court declared it constitutional, in the first year of its implementation before the full implementation kids 18 to 26, on their parents, their children are subjected to previous condition as an obstacle to their getting insurance. Seniors, medicare, stability stretched out for years, lower cost of prescription drugs, free checkups, no copay, no deductible, and so that implementation of it went very smoothly. Then we come to the distribution piece, the technology piece. It didnt work well. Not unlike Medicare Part d when it opened up,. Rose plenty of warning. We now know we had one person after another come along and sa we are not ready, dont do it. No, no, no. Rose it is wrong or no is that wrong . I dont know what went on behind the scenes. Rose you dont want you dont, what went on at the white house . A. I know what people write buts a great one. Rose i didnt know that. I do know it. Rose how do you know that . Because it is. Rose you dont know that because we havent seen it and so far what we have seen no, no, no, we do know. Lets talk about rose how about those people say i like my policy and then they say well im sorry you cant keep your policy and they say but the president promised me i could keep my policy. Lets talk about and quantify what that is. 95 percent of the people who get healthcare who have Health Insurance now can keep their they get it through businesses, their employment. Rose right. Medicare, medicaid, veterans administration. Rose right. They are not affected. Rose government is government. No, no. It is their employer, largely employer based. Rose veterans and veterans rose that is government. Medicare, medicaid and government. Let us not ignore the important part which is employer based Healthcare Health insurance. Five percent had individual, individual policies, those people will only end up better because they will have a better policy because of the patients bill of rights that is built into the Affordable Care act, so lets not underestimate what the challenge is but lets not over estimate it either. So most of these people will be able to, through their insurer or, or going to their broker or through the Insurance Company to get a policy that is better for them, no preexisting medical conditions. Rose right. No lifetime caps, no lifetime limits on the insurance that they get, so it will only improve for them. So 95 percent of what the president said, yeah, that worked out fine, five percent, many of them will get an approved policy, but the issue is, okay, now we go to the distribution. They have to fix the technology and when Medicare Part d came out which was a smaller program, they had a big, they had big challenges and i can show you 23 headlines right now that say it gets an f, not ready for prime time. Rose right. Glitch, glitch, glitch, and that went on for six months. And what did the republicans say . Oh that is what happens with a big program. Rose well he they do say that. And it is just too big of a program, the federal government cant do cant do this. Believe me as one who was ververy involved with this, this a great thing for our country. The healthier life, the liberty to pursue your happiness whether you wanted to be a writer, a photographer, be selfemployed flew speaker of the house. Start your own business you are not job locked by your policy. You are free to follow your passion. It really is a great thing, you can rose you say it is a great thing, as the great thing. It is. It is fabulous, it is Social Security, medicare, Affordable Care for all americans as a right and not a privilege. Rose i know you believe all of that. I know you do. And you should. You know why you should . Because you created it. Many people think this is your piece of legislation. Well, if it were mine it would be single pay. If it was mine it would be single pay or public option. Rose would we better off if we would say more money. Rose but would we have been off single pay which would have been straightforward in canada and we come down here canada has beyond single pay. They have they can provide health, we are not providing health for anybody, we are providing Health Insurance. Rose right. The affordability, the accessibility, the quality but we are not rose you dont deny you wrote this . This is nancys bill. It is not nancys bill, as the bill that was the, shall we say, a compromise. Rose yes. Because i would have had a public option. There is no use going there. There is plenty of things rose i am just saying you have pride of authorship here, thus you see it as for those who worked very hard on it. Has the perfect thing. No, i dont see it as a perfect thing. Rose what is wrong with it . Nothing has rose what is it about this would you acknowledge that your critics have a point is the critics not of you but the bill. The implementation and the technology rose no not the web site that is clear to everybody. Well i would add of course every bill when you see its implementation you will see where it could be strengthened or changed, one thing i would do is give every insurance commissioner the country the right to judge whether Insurance Companies can raise their rates. Rose that is one thing in the bill i would not do. It would be tougher on Insurance Companies . Yes. Rose but you needed them to get the bill passed . One of the things no, not really but one of the things that Insurance Companies, one of the reasons that people have some reluctance to sign up, believe it or not is their bad experience they had for signing one insurance before, so, you know, again, the technology is wrong, they can get there by telephone or Community Health service, that is not good enough. But it does not have an impact on the product, which is a great thing. Rose here is what liberation. Rose i understand your passion. But sit where i do at two anchor, to an ay anchor desk and see article after article. What are they talking about . Rose they are talking about people and their experience. Well i have rose people and their experience. And i have tw 200 members who bring back stories of people who say, im sorry about the technology, i just want to know how i can sign up, because i need healthcare. Ou can make a phone call and do all of this stuff. Explain this to me. The. Okay. This depends on young people signing up, does it not . Rose and if you lose that, this thing is in a bad, bad place, correct . Well, it is not as good as it would be. Rose it is more than that. Sustainability depends on young people signing up. Healthier younger people. Rose doesnt it . Right. Rose and they are not signing up . Well, they will, they will. Rose is that blind faith you have . No i can, i believe in technology, i believe in technology, they will. Rose so you believe they want to . Oh, yes. Rose there is no question amount that . Well, they have, they are an important part of the passage of the bill, the invincibles, the young people, and they will have rose without them you dont have a bill. It is not that we dont have any bill it is just that you have for them, lets not worry about what we have, lets worry about what they get. Rose yes. For a very low, below 100 a month they will have Health Insurance. They are invincible, except they could get in an accident or they could get a diagnosis that they could become sick in a way that is chickcally, economically challenging too them. So for under 100 a month add some of them almost for free with the subsidies that they would receive, so it is not about what this means to us. It is what it means to individual families in our country. And they have an opportunity now, the stories zero are overwhelming what it means to families with a child with preexisting conditions. With young people say to me, i never i couldnt get a policy because i thought i rode a skateboard and might break a leg and i got cancer and that has put me in a different place but we have will, we will have an app and it will work and young people will catch up. As i said with Medicare Part d, eight years ago,. Rose right. That was problematic, we should do better now with the technology, we are trying to do more with the technology, we will get it right. Rose people like medicare . They like, they love medicare, that is single bear. Rose i understand. No, people do love medicare, the three most important fishes the next election will be medicare, medicare and medicare. Rose well, explain that. You obviously know politics. Explain to me why that is true. Well, medicare is rose not that they like it but they like it because it delivers for them . It delivers for them, everybody wants finish if the that affects them to be better. Rose exactly. But the fact is this is a central pillar for families, because. Some pa families of middle age are sandwiched between the needs of their children or helping their parents if they should need help or get again a diagnosis, so without medicare families are greatly at risk. Rose would you, are you prepared to say this . You desperately, not desperately you have had a wonderful life in many way, a great family, great political career, speaker of the house. Grandmother. Rose grandmother, everything and you are a very happy person. I am. And so would you be perfectly happy if, in fact, the chance you have to serve as speaker, the third most powerful position in the u. S. Government, third in line to the white house, would you be prepared to have that be a referendum on that, on the Affordable Act as a determinative of whether democrats control the house of representatives in the 2006, 2014 election would you . I believe that when this is implemented and it will be in a matter of months. Rose yes. Rose by november 30, they say. Well, for the technology, but you have until the end of march. Rose you will say to and listen, we have got to run on the Affordable Care act, that is our ticket to the majority, are you prepared to well, i think the majority is about jobs, the issue, it is a variant issue. Rose job reports jobs are more important than the healthcare debate . It is a very important issue in our country and near is the thing. Everybody talks about the deficit but we have a growth deficit. We have a jobs deficit. Rose right. And that is why the debate on the budget is so important, before we leave the Affordable Care act remember that all of that investment into medicare was part of the Affordable Care act so i put that together Affordable Care act and what it maintains to medicare, going over here, i think the debate that the public will be interested in is the one on jobs, even though i said medicare, that is dispositive because people will see where they are on that, on jobs, everybody looks for jobs and how do we convince people that our initiative is better than the other. Rose i have to leave, go back to medicaid just one second and then talk about the budget and what neri and paul rand are doing. The medicare and Affordable Care act we hear onestory after another of people on the democratic side telling people in the white house, it is not going to be ready, i it is not going to be both the technology and more, we have got a problem that we now know there is a debate within the white house about what to tell people. These are paper reports. I dont know that. I dont know that but it isnt ready, regardless of who told what when to whom. Rose ho should they have waited and not got until they got it. Right is that the smart thing to do . They will get it right. Rose but they were told it was not right. Well, i dont know that. I dont know that. Rose yes, you know. I d i dont know, i do not k, i know what i am reading in the paper now about it, first we heard that there was that crash because there were so many visitors, now others tell me and i think it is probably so that there was the problems that were there were exacerbated by the people that showed, if it had been so many maybe they would have ridden it out, but whatever it is here is what i do know. The people who were responsible for it ought not to be the ones making the decision as to how to go forward, when i say that i mean the technicians. They need fresh eyes with no skin in the game of their product being judged. Rose right. And to say, how do we make this work. Now lets just do it. Rose they hired the geniuses from the sill son valley havent they. In northern california, this is like a days work, i mean, i believe that they will i believe they will get it right. Rose but. But you know what . This, again, is about the product and good that we started threemonth in advance of the implementation coming in january, so there is time to work all of this out. All your republican colleagues what want to do is just delay it, delay it until we are ready. Of course they dont want to delay it until it is ready, they want to delay it until it is gone and if any of them had even any positive requested about what this means for their constituents, but they dont want it to success main he because it is anish if the of president obama. Also true to their a nature they dont believe in a public role, they think that medicare should wither on the vine that Social Security had no place in a free society. Rose well, tha that was not the position of their candidate in 2012. Oh, plea. Well,. Rose not that medicare should wither on the vine. What do you think having a voucher, the ryan budget, the ryan budget vowper rises medicare. Voucher rises and make seniors pay more while gives tax breaks to millionaires, they criticized the president for cutting medicare. They didnt cut medicare. Rose yes, they did. They did not cut benefits. He cut excessive profits for certain provider,. Rose that is i know but it wasnt true, it wasnt true but the fact is is that the excessive profits for certain providers were taken to extend the life of medicare, to reduce the cost of prescription drugs for seniors and to provide more services, for example, a, the free, no copay, no deductible checkup which makes our seniors healthier and that they use. Okay, that is that. So when we go into the budget debate, the two budgets that are on the table, one is the budget, the Senate Democratic budget which is similar to our house budget and the president s budget but that is their bargaining point and the republican ryan budget, the ryan budget take that same money that we took in the Affordable Care act for prolonging the life of medicare and gives tax cuts to the wealthy while voucher rising medicare and making seniors pay more. Lets have that debate. Lets have that debate. So there, so when you say no, they dont want to wither on the vine, no, they want to voucher rise it and make seniors pay more with the idea that it will be diminished and wither on the vine is not my language. That is the republican language they also had as their top campaign person last time, the person to carry the bill to privatize Social Security, so bless their hearts they dont believe in a public role and they act upon their beliefs, they dont want the president to succeed, and they act upon that. Rose let me ask you about something you really know a lot about. Before we go, as we go to the budget, though jerks to go with, when our members go to that table it is with an open mind to find Common Ground to find Common Ground to get a budget to show, will go to any length to make sure people see we can get something done as we did to open up government and stop the default and that we should have something by thanksgiving. So that the confidence of the consumer over christmas and the confidential rose do what by thanksgiving . We should have a budget agreement by then. Rose you think we will . Thats what why wouldnt we . Everybody knows what the variables Everybody Knows what the variables are. Rose you have so much power there you know exactly where it is at this moment. You know what the conversation i have knowledge but i dont have the power. Rose you have both. You know exactly where t