Golf instructor in the world. A lot of times it is just about, you know, it is about saying like what i said to justin rose the morning on the sunday of the u. S. Open. Rose what did you say . I just, you know, i got up in the morning and i was staying with hunter that week so hunter and i talked and sent tying ear note and sent rosie a note and just said remember, justin, today is a super important day. So dont lets not pretend we are back at lake mono we are at the u. S. Open. Rose and we could win sovereignty face the fact we are there because it is going to take a lot of energy for you to pretend you are somewhere you are not, to so accept it and say to Roger Federer i think pressure is a privilege. Rose john grisham and sean foley next. Funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Well the big issue with publishing is fiveyear, how many people are going to be reading books on a kindle as opposed, you know, a book. And if that number is 50 percent, the ramifications are huge for the entire i have. Rose john grisham is here, he publishes novel time to kill in 1989, and told the story of a smalltime lawyer, jake, and a racially charged murder trial in clant on the, mississippi, the book had initial print run of 5,000 copies, some of which grisham sold from the trunk of his car. Times have changed 22 books later he sold more than a quarter of a billion copies of his work worldwide. His newest novel sycamore row, returns to clanton i am pleased to have john grisham back at this table. You being the master marketeer you are, we end up with sycamore coming a at the same time as a time to kill. Makes us look real smart the doesnt it. There is no way you could plan this. Rose why not . Dumb luck. First i didnt know if time to kill was going to open this fall, if they opened it last fall, that was the plan and things didnt go that well so they pushed it off to this fall. It is, i treat it kind of like a movie, i believe it when i see it, i am not involved in it, i am not involved in movies or tv. Rose yes, you do. You have the right to choose the character, the actor that is involved. She is the director rose but you are not involved. I can veto those people. Rose and you have. Yes you have. A couple of times. Once we have the people in place, though you can ask anybody i have dealt with in film, once the team is in place, you know, they have a screen play, i dont go hang out on the set and i dont rose you dont have notes or anything. It is too boring. You are not doing notes or anything. No. And are you Heather Holmes contacted us about four years ago. Rose the director. Yeah, he is a playwright. Rose playwright. And he said i would like to adapt a time to kill to stage so there is no way in the world because twothirds of the book takes place outside of the courtroom and big scenes everywhere, how can you get it all on one stage. He said let me show you and wrote the play and i read the play about three years ago, and i really liked its, i really like it, i worked, the drama is there in the courtroom and the dra a is on the stage and gets the essence of the for i are and i said is really good i would like to see this play. He say and two years ago it had a brief run at the Arena Theatre in washington, and same director, ethan mcsween any, dale roth produces, and rupert is there writing every day, a couple of the actors were there, including the star, jake, so i had about a sixmonth run, we saw it twice, with thoroughly entertained by it and it was a successful run and darrell roth said we are going to take rose a great broadway producer. One of the best, and, you know, with a lot of clout and she said this is going to broadway. I said okay, i will be there. Just tell me when to show up, sent me a pickup. Rose and you showed up. Last night was the pickup. Rose what did you think. Thoroughly entertaining, very well done, great performances, you know, i care about it being faithful to the book, and it is very faithful to the story. It is just well done, very moving at times, you know, you get choked up occasionally, you get scared occasionally. It is a courtroom drama. Rose , you know, a couple of things about history, as i mentioned in the introduction, it was not a huge best seller time to kill when it first came out. They printed 5,000. Rose 5,000. Hardback copies and no more. Rose and then after the next one, and then the firm, everybody wants to see if there is anything else in the closet. The firm was 18 months after time to kill, and became a best killer and rekindled interest in time to kill we still couldnt get books printed but pelican brief came out and finally the time to kill began selling, and in and in the first wave of movies came in 1994, i remember looking at the New York Times best seller list and the movies of the firm, pelican brief and client has just been released in the previous twelve months, and they were all big movies, and so all those books were back in paperback. The novel in 1994 was the chamber, in hard book back, it was number one, time to kill was number one in paper so we had like four or five books in the top of the list, i think this is pretty crazy stuff, but time to kill was outselling all of them eventually, finally. Rose why is that . Is it the root of all of them this is it sort of the i mean it clearly was the first. Is it you know what people say, i mean, you discovered magic in a bottle there, you know, at the beginning, but, you know, what you have is man against the system. Sure. Rose the loner. It is the story. Rose small town lawyer. Very dramatic story. A father whose little girl get raped and takes matter into his own hands. Rose tell me, describe jake for me. Rose who is jake . Well, when i started writing jake 30 years ago, he was very autobiographical. Rose he was you . Well, pretty much so, yeah, because he and i live rose you in what way . Well i am a small town lawyer in mississippi, struggling to find more clients and plenty of competitors. Rose a little bit of politics. A little bit of politics, a beautiful young wife, having babies and dreams and all of this kind of stuff and wondering if the law was going to be our ticket to where we wanted to go. Rose in mississippi. That, politics, but just the daily grind of trying to eke out a living in a small town street lawyer. It is tough. Not just in the south, all over america, there is competition, as i said the competition is pretty fierce. Rose what was he like . What did he think . What made him mad . You know, rose loyal to his wife. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, in a very honest, upstanding guy who might funnel a little bit on the rules because the other guys are fudging but not much. Ethical, honest, a big dreamer, wants something bigger, he wants to be a trial lawyer, wanting a big trial, a big high profile, big dream rose you are talking about a big case where everybody is watching. And he got it. He got it. Thats what i wanted to do. Never got that far. Rose you wanted also about halfway through that career, i got the bug to write, and so i was still about 30 years old when i got this bug to write what became a time to kill. Rose but a time to kill was based on some story you knew. Oh, yeah a couple of stories i heard about. It involved trials i knew about, i heard about through, you know, the local lower. And i pieced together this plot and i said this will be a very compelling courtroom drama, but if you take issue of what would a father do if he got if he decided to get his own revenge what would happen . And how would a jury react to it an that was the big issue. Rose and they let him off . Well, they didnt in the time to kill, i a i am not sure i think they could probably do that 30 years ago. I am not sure about today. Tremendous amount of sympathy for the dad, and. Rose and done you bad and you ought to have some form of revenge. Somebody raped your little girl it will drive you crazy, yeah. Rose all right. So there is a time to kill which is now, was made into a movie and now been made into a play so it has been a novel, a movie and now a play. Uhhuh. Rose and the damned interesting play we say, watching the premiere, you watched it i havent seen it yet. Sycamore row, which is sycamore row, which is a place where what happens . Well three years after a time to kill. Rose jake is back on the case. Jake has another big trial, and it is back in clanton, 1988. Four cellphones, bent it is hard to write that now, there is no google so we go back to the dark ages of 1988 and jake has another big trial and rose jake has not been fabulous since he time to kill. Jake is still struggling, he worries he had his pinnacle and big moment. He wants the next big case. And the klan burns his wife down so he and his wife are living in a cramped rent house because rental house because they are suing the insurance company, he is still a good guy and dreaming and all of that but things didnt turn out the way he thought they might after the hayley trial he got paid nine hundred bucks for hayley and lost his house, almost lost his he gave his Closing Argument in a time to kill in the bar suit because he was, borrowed suit because he is out of everything and here he is threeyear later, still struggling and still trying to catch up to where he was. Rose right. And suddenly he has a real big case. Rose and this is a very interesting story because you have got this guy who had a bunch of money. Yeah. Rose he is found hung. Uhhuh. Rose and we think maybe the caretaker . Kind of well, the opening chapter is a guy commits suicide and dying of cancer and in tremendous pain, 71 years old. Rose hangs himself. He hangs himself, and that happened on a sunday morning when jake gets to the office on monday in the mail, he receives a letter from this guy who just killed himself, never met him. Rose right. And the guy says i want you to represent my estate, i have a lot of money and nobody knows about it and here is my last will and testament, all handwritten. I cut out my family. Rose exactly. I dont want my kids to get anything and i am leaving everything to my black housekeeper jake doesnt know these people and they are from another art of the county and the guy it turns out was incredibly secret about his money, dealings, assets and all of that and so jake suddenly has this mystery and in has a very big case and in mississippi, as in many states will contest or play out before juries. And so here we go. We go down this rose the housekeeper versus the family. Yeah. So off we go in a trial with all of the scheming and co conniving and back stabbing and throat cutting. Rose are you happy i want goes to trial you have written a lot of other things but are you happiest in is that when you are getting up in the morning and you are going to write about a trial . Not really. No . Charlie, most trials are pretty dull. Rose really . And if you do it accurately you see a lot of stuff on television in movies, it is not that accurate and they get by with it and they have to do it to jazz it up but when you write about a trial, civil or criminal, most of them they take enormous amounts of time and you cant just sit there as a writer page after page after page of dull testimony, whatever so you have got to kind of you have to keep the pages turning and writing about trials, it is pretty challenging. I dont really like to do that. Rose not very many perry mason moments . You cant create them and in real life, no it doesnt happen that way. And you just cant write a lot of litigation. It is not a whole lot of fun. Some of before you get to trial, some of the maneuvering by the lawyer and all of that kind of stuff can be very compelling and fun to read, but the actual courtroom stuff, jury deliberations is just not that interesting, and tough to make it interesting. Rose back to the time to kill i want to take a look at this. Did you have anything to do with the casting of sebastian and tom and all of these people . Nothing . Nothing. No, once i read Rupert Holmes play i said this works, i would love to see this play go. Okay . We signed a contract at some point and i dont even know what is in the contract and they took off with it, rupert did all the work and writing and here we are. Rose okay. So this is a play where Karl Lee Hayley played by john daly asked his attorney jake, played by sebastian a sell lsu what he would have done if it had been his daughter who was raped and almost killed. Take a look at this. If this were your daughter, what would you do . I dont know, i dont know what i would do. Kill him . I am sure i would want to. You are from california. You just told me you would do it. Black men dont get to kill black boys. Hey, hey, hey, this is a white county. With a little luck i will get a all white jury. Most jury would give me a prize. And it is different from me . It would be much harder to win in a courtroom. You could get me off . Listen, maybe not. And i would be home playing my hand while while you are signing who is going to watch out for your daughter then . I just got one question, will you meet me jail, at the jail when they arrest me . There is also this. Politics in washington. Last time you were here you were a little bit disappointed by washington, you must be really disappointed by now. You know, i watched the circus in washington and i keep thinking, there has got to be a good novel here somewhere, a really good political novel that i would love to write, but i havent found the story yet. There is so much there are so many bad guys and idiots, you, it is almost lake you are picking on them because they are so helpless. Rose you dont need to do this, to write a good political story. One thing that bugs me not, about washington is just not the gridlock into between the two parties and both of them are guilty, it is the rise of the lobbying class and this huge amount of money that is being paid to lobbyists to manipulate the government. You know, you have to really wonder and ask, is this a democracy anymore . This is like a pseudo democracy, because. Half of the people are not even registered, those who are registered only half of those go vote and the one who do vote, how many are led astray by, you know, slick campaigns and all of that and once they elect these people to congress, you know, they immediately consume with the lobbyist whose have the big checkbooks and wonder are we really getting a Representative Government . And those are the things i think about and how could you have some fun with that in a novel . I dont know. I am still working on it. Great to have you. Always fun. Rose back in a moment, stay with us. And what you are also trying to feel at this point is you have to ensure at this point that you are still pushing into the ground, because we want to create that couple of forces inbetween the feet that are going to end up being allowing us to create more power in the through swing, from that into position, i am just combining the take away with the body tilting and the held not moving. Rose sean foley is here, he is widely regarded as one of the best golf instructors if not the best in the game. His clients include four of the top 25 players in the world, lee westwood, justin rose and tiger woods. Rose won the uh u. S. Open in june. His he was on the cover of i am pleased to have sean foley at this table for the first time, welcome. I am plead to be here, thanks, charlie. Rose when did you know you wanted to be a golf instructor or a coach as you call it. At a young age i looked at what my dad was doing and what my neighbors were doing, and i look at these guys who went to a golf course every day, everyone loved them and respected them and basically just sat on a driving range and helped people, so at a young age some of the canadian greats i got to be a part of and i owe it all to my father, Jack Mclaughlin from British Columbia who was just in the canadian hall of fame and ben kern who but sponsored on the pga tour by lee trevino and a disciple and best friends with george newt on the, so you look to my mentor, when i was 13 or 14, butch harmon and David Ledbetter were there and i was thinking that is what i want to do and i think when i say that to my dad, he perceived i was thinking of greg norman, but it wasnt the case. So i mean, all of the teacher da rose you liked the life they had, David Ledbetter. My whole life is the search for the perfect shot. Putting and chipping, i dont find it sexy, i recognize its place in the game and its importance but a lot of the current statistics that are coming out of, i work with a professor of columbia named dr. Rose in is a great story. He is doing the numbers. Yes. He is doing the numbers, he just wrote a book i wrote the foreword for that every shot counts and he shows without a doubt, i mean, without a doubt the old adage of drive for show, putt for dough is not true and if you look at, you know, if you look at the top ten ballstrikers in the world they kind of average about 14 method the world ranking, okay, if you look at the top ten putters in the word they average about 62, the big difference, especially with the courses getting bigger and bigger one of the Main Elements is being able to hit it far, not so much accurate, but far and second rough is not the way it used to be, it is not as long but secondary to that is from 175 to 250 yards is really the difference between the weak and the strong. So if someone that much better of a putter at a world class level as the guy number one number 100 that could be a stroke, or a half a stroke, but if you look attiring woods or rose or mcelroy or any of those players, how they hit it very the guy who is 100th in the ballstriking stat is quite a bit different because remember putting is not about power and not being able to create trajectories to the moon to have long irons land soft and if you look at the dominating players of alltime, jack, nick clause, tiger woods, for a few year Johnny Miller they were all able to get the most out of their long irons and hit the ball the highest. Rose so they could hit the ball the highest so drop on the green from 180 to 215 yards . And, you know, with some of my players to get them to hit it furnish further i have this radar device i use a track van and actually looking at their landing angles because pretty much for every degree in landing angle that i start losing, so 40 think, 39, to 38, 38 to 37 i am getting one or two more yards in roll so if i can get a way the way i look at golf, charlie and i am not original, this but pretty up in taught to me by so many people but i couldnt take five hours and say thank you, is i was flat surface of varying loft hitting around object and that is the gist of it so people say, well, who is someone you like that you dont coach . I love to watch jim hit balls because he is as precise as a surgeon and sure aesthetically the style is iffy, the style but the dynamics