So lets have a battle of ideas. Lets have a contest of whose ideas are better. If ryan doesnt want the nomination, why does this video look like a campaign ad to so many people . Finally, kasich does the deli, bernie eats pizza, the subway, new york, new york. If you can pander there, you can pander anywhere. And joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning are matt bai of yahoo news, msnbcs joyann reid, molly and rich lowry of the national review. Welcome to sunday, its meet the press. From nbc news in washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. The Bernie Sanders winning streak keeps on keeping on. Sanders won the wyoming caucuses yesterday. Its his seventh win in the last eight contests. How byzantine is the process . Hillary clinton wound up with more delegates than sanders. Well get to the democratic race and worrys that this weeks nasty turn will hold help republicans in november. Mayor bill de blasio of new york, Hillary Clinton supporter will join me. We begin with the changing landscape. From the start donald trump has played it big, made big speeches, draw big crowds and win big in big primaries. And then let the details take care of themselves. But the details arent taking care of themselves. Ted cruz is taking care of them. And hes piling up delegates in this byzantine process. This weekend in colorado cruz won all 34 of colorados available unbound delegates. He also had a big day gathering delegates in iowa, South Carolina and virginia. Its just the latest development in this tortoise and hare race in which cruz is playing the tortoise slowly gaining delegate by delegate on a Trump Campaign thats been sleeping on the job. When it comes to the grass roots, donlald has a very hard time competing. The stop Trump Movement is turning to a new kind of ground game, working to out organize trump in the state by state battle for delegates. So far its working. Trump was shut out at this weekends colorado convention. Ted cruz. Ted cruz. Ted cruz. And just one of 25 delegates selected last sunday in north dakota said he plans to back trump. Trumps Colorado State delegate director started in his job on wednesday after the previous director was fired. Its been like drinking from a fire hose. Its a very arcane system. They have land mines all over the place, and i think its it is unfair he has little margin for error. Trump must win 61 of remaining delegates to clench the delegate majority he needs to avoid a contested convention. Supporters dismiss questions about his organizations efforts in colorado. Probably wouldnt carry the state anyway. You fight the battles you can win. And trump is depending on a big win in new york, where hes polling above 50 . Its great to be home. Hoping to sweep the empire states 95 delegates and completely shut out ted cruz. Do you remember during the debate when he started lecturing me on new york values like were no good . Like were no good. Lukewarm feelings about cruz have some stop trump Establishment Republicans dreaming of none of the above. Liberals House Speaker paul ryan fueled the speculation this week by releasing this campaignstyle video. So lets have a battle of ideas. Lets have a contest of whose ideas are better. While trump dismisses any talk of Campaign Power struggles in public. I had not heard anything about the inner fightings of the campaign. In private trumps team is clearly worried. Expanding the role of new hire Paul Manafort. A Onetime Republican powerhouse trump brought in to be his Convention Manager. And joining me now is Donald Trumps new Convention ManagerPaul Manafort, a onetime delegate wrangler for harold ford and bob dole brought in to stop this delegate bleeding. Welcome back to meet the press. Thank you. Let me start with what a cruz official claimed to me this weekend, that there are 144 different delegate selection events yesterday in 11 states. And they were stunned that essentially outside of michigan the Trump Campaign was nowhere. Is that a Fair Assessment . Not at all. First of all, alabama, they caucused this weekend. And weve got all the committee spots, Convention Committee spots have been assigned in michigan as you correctly said where they made a real effort they failed. In fact, we wiped him out. Hes got no Committee Appointments out of michigan. And in nevada preview of coming attractions, Clarke County went overwhelmingly for donald trump and they have the majority of the delegates to the state Convention Leader in this process. And youre going to see ted cruz get skunked in nevada. But you acknowledge that theyve been out gunning the Trump Campaign on these weekend events . Acknowledge we werent playing in colorado when they did. I acknowledge that theyve taken an approach to some of the county conventions where they can scorch policy and dont care about the party. If they dont get what they want, they blow it up. Thats not going to work. In fact, its all secondary games. Because when youre talking about delegates, you have to distinguish between actual delegates or trojan delegates which are people committed to support someone on the first ballot regardless of who theyre for. Youve been very outspoken saying, look, what cruz is doing is going to be moot because you guys are going to win this in the first ballot. In fact, you claim you will clinch this nomination by mid may. They you wont need california to put you over the top. No, i didnt say wed clinch it. I said wed be the presumptive nominee. Which means you would see the path okay. You wont be crossing the line. Weve got to go through to june. We have to wait until the process is done, but im confident. We have several ways through june 7th to go over 1237. And, you know, not counted in that at all are any of these unbound delegates who are getting selected, many of whom i feel pretty good about. Now, look, theres been some talk about whats going on inside the campaign. Are you running this campaign now . Is that the fairest way to look at it . Donald trump is running this campaign and im working directly for donald trump. But im working with the whole team as well. And, you know, a lot of whats being talked about is much adieu about nothing. Yes, theres a transition. Its a natural transition. Trump was doing very well on a model that made sense. But now that the campaign has gotten to the end stages a more Traditional Campaign has to take place. And trump recognized that and is now reaching out not just with me but others youll start to see coming in. Donald trump has hired you because he says he needs an insider to help him with experience with this. Some could argue its been a long time since youve been a washington insider. You yourself have said that. Do you know these delegates . The Selection Process may be the same from 96 or 76, do you know these people . You would be surprised whove been calling me over the last week and where theyre from. You know, do i know the 25, 30yearold delegates . No. Do i know the people who push buttons in a lot of these states . Yes. Thats not even the point. Theres a lot of residual support for donald trump out there that hasnt been tapped. Whether its more or somebody else its the process. If you know how to use the process, the support is there. I want to talk about some of the methods youre going to use to try to cajole these delegates. Let me play something your former business partd ner roger stone said, get you to react to it. Were going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. Appropriate rhetoric . Im not giving him my hotel room. Okay. Is that roger is not an official part of the campaign. Did he bring you in . No. In fact not at all. I came in a totally different way. Ive known trump for 30 years. When somebody started talking about the need to bring in additional people to deal with this process, friends not at all from the political realm even, he listened and then reached out. What is fair game to win a delegate . Is threatening a fair game . Its not my style. Its not Donald Trumps style. But it has ted cruzs style. And thats going to wear thin very fast. You think hes threatening delegates . Well, hes threatening you go to his county conventions and you see the gastapo tactics. Thats a strong word. Were filing several protests because the reality is they are not playing by the rules. But frankly thats the side game. The only game im focusing on right now is getting delegates. And the games that have happened even this past weekend, you know, are not important to the longterm game of how do we get to 1237. But is he i guess what is fair game in getting a delegate . Is paying for their convention costs . Is it Golf Club Memberships . Whats fair and unfair in this . Whats ethical and unethical . Theres the law and ethics and im not going to get into what tactics to use. I happen to think the best way were going to get delegates is have donald trump exposed to delegates, hear what he says. Hes done very well so far by putting himself in position by communicating. I think the key for delegates coming up, especially the unbound delegates, is the electability question. And right now were in a fight. And this fight is, you know, causes the negative score for all the candidates. But theres not one question in my mind, not one state you can look at that romney lost in 2012 that cruz can win. Not one. But trump changes the whole map. As we get into those arguments, which is the end game of the end game, that persuasion starts to have an impact. You have some controversial clients in your past. Some current, some in the past. Has mr. Trump asked you to stop working for certain clients, stop doing work in ukraine if its against Americas National security . Well, the work i was doing in ukraine was to help ukraine get into europe. And we succeeded. But im not working for any clients right now other than mr. Trump. Are you going to make a promise in the future that if hes president youll be careful what clients you take . Im always careful what clients i take. All right. I will leave it there. Paul manafort, new Convention Manager, thank you for coming on. Thank you. Lets bring in matt bai, molly ball of the atlantic, my colleague at msnbc joyann reid and rich lao owrlowry, editor o national review. Welcome to you all. Rich, let me start with you. Youve heard whats going on. I think the Trump Campaign saw what was happening. Donald trump saw what was happening to them in the states and they had to make this change. Is it going to work . This is a campaign that was built on media interviews, on big rallies and on a twitter feed. And even now that theyre retooling i doubt grassroots organizing will ever be in its dna the way it is for the Cruz Campaign. And theres still a lot of variables, obviously, if trumps short how far short, whats the margin with cruz, what do his general election numbers look like in july . But we may be getting to a place where its slightly more likely that ted cruz will be the nominee than donald trump. Because if it gets to a convention, that is very favorable terrain for cruz. But, molly, as paul has made it clear both with me and in previous interviews theyre not going to get to a second ballot. To me thats acknowledgment they need to get to this on a first ballot. It may be. I dont think thats necessarily the sub text of what hes saying. I think they are doing everything in their control to also make the second ballot feasible for them if it should come to that. You know, you always want to say youre going to win this thing straight out and youre not going to need to get to that point. But when he was talking about the trojan delegates and trying to make sure that the delegates that are committed on the first ballot are committed all the way through, thats clearly also an effort theyre making. So i think what the message that Paul Manafort is trying to send in that interview and a lot of other interviews is that things are under control, that they know what theyre doing and that was very much not the case before. This weekend, i mean, thats what you look at this weekend and the Cruz Campaign has really pounded their chest. Theres a couple questions, right. Can trump get to 1237 . And obviously thats going to be their first game. And we are talking about this and i think it looks less and less likely. But then Paul Manafort says something interesting. We are going to let trump be exposed to delegates. I think this gets to the heart of the issue. Say he gets really close, the closer he gets to 1237, even if he doesnt get it, thats on him. He has to go out and convince a certain number of delegates that hes a worthwhile if he cant do that. Shame on him and he doesnt deserve the nomination. Unbound delegate but you know, joy, its funny matt brings it up this way and paul said, whos going to win whos a better shot at winning over a room of 100 . Ted cruz or donald trump . Well, i think it depends because in the previous proce processes they sent surrogates in. I think ted cruz then has a problem because hes not exactly a personable fellow. So if theyre doing the persuasion oneonone, i think youd think trump would gain some advantage. You always hear trump is fun, right . He has this way about him. Have you watched the apprentice . If he cant get a room of 100 go ahead and finish, joy. I think the thing is what were seeing here and its fascinating to watch politics reassert itself. While donald trump has had some of the air campaign, youve seen them just not playing in terms of the nuts and bolts of what you do to actually win a nomination. And ted cruz does not have that. He doesnt have the ability to be but he plays the game. I thought the eliminating answer i said so whos running this campaign and he said, well, Donald Trumps in charge. The most honest statement there is. Yes, candidates are in charge of their own campaign, but in this case he is. I spoke to donald trump a few weeks ago and one of the things i asked him, you know, you havent had anybody with president ial Campaign Experience really. Dont you think you need some of those people, or is this just a completely new model of campaign where those people are irrelevant now . And he said, well, this has worked for me so far. So theres clearly been so now theres clearly been a realization on his part that it isnt working anymore or at the very least that there needs to be someone in the room who does know what theyre doing. This question of cruz and persuasion at the convention, i think its a mistake to think the conventions going to be like a luncheon at the Capitol Hill Club where everyones a senator and a lobbyists. These will be activists, theyll be conservative. They are ted cruzs kind of people. And at every single one of these meetings that campaign is making sure theyre going to be ted cruz kind of people. You know who else theyre like . Theyre probably paul ryan type of people too. That is a conversation im just throwing a grenade in. Let it explode and well talk about it later in the show. But coming up, what if the republican establishment manages to deny both trump and cruz the nomination . 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You know, your analysis has helped us improve our predictive accuracy by over 500 . 550. 2, to be precise, but we can always do better. I like your attitude watson. It was this same old story in the democratic caucuses in wyoming yesterday. Bernie sanders won the votes, but Hillary Clinton got the delegates. Sanders won wyoming by 12 points, 5644. But that didnt help him in the delegate race. Clinton took 11 delegates to sanders 7 when you threw the supers, the super designate gats. As you can see, clinton still holds a large delegate lead. It came after a week of unusually harsh sniping between sanders and clinton in anticipation of next weeks make or make new york state caucuses. Senator sanders joins me now from his home state, new york city. Senator, welcome back, sir. Great to be with you. Let me start with what happened in wyoming. How frustrating is it to you that you won by dibble duntle on tuesday, and overall, wisconsin and wyoming, you were able to narrow the pledge delegate gap all by just ten delegates total . Thats not a pat to the nomination . Well, thats what happens when you have proportional representation. What is a path to the nomination is we have cut secretary clintons lead by one third in the last month. We have one eight out of nine contests. National polling in the last three polls, two of them have us ahead. We are running stronger against do