News. Kathleen parker of the Washington Post. And former chairman of the Republican National committee michael steele. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. Good morning. Happy mothers day. Security has been raised at military bases in response to threat posed by homegrown extremists. Isis claimed responsibility for a shooting at a prophet muhammed cartoon in texas which saw two gunmen killed. There is no evidence isis was directly involved in the attack, but the gunmen may have been inspired by isis and their increasingly sophisticated presence on the internet and social media. Here is our own Pete Williams on how the battle against isis is not just being fought in iraq and syria, but now in cyber space. Reporter this is what has the fbi so worried. An explosion in slick isis propaganda with messages tailored to a young audience resembling Popular Video games showing children in isisrun schools. Many overtly call for violence. Now an avalanche of messages on social media urging followers to attack here at home. Example, at the height of the unrest in baltimore, this tweet called it a great chance for lone wolves, almost everything is in chaos. How many in the u. S. Are following these messages . I would lean more toward hundreds in terms of people who are really committed isis supporters. There are probably thousands who have some degree of interest. Reporter the fbi says Elton Simpson was one of them, inspired by isis followers to join in his roommate attacking last week in garland, texas. If you put the frame back to al qaeda, they would spend a long time planning and plotting to do a largescale spectacular attack. What you are seeing now instead is an encouragement to commit whatever type of smallscale attack you can wherever you happen to be located. Reporter an estimated 60,000 messages a day, some in public where police and the fbi can see them, but often ending up in encrypted direct messaging impossible to crack. Their direct approach can be seductive. Its difficult to motivate a lone wolf to get off their couch because their primary motivator is social contact. On social media, you can have a sense of knowing somebody very well, intimately, even if they are on the other side of the globe. This remote intimacy is a powerful motivator compared to al qaeda putting out videos and magazines. Reporter a clearly worried fbi director says, i know there are other Elton Simpsons out there. The fbi is following hundreds of potential home grown extremists with cases open in every state and agents facing a huge challenge, deciding which ones to keep under close watch to stop the next Elton Simpson. For meet the press, Pete Williams, nbc news, washington. Im joined by the democratic vice chair of the Senate IntelligenceCommittee Dianne feinstein of california. And michael leiter. Welcome back to both of you to meet the press. Mike, let me start with you on petes report. You heard it there. Obviously fbi director very concerned. You talked before about the social media issue. Walk me through the counterterrorism center. When you were there, how closely did you follow social media and how closely do you think they are doing it now . We followed more and more as there were more and more people around the world using it. Today its probably the single thing they are watching more than anything else. When i was there, it was largely about al qaeda and pakistan and grainy videos from bin laden. It got worse in yemen. Today the way of messaging, recruiting, motivating and mobilizing people to violence is now through social media. That makes their challenge hugely difficult on a number of fronts. The fbi director was quoted in the Washington Post saying this, senator feinstein, its almost as if there is a devil sitting on the shoulder saying, kill, kill, kill, kill, all day long. The fbi director said the old paradigm between inspired or directed when it comes to what isis is doing, he thinks there is no distinction that its irrelevant. Do you see it the same way . Well, i see it the way the director said it. I think it is kill, kill, kill. And it is putting the lone wolf in a position that thats never happened before, that has never been in before, and that is you know, you do it and we take credit for it. The evil, beheadings, the individual doesnt see. So you make the contact and you pursue that contact and then the individual goes out and puts forth an attack. Isis is now has a presence in 11 states. Its unlike aqap, unlike the old al qaeda. Its both a fighting force, its an occupying force, its a governing force. It is reaching out to put together that califate. And in the process behead or shoot anyone whose religion differs or differs with what theyre doing. Its a force that we really havent seen before. We have to begin to cope more seriously with it. That includes social media. Clearly, we dont really have a social media policy thats working. I want to play a sound byte from senator cory booker, democrat from new jersey at a hearing this week. He is mr. Twitter. If you follow him on twitter. He was just lambasting the administrations efforts on social media against isis. I was shocked at what we are doing countermessaging. I want to pass this ipad around to my colleagues. If you know about social media, look at the engagement of people on our social media feeds. Its laughable. Three retweets, two retweets. I cant tell you how many times i have heard from the obama administration, from the state department, from the cia different ways. We are going to engage on social media like never before. And every one of them doesnt. Every program doesnt work. This has probably been the weakest leg in counterterrorism stool we ever had. Frankly, we havent funded it the way we have to. Any messaging the u. S. Government often loses its legitimacy because its coming from the u. S. Government. What we should be doing is investing and enabling moderate muslims throughout the world to counter this message. We are not good at it. We proved ourselves. Its governmentsupported. It wont be believed. Thats right. Weve got to get the technology and tools to Community Groups who do want to counter this message. Simultaneously we have to have a Law Enforcement presence to monitor understand we cant monitor everyone, and really work with Technology Companies to make sure information can be monitored pursuant to the law. I tell you, senator feinstein, this issue of monitoring with social media companies, obviously that starts infringing on First Amendment rights and whats the line and whats not the line. Let me start with the fbi. Do you think they can handle all the cases they have . You heard the fbi director say all 50 states they have some potential isis follower they are following. Do they have the resources to deal with this . Is it the type of threat we should throw even more money at . Well, i will tell you this. If they dont have the resources, they just have to come to the president and congress and they are going to get the resources. I mean, this is a matter of prime defense of the homeland. It would come first. Director comey has said in their 56 field offices, they have investigations in every one. It takes 30 agents to surveil one person. Its an amazingly intensive personnel issue. Having said that, i really think we need to take a look at this. While i have you, the patriot ookt act, the bulk Data Collection was struck down in court. Not saying it was unconstitutional, saying the law doesnt cover what the administration has said it covers, which is bulk Data Collection. Says if Congress Wants to be able to do this, they need to explicitly pass a law that forces Telephone Companies to do this or not. Where are you on this . Are you willing to pass a specific law that allow for bulk Data Collection, whether held by the phone companies or the government . I think heres the thing. The president , the house and a number of members of the senate believe that we need to change that program. The way to change it is simply to go to the court for a query, permission to go to a telecom and get that data. The question is whether the telecoms will hold the data. The answer to that question is somewhat mixed. I know the president believes that the telecoms will hold the data. I think we should try that. An act of congress could force them to do that, correct . An act of congress could force them. Will that pass this congress . Thats the problem. The house does not have it in their bill. Senator leahy does not have that in his bill. June 1st, patriot act expires. Well see what happens. Senator feinstein, happy mothers day, by the way. Thank you. Mike leiter, always a pleasure. Great to be here. Later in the broadcast on this mothers day, what makes the u. S. Just about the worse place in the industrialized world to be a working mom . Wait till you see these statistics. She raised kids, a woman running for president and she is not Hillary Clinton. Next, Carly Fiorina for a meet the candidates interview on [ male announcer ] some come here to build something smarter. Some come here to build something stronger. Others come to build something faster. Something safer. Something greener. Something the whole world can share. People come to boeing to do many different things. But its always about the very thing we do best. More and more, data is visual. 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We asked a number of them in our nbc wall street journal poll. The idea of somebody without any political experience at all, any Elective Office experience actually made nearly 70 of those we surveyed uncomfortable or have significant reservations about. You obviously do not have a background in Elective Office. You believe that is something of an asset. Voters dont see it that way. What do you say to them . Well, i spent a lot of time with voters in a lot of places. I think many, many voters actually now are looking for someone outside the political class. They believe we need to challenge the status quo of washington. Im certainly not a political neophyte. Ive run my own campaign and advised others. I helped lots of others win. In addition, i have done a lot of policy work, advised secretary of defense, heads of cia, nsa, homeland security. Im not a neophyte, but i come with qualifications others dont have. I understand how the economy works. I understand how the world works. I know more World Leaders on the stage than Anyone Running with the possible exception of Hillary Clinton. I understand how bureaucracies work. Our government has become a vast, huge, bloated, corrupt bureaucracy. I understand technology which is an important tool. Lastly and equally importantly, i understand executive decisionmaking, which is making a tough call in a tough time for which you are prepared to be held accountable. Something at least Hillary Clinton doesnt have a track record of. You bring up your business background with hp. Its been litigated quite a bit there. Youve seen this website. Carly fiorina. Org, and a person there says you failed to register this domain so im using it to tell how many people lost their jobs while you were ceo. Emoticons of 30,000 sad faces. Then it has a quote taken out of context, saying, i would have done them all faster. Do you have regrets of those layoffs. That website and your line of questioning leaves out a whole bunch of other facts. Facts and results counts. Its not just about words. Why did they fire you . I took hewlettpackard through the Worst Technology session in 20 years. Tough calls were necessary. There is nothing worse than laying someone off. Many companies which we competed are gone all together. What people fail to comment on is the fact we doubled the size of the company, took the growth rate from 2 to 9 . We tripled the rate of innovation to 11 patents a day and went from lagging behind to leading in every product category. We grew jobs here in the u. S. And all over the world. You cant just leave those facts out. They are as vital to the record as the fact that yes, indeed, i had to make tough calls during tough times. Tough times that many Technology Companies didnt survive at all. Why did hp board fire you and the day they did, the stock went up nearly 7 . They did fire me. Ive been very open about that. I was fired in a boardroom brawl. We had Board Members leaking information out of the boardroom. The truth is this. It is a leaders job to challenge the status quo. When you do, you make enemies. I understand that well. The track record of the people of hewlettpackard and i over an almost sixyear period is crystal clear. The stock has gone down during my tenure as did every other Single Technology company. I think what youll find if you follow the stock market at all, every time there is a change with a company, the stock tends to go up, whether its splitting the company, which the current ceo just announced. The stock market is not a good arbiter of success over the long term. The average holding of stock today is less than 90 days. It is more a reflection of current emotion and conventional wisdom than anything else. A ceo cannot run a Company Based on conventional wisdom or current emotion. A ceos job is to build sustainable value