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gentlemen, play well. >> all right, dan, as you mentioned, two recognizable names, one not so much. sergio garcia the tenth ranked player in world, rickie fowler the 13th and kevin kisner the 123rd ranked player. you'll see how they played this set of three holes, fowler 6 under, garcia 6 under, kisner 1 under. kisner will have the honor to play first. >> this is going to flame out to the right. this is going to miss the fairway. >> chances are that will force a layup. >> kevin kisner next to play. >> garcia next to play. >> this one started up the right-hand side also. he hit it a little bit high. >> that one missed the fairway as well. so opportunity for fowler perhaps, to jump out in front here. with a good drive. remember he made three here. in regulation. >> well that's all three of them. this well right as well. maybe the furthest one right. >> okay. so no one able to hit the fairway on the first playoff hole. garcia fowler and kisner a three-hole aggregate playoff to determine the players champion. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. 16 17 and 18 poised again for this encore performance, fowler garcia and kisner. we'll see who has any kind of opportunity to go for it gary. >> i'll be surprised in any of them do. now being an aggregate playoff, perhaps your philosophy is different. in a sudden death playoff, you have to be aggressive. with three holes to play you may be able to afford to play conservatively. >> not an easy layup when you're in trouble over there. >> no it is not. it's very narrow if you try to lay up on the left side over there. have to avoid the water, obviously. >> and the oak tree. stay far enough back. >> yes. >> then the oak tree doesn't have an effect. >> all right. roger maltbie we're hearing that kisner is away. >> he will be first, yes, off the fairway to the right. he has 2 of 6 to the hole. ball in the rough sitting down here some. i don't see any viable opportunity to try and knock it on the green. i think he'll have to lay it up down the left. i would expect the same with the our players. >> what you don't want to do is lay it up too far down that right-hand side. >> correct. >> if it's back far enough. time will tell but i don't know. >> that's down there pretty far. >> all right, mark what about garcia's situation? >> it's quite different than kevin's. ball is sitting okay in the grass but he has a big mound in front of them. he neats to get the ball up. >> i don't believe he's going to try and hit it as far as kisner hit his. >> it's a while in the air but a good line. nice and straight. >> that's well back. he'll have no issue. >> quiet please. quiet, please. thank you. >> the last to play will be fowler also from the right rough. >> ball sitting down a little bit. you know downhill lie, 257. same issues for him. just a layup down the left. >> okay. all three players forced to lay up at the par 5 16th, the first hole of the three-hole aggregate playoff. we'll be back with more in just a moment. of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. your daughter has a brilliant idea for her science project. and you could make it happen. right? 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>> i would think. he's laid it up too close to this oak tree and has to play underneath the limb 78 yards. he will have to try to chase it up there and use the slope. this is good. good as good as he could hope for. >> illustrious champions as you would expect through the years of this players championship being played for the 42nd time. and some of the recent champions, this to give you a sense who have has won that crystal. phil mickelson, sergio garcia won it in '08 before he let it slip away a couple years ago. henrik stenson in 2009 tim clark, showing you players with all sorts of talent could win. k.j. choi matt kuchar and then tiger woods becoming one of the multiple winners of this championship and martin kaymer the defending champion from germany. he won this title and the u.s. open in a span of about a month last year. if you look at just pure winning experience gary and johnny, i mean within mean, there's no doubt it's tilted. you have kisner who never won on a pga tour. then you have rickie fowler he won a playoff in 2012. then you have sergio garcia, 11 wins on the european tour not to mention eight wins on the pga tour, including one here. so winning experience sergio big time. >> yes, but sergio's last win, dan, was a good two and a half years ago on the pga tour. there have been some issues since that last win. his some chances and hasn't gotten it done as we watch kisner putt first. >> got to turn to his right initially. doesn't look like it does much around the hole to me. >> one of the recent chances, gary for sergio was at riviera. >> yes, finished one shot out of that playoff that you're talking about there at riviera, that james hahn ended up winning. >> gary this is not going to be an easy putt for sergio to read. normally you would think the ball would turn to his left down this close to the water toward the lake. i don't think this one's going to. >> it was on line but never hard enough. i'm wondering how many of the fans rog, know this is an aggregate playoff? they may think fowler has a chance to win this thing right here. >> good question. it would be interesting if we can quickly poll them. >> it is the first ever. >> weird noises. >> first ever in this championship. >> this has got to go just a touch to his right from here. >> what a good-looking putt that was. had to move just a little to the right. i guess there's a short one for his 5. so all three players par the first playoff hole. and they'll take the walk over to 17. >> garcia might have been thinking earlier, i thought i was done with this hole for the day. >> yes, we documented what has happened to him through the years. good and bad. but the bad out of your mind somehow. >> how about all three of these players making a 2 earlier. >> in the final round. garcia was the most improbable the 40 plus-foot putt. >> again, longest of the season. >> it will be interesting to see see. kisner will hit first again as all three players made pars on the first hole. interesting to see if kisner remains as aggressive as he's been. he'll be playing first here. rog, you watched him all day. any reason to believe he won't go right at it? >> no. none. in regulation he tried to use that slope to go up to the hole and just missed it. wouldn't be surprised if he went over there again. see if he can take it down to the right. >> the wind has definitely dropped at least 50% from what it was when they went through here earlier. >> it also changed direction, ever so slightly john. it's now coming a little from the left which actually is good. it makes it a little easier to play to that hole location than when it was coming off the players' right and helping. i wouldn'ten surprise enen enbe surprised if we saw some good shots here now. >> the approach here. >> take a look at the shape of this shot. tracer technology. similar shot to what he hit in regulation just a little farther right. now the man with so much history here at 17. >> oh, that's back there, very similar to where he made the putt from before. >> another look at that shot. >> he's going to try to get that thing a little to the right and was unable to do it. he knows. >> it's unfortunate it didn't go too far. you're right. >> a cheer for rickie. >> let's take another look at this one. from above. amazing that little change in wind direction, john allows these guys to go right at it. no fear that their ball will get knocked down to the left. >> rickie's wedge game is his strength. he showed it right there, going right at it. >> talk about no fear for fowler at 17 as we trace this latest view he'll have a chance for birdie at 17 in five trips here this week to the island green. >> all right. so all three in similar spots to where they were in regulation. first it was fowler who hit it just inside of seven feet. it looked like it might miss left. and then sergio from almost exactly where he is now, over 40 feet down the slope. best putt of his career right there. >> read it absolutely perfectly. >> and then kisner from right at hole high about 15 feet little left-to-right break and he poured it in. >> fowler is the crowd favorite johnny, by far. yes. >> starting to get long shadows now. >> sunset is at 8:09 as they play this second of the three holes and, of course, par 4 18th coming up. you wonder how much golf would be left even if it's not decided after the 18th. >> that sun is right at the top of the pine trees looking west. so -- >> johnny you want to talk about clutch shots, rickie fowler is 6 feet 5 inches from the hole. that's the closest he's hit it all week. kisner 9 feet 6 inches his closest shot all week as well. >> nice to see. >> yep. >> with gary garcia 30 feet 10 inches. little bit inside of what he made earlier in regulation. once again, the old stage of 17 is set. >> rickie has a similar putt to what he did in regulation. >> actually, johnny sergio garcia's is similar to the one he had. it's a little deep near the green. he was back on this back edge. >> let's take a look at garcia's putt using our pinpoint an nation off the upper level, steeply downhill. moving from right to left. >> i know this the first time he hit the putt from this general direction, too took a long time to go into the hole. . >> this one is a little off. good speed. not quite enough break. >> it was a nice lag, though. >> under normal circumstances, john i'd say he'd be relatively pleased with it. >> he can't expect to make that. >> absolutely not. >> that was a good two-putt. >> didn't expect him to make it the first time he hit it in regulation. >> it's this aggregate. just because fouler is in there close, it's like like you have to make this. >> if you get birdie and take the lead on the other two guys on 18 you have great chance to pull it out. this is an important etch change right here gary. >> it is. this one a shorter version of the putt he made earlier. maybe a little more break? >> i think just a touch. it's a little different angle, not as close to hole high. >> how about this for a guy who's never won on the pga tour? >> you know what i like johnny he looks like he expects to do it. >> that's what i was sort of saying on the 18th hole when he was on the green. >> another look. fowler to answer. a little different angle here john than he had the first go round. i think this one will turn a little more to the left. >> got it. fowler with a 2. kisner with a 2. >> let's golf. so sergio finds himself one shot behind in this three-hole aggregate as they move to the 18th. >> fowler birdies it for the fourth time this week. now he goes over to 18 to see if he can pour another one in like he did in regulation to finish off that 6 under in six-hole stretch. and kisner who had one that just grazed the edge that would have put an end to this a long time ago, through the tunnel and into the sun. we end up having after this hole. >> talk about sucking it up and hitting a good one down the middle like fowler did. >> garcia needs to make up some ground here. he is one back after the birdies by fowler and kisner. >> it's pretty impressive fouler is 7 under the last eight holes. that's quite a run. butkuser in is looking like a star in the making. he is 31. he's not like rickie. >> rickie's the youngest in this group by five years younger than kisner. garcia is 35. >> well the good news this hole has a little more sunlight available than 16 and 17. no trees on the left. >> kisner had a good one in regulation. see if he can do it again. >> he's drawing a push but not much. see if that hangs in there. >> it's going to be just fine barely. when someone hits the regulation shot. >> right on the edge. good shape. >> oh, boy did he challenge that left. he just piped it. >> he's hit the fairway and the green now every round that he's played it including this one. >> that makes the task for garcia even tougher, trailing fowler and kisner by one. >> didn't see if this was a driver or a 3 metal. we'll see in a second. >> this one should be all right with the fairway metal. should land softly. >> it does. how about those three drives? >> three pressure-packed drives. we play on at the players championship. fowler and kisner with a one-shot advantage over garcia final hole of the three-hole aggregate, first ever at the players. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. record crowds all week at the players championship. 42nd, continuing on in this three-hole aggregate. what the champion receives five-year pga tour exemption. these numbers, of course would mean even more for a guy like kevin kisner who has never won on at tour at age 31 can solidify his schedule not to mention a nice payday and 600 fedex cup points. >> that is quite the gallery. that's like eight, ten deep. there is kisner. he had that performance before finally losing in a playoff to jim furyk. anybody who watched it knows what he did putting a birdie on top of furyk, making a birdie to get into it and finally succumbing to furyk. here he is in the limelight with fowler and garcia. >> rickie fowler smoked one out there, longest drive of the entire week 336 yards. >> and fowler in his 142nd pga tour start. still hears about it every week that one win. when are you going to win next rickie? seven runner ups. kisner to play first, roger. >> 166 left for kisner. >> staring right into the sun. >> yes, right into the setting sun. that is a bit awkward. there's shadow that's fallen over the flagstick on the front of the green. it's a bit longer shot than he had in regulation. he landed it perfectly just short of the front edge in regulation. that's about how precise you have to be to get it really close. >> you do have side boards which helps. you can aim right of the flag and get help from the hill. this hole location is made to be exciting and make birdies. >> really too short. >> garcia is one shot behind fowler and kisner. >> he's got 161 yards to the hole and he simply has to make a three. >> this is going to be hanging out to the right just a little. >> it's going to get the feed down toward the hole a little bit. very popular spot with that crazy putt. maybe he's learned from it. he has given himself a chance for certainly what we expect for a need to be a three to stay alive. >> johnny the aggressive play with the drivers paid off. just 110 left. >> you heard him refer to the one that he hit in charlotte, stuck it within four feet on the first playoff hole to put it in. >> right of the hole. that is not good from there. >> fowler ais farther than anyone after making the longest drive. >> he had great intention and recollection of the great shot at charlotte. but didn't quite pull it off. >> you know the ball starts going shorter this time of day and the wind has switched slightly used to be dead downwind. now it's down and to the right. i don't know if the players picked up on that. the balls aren't going to go as far. >> regardless of what happens here garcia who needs to figure out a way to make up a shot on fowler and kisner he is going to become, sergio the first player to record four top five finishes on the stadium course. we talked about it all week how good sergio has been on this stage. he let one get away a couple years ago to tiger on the green at 17. that many not many have plays much better on this players championship course than garcia in recent years. >> time will tell. it looks like good chance we'll go to the ilan green after this. >> and that is when is would turn into sudden death. >> sergio has to get in the mix with a miraculous birdie. you're going to have to make birdie. >> fowler is away. how tough of an up and down is this rog? >> i wouldn't call it a tough up and in. he'll chip this ball. if you're trying to make it that's your best chance. it will be downhill and moving from his right to left. >> he's thinking of making it i can tell you that. he's not thinking about the up and in. you do want to picture the ball just getting to the hole and falling in. you don't want to be thinking i have to knock it six feet by. back to basics. >> certainly don't want to give one to kisner and have a par be perhaps the winner. >> yes. >> fowler just cozies it up. well done. >> we know that kisner will have another chance here at 18 to win it. >> yes, twice he's going to have a putt to win it. regardless of what garcia does. there is the situation after the first two of the aggregate, three. fowler and kisner tied. best fowler can do is be one under to the three holes. kisner could get this down and win it. >> well obviously longer than the putt he had on the 72nd hole. pretty much on the same lines. so he should have a real good idea what it does around the cup. >> second chance for kisner to become only the thurd player to make this make this pga championship his first pga tour win. >> is he going to get it there? how close has kisner come twice at 18. >> very impressive. all of about an inch with two at best. rode the right edge in regulation for birdie. and this looked like it might want to just top until there to the left johnny. >> just lacked a little bit of speed. was looking good right there. if it had speed it was in. >> now, fowler and kisner with pretty much 4s, garcia has to make this. >> he knows pretty much what this putt will do now. not dissimilar from a little while ago. >> sergio garcia with a tap-in 4 at 18 came in one back of fowler and kisner. >> fowler just to clean up the par. >> to get it to the 17th. so the first three-hole aggregate playoff not yet enough to decide it. sergio will exit and fowler and kisner will head back to 17 for a sudden death meeting there. if it's not settled there they will go to 18 with a sudden death still in effect. garcia is the first player to lose two aggregate playoffs on the pga tour. remember back at the 2007 british open at carnusti. >> you had a big old smile on your face after that putt. what do you take away from today? >> i think it was a solid week, mark. i think the way i putted the first three days, i putted nicely. the way i putted the first three days to even have a chance was a big effort. i felt like i played nicely. obviously a couple shots here and there. all in all i hit a nice putt on 18. i thought it was going to break a little bit more. another great week at the players. i can't complain. >> you have a stretch of very important golf tournaments coming up ahead of you. will this propel you to start playing well the rest of the summer? >> i don't know. i hope so. obviously it's been a little bit of a funny year for me so far. i saw a lot of good things this week positive things and hopefully i can take a lot of those things into the rest of the season. >> congratulations on another great show at the stadium course. >> thank you. >> dan? >> thank you, mark. >> indeed another good week for sergio garcia who comes up short. we head back to the island green with fowler and kisner. we're going to show you how they played the 17th in the three-hole aggregate. this is where the birdies came for kisner and fowler which eventually got them back to this hole in just a couple minutes. >> kisner hit a full wedge in there, i think it is. it's just perfect for him. then rickie fowler. the gap wedge. >> so garcia missed his lengthy birdie try, kisner stepped up there and read it perfectly, speed, break, right on the money. >> that broke about 14 inches to the right. and this putt here was well read pretty straight. maybe right edge. and when that fell fowler had birdied four of the five times in his trips through that island green at 17 gary. you can't go home yet. >> not yet. and there are a lot of fans that haven't left either. >> well they got up to the tee pretty fast gary. >> well this is where the -- sudden death right back here at 17. we talked about how garcia beat paul goidas. >> they both birdie the hole twice today in regulation and in the aggregate playoff. so i would expect nothing different. i'm sure they will go right at it again. >> well if there's a hiccup it will be interesting to see who does it. roger would be you have to be impressed how both men have played this hole. >> ah, yes. and the conditions are just exactly what they were when they played it last. so i'm sure this is a gap wedge. and the same thoughts in his mind as he just had 20 minutes ago or so. oh it just carries the bunker and takes that big kick forward. similar to what we saw with ben martin in regulation. >> with another look from above at this one. >> it plays a little longer with the sun going down. >> temperatures are a little lower than it was earlier in the day as well. >> this is right at the hole. oh no, no, no. they are going crazy. >> another look from above at this one. never a doubt. going right at it the whole way. just right of the hole. >> and here's the pro tracer of the trajectory. you think the fans are cheering for rickie fowler? >> look at this. fowler's two shots less than five feet from the hole 4 feet 8 inches. >> we've spent so much time during the years talking about heart break on this par 3 17th how it's ruin time and time again so many chances of winning this players championship. rickie fowler has owned this hole. he's in line for what would be his fifth birdie in six trips to the island green at 17 this week. >> with the finish he put on in regulation if he were to make this it would be 8 under par for his last ten holes played. >> i know one thing, rog, the fans that have stayed they have seen quite the show. i'm not sure roger can hear me down there amongst the people. they're making so much noise. >> this is great. >> what a sight. kisner is showing a lot of moxy i'll tell you that. he has a putt i don't think he's ever hit in his life going on down there. >> you have an idea when you play your practice rounds where the hole locations will be especially if you paid attention through the years. i'm not sure you practiced one from behind and right of the hole. >> we just got this report rickie's mom just got a report that his mom and sister were checking in at the jacksonville airport for their san diego flight western one of rickie's college coaches texted them and told them about this incredible late-round charge. they checked their bags and watched and after rickie birdied 17 they decided forget it they abandoned their flight and bags got a courtesy car from the tournament. drove back here to tpc sawgrass and are here somewhere on the property. i don't know if they are watching this in person but they are watching this happen right now with rickie with a chance to win here. >> okay. kisner putt is first. rog, we have about 12 1/2 feet or something like that. >> it's got to move to his left. >> it's not the same putt he's had the last couple of times. so a different look for him. >> this one will move a pretty good bit. if not struck solidly it can duck left under the hole. >> rickie fowler is going to have a chance. to win it all. >> and there is his mom, lynne. there is his girlfriend alexis randolph rickie's sister also here. 4 feet 8 inches away. from a players championship title. >> and that does it for rickie fowler. rickie fowler owns the island green and the 2015 players championship. five twos in six trips around it. so often a dream crusher, fowler absolutely delivers down the stretch of holes at tpc sawgrass like we have never seen before. on this mother's day. the hug coming from the fowler camp. sister taylor fowler. overrated? think again. and happy mother's day. do you think it was worth turning the car around and coming back out? let's go down to steve sands. >> with the champion 2015 of the players, rickie fowler you were down there on the back nine. how were you able to turn it around so quickly and get into that playoff. >> like i told you earlier, i had to wait to push that button. the 9 iron and the putt on 13 was big. to make 4 on 12 gave me momentum to move forward. we took advantage of that and big afternoon. >> you win it on perhaps the most famous hole in golf which you played so beautifully all week long. thousand were you able to handle the pressure in the three-hole aggregate and then the extra hole? >> i felt good all week. my game felt good. i struggled a little bit the last two days with fairways and greens. i had confidence coming off of last week. pretty fun. this is special. >> what were you thinking when you were standing on the 17th tee this last time? >> i knew kisner was going to hit a great shot. he made a great shot in there. he's been swinging it great. he hit a good shot. he had a tough break when it landed on the downslope and kicked forward. i knew he was going to have a chance of making that putt. i had to take advantage of my opportunity there. >> as popular as a figure you are, not just in golf but in sports you've had detractors lately saying that it's about time you step up and win a big one. what does this say to those people? >> this is a pretty big one. i'm happy about the week. this is one to look back on for sure. >> congratulations on the win, rickie. >> thanks steve. >> back upstairs to you. >> rickie fowler saves his best this week for the biggest stage on this course and one of the biggest in all the world. he goes 8 under in the last ten holes he played today. back with more and the champion rickie fowler in a moment. it's one of the greatest sum is you can climb in this game to get that crystal signifying you as the players champion. so many greats hall of famers through the years have been able to enjoy this moment. in the players championship. and rickie fowler will have that chance momentarily. coming up over on the golf channel where you will see the entire trophy presentation. for rickie fowler the winner of the 42nd players. reminder coming up next week on tour in the world of golf it goes back to charlotte, north carolina where he won the wells fargo in a playoff, the champions tour in alabama, web.com tours and the latino america tour as well. a busy week on the pga tour. how in the world do you sum up this week? >> simply the best players champion we've ever seen. >> no doubt about it. one for the ages as they say. rickie fowler playing 8 under par the last ten holes he played. it was amazing. it was meant to be almost it seemed like to me. kisner was tough and, of course you know, sergio was really right in there, too. it seemed like it was fowler's championship didn't it? the way he finished, it seemed like he deserved to win it. >> his mom and sister came back from the airport. come on he has to come through for them. hear more about that on golf channel as well how all that unfolded. there's rickie going out with his girlfriend alexis for the upcoming trophy presentation. 600 fedex cup points and rickie zooms into the top ten. how about that top ten right now? jordan spieth still leading the way and the other stars who have accumulated the most points to get into that top ten standing. the trophy presentation on golf channel as soon as we go off the air here. tune in to nbcsn to watch game six of the rangers and the capitals tonight. next up on the golf channel, senior pga championship coverage begins may 21st. coming up next an all new "dateline." dan hicks saying so long for an incredible players. that house has this story to tell. there are plenty of twists to come. "dateline" mystery already in progress. >> kathy carpenter. >> she said she was nancy's friend but investigators revealed a different story. >> their relationship had been a roller coaster so we knew there had been this cycle of the ladies having a good relationship and the things would go south and we would have a bad relationship for a period of time. >> so with all that in mind, deputy d.a. andrea brian went back to that historical phone call from kathy to 911. >> reporter: what did you make of it? >> you know, i think bizarre is the only way i can characterize that 911 call. immediately identifying suspects, it was -- it was not getting help for nancy pfister, it was, "oh, you should be looking at these two people, immediately." so that was interesting. >> reporter: so it was. and just as interesting? what kathy told 911 about seeing nancy pfister's body. >> the fact that immediately the deceased is identified as nancy pfister would have been impossible to do. >> reporter: impossible, said investigator lisa miller, because nancy's body was completely covered, head to toe, when kathy saw it in the closet. >> she's dead, she's full of blood!" >> we're looking at photos of the crime scene and we knew there's no way she saw what she said she saw. >> reporter: there was more. kathy, of course, had keys to nancy's house including a key to the closet was the last person to admit seeing nancy alive. and when she left pinned up that "do not disturb" sign on nancy's door supposedly because her friend needed to get over her jet lag. >> she ended up making a statement to another individual that nancy would be sleeping and resting for the next three days. >> reporter: and it was three days later the body was found? >> correct. >> reporter: and the day that closet key magically appeared so close to the styler's motel room kathy carpenter was known to be in the very same neighborhood right around that time meeting with her therapist. so, next question, was kathy carpenter truly nancy's friend and helper? or her murderer trying to pin the blame on someone else? >> what did you see -- >> the interrogation. probing questions, puzzling actions. >> there was no tears during the time that she was trying to portray herself as crying. yoplait. smooth, creamy, and craved by the whole family. you have such a wonderful aura. of all the things that happen on your counters... dad? namaste. disinfecting should be one of them. clorox disinfecting wipes. we need snacks in here. do you have any? pretzels, granola bars energy bars, trail mix... nuts? cashews, pistachios, pecans, walnuts, almonds... cost a lot? peanuts. 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"how much hair did you see?" i would ask miss carpenter. >> it seemed like maybe something -- >> so -- >> she had highlights. >> so how many strands would you say that you saw? so would it be like -- was it matted with blood? or just a little blood? >> i just remember the hair. >> if you've seen the crime scene photographs of how that body was found and that -- that body was in the closet, she did not see that. >> reporter: the more kathy talked -- >> how much blood did you see? how much blood would you say you saw? >> i saw her hair on the head. >> ok. >> i just remember on the head. >> reporter: the more suspicious the investigators became. >> she's describing, in the interviews, how where the injuries were to the forehead. i went and i reviewed the autopsy photos. and she was exactly, spot on to where she indicated the injury to the forehead. >> reporter: but it wasn't just kathy's words, said investigator miller, looked to her like kathy's grief was more act than real. >> i don't remember -- >> oh, yeah, for the tears? >> reporter: and a bad act at that. >> there were no tears during the time that she was trying to portray herself as crying. >> reporter: some people cry without tears, surely? >> oh, i'm sure some people do. >> reporter: what can you tell from a thing like that? >> it's just always interesting when, you know, someone is going to such lengths to act like they're emotionally distraught and the body doesn't respond. >> reporter: and then she discovered what kathy did the day after she said she found nancy's body. she went to the bank, where nancy had trusted kathy with access to her safety deposit box. and kathy took from that box the styler's last rent payment, 6 thousand dollars in cash and an heirloom ring nancy had inherited from her mother. >> within 24 hours, or actually it was a little less than 24 hours, of her friend being found by her, she's going into that safety deposit box, taking $6,000 and jewelry from it. >> reporter: so investigators now had an idea fast gathering strength. that kathy carpenter was far more involved than she claimed to have been. >> she just made some very detailed descriptions of that body that she couldn't have made unless she had seen her before she was put in that closet, meaning right after she was actually murdered. >> reporter: did she provide a rational explanation for the reason for being able to do that? >> no. >> reporter: they brought kathy back again and again for questioning. five days, almost 20 hours of questioning. during one interrogation detectives read back the transcript of the 911 call. >> you talked about, "my friend in the closet is dead." your impossible that you knew that she was dead. impossible. >> reporter: threw her owns words at her. the blood she reported seeing. >> in the dispatch you said blood on the forehead. >> reporter: and how she so quickly accused the stylers. she had some people living there and told her, they just knew she was lying. >> i believe that you know what happened and i am going to be able to prove that because that's my job. >> reporter: and kathy carpenter, like trey styler, submitted to a polygraph test. but if he failed his -- >> kathy carpenter failed hers worse. >> you absolutely bombed the polygraph. not only that, on the 911, on the 911, right here, here's all this documentation, of deceit and guilt. >> reporter: so for detectives only question left was. did kathy carpenter kill nancy and try to frame the stylers or were they all in it together? >> i don't know what they're saying. they're liars. >> reporter: another look at the evidence. and another turn in the case. >> this has been one of the more frightening experiences of my career. or chronic constipation. linzess is thought to help calm pain-sensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. linzess helps you proactively manage your symptoms. do not give linzess to children under 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. it may harm them. don't take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it's severe stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include, gas, stomach-area pain and swelling. bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. ♪ ♪ ♪ chase freedom. the card is for the essentials. the cash back is for the fun. chase. so you can. are you sending your kids to school with an allergy medicine that may make them drowsy? only children's claritin provides non-drowsy 24 hour allergy relief and it's the number one pediatrician recommended non-drowsy brand. in class and out, your kids can live claritin clear. 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>> i just remember opening the door. >> okay. >> she was covered. >> reporter: she was alone with them. she could have asked for an attorney. she did not. she told the detectives she didn't need a lawyer, because she was innocent. but, as kathy went on and on, those detectives became more and more sure she killed her friend nancy, or helped, at least. >> so right now i'm telling you, everything is crashing down on you. every -- i kid you not, it's absolutely coming down. >> reporter: the question now was kathy trying to frame the stylers? at first blush it certainly looked that way. and yet the more they thought about it the more unlikely it seemed. why? well, the trash bag containing so much incriminating evidence for example. the one the diligent city worker just happened to stumble on. >> i really think that this was actually pure luck. i don't think anyone wanted that to be found, i think really the -- the simple explanation here is -- is really the right explanation, which is that we had a great break in the case and, you know, thank goodness for that. >> reporter: the only conspiracy theory assistant d.a. andrea bryan was buying was one that involved the stylers and kathy carpenter, all of them together committing the murder. the two women perhaps bonding over their shared frustration with nancy pfister's behaviors. >> it appears that they, um, almost built, at times, a bit of a friendship around that mutual anger toward nancy pfister. >> reporter: and trey, pushed to his financial and emotional limits, was most likely the one to wield the hammer. reasoned the assistant d.a., while the women helped hide the body and clean up the bedroom. but, if that theory was right, something went wrong after the murder the conspiracy did not hold. >> when kathy carpenter realized the gravity of what she had gotten herself into she got worried and worried that she would be fingered. >> reporter: so kathy struck first, the d.a.'s theory went, called 911 and fingered the stylers' to deflect attention from herself. in the interrogation room, investigators had tried to get trey to turn on his wife or kathy. >> nancy your wife, do you want her to be involved in this? 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>> i just basically wanted to celebrate her life and her um spirit of adventure. >> reporter: billy clayton got up too, said what was in his heart. >> i said that if you've known me over the last 40 years or so, you know me because of nancy. when you see me, you think of nancy. she was a connector. that was her real, main role, i think, in everyone's life. >> reporter: and when you looked down there in that crowd, how were they reacting? >> a lot of tears. a lot of laughter. certain stories. and they were all just solidly there in that space at that moment. >> reporter: but at that very same moment, in a far different space just down the street from the fine old hotel jerome kathy carpenter wept in her cell at the pitken county jail, and listened. >> i could hear the music, the band. and um -- i just, i cried. i cried a lot. i wanted to be there. i should have been there. and um it hurt. >> reporter: how could they think she had anything to do with it? there was some suggestion that you had a motive to harm nancy. >> absolutely not. what was my motive? there is no motive. >> reporter: a shared frustration with nancy styler about how difficult. >> oh, heavens no. >> no. not at all. >> reporter: nancy was her best friend she said. >> i loved her. she was -- i loved nancy pfister. >> reporter: that's why she sat through all those hours of interrogation without a lawyer, she said. she wanted to help them understand the truth. like, for example, how it wasn't at all suspicious that she knew right away it was nancy in that closet. >> you know the odor just about knocked me over. and to me, it was very apparent that that wasn't just a pile of clothes in the closet. who else but nancy would be in that closet? >> reporter: you weren't a complete idiot. you understood- - that was -- had to be nancy. >> right, who else would it be? >> reporter: and when she so quickly fingered the stylers, she said, it was just common sense. >> they were in the house. >> reporter: you knew that they were pretty mad at nancy? >> they were mad they were upset with her. >> reporter: but what about those suspicious little details like saying she saw blood on nancy's forehead when nancy's forehead was completely covered up? >> in the dispatch you said blood on the forehead. >> reporter: that's easy to explain, said kathy, she never actually said that. >> they said that i saw her forehead. >> reporter: yes. >> i did not see her forehead. i saw blood on the headboard. >> reporter: headboard? in fact, crime scene techs did find blood on nancy pfister's headboard, but headboard is not the word that appears in the typed transcript of the 911 call. >> and on page three of that transcript it says, "i saw blood on her forehead." >> reporter: kathy's attorney, greg greer. >> i go home and listen to the tape, and i hear headboard. and so i go back and listen again, and i hear headboard again. but i listen to it, i bet, ten times by myself before i told anybody else. >> god i don't know, i saw blood on the headboard. >> reporter: sure enough, kathy, in that 911 call, did actually say headboard not forehead. >> i saw blood on her headboard and i, the closet was locked. >> reporter: a transcription error. and though investigators said that made no real difference to them, kathy's attorney is sure that little error planted suspicion of kathy from the very beginning and started investigators off in an inaccurate, and inappropriate, direction. >> they used every technique in the book on her. and honestly, as i watched those interrogations, i started thinking i might've confessed to doing something just to make it stop. >> here's all this documentation of deceit and guilt. >> reporter: and they told you, you did it. >> yes. >> reporter: repeatedly? >> yes. >> reporter: and each time, what would you say? >> i did not do it. >> reporter: and even though it appears from the interrogation tapes that kathy did say some improbable things. >> i saw her, the head. like i don't remember the position but i knew her, the blonde hair. >> reporter: she was on doctor-prescribed anxiety medication the whole time she said. so in her confused fog, and prompted by the investigators, said kathy, her descriptions were unclear she may even have imagined things she could not have seen. >> reporter: is it possible that you were led into saying something like that? >> absolutely. um, absolutely. you know she was in a plastic bag, and i saw just what -- through the transparency of the bag, i saw a little bit of her hair. >> reporter: so why'd she fail the polygraph? >> i was very upset. i was very emotional. and they did tell me that in order for me to take this test properly, i could not feel any emotions. >> reporter: mm-hmm, mm-hmm. >> and that, just hearing the words, just hearing her name was very emotional. >> reporter: but it was true, she said, no denying it, she did take 6,000 in cash and an heirloom ring from nancy pfister's safe deposit box the day after she found the body. but it wasn't for her, she said. rather, it was to fulfill a promise to nancy. >> and she often would say, you know, if anything happens to me in my travels, you know, make sure you do this, can you do that? make sure you -- you know, my little to-do list. >> reporter: and on the to-do list, that ring. >> she inherited a family ring from her mother. and her sisters wanted it. and she had asked me -- you make sure that juliana -- if anything would happen to me, that she would get this ring. that was my intention, was to fulfill her wish. >> reporter: to give it to juliana. >> to give it to juliana. >> reporter: just as she had every intention of giving the money directly to juliana too so it wouldn't disappear into some disputed family trust. but then, she said, the investigators used everything she said and did against her. >> i just thought, "no, this is not happening. the -- how can they -- be so wrong. i had, i have, nothing to do with this. she was my dear friend. i loved her." >> reporter: kathy's attorney told her, don't worry, the case won't hold up in court. but even if he was right, the trial might be years away. and so she did all that was left to her. >> and i started praying, praying that the truth would be revealed. that's what i wanted, is the truth to be revealed. >> reporter: and then, suddenly, it appeared that it was. truth, that is. but would anyone believe it? 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>> i got a phone call from my assistant district attorney one afternoon. >> saying? >> saying that he had spoken with a defense attorney, specifically william styler's defense attorney, and that william styler wanted to make a statement. >> reporter: now that could be interesting. the good doctor was wheeled into the interview room, where lisa miller was waiting. >> mr. styler, i'm going to have you right here sir. >> okay. >> reporter: oh, but it was far more than just a "statement." trey styler dropped a bombshell. and it blew the da's meticulously assembled case wide open. >> i lost my mind here, or at least i lost my rational mind. >> reporter: it was a confession. after months of strenuous denials, trey styler told them. >> it all was me. >> reporter: detail by detail, trey took them through the killing how he slipped out of his motel room while his wife was sleeping and drove tonancy pfister's house, intending to confront her. >> i stuck my head in the door far enough to ascertain that she was in fact in bed and i called out her name again. >> uh-huh. >> and she didn't respond >> reporter: then, he said, as he stood over the still sleeping nancy pfister, all the rage that built up inside him during his dreadful physical and financial decline suddenly focused on a singular idea. there she was, vulnerable, helpless. >> reporter: and so he went down the stairs, got a hammer, climbed back up to the bedroom. >> i went, got the hammer, came back, um, and struck her in the head with the hammer. >> reporter: then, strengthened by a rush of adrenaline, he single-handedly wrapped nancy pfister up, dragged her into the closet, covered her up. >> i wasn't as strong as i used to be. um -- nonetheless i was able to do that. >> reporter: he then grabbed some of nancy's belongings to make it look like she was gone. >> he was very clear about what he did, how he did it, and when he did it. in -- in very specific detail. >> and so you do what? >> i hit her with the hammer. >> where? in the head. where? >> in, in, in, in what was, when she was in that position, the top of her head. uh -- which would have, if you don't mind. >> i do mind you touching me, quite frankly. >> this. >> reporter: as for his wife or kathy carpenter -- >> neither one of them were involved in any way. >> reporter: and until this moment, he insisted, he hadn't told either one of them a single thing about what he did. >> he not only limited his wife's participation in that statement, he said she wasn't involved at all and that kathy carpenter wasn't involved at all. that he did the whole thing himself. that he had a burst of energy and he was able to do all of those things on his own. you have a skeptical look on your face? >> that's what he told me, yes. >> what did you think? >> reporter: having heard that, investigator miller told dr. styler exactly what she thought. >> i don't want you to walk out of here thinking that i have believed you hook, line and sinker. 'cause i will be very frank. remember, i told you i call it like i see it. i don't buy everything that you're selling me today. okay? >> ok. >> reporter: by this time, investigator miller was convinced all three were in it together. she looked straight at trey styler and confronted him. he was a frail old man. surely he didn't expect she'd believe he did it all alone. >> and you tell me you can't stand up. however, you are giving me an accounting of a story where you were saying you were up and down stairs multiple times. moving dead weight is not easy work, mr. styler. >> when i've thought about it since then, um, i'm reminded of the stories um, of women lifting cars off of their children. >> mr. styler, i will do a lot of things in an interview room, but i am not going to compare a mother saving a child with you murdering nancy pfister, so let's don't go there. >> reporter: but trey remained resolute. he was the lone killer. >> the -- the essential truths are that kathy carpenter really and truly had nothing to do with this. nancy styler really and truly had nothing to do with this. i have done my best to hide it from even myself, much less them and uh -- you know -- it all was me. >> how concerned are you that he decided, that he was going down anyway, he might as well get them off the hook and that's really what was going on here? 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are you comfortable that that is the whole thing? >> i don't know if we'll ever know the whole thing. >> reporter: around the pitkin county da's office was a nagging worry. dr. trey styler demanded, and the da approved, a quid pro-quo. his full confession in exchange for his wife's unconditional release. >> and i have in good faith fulfilled my part of the bargain. >> reporter: but what if he was lying, how would they ever prove it? >> we had no facts to refute his, his statement to me. we weren't in that room that night that nancy pfister was murdered so we had no facts to refute what william styler was saying. >> reporter: so you're saying to me that kathy carpenter and nancy styler are both innocent? neither one participated in this crime? >> william styler said that. i'm not saying that. >> reporter: but in spite investigator miller's doubts on june seventeenth 2014 after three and a half months in jail nancy styler was released. >> and my attorney, beth, was there. and she said, "good news. you're getting out." and i said, "great. you know, they figured it out." and then she said, "but there's a catch." >> reporter: she gave nancy a letter. it was a private note from trey. >> and in this letter, he tells me about the plea bargain that he took. and one of the sentences that i've read a million times over said "i know you're innocent. and you should believe i am, too." >> reporter: trey wrote that was only pleading guilty to save her. he didn't actually kill nancy pfister he wrote. he was falling on his sword for love. >> i cried that whole day, even though i was getting out. it should've been a, a great time. i can't believe he's having to do this. this system is sick. it's, you know, messed up. >> reporter: three days later, june twentieth, dr. trey styler formally pleaded guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to twenty years in prison. considering his health and age it was almost certainly was a life sentence. that same day the da dropped charges against kathy carpenter and she walked out jail. a free woman. >> i was very grateful, very thankful. and i felt god answered my prayers. and um but at the same time, it was still scary. i'm leaving jail after being locked up. what will people think? how will i be judged? >> reporter: she is grateful, scared, also sad. >> but there was sorrow for still thinking of the loss of nancy. and that he did something like this, that he did it, you know, that was still hurtful. >> reporter: but nancy styler added a bitter anger to her whirlwind of grief and relief. if trey was innocent, as he told his wife he was, then had the real killer just walked free? >> i had kathy carpenter pegged in my own little courtroom. and every little piece of evidence that was given to me corroborated that. >> reporter: and then it was just over two weeks later nancy took a call. trey had something to tell her. his letter wasn't quite true he said. in fact he and he alone murdered nancy pfister. kathy carpenter had nothing to do with it. >> it was, took my world and just flipped it upside down, felt like my whole life had been a lie. you know, my whole life with him had been a lie. >> reporter: she is trying to rebuild life now. has moved back to the east coast where she grew up and reclaimed her maiden name. filing for divorce from trey after 32 years of marriage. >> reporter: do you love him at all anymore? >> i love him. i love him, i love the man that was. i don't love this monster. >> reporter: it was then that nancy styler's attorney beth krulewitch had to admit that she ahd been completley wrong to think kathy carpenter was involved in the murder and set up the stylers. >> had trey styler not confessed, i think there's a very decent chance that kathy carpenter could have ended up convicted, and what a tragedy that would have been. >> reporter: or could still be for kathy, at least. is kathy carpenter completely off the hook? is there ever a possibility that she could face charges? >> there is still an investigation going. so, no, miss carpenter, at this point is, is not completely off the hook. >> reporter: and still i think they're a little suspicious of you, you know? >> i've heard that there's still some questions in people's minds. >> reporter: she knows, all too personally, what it's like to lose the trust of her community. she has also lost her job, her home. and she's lost her very best friend she said. and she told us she feels guilty. >> that's why i say i wish that i could have helped, her and have been there to help. what could i have done differently? talked her into staying there not coming home. >> reporter: nobody can know the future. >> right. but i do blame myself. you know, that's something that i'll have to work through, but -- whom nancy has not spoken since whom catty has not spoken since all this happened is nancy pfister's daughter juliana. what would you want to say to juliana? >> that i just hope that she knows the truth. i had nothing to do with the murder of her mother. i was, never would steal and i just i was looking out for her and her mother's wishes. and that um i just hope that she would find forgiveness in her heart and know that i love her and her mother very much. >> reporter: what does she have to forgive you for? >> i don't know. nothing really. but there's just, you know, what she's had to go through, and i don't know why i would even say forgive, but -- >> reporter: it's curious huh? >> yeah. >> it's just i've been portrayed as this thief, this bad person, untrusting and i don't know why. >> reporter: trust, somethng nancy pfister was known for. not so much of it these days. >> aspen will never be the same. my life will never be the same. >> reporter: so what has aspen lost? >> a lot of history, you know? nancy was part of aspen's history. it's a huge loss for the community. >> reporter: some members of which be telling stories about nancy pfister for a very long time. >> nancy lived a fantastic life. and i think we all need a little more dreaming like that, you know, a little, little more. >> reporter: little more nancy in us. >> little more nancy in us, yeah. . there will be no mercy! [ screaming ] joseph: my sister's only child hanging from a cross! joseph... we need this to end! caiaphas: we must govern ourselves so that we are never again subjected to roman justice. you did nothing of any worth whatsoever. man: make way for king antipas. your position is reliant on my endorsement. john, i'm poor and sick in my soul. i'm glad to give you this land. barnabas, it's perfect. god has a purpose for each of us. i'm meant to preach. be patient, stephen. the time will come. and didn't jesus say "i will rebuild this temple in three days" before he rose from the death you condemned him to? silence him. shut him up. lord jesus receive my spirit.

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