good morning. as we come on the air, isis has now claimed that the massacre in california this week, the deadliest terrorist attack here soldiers of its caliphate. the nation tonight from the oval with the latest on the investigation. and what he'll do to defeat isis and keep america safe. this morning, exclusive interviews with hillary clinton and jeb bush. correspondent pierre thomas starts us off. >> reporter: the fbi investigation involving hundreds of agents is at full tilt, as the law enforcement and intelligence community wrestles deadly homegrown terror threat is growing. the moment, urgent. the president of the united states huddled with his national security team in the wake of san bernardino attack. a growing concern after we killer couple swore allegiance to the leader of isis. isis seizing the moment, calling the killers supporters. >> isil and other terrorist groups are actively encouraging people around the world and in our country to commit terrible act of violence. >> reporter: this morning the race is on to find out more about the plot. the fbi continues to try to exploit phones and computers left behind by the suspects, even though they took efforts to try to destroy evidence. family, friends and associates being interviewed, with the investigation international, as the fbi focuses on trips abroad, including to saudi arabia and pakistan. >> so far, we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized, larger group. or form part of a cell. >> reporter: but if this couple was truly inspired by isis, it marks a dangerous evolution in about isis' unprecedented social media campaign, urging potential followers here in u.s. to attack. isis-inspired attack narrowly adverted in may when two men armed with rifles targeted a cartoon conference about the prophet mohammad. in the last two years, the fbi has identified or arrested nearly 90 suspected isis supporters here at home, at least 20 teenagers, 13 females, 15 of those arrested, accused of trying to launch murderous plots inside the u.s., and now possibly this couple who left behind a 6-month-old baby, to go on a killing rampage. george, it's not lost on anyone that the u.s. government got caught offguard that it had no warning that a suburban couple had such lethal intentions. the isis social media has targeted a young audience of troubled people who are buying in, a lethal new dynamic that we understand. >> more from the president tonight. more on that from secretary clinton. reminder for everyone watching, i worked for president clinton, made charitable contributions in the past to the clinton foundation. welcome back. >> thanks, george. >> time to declare war on isis? >> look, we're definitely in conflict with isis, and i think we need a new update of military authorization, the aumf, which was passed after the attack after 9/11. >> why not declare war? >> well, declare war is a very legal term as you know so well. i think what we want to do is make sure we have every tool at our disposable to, number one, destroy their would-be caliphate in iraq and syria. number two, do everything we can to dismantle this jihadist network that they're using on the internet. number three, do whatever necessary to protect us at home. in the declaration in war? >> i think the legal experts say -- there are a lot who say we already have the authority we need to go after isis or any international terrorist network, including al qaeda or anyone else in the aumf. but i think it's important for congress to vote on behalf of the american people and to make sure we're updating it to take into account the new authorities at risk. >> you have been reluctant to say we're fighting radical islam, isn't it a mistake to not say it plain? >> well, that's a different thing, radical elements who use a dangerous and distorted view jihadist ambitions, i'm fine with that. i say it all the time. i go after islamists too. >> what's the problem with radical islam? >> the problem is, that sounds like we're declaring a war against religion. that's number one, wrong. you studied it. there are radicals in every religion in the world. i don't want to do that, because, number one, it doesn't do justice to the vast numbers of muslims in our own country and around the world who are peaceful people. number two, it helps to create this clash of civilizations that is actually a recruiting tool for isis and other radical jihadists who use this as a way of saying, we're in a war against the west, you must join us. if you're a muslim, you must join us. no, if you're a law-abiding, peace-loving muslim, you need to be with us against those who are distorting islam. >> can you say today that we're winning the fight against isis? >> i can say today, we have a new set of threats. when you go back and look at al planning out to additional attacks if they possibly could, they did in madrid. we have dealt with that threat, it doesn't go away. we have dealt with it. now, we have to turn our attention to the very sophisticated propagation this new threat from isis. we're not winning, but it's too soon to say that we are doing everything we need to do. i are -- i have outlined very clearly -- we have to fight them in the air, we have to fight them on the ground and we have to fight them on the internet and we have to do everything we can with our friends and partners around the world to protect ourself. tonight, we'll hear from the president an intensification of the existing strategy. there are additional steps we have to take. if you look at the story about this woman and maybe the man, too, who got radicalized, self-radicalized, we're going to need help from facebook and from cannot permit the recruitment and the actual direction of attacks or the celebration of violence by this sophisticated internet user. they're going to have to help us take down these announcements and these appeals as quickly as they get up. >> how about apple? no more encryption? >> i have to believe that the best minds in the private sector and the public sector could come together to help us deal with this evolving threat. and, you know, i know what the argument is from our friends in the industry, i respect that, nobody wants to be feeling like their privacy is invaded. but i also know what the argument is from the other side from law enforcement and security officials. so, please, let's get together and try to figure out the best way forward. >> some say we have to do more overseas as well. ted cruz said we have to you know, he's never had any responsibility for trying to figure out who the bad guys are and who innocent civilians are. clearly, we have to have a much more robust air campaign against isis targets, against the oil leadership. i think you'll hear that from the president. and part of what i have been arguing for quite some time is, we've got to do a better job of getting back the sunnis on the ground, along with the kurds who can be the fighters, who will actually take back territory with air cover and with targeted attacks on isis infrastructure, we'll still have to have people fighting. i do not believe those should be american combat troops. >> absolutely not, is that an absolute? >> i think it would make things worse not better. i think we have to up the special ops numbers. we need to take stock of what else we need. americans that we have on the ground in iraq, who are advising and enabling the iraqi military have to be given the flexibility and the support they need. we should perhaps ask some of our current and retired military officers who dealt with the sunnis in anbar and elsewhere, fighting force that they put into the fight against al qaeda in iraq. and that was one of my biggest complaints about malaki, because what he did, he not only destroy the military because of his sectarianism but also he went after those sunni leaders in anbar and we know from reporting some of them are supportive of isis. >> as you know, some of the republican rivals have criticized you for focusing on gun control after the san bernardino attacks. marco rubio points out that france has some the strictest didn't stop the paris attacks. california has some of the strictest gun control laws here, it didn't stop those attacks, either. what law would have stopped this? >> first of all, what happened in san bernardino was a terrorist attack. no one is arguing with that. and let's not forget, a week before, we had an american assault on planned parenthood and some weeks before that, we had an assault at a community college. so, i don't see these two as any way contradictory, we have to up our game against terrorists abroad and at home. and we have to take account of the fact that our gun laws and the easy access to those guns by people who shouldn't get them, mentally ill people, fugitives, felons, and congress refusing to prohibit people on the no-fly list from getting guns. sch include a lot of domestic and international terrorists. these are two parts of the same approach that i'm taking to make and, yes, the nra's position always is, you know, if you can't stop everything why try to stop anything. that's not the way law works. we have laws that are going to govern our speed limits on roads knowing that some people are going to violate, but we still have laws. we need to have comprehensive background checks. close the gun sale loophole and end the liability for gun sellers. >> and the critics of that vote, you look back at this list, they go back ten years, 2,000 people on the watch list did buy guns. none of them have committed a crime. >> we have a list, if you are on that list and you believe that you should not be on that list, we have a process to actually raise your objection about being on that list. that you belong on that list. >> some mistakes. >> of course, there are ways for people to raise their concerns about being on the list. and then to have a process that could even lead to a legal action to remove yourself from the list. but i, for one, i took the shuttle from new york. i'm a lot happier having a list that keeps people off planes, if there's any question about their intent or their potential behavior, so, i'm not -- i can't take anybody seriously who's going to begin chip away from the no-fly list. >> donald trump and jerry falwell said the answer is for more good people to have guns. your response. >> this is the kind of deplorable, not only hateful response to a legitimate security issue, but it is giving aid and comfort to isis and with respect to the gun issue it's legal to buy guns in america, if you are eligible to buy a gun you can go buy a gun. i just want people to understand some of the threats we now face, whether it's the guy in charleston who should never have been given a gun. but the universal background check was not fast enough, didn't find the fact that he was prohibited. went into the church and killed nine innocent people. we should be able 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take the lawyers off the war fighters' backs? >> the president has created directives from the white house that creates all sort of bureaucratic challenges for air strikes, up to 75% of the sorties that left the base came back without dropping their ordnances because there was such a concern about making sure there were not civilian casualties. this administration has imposed even greater challenges. >> so, would you go as far as ted cruz, carpet-bomb? >> no, that's -- we need a strategy. that's not a strategy. we need to have a strategy, we need to train the military. i found it interesting that secretary clinton was talking tribal leaders. the surge which she oppose created an instability. when the obama administration left iraq, she only went there once the void was filled by isis. and so, we have to create a full strategy, directly arming the kurds, which this administration refuses to do, a no-fly zone in syria, creating safe havens in syria so that the refugees don't feel compelled to leave. training and arming a local army that can destroy isis -- >> but governor bush, secretary clinton is for a no-fly list. she called for engaging again for the sunnis and kurds on the ground. and more intense air strikes. where are you different from her on the strategy? 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do you think they should be able to buy guns? >> ted kennedy and stephen hayes and cat stevens, this is not a the first impulse of hillary clinton and barack obama is to have gun control. the first impulse in my mind, let's have a strategy to take it isis out there so we don't have to deal with it here. >> harry reid pointed out this week, they pledge allegiance to isis in america can still buy guns, is that okay for you? >> i don't think it's appropriate. if we're tracking them, if someone's in our country and able to get guns, for sure. the no-fly list is a broader list. >> but, so you're saying, if the list were more refined then you would be -- >> yeah, i mean, if you're may be a terrorist, of course they shouldn't get guns. the fbi has that capability right now. >> but right now, according to allegiance to isis and that wouldn't be disqualifying. >> it should be. i think it is. if the fbi is tracking someone, they have the ability to look and see and notify when someone tries to purchase a gun. >> you also heard secretary clinton on the issue of spending, she said it made her laugh criticizing her, your proposals would increase the debt much more. >> that's wrong. the middle class has had a $2300 reduction in disposal income since the day barack obama was those policies of more spending and more taxes and more regulations will stifle the middle class. the proposals i lay out will promote higher growth. just by shifting medicaid back to the states and allowing it to grow in inflation, you would save hundreds of billion of dollars. that's what we need to do. you need to take power from washington, shift it back to family and states. allow to 21st century to these policies. >> your plans would increase the debt by over $1 trillion. >> the tax reform proposals that would increase income for americans is what the objective is, but we would control spending at a far greater rate than the trillion-dollar reduction. over ten years. it's not their money. this is the money of american people. if we want to stimulate high growth, we got to make sure that the middle class gets a pay 15 years. >> let's talk about your campaign. you're in fifth place in iowa, fifth place in the public polls. i want to go back to -- when you started out this campaign about a year ago, about how you wanted to run it, you said, i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's me or somebody else -- it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be -- is donald trump proving that statement wrong? >> donald trump is not going to get the nomination. i have enough confidence in the republican primary voters in these early states and beyond, i'll trust them to make that decision. i know for a fact that a conservative is not going to win unless they have a hopeful and optimistic message. so, i'm sticking to my guns on that. that's who i am. you need to be authentic when you run. i believe we're on the greatest time to be alive. but we have to fix these really big complex things that people are deeply and correctly d.c. >> it seems like donald trump is succeeding right now, at least, with the darker tone. >> he's succeeding right now, for sure. he's a gifted politician, but he's not a serious candidate. he's not offered anything serious as it relates to terrorism. but he's a gifted politician. he connects with people's angst and their anger. but over the long haul we need to have productive, constructive ideas to lift people up. >> you heard secretary clinton, he said he's succeeding because he's a reality tv star. >> he's just a gifted politician that's appealing to people's anger and frustration that's quite legitimate. listen, washington is broken. good news is, i have a proven record in tallahassee to disrupt the old order there. i can tell that story and i do it each and every day. and it's working. it's working. george, come on out with me. it's working. it will show at the time that it matters, which is february 1st in iowa and new hampshire beyond that. we're making good, steady progress. >> donald trump is also making some of your biggest supporters quite angry. mike fernandez, biggest single person to your super pac, he's taken out full-page ads right now, where he compares trump suggests that he's like mussolini and hitler. is that appropriate? >> no, i don't. i think people are going to see that donald trump isn't a serious candidate. his message of division is not what we need. we have had a president that's been a divider in chief. our side doesn't need to mimic that. >> mike fernandez went on to say, if trump gets the nomination, he'll support hillary clinton as lesser of two evils. you're committed to supporting donald trump if he's the republican nominee? >> i have pledge to support the republican nominee and donald republican nominee. >> so, walk us through of how you get from here to there. i know you're meeting with your donors in miami. you say your message is working out there on the stump. the super pac has already spent about $30 million on television. it hasn't moved the needle so far. what the strategy that gets you to victim going forward? >> outwork, outorganize in these early states, and make progress. at this time, in the previous elections the election wasn't decided, and it won't be decided until we start the process in february and go to march where a majority of states will have their primaries and caucuses. >> can you get to march if you don't win one of those first three? >> yeah. >> iowa, new hampshire, south carolina -- >> don't forget, nevada. >> nevada. >> yeah, i think i can. i'm going to do well in those. >> are you going to win? >> i'm going to work as hard as drawn to our message. we're hopeful and optimistic. >> you also suggested out on the stump you would pick a female for your vice presidential running mate. >> i didn't say that, but i do believe our team has the broadest bench of really talented women that are in office already, and the will be -- will be an exciting selection for a vice president will be -- will be an exciting one for whoever wins the nomination. >> governor, thank you for joining us. we have heard from the candidates. the powerhouse roundtable weighs in on this earth-shaking week. >> catch "this week" all week on abcnews.com, on facebook and on twitter. week on twitter. extraordinary scene this week, you see the news media there on live television going into the house of those killers in san bernardino, the day after -- lot of questions about that this week. so many things we haven't seen before we did see this week. let's talk about that with our roundtable right now. matthew dowd, jennifer granholm. georgetown professor and msnbc analyst, michael eric dyson and alex castellanos, founder of newrepublican.org. matthew, let me begin with you. paris. how much is this going to change the presidential campaign? san bernardino, even more. >> all of these incidences that we're seeing, part of the problem, a vast majority of the country don't feel safe, they gone feel safe at home and abroad. the facts don't seem to matter in relationship to the fear. both sides haven't addressed this in the right way. president obama have skipped right over people's fears, and says we have the solution and we're going to fix it. the republicans have only appealed to people's fears. you have to base whatever policy we're going to do based upon what the facts are and what's in >> what do you need to hear from president obama tonight? >> well, i think, actually, you know, secretary clinton laid out a bit of what we expect we'll control isis here and abroad and on the internet. she laid out a comprehensive my guess is, he'll be doing but to your point, the democrats she asked for congress to reauthorize the use of military force and to update it so they can attack. why haven't they done that? the president has called for them to do that. why hasn't congress given the president the tools to be able to attack isis? >> the president is going to throw more words at our problems and i think that's the concern that somehow he has gone distant from this country. he doesn't share our fears, he's become that cool, aloof obama, and we see the democratic party talking about terrorism -- well, let's pass gun control laws and it's really cause global warming and that distances that party from the fears that americans have, and it's a big fear. seams are coming apart. >> is there an empathy gap on this? >> not with president obama. what we're missing here, while that was going on, laquan mcdonald was going on, in colorado domestic terrorism, when you've got police represented of the state engaging our citizens, especially citizens of color, there's an incredible sense of fear. this joins in ways of our concerns about international and global terrorism which are real, along with domestic expressions. obama is not distant from that, he has balance the concerns of security and fear. he's also got to talk to the throwing the traditional republican, let's bomb the hell out of them when you have -- >> matthew dowd, one thing that donald trump points out is that the more he does that, the better he does. >> i think donald trump right now in today's day and age, when dominant characteristic that separates the winners on each side. hillary clinton on the democratic side and donald trump on the republican side is who is right now, people want the strongest candidate. even strong is wrong. >> what he is doing is so stoking fears, there's fear out there. but he's breathing oxygen like a dragon into that. he uses that fear to divide the country by groups and he uses it to create language that actually empowers our enemy. >> a great president once said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. so stoking those fierce may boost you up in the polls. it doesn't alleviate the pressures and the realities of terror -- >> but there's a sense in the country that washington's elite and the news media are all making themselves feel better and superior by we don't have to respond to brute, barbaric evil -- >> nobody is saying that. >> i think that's the message america is hearing. washington has grown distant. >> do you agree? do you agree with jeb bush that donald trump can't be the nominee? >> no. no, i don't. i think it's entirely possible that donald trump is the nominee. >> do you think it's likely? >> no, i think it's possible >> no, i think it's possible ted cruz wins iowa. the field is crowded and a crowded field by definition is going to take longer to reduce and you can see that cruz, trump dynamic. >> the amazing thing about the dynamics today is that both candidates on each side are leading in the polls. on each side, hillary clinton and donald trump, who are the most disliked, distrusted politicians to date, disconnected and the most polarizing candidates. they're leading their party nomination. if that's presented to the american public, there's going to be a response to that system >> i disagree. >> candidate of strength -- on the democratic side -- >> donald trump is going to win -- if the cnn poll this week is to be believed, donald trump is going to win the nomination, so, get ready for it. unless, wait a second, unless two things happen, one, the nontrump candidates can consolidate around one person and two, they start taking him down, it just can't be chris christie's super pac. or kasich's super pac. they've got to do -- their going to allow him to win. >> we're talking about a war between civilizations. let's talk about a war within this country. internal civil war, donald trump seems racist and biased against all others that aren't part of narrow white mainstream versus a diversity and the complex organization of different constituenies working together. >> what about this prospect that hillary clinton and her supporters created, a bidding war, the republicans are guaranteeing a goldwater-style election in 2016? >> if we end up getting like a ted cruz that would be true. but let me offer you an alternative here, marco rubio needs to be tested. barack obama was tested by reverend wright by an economic meltdown and we saw him grow and mature and he became president because he was tested. imagine what happens if a marco rubio, he needs to be attacked by jeb bush, he needs to stand in front of nuclear blast, he'll either melt down or gain superpowers. >> you think if he does that, he becomeses a superformidable candidate? >> if marco rubio becomes the republican nominee, he beats hillary clinton. because the american public the current administration. the question right now is, we keep talking about donald trump, he only is behind hillary clinton by 3 percentage points in a general election. i'm not saying that donald trump would win a general election, but the facts, his demonstration of what he's also on the democratic side. election. hillary clinton is not a dominant candidate that's going not to walk away with this nomination. >> she's a dominant candidate. >> how many don't trust donald trump? >> i'm just saying. >> you know, the republican side has said for the last two elections that american people stand against and the american people voted barack obama into office, clearly, that kind of polling doesn't really begin to get to the internal mechanism of fear and hatred -- >> what party today represents more people in the country today, which party holds the holds 30 governships -- >> thank you for gerrymeandering. the only thing that the democrats have right now is to win the presidency. if they were to lose the presidency -- >> now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. iraq. and before we go, a moment to remember bob clark, long before "this week" began, clark hosted our sunday morning broadcast "issues and answers," he was one of the first washington correspondents hired by abc news in dallas the day jfk died. bob clark died at 93. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. tune in tonight at 8:00 eastern for our live coverage of president obama's address and