Its so striking to me it bodes well for me and the commission moving forward there wasnt much of a divergence as to what they wanted to see that, to me, yeah it was safe there was much more divergence on what they wanted to see, which is great. That means were going to include everything in this process that is good to see. What i would say we do have all of these comments theres a lot of data to take in. So colleagues, the way this is processed as we discussed in july was designed is over the next couple of dais all of us are can read this. There are charact characteristics and attributes you have to summarized for us as you pointed out the commission made the commissionment to view every resume we will do that in closed session next week you have the data from the Community Officers it sounds like we will have supplemental additional surveys and the plan is for this week for commissioners to spend time with gary and review resumes that is, again, and confidential process and we will go into closed session not tomorrow. We will go into closed session next week. For the members of the public we will look resume by resume have a discussion of the persons background how it matches up versus the criteria and characterist characteristics and we as the commission will decide to interview and if with ke get that done in one session we may have to have 2, 2 that is the next step. Dr. Joe . I want to give compliments i want to thank fur the hard work you put into the process. You really have. I know you get paid but seeing you at the Community Meetings watching you grab the pen and pencil that is stuff you dont have to do. Me being a Community Person doing those things sometimes its crazy i wanted to complement you for doing that. Thank you very much. Thank you for all your hard work as well. I got a call on the way here i was told we were going to get binders and i hope that has changed and were going to have to review these amply indicatio at the Police Commission officers im out of town this week and next. That makes it hard to review it next evening. I dont agree with that process i dont want to be compelled to sit on third street through the night to get it done. I dont know who made the decision to switch it. I thought we would get binders. We have done this process before. This is the personal process this is the done the same way commissioner mazzucco, the binders were kept you had to schedule a time to go there. So its not. The way i remember it is we set a time and we all met and went through it together when we met i had my own binder i made notes on the binder i was confused who changed this and things have changed now i dont think i should have to be compelled to sit down there at night i think we should take about the schedule and how we do it. The wind binders with the Police Commission office we came back here in closed session and i remember my binder is marked up. With ratings and we went through them we had them here we did the first coal through. We ran through would this person be willing to interview . And we did the process again over there. We never had the binder withes us. Dr. Marshall. We had one session downstairs in one of the rooms we had the binders with us and rooms set aside. We did lieutenant talbi bought the binders and notice to the meeting we did have. Those were the three names we sent to the mayor. That is our third or 4th vote if im not mistaken. We have a special meeting in a special room. Notice to the public. At this point in time we had our binders that is when we made the determination we limited a significant number of the applicants after that point after several renters that is the three names we will refer to the mayor. If i hear correctly, what you did is everybody had a binder, but you never took it away from the office. No. We dont have an office here. The way were phrasing it. It was brought to us at each location. Right. [multiple speakers]. We can work it out. I think again, things can get muttaled especially after these meetings when we reflect on what happened. I wanted to do my best to make this crystal leer can you work with commissioner dejesus the issue is getting the binder to her we all need sufficient time. Scheduling is the issue because we have a Police Commission in the Public Safety building that is the place with parking and thicks like th things like that. We l do work understanding the issue is given its confidential information thats how its going to be handled. The weekend will work better for me i will not say five hours every night during the workweek after going all day to stockton and back. That may be the best time for me to do it. Okay. [multiple speakers]. Okay. Any questions from the Commission Commissioners before we have Public Comment on this matter . Okay. Thank you very much. With the information you gave on the demographics. That is not on the press release. Do you have that . What i propose we do is put that together and issue, and have the Commission Release that tomorrow im sorry okay. Yeah. [speaking off the mic] lets get that out to people can be made aware assuming that not everybody watches us on wednesday night. Okay Public Comment. Patricia education i have seen people that have absolutely no comments with the public. I have met people who have education that do have public input. We cant say yes or no. We have to look at the whole picture of the person their experience how they handled the job. Possibly, people from the towns theyre from. But common sense and dealing with the public and street sense is an extremely important thing as well as being a boss. I have been a boss of 28 crews at times. Vi worked with construction people. Transamerica was part of my job a as a child i think you really have to consider common sense and can you handle the people that work for you and can you handle the public . This is a very, very very important issue. I have heard the conversations about education versus noneducation i cant judge someone on that status because you have to know the person themselves to find out if theyre capable of dealing with the public. Thank you. We take votes even if there are no members. Thank you. Welcome back. I want to thank chief peterson. I this is a remarkable process and thank the commission for their leadership. He was very responsive he may have done all of those things without my input. On paper demographically you have a strong pull. Another six teen that has asit tant or deputies the best candidatings possible im hopeful from this demographic that you have strong candidates in the pool i appreciate if there is an opportunity for a little bit. You are about to go to this confidential dark period so as much transparent as po possible. I think you need to keep it in this phase. We know the chiefs what agencies theyre from. Whatever without too much burden as much demographic information as much as possible. If you dont have time to discuss it next hour this meeting the recommendation i made three weeks ago which is pretty much common practice this is how the searches have changed most big cities at this stage they ask for permission of the finalists if theyre willing to release their names. Maybe they will say yes or no you respect when you say no or cross that bridge when they come to it. In the last year chicago fort worth tucson have released that information and los angeles dallas seattle released it twice. You made that decision to ask the finalist to release their names thank you. Thank you. Next spooeaker. [inaudible] Police Accountability. I would like to address the listening sessions and the survey. I found it to be not helpful at all. 776 respondances of a registered base of foun 4 hundred hundred is prt 0000 . I counted 100 distinct people at the different out reaches i went to. These folks that took the rvey is self selected. So none of the quantitative data that came out of this 49,000 exercise has any real validity for 35,000 you could have hired david binder that works for all the candidates and all the initiatives you would have gotten real quantitative data you you could ri lrely on in terms of making decision. There is call and quantity in this dit session is poor because of self selected folks you could have hired a focus Group Company and been stronger in terms of what San Franciscoians want in their new police chief i have no confidence in any of the information you had just gotten from the consultant and i think i should consider that. Next speaker. Welcome back. Good evening. Two minutes is not enough. I will do my best about the meetings i want to plank commissioner melara and dejesus. They were at the Community Meetings they were approachable. In this scenario it feels like we have to speak to the dies and it didnt feel like that. Page two i want to sigh how gratified i am. It is integrity. If you look down at the Leadership Qualities they want to be considered if theyre trust worthy. They also want credibility. I dont know if you have gotten the theme. The theme is they want somebody that is honest and trust worthy and has integrity they want the opposite of chief surf for instance. If we have to have one it cant be acting chief chaplain i recommend he follow this. Go to oakland if you wanted to know what limited resources. You do not have limited of resources that is a con nard also the Police Department say they want highlighting in the Police Department. Its not just pr its an integrity problem. I had more i can not think of it now. Thank you very much. Next speaker . Welcome back. Hi thanks. I wanted to say a couple of things from the perspective of a graduate student in qualitative and quantitative methods not as a community activists. I think you should disregard the results of the survey because they have poor validity, from a quantitative perspective. This is completely nonsensical choice of sampling strategy for quantitative survey. And that are not representative of the city of San Francisco. The way the survey was put together stro strongly bias respondents to think of things in a fixed rubr rubric. In the summaries when you are considering it in particular anybody concerned with accountability is reduced to fill out the box in a one 1 manner in a survey when its present. Finally just from that perspective i dont mean disrespect to the process as a democratic exercise its useful. But as useful data what people in this city feel i dont think you should base decisions on the basis of that. Thank you next speaker. Welcome back. Thank you. Commissioners i urge you start with the end in mind all of us in this room want a chief will hold Police Accountable and we paired the relationship with the community so we can all move forward. This is going to take the full force of the community, the mayor, this commission if from here on out we have no idea who any of these people are any of the candidates are nor what their qualifications are and one day mayor lee announces who the next chief is, were not setting up him, her, you the mayor or the community up for success. The number one criteria for a solid candidate for this rule is nowhere in that report. And thats not having the enforcement of the San FranciscoPolice Officers association. We urge you to make this process as transparent as possible for the good of everybody involved. Please think about that chiefs first day in office. Do you want him or her to come in with legitimate sea. Or do you want him from the entire community on slot. The entire concern in the search process. Please think about this. Thank you. Next speaker . My name is john jones. I will be brief. I didnt expect this process of choosing a police chief to be democratic in the least i aplowed you the work you go in with the surveys in the communitys sensibility i think the prior speakers about having a legitimate choice is well taken i think you are trying to achieve that. When i think about the process you are undergoing what occurred to me is the choice of dwightiz eisenhower a commander in chief in world war ii. Eisenhower surprised everybody. I respect your subjective the qualifications of the person in front of you. Thank you very much. Next speaker. Mr. Gilberti. Welcome back. Thank you again tom gilbert. New ideas. Some times theyre very strange theyre new ideas grandiose ideas, grandiose opinions. Right here, i brought what i consider the best paragraph in all of baseball and i havent seen all the paragraphs of baseball can we get a close up on that . [speaking off the mic] that is jackie robinson. 42. Across the land where racism doesnt exist. Some of have heard the word, some of you know what its about your entire life. This is a moment in time if you want the job if you want those goals i will tip my hat and let you go for it. New ideas. Slow down saturdays. Light gunless belts. Trainees that are graduated and working with ten year vets that have never shot a bullet. Theres a lot of, why notes, we can approach this with that is part of jackie robinson. Thank you. Next speaker. Welcome back. Thank you. Groood evening commissioners. So i also want to commend you for your work on this Police Chiefs search i know its been intense and also for your recruiter its been a process i wanted to talk about how important it is to bring in a chief who can lead reforms you have gone through a lot of the ground work to do this and having worked in the over site field now for over 30 years i know its a fact that in cities where there have been reforms sh the reforms come from hiring an outside chief. Look at seattle look at new orleans one that comes to mind that is very local here is the city of East Palo Alto. A much smaller city but chief ron davis was brought in to turn East Palo Alto around. He as the head of the cops office. He put out a piece recently saying we are at the moment in american policing history our collective efforts to meet the challenges we have faced over the past few years have opened a knew but small window of opportunity. A window through which police and the communities they serve see the need for policing reform and recognize the necessity of working together to achieve success. Now i think that here in San Francisco were at the same kind of cross roads and we have a unique opportunity to make some reforms so i know you are taking this very seriously, but you need to bring in an outside reform candidate. Any further Public Comment on this matter . Hearing none comment issed. Sergeant call the next line item. Item 5 discussion and possible action to take off calendar disciplinary case filed against assistant patrol special jose vidal, file no. Alw iad 20150072, 20150161 20150186, due to his resignation effective 7 29 16 actio action . Good evening everyone. So commissioner mazzucco this is your matter. Thank you. Members of the audience were doing house kleining on the patrol special the first matter is with reference to special krol patrol jose vidal. He has tendered his resignation. With that in mind the resignation i will ask the commission to take this matter off calendar. Do i have a motion . Second . All in favor. multiple voices aye. Any opposed . Tom come on. Good evening. Patrol special officers is a criminal racket. They have been put out of business long ago. He didnt show up. He should be locked up theyre criminals. Thank you. Thank you. Call next line item please. For point of clarification we do these in Public Session because special Patrol Officers are departure how we deal with officers sergeant call the next line item. Item 6 hearing regarding disciplinary charges filed in the following cases patrol special officer samuel reyes, file no. Alw iad 20140051 patrol special officer serge white, file no. Alw iad 20130214 6. Hearing regarding disciplinary charges filed in the following cases continued patrol special officer serge white, file no. Alw iad 20130214 assistant patrol special thomas mccloskey, file no. Alw iad 20130173 20130239 patrol special officer alan byard, file no. Alw iad 201301 20130155. Commissioner mazzucco. Im recused from the last line on all of its council present state your appearance its been late. Officer gar la browned and. [inaudible] on behalf of the department. Good evening. Charges were filed against Patrol Officer [inaudible]. Each year patrol specials have to turn in information which includes insurance all their current phone numbers who worked for them and so on. In this particular instance mr. White says he has no worked since 2009. Hasnt had training with firearms gone to the Academy Every year. With this matter its called revocation of their appoint. It doesnt mean discipline but have you notified officer white of the hearing . Yes. Do you have what you need to present to the Police Department. Did you send notification to this police address. Yes. How did you do it . Certified mail or hand deliveri . Mail. When did you send that letter . That was from the Police Commissioner. When was the last time you have had a conversation with officer serge white . I believe in 2013 for the original case. I interviewed him for the iinvestigation. There was no response from him is that correct . No. Hes not in compliance with any of the terms of conditions be withing a special Patrol Officer. Correct. Any questions from any of the commissioners any Public Comment for we take a vote . Come forward tom. I can speak about serge white with particular knowledge he was one of the people that worked with chuckle em bert i refuse to say his name. A crime against me he has never followed regulation you tried to follow in years and years in 2010 and 2011. When some of the commissioners tried to do something about him about the other scofflaws lawless criminals and someone i wont mention their name nothing happens to these criminals theyre play to pay. Week ol