Their worries about it raise their family an this lovely street with a wonderful life in San Francisco thank you very much. Is there any additional Public Comment . In support of project sponsor. Dr requester a two minute rebuttal. Each. Good evening, commissioners my name is john on may 6, 2015, whether asked about the demolition versus the addition the planner nicholas said this concept is abused this project is unclear at this point he had not reviewed it, in fact, not review them until this afternoon were not inclined to take his opinion by will look at an informed assessment with our expert. Our dr position any twaergs should be within the existing envelope after all the work youre thinking is evolved but no response from the folks two of the 3 levels have no views this is not about views but our modest in relation to an outside use and fine to talk about density but looking at each other it crows the line as an invasion of the privacy at the preapp meeting when everyone are sprersz concerns if i were me id like the support of my neighbors they didnt submit the mrantz as is we had evan to our house thinking this is the best way to reach a solution he said the sponsors will not be receiver and repeated follows up does nothing any brother eye were concerned about the outcome of this project to come before you thinking how our lives are balanced to a close project and ask you to help with a resolution thank you. Additional dr requester two minutes. Thank you look im not omitted to the families opportunity to refurnish and rehab and add to their properties so overly aggressive and ambitious were still not following for the lightwells the residential Design Guidelines thats siding to be done follow the guidelines and were not following the rdt retained request to religious the length and the promoter it we need we can accommodate that and still meets our neighborhood requests by moving the garage to the odds either using tandem parking or an elevator to leverage the use as for any potential i may or may not yes id like to do something i dont know that i will, in fact, this project makes me wonders i might go backgrounds not impacting my neighbors ive talked about a link of a study in immediate tinges and most importantly do not for today, were talking this project and the residential Design Guidelines this city has im asking you, please look at the project in isolation and the flat in front character the defining feature it feels im surprised this went through and wanted to raise and feinstein mr. Butler put forth a fair question about the Second Review and a diversity opinion therefore shouldnt be a proper environmental document for this proposal. The public will im sorry project sponsor an 8 hour rebuttal. I respectfully ask 4 minutes. 2. Thank you for reviewing the project i wanted to point out that from the very beginning our project has been 100 percent code compliant we may sure of that in the beginning we didnt want to propose something that was more than we felt we needed in order to negotiator come in with good faith additional trying to be responsible that was spoken to the noise made but is car stacker 80 decimals is created by the units weve offered to locate on the other side of the house the starker we manufactured within 70 decimals that is quieter than a residential dishwasher the heights towers over our proposed vertical addition our highest floor lines up with the low fats habitable floor of the union street prosper your sgaements lines you up with their basement we felt the dr requesters are unreasonable they demands we extend underground and demand we provide significantly more mohammed space whereas they provide zero space and provided a moments for phil to speak. Id like to speak to what i feel is a great him cac and the gentlemans house is 2200 feats he complains im too close to his house im not the one please dont punish us. Thank you. This portion of hearing is closed commissioner moore. As often as the commission findsism standing between two parties have positions that we need to consider, however, no argument one go way or the on that can convince us above and beyond what we normally need to look to make that by which we determine what one party and the other one says to define this what i did i took a close look at the sites this site in front of this commissioner a number of years ago but about the hyde street into residential it took a long, long time because of units were approved at that point had a serious impact on the liveability of union street and russel streets at a time were not operating on a flat plain the most important part a multi serious series of planes what happens here so understand the entering dependence of all units no one can tell me the houses are taller ive looked 5 homes in the locations adjoining the russel project and feel that at this moments were like two trains not meeting two ships sailing in opposite directions the one thing ive observed nfl i believe the depiction of the existing conditions fails to capture the suibtilitas not that the oldest homes dont fit this this was exactly as prescribed by some of the families that owned the homes for over 40 or 50 years no code that modifies that, however, when a new building joins the settings can was surprising to me we cant say really deal with that project when it so the neighbors that are adjoining those properties 10 or so flats basically turn into tenants units i went into 4 union street homes their stacks and different Living Conditions their families with Young Children a little bit odors than one one is in diapers i dont know them tare literally 12 feet away from you balcony and 20 feet away number one monopoly i believe when you live in this place or me looking out there i would not want to live that way i think based on overseeing things we need to find a better middle ground for this project we cannot workout we should continue this a better understanding a mature understanding and a mature understanding of the demolition or the rebuilding that needs tobacco a better understanding about what this proximity niece in terms of give or take and the balcony could be off no garage stark stack eerie building at this moment the project doesnt understand the height with the typography and the multiply plains including the view lines for privacy and just a few minutes the project didnt understand weight the locality is elevated should come to the ground and match and i believe the deputy the property given the proximity between the go buildings have not been properly understood not to maybe not a workable project but with the commissioner president fong and commissioner johnson being gone i feel it would take two long to come to a compromise more work needs to be done with a particular understanding about the 3 things with the steps on larkin with the obligation calculations a better neighborliness i hope you can account this thats my suggestion i make a motion to continue ill say about 4 weeks and lets have a look at the calendars second. Second. Commissioners four weeks puts us out to july 21st ill only repeat obvious our commissioner calendars is impacts your hoefldz a joint hearing with the sfmtas boards and have 1517 south van ness after that you the following week its absence hard to get this worked out. Commissioners you can take our poison all the dates are impacted through cement. May we ask. A date future in the future and if a date comes up we can notice it and actually hear it. Sir. Sir youre out of order. In that times. Shame on you. Sir we have complete discretion for the city chapter didnt mean that meets codes thats why were here. Were not here to say there couldnt be a building there definitely can be a this the soot requires suddenly changing the existing building that is opted out by a larger number of people moving and irrespective of small children other small children would be impacted their ordinary people multi generations people in at joining homes and they have just as important standing in front of that commission weve not told you this is a denial but basically continue to be sensitive and work closely together thats encouraging you to come up with what is essential essential because they have something this not what San Francisco is all about. I will ask we move to october 6th. Is that amenable to the maker of the motion. Fine. Can we still comment. Yes. Im sorry commissioner antonini. Weve ive been working with the project sponsors for over a year i went and looked at it i saw their earlier plans and can attest theyve made a lot of compromises to go accommodate the neighbors im surprised at some of the department of Human Resources one the dr requesters is in a little to the northeast of the project their can hardly by any give and take first of all, an elevation change, and, secondly, any loyalty will be coming from the property hidden which that particular dr requester and the dr requesters 64 merely said shes concerned about the lightwell so i dont understand why there is such an issue i have a question for mr. Fosters please theres all this talk how close in the 16 want 5 and 20 feet with the separation would be if theres a deck even so an elevation change any distance is not also a difference in height. The one of the plan in the 311 is actual distances between the rear private property abutting 1241 through 45 union street and the rearmost building wall again, no horizon space only 16 feet 6 inches the balcony on second story that is proposed to penetrate 4 for which 3 feet into the rear yard and into the planning code so to answer your question 6 feet 6. Somewhat horizontal or vertical. A substantial grade change. Yes. An impact i live in a singlefamily in western San Francisco we have 3 feet between prels e property lines and that seems to be more than adequate so someone between 16. 5 feet i hardly think that is exceptional or extraordinary i could entertain this lightwell issue that one of the dr requesters wrought up but theyre also a grade change i know request a little bit of a redesign of the floor levels that level the property at 60 to be able to make the lelsz exactly the same thats something that can be choroid well have a opportunities all of this stuff should is have been resolved between the project sponsors long before it came up that is is an appropriate project the height is barely more than second story above the garage on russel and it is a couple of feet not a huge impacto so i think this deduction why it is a demo doesnt matter the problem if it is a demo it is a conditional use because some legislation was passed recently but the opinion has been made not a demo but still have the project whether it is a demo or not so you know not happy we cant resolve this ive followed it closely the plans are sensitive a few minute things to make that acceptable it is nice it a couple is willing to spend the time and money to renovate a tiny place i think adequate for a family what question. We have prepared to offer to lower the lightwell if that is you know an issue that allows the project to precedes were certainly happy to offer that ill see what the votes on the continuance im not in favor of dragging it out i dont see anything else in the project that is exceptional or extraordinary so ill hopefully be able to beat continuance and be able to take this up and get it done. Thank you. Commissioner hillis. So a couple of thoughts a lot of communication weve seen those projects in alleys and this neighborhoods a lot i think the zoning rules with difficult to political theres a context that is typical an alley kind of what we normally is the mid block open space in buildings on it and tennis to cause some issues with how the zone is applied we tend to see drs on typical comblokz and mid block and open space because of that coon test were here today but i think the project needs to change a little bit there are no enormous what i dont necessarily agree with all the changes theyre fairly mieftsdz i get it the building on union street the full block where they think in the full lot their flats and gets light from the properties and back in lightwells we have to recognize thats is context it comes up a lot and your last in so nfl have to respond not just you know built to the zone but i dont think the things are unreasonable we intend not to wanted to design a building based on car parts gits youre trying to put two spots and also trying to fit a Building Program it didnt work to the height of the building you probably dont need you can respond there but you know, i think if you eliminate that you start the building starts to come down by 3 feet with one car and you know start to work a little bit better in the context again, the balconies i think have something that can be looked at and potentially eliminated i i get it rear yard and open space difficult to accommodate in those small lots but it is kind of the nature of the lot i mean, we at the end not to have an enormous amounts of open space in those neighbors were kind of crammed together so i think if you take some of the suggestions and look at them and treat the back of the building as you treated the front of building you did a great job if designing the building the garage looks at awkward i say the same thing that a garage it sticks out on the first story does a little bit of the same thing not to the extents just a few minutes to you but it does so i think if you take some of the suggestions the balconies which wru you probably wont use because of the context and get the building on union street overshadowing you, we can get to a solution i think relatively painfully on a project that fits better into this context so things like the balconies eliminating the stacker parking you know reconfiguring that back facade you have a back facade it looks like you have a view you dont youre looking into the back of the buildings are the hill on union street your treating it like getting smaller kind of conventional windows with some three story windows will work better on the back and be more contextual so those are any gentle thoughts well not get a consensus here today for four votes to do anything i t were being unreasonable in october deadline i dont think that project is complex but get with our neighbors and sit down and kind of a neighborly fashion and try to account those issues so i will vote against on october and try to account today id like to see that date moved up and potentially you come to an agreement and not have a dr hearing something in late july are early august so my comments here i impair this discretionary review application and return to us and i give us one page and on the page you included you basically your telling us you took a role of todays do let us make a decision under question two what alternative transportation did you make and willing to make arrested changed the project youre talking to staff not our neighbors i dont dont like the he or she says but people that live those close youve not talking to we want to see you tells us what they i couldnt do for and why you dont want to do this it shows you they have a very good case to sit up here and take a dr but you rolled dice so i think im worried about the demo top drawings clearly that a very, very major alteration no calculations and is drawings im worried that what makes we wishes how many more are out there through the did not like never had before were trying to address that but were cant cut corners but dos it makes a difference you know im a dot all the is and cross the ts we have someone steep in history mr. Butts letter take it up with the hpc and you work with staff to try to get that cross i dont know then is surface burglary the building fits the create but two car parking stackers is a nonstarter for me i dont think so the whole crawl space liveable area i think that will be a crawl space i think that is 8 30 i dont want to design this building you need to come back with a solution dont come back here ideally you have to live invocation or next to those people youre wonderful people with wonderful children and addition to the neighborhoods and working still like up standing folks. Commissioner antonini. Yeah. I would suggest some things whether we consider them are not youve talked about the elements an essentially all dr requester has asked for your going to have to getting into the weeds of the starker that allows you to lower the building a couple of feet not sets that at all but, yes did you want to Say Something. Speak into the microphone. I wanted to point out have a chance to say the heights of the house is not driven by the staeshg the basement down there i hit my head on thats where the car drops into a but actually youre going down. I think it looked at the stacker allows you to lower one. Perhaps lifts or drop sounds like it is going up. It sounds like im not sure thats a big issue most people i know dont have real cars and you have to drag a your kids you need a car removing the when i talked about to the project sponsor you this a good job but the back looks at difference you need french windows and up two or three feet and you need pains things like that so those windows have not so big the dr requesters or the neighbors have talked about those i agree in the necessary to center the glares would make the addition a lot look more like this or the houses in the area in the suggestion talked about uncertainty the railing and open those are fairly minor things i think with those things done this sounds like it a very good project i hope to vote on it not and vote against the continuance i think we can do is october is ludicrous to wait that long we want housing in San Francisco i dont think that is your fault theres no communication with the neighbors. Commissioner moore. I feel the rest of the commissions has a balanced view in the interest of designing a proper building not just reading off a couple of sentence to have the neighbors and is a new neighbors to be open with each and beginning points some give and take and some might not all work im looking for a completely different take on starting this building may i ask who the architect. Why does someone speak for you. We were both design im the architect of record no new information i can add. If youre designing partners it would be nice for for example, a little more really taking the challenges of design in a difficult situation i know youre not in San Francisco but you live in a typography i saw the seaside addresses of your office it is all about that large a fit i think if at all interests of both parties to not push this to october but pull it up closer. Like i said commissioners. Any one you want to push it on ill ill be happy to add. Richards youre in the balance tells you what you think. July 14th is potentially your best choose. I trust youre correct. Harrison is on that day thats. Well, i mean really commissioners not a debate you dont have a large project. Okay 14 july. 14 of july it will be ill accept that. Dr requester. Please speak into th