Transcripts For SFGTV Planning Commission 51216 20160514 : c

expect commissioner hillis to arrive late commissioners, that places you under your is consideration for items proposed for continuance 79 castro discretionary review and various are property to july and items 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 cases - bush street, ellis and market street and sutter street fourth street discretionary review 19 are proposed for indefinite continuance as under departmental matters at market street the informational presentation is proposed for continuance until june 9th and under the discretionary review calendar we did receive a letter signed by both parts for 23 ab at grant avenue and place discretionary review and variance request for june 2nd continuance. >> okay opening it up for public comment on any items on the continuance calendar okay comment is closed. commissioner vice president richards. >> move to continue items 1 through 7 and 10 to the dates specified and second. >> thank you on that motion to continue commissioner antonini commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and then the two variances 1-b continue those to the dates specified that places us adaptation of the draft minutes for 2016. >> any public comment on minutes not seeing any, public comment is closed. commissioner antonini. >> before i make a motion i think when commissioner vice president richards made the motion to continue he said item 9 i think that was item 12. >> the informational. >> the informational i believe that is actually item 12. >> no item 9 under the director's report. >> oh, it is over here not item 12 he's right i'm wrong that's due june 9th a june 9th. >> i move to approve the minutes. >> thank you, commissioners to adopt the minutes for 2016 commissioner antonini commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero commissioners and places us on item 9 commissioners questions or comments. >> ohoh - >> commissioner antonini i apologize you're correct the number is item 12 he apologize. >> change that back to 12 owe assume that is noted in the approval of continuance. >> jonas can you remind me june 30th a cancelled date read the reason. >> it was cancelled procedurally as it is the 5 thursday of june. >> okay. very good thank you. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> a couple of quick things a oral in the pittsburgh it was research center at ucla they do a lot of surveys around technology and housing and demographics they're showing in most metropolitan areas in the u.s. all but 2 the amount of middle-income people aribnb between one hundred and 40 and 60 percent are local ami has been shrinking in fact, 79 metropolitan areas are showing a majority of upper income folks versus 37 in the year 2000 so the issue we're sitting here in that city is pretty much replicating the cities secondly, was a little bit disappointed it the eastern neighborhoods cac was not able to get a quorum on the agenda they were going to vote to clear to move forward with the monitoring report they have to do that next month it puts everything off i'm disappeared to hear that. >> commissioner moore. >> the new yorker an article called dorm life forever speaks about a new form of housing and without going into detail i'll copy it is definitely an eye opener a new form of collective housing to minimum the private space but a communal opportunity for deputies. >> thank you commissioner antonini. >> in regards to the calendar i noticed we're not in session on the 26 of may and the theodore roosevelt of june, i would propose that one of those dates be added back in we're switzerland items into august now it is not fair to everyone involved in projections we've had to calendar them so far so perhaps june date might be more practical a timing problem with the 26 of may i want to put that out there for the other commissioners to consider. >> commissioner moore. >> supporting that comment i had the public talk to me about why drs when we have fill calendar during the normal hours that puts particularly elderly or people with children sit here all day at a sdaemgs to participate in the discussions together we're he often tired when it reaches 8 o'clock or 9 o'clock hour i want to spread out the calendar we have large projects and dragging onramp for all of us. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you designee how we're only a couple of weeks out from the may 26th date i'd like to proposed propose we'll put the june 30th date we want to make things easily and put may 26 is a short notice and the other thing i'll supported commissioner moore's comments about drs one thing to consider to light else the load with the june drs make them all on the 30th one meeting so we can hear other large projects and have june 30th a dr hearing. >> (laughter) that's why commissioner wu says it's fine. >> commissioner vice president richards the may 26th is two earlier to add back honestly i would support the june thank god for dr only and consider that periodically in the future do dr meetings. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i'm, of course, supportive of adding back june 30th historically a period of time probably 12 years ago for a short periodic period of time flip flopped them so entering making them not as rigid but putting the drs on occasion might you know be a little bit fair to these involved no drs. >> commissioner moore. >> a comment to the director the department is doing a lot of information presentations some of them quite important and require. at thoughtful comment i will see sometimes we are getting adding ant two overloaded and not spending a lot of time on the discussion so if if this there are particular items to group that that be appreciated as well. >> commissioner antonini. >> so do we need to vote to add back the 30th or the consent calendar. >> we'll certainly make a motion and vote the june 30th hearing date back both your schedule. >> i so moved. >> for clarity only for drs or only cases that commissioner vice president richards is interested only in drs. >> drs it might be more flexible. >> mostly drs. >> the reason to not bumped to august or september my motion would be more flexible. >> second. >> commissioner moore. >> i think as the director has anything in the back pocket may in conjunction i'd like to have that informational and dr depending on how many drs we have. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i think commissioner antonini is on to something potentially things we continue to august we have no room we might be able to accelerate one of those on the june 30th calendar. >> that depends on the 90s because some things require everyday notice. >> june 30th works well, i want to note as the person that manages or tries to manage the schedule it is easier said than done there are requests from supervisors there are requests from staff and legislative items that require our time i would you to take into consideration. >> (laughter). >> i'll take the opportunity to thank you jonas every week and every month you juggle that not just the commissioners schedule. >> i appreciate that there is a motion that has been seconded to add june 30th into the hearing schedule. >> commissioner antonini. >> commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner wu commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and begin switzerland items for that hearing immediately commissioners commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to under commissioner kristen's kristen's drourments. >> one announcement in light you've heard the city attorney filing suit on the academy of art i wanted to assure you, ar moving forward with the first time and on schedule a commitment from the attorneys to move forward and continue to complete that environmental impact report by july 1st, the date we've been working toward and continue to happy or happen i want to make sure you knew we have that commitment to complete the work so allow us to keep on moving forward with your actions in the future and we are still schedule for a informational hearing with the academy we'll preempt your are preliminary thoughts in terms of recommendations on about specific sites in the academy portfolio were on schedule as previously said thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioner item 11 review of past events no historic preservation commission beyond any doubt. >> good afternoon aaron starr, manager, legislative affairs. for to the department staff this week no items at the land use committee and full board the landmark for 9092 second street passed the second reading the landmark tree designation for the norwalk pine locked only cook street passes is its second reading and the permitting accessory massage with conditional use in the north of market in the special use district spordz by commissioner gilman pass the first reading two introductions the first planning code amendment for the student housing store inclusionary housing supported by supervisor wiener it academies e amends the planning code into 5 to 2 years student housing be leased by the educational institutions the second one a sdroer supported by supervisor campos the planning code by the not rezoning from the current designation at 60 r having x and that concludes my remarks i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> can you explain the current student housing for inclusionary. >> sure if you're student housing and you sign a contract with an educational institution 5 years we consider that student housing and don't need the inclusionary podium but once no longer student housing we this have to provide did inclusionary. >> yes. for two years from. >> some developers felt institutions didn't want to commit for 5 years they felt that was too long. >> thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> you answered my question this was no in regards to owning properties prior to the passage of this legislation for percent has to do with with the inclusionary. >> right two think property owner and the school to use it as student housing. >> thank you and the board of appeals met last night only one item maybe of interest 1095 market street a letter of condition for the project before the commission twice and 2010 approval inform convert from office building to hotel authorization in 2013 after the extension was the building permit for the project there were changes in the configuration of the hotel but existing historic building no changes in the building, however, elements we found it in xhoefrps and work is underway an appeal was filed but one can't be heard because it was issued pursuant to a conditional use authorization it said the appellant sought the letter of determination for the conformity with our decisions and which i found in con formation i'm available to answer any questions. >> commissioners item 7-eleven is considered that places us on general public comment i have no speaker cards. >> of him out a accord. >> hi commissioners i'm here to ask that you direct the planning department staff to provide the summaries and their responses to all projects that are in the pipeline for development and provide to the public at least two or three weeks before the commission meeting meets the beast an bryant comes up and four days ago didn't get a summary under the department staff i've been told toe by the department secretary to have my draft in writing 3 days is not enough time for the public to accurately review especially those large projects i know that the commissioners also would like input in advance and understood by conversations with each of you many of you, you also want to see the informational go packets two weeks before if you need our packets two weeks before certainly anybody of the community that want to review and come before you coherently and give you a head up we need those packets in the world at least three weeks if not 4 to accurately respond any deadline is the deadline if i say it is due on the 5 and comes in on the 8 that item should be postponed i received template cookie cutter approval that had a bunch of x's and square footage would be at life or death documents not sfield out by itself mayor's office of housing and got as i said the summary 4 days ago so i can't possibly write that fast and think that fast to give you a coherent response so director rahaim to be able to commit we'll have those things he said we'll have them by may 5 and they didn't come on may 5th they didn't come up come to a couple of days ago the go commission should ask director rahaim for his staff to get the things out so we'll not have to tell you in 2 minutes and you said make a quick decision everybody needs a thoughtful process thank you. >> next speaker >> hi happy bike to work day i want to talk a little bit about the bicycle lanes in san francisco and how some of the decisions that you're making are impeding the functioning of the bicycle lanes a project that you approved i think that was last week or the week before that was on - (inaudible) 16th street street underwear jackson by the park side in their document they said they wanted both block the 16th street bike plain a lane for the possibly lanes of construction for the project they suggested that bicker e bike environmental impact statement eers get to get to use the bike lanes and developers shouldn't take the bike lanes for the entire construction period 17th street talking to bicers approximately have a lot of rail lines aliens lanes it is dangerous for people not prepared and people wipeout the bike lanes an caesar chavez there's a lot of uncontrolled dust an caesar chavez the bike lanes has huge trucks but really need to be protective of bike lanes when you design things and you should not allow encroachment i rode in on bike tour day that is valencia street a truck on bike to work day on valencia street when i did it last year octavia had a long term blockade in terms of the the construction someone who bikes with their twins regularly for 10 years that was blocked for a currently amount of time and also, of course, when trains and caltrain really need to make sure this is the bike lane this is a bike lane you really need to make sure that bike lanes are fundamental for people to use and that during construction they are honored and also during the project that they does not do loading zones and therefore create obstructions everyday i think people are used to inaccurate loading zones for bike lanes a colleague said on howard i guess target didn't have a proper loading zone thank you and happy bike to work day. >> any other general public comment? today. >> okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. >> very good that places us under our regular calendar multiple proposed by the art institute located in the office of the small business commission an institutional master plan. >> good afternoon commissioner president fong and commissioners department staff an phenomenal item for the institutional master plan for the san francisco art institute planning code section requires medical discussions u institution and post secondary institutions to have a current i mp for that institution when the insinuation was determined by the planning department the planning commission shall hold a public hearings with public testimony and shall in no way be a approval or disapproval san francisco a non-profit that offers programs associated with the study of contemporary art it was funded under a different name in 1871 about facilities until 1926 when the main compass was on chestnut street in 1969 a major alienation was opposing open of floor area on a lot with footage along chestnut and san francisco and - has a total enforcement shy of 6 hundred students with 2/3rd's of undergraduates and incarcerating folks with 90 staff members roughly hosts a number of programs for one thousand people for the studio programs that provided free underserved youth ss a i is a employer that leads in intellectual multiple city of voices in addition to the main compass on chestnut streets it has buildings in 2002 secret were opened on third street with the dog patch neighborhood and pdr one g inform provide graduate studio space this facility is on the second story of the existing american industrial building beginning in 2010 it began leasing space on sutter street and geary street within the rc-4 for student housing collectively those two buildings serve one one hundred and thirty and 40 students the majority are the students in the first year it was brought to your attention that those buildings didn't go through the proper use to convert the student housing it passed the compliance was identified in ss a i for the student housing within the coming months. >> a failure to initiate the process will result in enforcement actions i'll be available for the use of those building for the student housing as part of document s f a i it is anticipated plans for the coming decade the main development will be the transition of the graduate from the location the dog patch into a facility at the historic pier 2 of the mason center for argument they've worked closely with the park to receive the policy act the proposed art use it provide a slightly larger facility for trader to three quarters needs and a cohesive experience with chestnut one mile away they anticipate the conclusion in fort mason in june and complete in august of 2016 they have commissioners a structural report in a historic preservation commission for the help to provide appropriate care improvements to the building a anticipated, however, likely within the existing envelope entirely the department has received two comments from the i mp there is public assess to the main compass it is reduced since the 1980s for from chestnut through the building into francis street and congestion and trash that generates despite their efforts to be good neighbors after reviewing the staff documents it recommends the commission accept that has complete following the testimony that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questions okay project sponsor. >> presentation. >> hi and heather i'm the society vice president for the operations and facilities in the review they're dedicated to the value of art and it's environmental role as a difference artists they provide the its with an education for life in the arts for the environment and integrated critical engagement of the world founded in 1871 has a long list of alumni here in san francisco and abroad you know the mural that was painted in our gallery in 1931 and adam in 1945 founded the photograph department we were the hub on the west coast in 2010 katherine an alumni was the first woman to win an oscar here's the list of excellent alumni we offered degree programs and art and technology, film and painting and photos addresses studio art we say is offered m a in contemporary arts and infection with the study you can get a dual degree an ma and f a the campus is open to the public we have a library, two galleries in the main compass excellent views of the bay and the city we consider ourselves as having an integrated mission between education and exhibit shuns are free and open to the public and recent arts have guests elect yourselves (calling names) this is our main compass at fort mason about a mile door to door. >> and then our 3 incredible views this is looking at being so fort mason with the main entrance in the greatly. >> and we will be building a level and moving in about one hundred and 72 graduates and studios with two galleries and theatre and two classrooms we're on chestnut street own the property third we leased a portion of the second story and the building of the american 717 sutter street and the next property to begin construction in june. >> okay. thank you open up for public comment any public comment on this item? okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. commissioner antonini. >> yeah. a couple of comments and then questions for staff it looks like the uses of the two residences student housing facilities that are in the process of being legalized or going through the conditional use i'll assume 717 sutro sutter street was a tourist and 630 geary was a residential is that what you're records show prior to the acquisition of the institution? >> so 717 sutter street both the tourist and hotel rooms 16 tourist hotel and 19 residential and 630 gear was 540 entire remain rooms. >> reading the report it seems like there are 3 things that are required for an institution to create student housing based on grandfathering situations speaks for itself they have to be owned and operated as august 30th, 2010, and have institutional master plan on file and non-students amongst the residents have to be less than 20 percent is that the case. >> that's correct the section will allow the conversion to student housing it if it meets the requirement for the sutter street and it was entirely cyber purchased and documents that there was interest in the building prior to the date so it was eligible for conversion and that building there were 8 occupants at the time of purchase currently there are 3 all have left through natural attrition. >> thank you for the information i know that is only an updated institutional master plan not before us today, i want to establish this is a policy that applies to all educational institutions if they meet those requirements. >> so it was interesting to hear that that is a wonderful institutional master plan seems to answer all the things we need to know about the institution and so i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> commissioner johnson. >> thanks yeah, i'm a little bit confused i'm not sure i can support the i mp to start off with the question is around the current student housing we received a memo from the planning department that list out a number of properties where a u is using the properties for the housing this students and seeking to legalize this is a lot of you add up the numbers 20 or thirty people why are those properties not listed on this. >> sorry to interrupted i can explain the prohibition on conversion of the residential. >> this is not a u but the sprat institutions sorry it is confusing. >> i know that totally messes yes. >> but there's a provision in the planning code. >> preview and well to my second question which is i am sorry, sorry san francisco artist we're not an artist institute any second question he appreciate they're getting fort mason - do they have - i'm sorry yeah. my other question their knowledge a space in fort mason any other further expansion plans in terms of the growth there was a lot of things on fort mason but not any other spaces. >> at this point the document and perhaps the project sponsor can speak no other plans aside for the historic building. >> i get it. >> follow-up question i apologize to the project sponsor i apologize are - i mean should we then have i don't know maybe a hearing to talk about you know conversion of certain uses like i know that one of these is a residential hotel they're seeking to legalize. >> so currently there are lease options extend for them until the year 2020 the 6:30 geary building that is the rc-4 district to convert 4 group housing before the commission as a conditional use authorization will need to be 3 months following the acceptance the i mp for sutter street the housing no conditional use requirement only a filing of the a zoning permit for the tourist hotel rooms into residential student housing. >> okay. >> i will only offer my apologies this is we're talking about the actual aau but have a short item with the commission to talk about residential hotels and the future conversions of the student housing it is coming up in other context and might have that discussion as a whole again now. >> commissioner moore. >> the artist institute is definitely world renowned institution for none on the chestnut street it is absolutely beautiful the comment i want to make the institutional documents is not quite reflective on the quality of the institution partially because while it contains the information the way it is put together falls short of what we've seen and not speak to the level of standards i'm push for again and again with the hastings college of law setting back the example for the bulk on the shelf and referred to as we go through the next 4 years with the sold pages that put together with contention that lacks the clarity by which i'd like this institution to present itself some of ocean slides shown in the power point were very nice the documents itself is given to us i think false fall short of what i expect to be in the files more an institution. >> commissioner commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to no ax required for you to take. >> sorry would you curious about a response i guess the i mp is a standard thresholds and we reviewed this at the planning code it outlines the standards for an im p the staff reviewed that and found the requirements are met, of course, i have and the academy of art the minimum requirements were not met and requested additional information a series of hearings the i mp was cut to 2011 if there is specific information the commission would like to see we can request that and come back at a at a later time to have something that meets our standards and 1esh8 i'll note the enforcement issues for the conversions nothing can happen until they get the i mp on file but the commission if so overall wants to see the additional information we'll request that from the sponsor and bring that back to you. >> one of the most important comments the locational and correlation against the map so people can understand them a google map didn't quite do it i want to know where is the housing relative to where people go to psychological there was a verbal comment moving being so fort mason a fabulous idea a mile a way away are those comments should be documented so we have an understanding we need to do that we have to have apples to apples as we are describing other institutions not doing the proper job this institution does the same i don't believe that the documented for the disclose of property didn't meet this. >> so from the commission likes we work with the art institute to you come up with a map and bring that back also it is clear direction if you like we can simply work with the art institute and develop a map and add that to the i mp to do a memo at a later time if you want to accept the i mp but noting that we would update 9 and improve the map another option. >> a question whether or not you wanted another hearing to get the map. >> i think what you're saying that maping this is a great time to ask for specifics and apply that in an attached memo. >> your do you have can do that on your own we need to do apples to apples what we're asking for one institution has to be done by the other ones to do what their supposed to do. >> we'll do an improved map and send it back but accept the i mp. >> thank you commissioner tan. >> yeah. i'm fine with that it is so noted and make the necessary upgrades with not another hearing it is well done aside from the point that was brought up by commissioner moore. >> okay next item, please. >> jonas thank you. >> very good that places us on items 14, 15 or 15 ab for e and x at 16th street and 17th street first commissioners you will take up the matter of certifications for the first time please note the draft eir is closed the public comment period end on october 4, 2015, and public comment received at this point may not be included in the final eir you'll hear if staff on the adoption of ceqa finding and large project authorization from the project sponsor and then public comment on those items and then act separately on the certification. >> thank you. >> good afternoon commissioner president fong i'm chris from the vinyl department this is a certification for a final environmental impact report or eir for the proposed 16th street and 1200 17th street with me the senior environmental planners and the current planner chris towns the draft eir was published on august 12, 2015, and hearing on october 1st, 2015, and the public comment closed on october 5, 2015, the response to the comments document was as l t c and published in 2016 before discussing the eir i want to call your attention to errata items and available for the public here first, the comment letter submitted during the draft eir was not limited to and the comments were addressed in the rtc and a correction to the range of not that i recall for the for seeable growth in the plans this rank is recorded on page 55 in rtc was anticipated by the western neighborhoods e eir that was the draft if august it was based on those july 2015 this figure was inaly left in the rtc document it was recorded in the rtc based on the most recent valued data with the noifrl that is less than anticipated by the eastern neighborhoods eir this is the only change for the development recorded in the rtc to conclude on the erratas the inadvertently lesser the for seeable non-residential growth in the eastern neighborhoods presented any information that alternates the conclusion in the draft eir or trigger the need to redistribute this to the needs of the california environmental quality act so there is many comment in the eir with the development of the eastern neighborhoods plan area and at showcase square castro hill as exceeded what was evaluated in the eastern neighborhoods staff compiles the data ones open quarterly basis 2r0ish8 to the plans area it is important to point out that the eastern neighborhoods example eir evaluated projected under abc when we say projected development the development that could precede with the zoning district approved in 2015 prior to this date were not resident on the changes in the eastern neighborhoods plan the most recent data shows the amount of for essential residential and that non-residential has not exceeded the upper limits the range of development that was considered for the eastern neighborhoods or the showcasing either in terms of the dwelling units arrest square footage of noirnl or population moving to the resources the eir forms the determination of the staffs evaluation respond and defining in august all in favor, signify by i by the historic preservation commission that the majority of the project site not eligible for listing on the historic register only the brick office building which will be rehabbed as commercial space for proposed project is individually obstacle as a historic resource the eir further determines not an impact on the status of brick office building monkey off my back to land use the eir finds the proposed project is a considerable contribution to the impact identified not eastern neighborhoods eir with regards to the cumulative loss of distribution and repair or pdr land uses you know the city adopted a overriding impact as discussed in the eir for this project the proposed project contribution to cumulative loss of pdr was anticipated by the eastern neighborhoods pdr eir the planning commission adopted it on march 2016 establishing that awning delay as described by the level of metrics is no longer considered a significant impact under ceqa however, because of this resolution was a adopted after the end the public comment period with the draft eir the eir now includes the analysis the automobile to reduce the automobile traffic when considering the los significant and unavoidable impact to 3 sdpshgz or intersection and cumulative impacts would occur with implementation of the project the analysis of the proposed projects contribution to 9 d m t and reduces the traffic found less than significant with the unavailable impacts will need to be adapted from the commission showings choose to adopt this e-mails were attachments to the staff in the planning commission and if keith and rod on behalf of the old neighborhood group raises concerns that were addressed in the draft eir we would like to further respond to one comment the draft eir is sufficient it if take into consideration the truck routed in the vicinity the commenter is correct the signage state truck route and directing trucks to turn north on to mariposa and san francisco doesn't have a map with advisory in this case due to weight limitations on westbound streets regardless the eir study congestion using traffic counts of both automobiles and trucks to disclose the effects on congestion this includes identified the impacts think sdshgsz the commenter is correct the sfmta is proposing to add commuter shuttles buses along did east side of mississippi street this is 17th street if approved the puss zones have loss of 4 that concludes my remarks we're considered in the eir analysis for parking conditions the loss of 4 parking spaces will not change the conditions of eir with the parking demand brought about in the vicinity those comments don't present any new information in the eir are trigger the need to recirculate the draft eir pursuant to ceqa to date, no new information submitted that will alternate the concludes in the draft eir or trigger the need to reroute the dir they recommend you adopt the motion with the report are accurate and adequate and the procedures for the final eir was prepared comply is california environmental quality act the california environmental quality act guidelines and charter 31 that concludes my presentation. i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you. >> yes. >> good afternoon planning commission chris with the planning department staff my portion is a large project authorization coupled with the associated e k for the adoption of ceqa vnldz forever the mixed use 17th street under the large project authorization we're seeking modifications to the planning code for exceptions including rear yard aid blockage of the street and parking and loading and on-street parking and on-street parking loading and a horizontal mass reduction and modification to the dwelling units the site is located in the umu zoning district with the castro corridor that connects to mission bay the broader neighborhood is light industrial with land uses with grocery and light industrial and schools and residential restaurants and mraechlt they're the property further north through pdr 1-b and property to the south further south are rh2 it messenger 4 lots into 2 with 3 and a half acres inform demolition parking lots and the approximate one hundred and 9 square feet of presidio use in which it is occupied by a company the project will construct two new 4 to 6 buildings mixed use with the north building with the 16th street building in your packet and that believe will be 6 stories 6 to 8 feet tall nuked with over one hundred unit and retail and 200 plus parking spaces the south building is the 17th street building 4 stories 48 feet in height and mixed use with over one hundred unit and 46 hundred square feet of retail and 100 applause off-street parking it has a middle-income alley on the north direction on the western property line as well as an east west pedestrian pathways into of remain uses only combined the two buildings will construct over one hundred dwelling units with 24 thousand grow square feet of retail and off-street parking 4 hundred and 55 class one bicycle and other bikes parking space that rain a historical brick building along the 17th street frontage that is incorporated spot property line at the time of the packet mailing the department got 15 letters of support including the dog patch merchant association and the book keeper those comments of support support the project design and program the proposed density and also it's rip to the 16th street corridor the department receives 25 community letters and three hundred plus community of a petition and over one hundred signers have concerns about the heebtd and scale and the lack of open space it's neighborhood compatibility and lack of commercial uses and traffic impacts as well as inaccuratecy of the eir staff is supportive of the project as as whole and executive expectation with the on-street parking modifications and wards to the off-street parking administrations the sponsor seeks a one by one ratio with the bedrooms over one 0,000 square feet, however, the stat staff is not able to support this because of the planning code more it is consistent with the transit first policy subsequent it has minor edits and added the shadow to the park it is under construction and although the project didn't cast a shadow on the rec and park department it does cast a shadows on the open space which be waernlts a finding under planning code section, however, please note the shadow impact other damaging even though park is considered minimal and acceptingable staff recommend approval based on the following the project come plies with the planning code and consistent with the policies of the general plan as well as the castro hill area plan, the project is located in a zoning district where the residential use are principally permitted 9 project has a mixed use residential development with streetscape improvements important with the better straights that adds housing stock with commercial retail use and includes landscaping and common open space within open east west middle-income and residential use the project complies with the hiring promissory note program and lastly it utilizes the eastern neighborhoods with the affordable development impact fees with the project that concludes my presentation. >> additional staff presentation. >> okay opening up for public comment - >> project sponsor please. >> 10 minutes. >> good afternoon commissioner president fong commissioners i'm josh with the castro project sponsor and property owner this project represents 10 years of consistent outreach to neighborhoods on or about potrero hill some unique features that have come up as an steven outreach a family-friendly residential community that includes 22 one bedroom and plus two bedroom bath units a family-friendly secure outside place for families play with their kids and infrastructure wide promenade with a stair free pathway as wide enough for two double strollers to pass xhovn and a unique design we've engaged 3 earthal firms in san francisco and (calling names) the architecture is distinct and celebrate the castro hill industrial pact but looifltd the architectural vocabulary that is widely braced by praised by the booster the brick building at the corner of texas was turned san francisco a neighborhood serving retail space and some said the shed we have eliminated 9 unit and have a stand alone shed for the industrial past in response to concerns voiced by the bottom of the hill numbering the residential unit on the ground floor facing 17th street closet to the bottom of the hill was replaced with a non-residential and the unit will be air conditioned and soundproofing no order to activate 16th street and 17th street the project includes 25 thousand square feet of ground floor retail use so that neighborhoods serving can offer them a convenient place to shop and socialize in order to address affordable housing crisis 42 onsite bmr units and give to the mayor's office of housing more $7.2 million additional pledge of allegiance to renovate jackson park our project is several blocks away from jackson park hire a union general contractor to build it and as required by the eastern neighborhoods plan we'll be paying 2. $9 million for the additional $3 million in childcare fees we hope you'll agree that project benefits the entire community and meets the s our architects will talk about that. >> i hope we can get this slide. >> the existing site consists of metal shed warehouses and chain linked fence and other office buildings on 17th street those metal sheds are a continuous wall with expectation to the brick building that believe will be restored and will be the focal point with several buildings spaces on the west the north a squared family play area and two internal courtyards along 17th street the architecture style has been changed in response to public comment and facing 17th street on the west we have the allegiance across from the bottom of the hill to address the noise and the entraps now not in the brick building. >> the courtyard is the separation is between the old building and new construction the brick building will be available for restaurant or bar which can be a vocal point not just for the residents the spaces are long 17th street rather than just residential unit and at the corner a new second story retail building instead of is a 4 story residential building the architectural style it from the neighborhood and on the west going down the pedestrian promenade the building will be a concrete and the residential building above is setback to create a second story data line with the height of the brick building the brick building is composed to be a public use and rankle u restaurant and war so the entire neighborhood can experience the the building on the wetsdz it is an open entrance with an entrance intro through the secure family play area at the corner the retail building it is reduced in height from two to four stories and unique identity for the retailer is unique adjacent are the flex spaces that open on to 17th street so overall did composition completes contextual taller and co-graced concrete and brick and board concrete interning the corner along mississippi street with a second story retail building up to a 4 story residential with the north facing at the corner our second residential liquor the bicycle lobby on to a plaza that joins the 16th street and 17th street project and chris will talk about other issues. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is chris i'm with c ar architects to talk about the project along 16th street and mississippi this is showing the ground level the active uses on all sides of the building n judah 16 residential units to the south and west this is for regional consumers 2, 3, 4 is showing a typical residential level the residential courtyard to lead to the directly to the family play area from studios to two bedrooms and as we starred is it look at the design we looked at carefully at the neighborhood context we were looking at our building on 16th street we were drawn to the wide range of warehouses for inspiration those are buildings in the neighborhood for one hundred plus years simple building with limited ornamental design our goal not to replicate those but have a xhaerg interpretation this is a view from 16th street and the middle-income pedestrian alley the large-scale windows and walls the large step down to the left this is where one of the residential lobbies and residential terraces that help to activate the street blow and a lot of pedestrian alley a setback that was added to the building as part of dialogue with the neighborhood here's a ground level shot a view that shows the same area with the wide area into the alley with the residential balconies above this is from 16th street and mississippi street currently this street is blank walls the contemporary tailor and parking lots our goals to transform 16th street into an active retail with buildings that echo the massing the neighborhood we have a second story retail expression that emphasis the commercial eyed along 16th street this render is the opportunity for entry and a small outdoor plaza the view along mississippi shows the variety the aesthetics and scale that reflective the neighborhood and a public plaza into the family play area my final slide the middle-income alley this will create a wonderful open space after the neighborhood and surrounded by upper level place to help to activate the neighborhood. >> good afternoon. i'm alumni beggar from alumni beggar deslu >> we're to utilize any elements on the site and the site specific art for the project am i done? okay what we did in going through the project those are simple buildings simple industrial sheds built by steel companies that store steel not much to them except incredible steelwork with trees that have technology that have a delicate qualify to them and came up with the idea of utilizing them as trellis that enhances the outdoor public spaces so we've marked the entrances and did middle-income pedestrian alley with those with the intention they'll be grown with vines, flowering etc. the one exception the existing brick building does a nice job of marking that so we didn't do anything it there we eyed it on the dominant corner the 16th street corner there and mississippi to become a vertebral element and become an element that provides the virtual sculpture and signage marks it in sort of a dramatic fashion so there it is. >> the trellis are build of pieces on the site internal revenue beams that are sort of enclosing them essentially no new material from the existing pieces there. >> and the last piece is that on this vertical piece at the corner we've incorporated the old watertank which is kind of an iconic it is visual throughout the 16th street corner if missouri any of you been to hard water a crisis can he bar we used an old light fixtures it is your that was a very large interpretation of that gesture i think the old water piece has a nice quality marks the center of the site we want to find a way to oozed use to restore the smooth base but left the outside we need the penetration the rust as we light that not only lights through the fixture itself that's an interesting piece thank you. >> thank you. >> if that concludes the project sponsor presentation we'll open up for public comment (calling names). >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is a jim mime partner and i own a large property directly facing this proposed project on 12th street corner excuse me - 17th street and texas and a multi unit a 5 unit building at the corner of mississippi and mariposa so we're very concerned in what happens to this area currently we'll have very familiar with the car break-ins and the debris and used furniture the regular graffiti that has as tendency to come up the adjacent block the overall unwelcomed aspects of this region this project is a well-designed family welcoming living space that is sorely needed ♪ san francisco plus the 25 thousand square feet of neighborhood retail is welcomed and i personally go look forward to it >> the attractive and fitting architecture which does well into into the neighborhood historic and industrial role is also been very, very well tlouft we welcomed the activated of the twenty-four hour lights and pride of individual who will live in this project and we also feel the developer josh smith and most importantly his team of professionals heels been able to socially especially it supreme welcoming of feedback as well as recommendations from the neighborhood and also very active in neighborhoods meetings related to this project but also other things occurring in the neighborhood having attended a number of eastern neighborhoods planning meetings and a long term prudent person who will be directly effected by this project i feel this project fits well within the plagues and intent i welcome it to the neighborhood my partner and i wish to express our support for the project and urge you to support it as well. >> thank you. next speaker. however, i'll tell you what if you line up on this side of the room you can cue up. >> i'm not the former mayor he had an emergency i came up i promise to be short my experience of this project comes in 2 ways in if you know where the castro hill and windows josh brought you know project information after project information and talked about it and walks to the window to take a look at it and see what happened down there my experience of his project and the california arts of college not the other ones that did a particular simple kind of process with having us part of input of what they were going to go 80 do to expand those projects will be the i call it the good the bad and the ugly those are the good part we have bad parts of buildings across the street from where this is going to be that built oversized and now i guess entitled by this sidings is it okay to say god awful on 17th street and 16th street so i say yes to every single step that josh as taken driving this project and look forward to what it it is going to mean in our neighborhood thank you. >> thank you. >> game-changer mr. chairman and commissioners my name is my name is art a long time resident of potrero hill and a local politician i wanted to thank you for your service i remember when was i in city hall i spent a lot of time on who will be on your concession commission because the decisions you mange can't be changed long term policies all the other commissions we can change with the next administration that's why i'm here to support this project i have followed it 10 years i've lived on potrero hill for 50 years it is important we continue the altercation of making this a family-friendly neighborhood this project more than any other in the last 10 years doesn't exactly that 3 years of last 6 had no two bedrooms housing and two bedroom were limited this project has more two bedroomss with two full bath than any other project you've approved more two bedrooms united with two full baths than you've approved approved to date and a friendly or frame friendly flexible unit you've heard the developers propose across the street from other commercial entities so that we now have i think one of the new ideas or at least a fresh idea for artists with families to live and work in their home in this project. >> so i respectfully ask you to listen carefully to what the supporters say we need this kind of family-friendly housing this developer has been working hard to listen carefully to all of us and you can't pleas everyone you'll hear opposition to protect but we know what is important to this city advancing family-friendly housing thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my name is a katherine i'm a dog patch resident of 16 years i have been following this and involved ♪ project for 10 of the resident and got to know josh as a founder the education fund and his support of the work anothers daniel webster for the entire time trying to that around and been successful i've heard from the people opposed to this project in the work is josh and his team has done he licensed and reacts i travel the intersection where this project will live both on 17th street and mississippi and 16th street i rode my bike only this is quite a hairball not friendly for anyone whether you're on footed or bike or in a car it is kind of a disaster could use some attention from a traffic stand point beyond this project i'll also say as a founder member of the castro education plan we been tracking the growth of families in the community for quite a few of the and the number of units particularly this project has is mind blowing so many other developers seem to say it is not practical and possible that's showing us it is and in addition to the onsite play space and the pedestrian assess for non-resident it has it all with all that i ask you to please port this project and let it be built thank you >> next speaker, please. >> hello my name is frank i'm the vice president of the castro dog patch merchant association and josh is outreached more than any other developer i've been on the castro hill for 11 years a lot of builds try to rush thing he's great for the community all the fundraisers could josh is there this is the kind of guy we need to develop in our neighborhood. >> good evening members of the board thank you for your time you get tired of hearing about josh but in 10 years i'm with the dog patch neighborhood association not representing it here but we vetted probably 20 different projects in the time i've been there and worked with a lot of them and josh has been the most open to change and the most listening and flexible person that truly want to get the right thing for the neighborhood i have a tremendous amount of respect for that that's why i'm here in support we have to fight with the developers to get any two bedrooms and 22 of them in this project as well as sterilized number of two bedrooms it is more family friendly with a 34r5urgd onsite and the middle-income passage that goes to the damaging even though playground i have seen on the cca is a great benefit and the design we've continued josh has continued working with us to get something that is truly going to be great for the neighborhood in terms of having great architecture we've been firefighter for in dog patch at&t and not always getting and the activation of that area that is very, very important 17th street especially is just there's nothing going on there to activate it and to engage it in the community this project will do that mississippi street needs activation as well and the neighborhood serving retail on 16th street is going to be a tremendous benefit so i encourage you to approve this thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners director rahaim my name is corinne woods i'm a long time neighbor of this neighborhood i've worked with waldon development with josh not only the 10 years he's been working on this project but through the eastern neighborhoods planning process i can echo everything that everyone has said i will say that the biggest concern in the eir for this project and the biggest concern for all of us is the traffic and circulation transportation issues scombrosh has been supportive of all the work we've done particularly particularly on the 16th street and 17th street problem we continue to work with him and planning, and mta open traffic and transportation issues circulation will change once some of the roads in mission bay get build out and ton to follow that to improve the conditions this is an excellent project i hope you'll approve it thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioners ron i've on been on castro hill 10 less than art has 40 years 10 i've been following this project please certify the eir i spoke to you about a couple of weeks ago on 16th street i won't go into to how to had you had occasion on the eastern neighborhoods and the 16th street controlled you have the 17th street corridor the on thing i'll comment in 3 regard was the comments by staff regarding the fact that is is over parked you have to take into consideration not parking on 16th street the transit street and not 0 parking on 17th street the bike lane when you take those things into consideration a little extra porking parking for the neighborhood might be out of line the other things that the family friendly and the basic architecture and the work with lumberg has been able to pit in i'll use a word i learned the historical part of neighborhood has actually been preserved and shown to the public this was an industrial neighborhood this one works. >> my name is andrew gri live in the sunset and want to ask you to support the changes that are encouraged by the people of save the hill they're not saying their against the project but have concerns those concerns are justified i ask you today to support the changes their encouraging what we consider the design aspects of this project. >> >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> alison castro hill responsiblyly this one matters do i have have an opportunity to approve the corner to a liveable complete neighborhood that will be a lasting benefit and define the areas for decades to come or abandon those objectives to market-rate housing development this will have little regard for the open space transit, recreational facilities and neighborhood services and sufficient space to provide jobs for a difference workforce healthy city involves and adapt as they grow and they change and respond in in kind the ooirmz seeks to balance growth over 25 years but instead growth is compressed into short 5 years with no support as you approve the project after project all the evidence shows the eastern neighborhoods plan are clear objectives had never to enforce the goals of a project level with little investment in infrastructure the city failed to hold up our bargain to make sure we center complete neighborhood castro hill and insurance companies showcasing have lost 60 percent of the space and this displaces over one hundred thousand square feet of pdr as for housing the preferred project in 2008, with lapse of $3,000 residential units recent planning analysis as of february projects with three hundred plus projects are completed an environmental review this project with three hundred plus with zero pdr is the one that brings us over the top we need to activity the battle to accommodate a large proposition of small businesses with neighborhood services and pdr maker components the metal shed alternative is environmentally aspire alternative with a balance mixed use and additionally through the adapt active use it honors the neighborhood industrial path while inviting a unique space your consideration to ton to the point of no return and approve this or take a deep breath and insist open a responsibly development that is a legacy and benefit to the neighborhood for years to come. >> good afternoon. i'm janet a resident of dog patch a member of the dog patch neighborhood association and the potrero boosters i'd like to concur with the previous speakers the eastern neighborhoods rezoning has gone overboard we need to take a and can you help me out with the green space and the public transportations that is not very good at all in our neighborhood with that said, i have been following this project for 10 years and i do think that i'm happy they're keeping the brick building on i think 17th street the small building intact not just as a wall facade and we have worked with them to provide the 3 two bedrooms unit that is pretty much every other developer has told you they can't do it afford the people don't want it we keep on asking for more two bedrooms and this project is doing that also, we do still need to keep parking in our neighborhood i'm not in favor of our per 7 parking spaces the public tramples infrastructure is not allowing us to work perhaps in 5 or 10 years we need parking i'm happy with the public walkway greenway connecting our flat land and dog patch to further north we need every bit of green space we learned from working with the planning department serve years ago was that we are to by previous calculations get more open space like a park and, in fact, not one new park with all the thousands and thousands eve new people coming in into an area not much parkland that's smug need to consider coming forward soon gups a nice big open space park mommy we've been working with the planners to try to get the walk throughs and keep the green space coming but still kind of small the other thing as far as the design i'm happy to see the two architects this helps united parcel service get projects project that looks at individual and not one large monumental project i support this project and hope you will thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm rodriquez a korpd of save the hill this 3 nature is a gateway location to the potrero hill neighborhood the developers proposals squanderers an opportunity to treat it as such it is larger than the nearby shakz has a significant impact on the potrero hill neighborhood numerous meetings and steven outreach for the past few years have priorities along with the following modifications one reduce height and scale and mass of scombrooit building that is oversized with the residential and small business character of castro hill the building takes design accuses from mission bay and fails to make a distinction between large mission bay institutional building with the potrero hill go residential neighborhood in fact, the project is a prime example of mission bay creep as currently dined city the project sponsor it ignores the showcasing and policies to respective the typography and lower heights on the sesdz of 16th street as call the roll proposed it as a canyon effect loan 16th street two increase the public open space we'd like the north south pedestrian alleyway widened throughout the site and like the east west gated in a publicly assessable way and tloo 3 the conceptually designs were with the chairs those should be improved to make the metal warehouses in the design rather than treat that as afterthoughts the project sponsor squanderers opportunity to treat the sensitive location as an important gateway into the neighborhood and for you with the diversity of projects we want more commercial use like approve or disapprove and trade shop space and finally the eir has the shed alternative transportation save the hill supports those alternative transportation for choice on behalf of save the hill i ask you to do the right thing and make this more respective of our neighborhood and reminder the safe the hill submitted a petition with three hundred plus hundred signers our grassroots groups enjoys 8 hundred are supporters they say save the hill it is a small and dedicated group we're dedicated but certainly not small thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is richard hudson i've also on mississippi street for 48 years ago i've seen a lot of changes and there is another one coming down the pike while i'm generally supportive of development i like i was in that business when i was a working person but i would like to support all of the comments and concerns that have been expressed by the safe the hill i want to bring your attention to the 16th street building which in effect creates a can john effect but if that building were to be redesigned it looks like must not structures instead of one wall it would, improved i do support the metal shed alternative transportation pause it reduces the density and scope of the project so i just ask you to consider those things in your deliberations often approval of this i think 16th street site should be setback in the drawing thank you. >> hi my name is a jan i've also on potrero over 20 years i want to tell you a story i decided to go down damaging even though the most massive disgusting piece of architecture i've seen i walked into the at large office and 2/3rd's is empty so here we have another high density housing project you guys have approved has gone up over 2/3rd's empty people are not lining up there is a woman on castro that is a fixture of the hill her name is trisha he was evicted and went to damaging even though and paying $2,800 a month she had to enter a lottery her number did not within there you have that and 28 hundred is not enough to live in damaging even though in a studio my question to josh how much is a 3 unit going to go for i have to tell you down at live mission about a 2 two bedrooms is two to four - there's no way that will be 3 dudes or maybe a woman that lives behind a computer for 18 hours a day that is the kind of clinic tell that had been renting this high density housing there is high density housing going up everywhere i walk my dog on 1010 their everywhere we don't need this i'm for the dog patch active reuse in the heritage to keep the character of the hill i've lived there over 20 years 24 years - i'm so opposed to this i'm having anxiety over this this is two blocks away i rely on street parking where are the people going to park when damaging he will will get filled where will they park they can't park ash 16th street and 17th street i know you guys are more into shuttle papers but not not here he appreciate you look at me okay. >> and also i'd like to say you know maybe the people that are not people don't work for josh maybe paid off by him maybe we are telling you the truth we experience the gridlock everyday i experience the parking situation everyday i love architecture by the way. >> good afternoon, commissioners jerold i think that is save to say that project means a lot to a lot of people that is between the micro concerns and some of the macro concerns with the eastern neighborhoods plan and this project which - it's location and size and in the pipeline brings this bridge together josh predates me in the booster he's a wonderful guy we love josh we hope he stays in charge but to make that building fit in better with the community there are small things to accomplish and the approval to get us there the booster have's not taken a formal post-office box there is no a lot of differences of opinion but your committee came up with a few small things first of all, we appreciate the change in the design and it's evolution the materials 2 has come to rb9 better the neighborhoods so that's a positive comment and on the macro we're glad that josh contributed to the open space groups and continuing to make open space donations but to the little things we address one of the activity along 17th street the project changes or changed the unit to be flex unit we see that has a positive change and it would be better if in their dedicated pdr dedicated to remain at 130116th street we appreciate the flex we know there is concern they'll, by reciprocal i urge you to consider that if our dislikes and environmental clean up protocol a single contributor point of contact there could be mitigation planned meetings the neighborhoods are involved in what is going on go with the construction and how this goes we request that is part of the approve and late i have to defer with some of my colleagues and neighbors parking is discriminate a new parking into showcasing that alleviates the 16th street we thought that keep kept the parking we're redoing parking in castro hill to get rid of the meter last time we had a presentation from sarah and wade about the transportation and as we looked at how we can keep one of the mother k34e7b8d intersections in our city with caltrain and 16th street, 17th street, mississippi sdprshgs clear as we va have all the development i ask you deny the request to not increase the parking spaces thanks. >> game-changer commissioners my name is judy i'm representing friends of jackson park we ask inform green space and family-friendly hours in our neighborhood i'm confused about the family-friendly housing place i thought there were 14 not 22 three bedrooms therapy at the minimum of 4 polluting plus i know this is true with that said, we're not an anti development it is our preference for the working groups i currently them at the park given the amount of building and constructions to everyday life with the projects in our neighborhood we feel that they can and should do to bring community benefits to potrero hill to that end i'm pleased to say the project sponsor has promised one million dollars to give to jackson once this project is settled we thank them and hope they'll continue to work with us to raise the additional million dollars we're only 3 blocks away from their project and it will be the space there are hundreds of residents will come and we're looking for 100 percent development and we're glad to have them join now i'll turn my remarks as you may know the eastern neighborhoods has several oifbdz with the streets and open space part of their plan few have survived the open space for the parks for the open spaces should beautify the neighborhood and strengthen the will environment and friends of jackson is looking to strengthen that we want real open space so we would like to see side passage ways they've inward to 22 to be two grarnth spaces and not just a walkway and the east west passage open to not just to the private but it would be great to the mariposa project widened on ungated the pedestrian walkways friends of jackson park we like the youth alternative with the final eir we think that is helpful and speaking of make sense our neighborhood finally get a new open space open damaging even though and now this project might shadow it for several months a why doesn't make sense we would like to see the support of north side of the building for the reduction of height or setback we ask you to consider all the residents both current. >> thank you. >> hi my name is rick hall live 90 on potrero hill and member of all the committees you've heard about i support metal shed alternative you don't know i don't like that word it didn't sound nice but alternative reviews is the only way, however, i say this project is neither necessary and desirable at this time when the e m plan were approved now we see many of the plan it had no concept of pace we naturally assumed residential development will take place evenly now seven years into the plan we see visually all the residential units con soepd seefdz in the plan are in the short time pipeline for approval and 2/3rd's of pdr lots contemplated in the plan is pipelineed into the first seven years and now understand we cannot it afford this much pdr loss while also keeping a balanced population with adequate blue-collar opportunities and clearly new we see that umu zoning hsa as implemented is a failure the true mixed use concept as part of the new rezoning until the end and this language disappeared without clear reason or community knowledge we now see the infrastructure improvements needed to make the plan viable cannot took place or keep pace with the offer paced development a recent survey is shows one 24ird the residents are contemplating leaving within 3 years because the costs and congestion this likely applies to the green plan resident also i live in potrero i can afford to stay but till looking to leave in the 3 year timeframe the city is becoming unattractive an urban liveable for me the poorly executed over paced prelims of the plan is responsible just too much too fast and the consequences are that respect a city with 8 percent of the residents can afford the luxury units you're building a plan that can't be managed to the housing balance we committed to a city agreed does not take into account the social economic impacts of its acts we speak the language of economics with social impacts are ignored our actions seem to say greed is good and - >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is cashing i'm a resident of castro hill and i'm going to be reading a letter from ruth miller who lives on mariposa. >> commissioners, i respectfully urge the planning commission to reject this thing development as currently proposed and encourage a moiftsd proposal one that prioritize long-term and diverse benefits for over developers up upscale housing with the sensitivity to the environment the history and the neighborhood infrastructure to address did existing let alone rapidly development while mr. smith neither a resident of castro hill nor a san franciscan can sell this development as soon as he secures entitlement others of us have to live with willful and pathways by this wall like development please consider how modest and creative restrictions to the towering height and massive bulk that transformers the principal proonl from a eyesore that disables fingers the top gaffe to a gateway to the neighborhood and meaningful link 29 between it's past and present the current proposal is egregiously out of scale with the neighborhood and an architectural two wrongs not making a right it has damaging even though places monolithic slab rather than providing craft and xhekts that can be provided juxtaposeed against you further the massive scale casts shadows on including damaging even though park the respite to damaging even though 16th street facade the towering impact of the proposed project can he grades the aesthetics one that combines the big sky openness in a hellish rain and natural and human beauty of later we rely on krr9 urban planning with the height and scale and various seethes of the hills elevation the unique look of castro hill is part of the courage capital and contributes to the quality of life i urge the commissioners to consider this development which could be modified in consideration of the otz yield impacts thank you, ms. miller. >> good afternoon. my name is a shawn i'm a resident on area of the homeowners association and castro hill responsibility i'll opposed to the current proposal of the development in castro hill due to the negative impacts hitting us evidence everyday we have department numbers and this project is the tipping point that surpasses the eastern neighborhoods for housing estimates to be achieved bye bye 2025 nunth of - i'm encouraged the support of metal shed alternative transportation under which all the existing warehouses on site would, remained and refreshed and reused thereby respectfully our unique neighborhood character at the traditional industrial space now i'll speak from the heart of someone that loves castro hill with the project sponsor and friends of family-friendly housing i'll point out 14 three bedrooms and 40 want 5 percent are two bedrooms the rest are luxury apartment. to single contributor high-end professional or child also couples not family housing and freshly for the project sponsor to say that where will the kids play after 3 years of coming to our thursday meetings and i'm deeply disappointed our - as we're committed residents on potrero hill there's a complete failure to told her the development until the promised community benefits to be able to support this we're angry and furious we say this is ugly apartment that offer no benefits to the neighborhood i predict that today your commission will do as usual and ignore ignore the examiners and make the wrong decisions i predicted you'll see and if you do that has predicted we are prepared finally with retained council to sue your commission to get the point across thank you shawn >> game-changer commissioners so to speak an a as a concerned citizen i've not heard about a potential liveable workable space i'm happy to hear that is under consideration we'll owned and operated oppose this is i'll read my letter we request you have a one by one replacement of pdr says that the supreme loss of pdrs will come back to haunt us if we're not - some may argue it is underway once again we request this commission take into consideration the negative impacts of the presidio on hiring and one of the unstable areas the city the mayor's office released a study to keep a range of jobs and keep a more balanced economy how we can do that if we allow the pdr loss approximately insist the developer change the flaw in the design instead of spec retail on the ground floor spectacle affordable for commercial uses keep the bottom floor flexible to shift over time you this is not working we need a new zoning designation with flexible use or maybe there is one in the city that can be applied as prop c is requesting a remove the unaffordable requirement and more discretion of the board of supervisors in rakts to the change in the economy we may need more flexibility in the bottom floor commercial space the potrero hill has a wide range of uses the turnover in the neighborhood making that one of the more stable castro hill was a successful community that should be preserved and this property effects 2 of the most important streets in the neighborhood that connects to the rest of the city this plan needs more work and please don't pass that thank you. >> hello my name is july 4th i'm more optimistic than shawn i think this is a interesting opportunity you have you have an eir that actually studied a viable alternative and you have a community that was very engaged in development of the middle shed alternative i'd like to talk about and also you this is kind of the first impression in terms of the traffic management going forward and you have this intersection which is just the embodiment of multi modes of transportation and figure out how to support this. >> i have a couple of things to address one is multi modal transportation and the other one- so the project proponent i enforce the shed before an planning but given the proponent i strongly object have not proposal to take 5 feet of 16th street to expand the sidewalk instead of ranking the building away from the existing sidewalk this is 17 hundred square feet that they need to comply with better streets and pedestrian right-of-way and they're proposing basic they made 16th street more near and 16th street is very useful for all sorts of modes of transportation the other thing we want you to do the exception from the on-street parking loading and putting a loading zone here this area is extremely dangerous i witnessed it everyday you have - it is beyond yeah. i need to use my time more quickly pursue don't create more hazards please deny that and also there is a credible amount of toxics in 2, 3, 4 area because of it's historic use and i wrote in any comment letter there was a whole week of a bunch of days at thirty mile-per-hour winds and no enforcement now in terms of the current construction in terms of stopping construction activities during windy periods i submitted this in any written comments and urge you guys to look at enforcement of protecting neighbors from dust during construction thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. boss. >> good afternoon, commissioners i certainly agree this is a project that has been well vetd with all the community and thereer certain percentages prlgz i can't please all the time this is a fine project i do say i've been following that corner for probably 25 years since it was owned by someone eastern neighborhoods is not a perfect solution and has problems we're talking about you talk about pdr, etc., etc. etc. and then there has to be continued work on this so by you know this is not this project is not deavoid of pdr and also i understand that the planning commission in the city is somewhat aware of that by approving the project which is in conjunction at this time with the cca that allows pdr in a bringing building so i think we can't say that the city is not doing absolutely nothing or anything and confined to it as far as affordability i hate to say this a designation for too many people and drives the prices i'm fortunate ii figure out dog patch was a good place to live 34 years ago so the only thing positive my house is worth 4 the as much, however, i never thought about the traffic and had a hard time getting out of your garage so you know you take with the good with the bad i do think josh has been attending i attend a whole love neighborhood things and planning commission and so forth i always found josh to be taking notes and making changes to his plans he's engaged two extremely good architecture am firms first time out of shoot when he was trying to work with kaiser kaiser didn't go forward because kaiser got a good deal at mission bay that's a bad place for traffic compared to having it here but you know - the mission bay has some eir and so forth i'm totally frightened by usf and we have to make that comment that they don't have to comply with anything in the city their a state agency they don't pay property tax or impact fees except we'll try that's i look forward to this project >> thank you, sir. >> good afternoon commissioners john well another thursday and a market-rate project wow. i'm sure right thing to doed approved as part of the departments obviously relentless caption to destroy pdr especially the affordable pdr that is disappearing i've told you a dozen times and what your priority the baseline you'll approve with the market-rate housing we know parking even though this project is a short 4 or penn 10 minute walk from the thousands and thousands of places like the housing but the department the retail center rather than pdr prioritize let's more hip restaurant the one hundred we got last year is not enough your actions you know argue what you approved is what you probably want and your actions speak for whatever words you come up with we poll the voters periodically on developments and last month we polled their opinion been the planning department and planning commission about the growth of the future and your approval rating is 32 and this approve is 4 your below the board of supervisors and the mayor in the charter allowed us to put a recall you'd be fired you're failing the city so, please don't plain to me when you find us resorting we have to take that route to guide the city's future because to meet the needs of the people of san francisco today because you're not and this particular have you do issue is stretching across the board >> next speaker, please. >> i'm ronnie moved to castro hill 14 years ago mile concern of the degradation of the opportunity being missed not to have an architecturely interesting project which draws people to the community in the neighborhood the reuse of debris bus station was an interesting example what can be accomplished rather than massive scale and massive traffic, massive unnecessary building that has been take place here now, when i stand on any street texas street i realize this castro hill has a gentle earth to wall 2 in it is happening damaging even though a perfect example is completely wrong to move a wall close is doubly wrong you able you to reject this project the hill has an alternative in the long run it is more interesting architecturally and create for unity in castro hill thanks. >> good afternoon. i'm james a castro hill resident and a research scientists in the ucsf i walk to work and everyday he walk from my house on pennsylvania to the hall to ucsf that is fantastic stierdz the thing i want to talk about what is going on mississippi 17th street and 16th street the traffic there it is already unbearable every afternoon there is gridlock all the way to townsend street and so what i wonder is what happens when we have another her density housing development right at the corner of mississippi and 16th street i have not heard any litigation plans for traffic in this area the on thing there is a business running along 16th street i think that is going to mitigate the problems that we'll have where we have this large housing complex so the question is, you know, what do we do? i think one solution to this is to just limit the number of housing units according to what is available with the infrastructure so our infrastructure i would propose to you can't support this housing development and i would strongly urge the planning department to be more i don't know what your confusions with the mta but i think that overall development strategy in the city consider this is as whole so not only housing everybody knows we need housing there is a lot of people moving to san francisco no question the question though to develop the housing and at the same time have a infrastructure that supports this housing and so far as i know, that i talk to believe we have not come to the solution so i strongly urge to consider this project in the context of the infrastructure that is available thank you >> good afternoon. i'm joe butler the architect i've been coming to the planning commission for thirty years it seems to me not a moment like this one there is an ifd a metal sheds building that plays a significant roll in the rebuilding by it's ability to frame steel building downtown with the after the 1906 san francisco earthquake mr. global patrick the owner the mills was the for man at the previous rolling mills at potrero point and served uninterrupted to the time he was given the material and machinery to take to the new site and located at the corner of texas and 17th street in the years that followed patrick and his son edward built a business from the people from the old firm and integrating new hires from a limiting trade school that if they didn't build it themselves at least made the steel frame for it and he is a friend of mine and in order to have an industrial san francisco draw and execute the steel frame as those men saw as a the future their future is our future and to turn our back on that building no better pdr space if san francisco, california bar none and the buildings on 16th street and mississippi should be retained, the housing should be tucked into the site between what used to be texas street and points west this is the fabric our that put together san francisco general hospital in order to do that he had to build railroad tracks from his plant up to castro avenue to bring the steel to that site san francisco grow and philosophized because the men had the ability tool make structures we've not seen before now what we we are doing pouring concrete we're in zone 4 when we have another big won those buildings will be damaged over the years this building has modified to a bunch of uses that's why in the dark of the knitted at the end of the day one of our commission said this is not historic it changed in appearance that's the point of a factory building i want you in support of melting shed and reuse alternative thank you for your time. >> okay is there any additional public comment? >> okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i guess for instance i hope since we'll be doing separate votes on the eir and the project we've limit our comments to one and another this will go faster a couple of points first there are times up here it may look like we're not paepgsz one of the speakers said our hours your throwing stuff at us we have paperwork come on over the railing and put 24 into a coherent process to ask questions that make sense and form opinions and have a logicalic, i.e., i was not looking i was taking notes it looks like confusion as to what the a laxative no a conditional use to my knowledge and necessary and desirable and compatible doesn't apply to the specific approval and then the third thing in terms of trying to understand the eir and the make sure of the context of this project in the planning eir i mentioned and some of the comments the speakers made in terms of lawsuits and initiative i look at the paper i think it came in a day ago and have questions i'll start with any questions on the eir in terms of the planning or maybe provide ms. jones some context there were 3 sorry on the planning eir step back on the planning eir there was a abc alternative ; right? so which one was actually chosen and the ranks of development that was forecast. >> good afternoon, commissioners sarah jones environmental review officer the eir analyzed 3 instead of having a simple preferred project and alternative transportation instead destined is analyzed 3 potential rezoning as far as they are concerned, at a level of detail actions abc the i'll skip ahead which one was adopted what was adopted sierra club a rezoning story between alternative b.c. that deferred in regards to how much pdr land exclusively pdr land will be provided versus how much land would be housing would be permitted and so each of the rezoning options predicted or projected a certain amount of residential development and a certain amount of non-residential development and pdr loss all the options are an exception of alternative a resulted in significant impacts related r related to pdr and no adaptation keeping the same zoning and allowing the development to occur will result in a significant amount of pdr loss in terms of the actual numbers i believe wade or chris thomas is prepared to go over what those numbers were. >> from please. >> you can speak about the eastern neighborhoods and talk about the showcasing. >> i'm looking in the response to comments on page - well, there's a whole section an impact fees and the number of units and the number that is entitled in the pipeline i have the number kind of written down but go ahead. >> sure so in terms of the options as sarah was saying option c 3rek9 the net housing units were the highest i'll give you the numbers. >> is 9 thousand 858 option c and b-7 thousand 384 and option a was 9 thousand 15 units currently total analyzed for the eastern neighborhoods in our ceqa documents those are their active under review and those are cases now closed is 9 thousand 749. >> so it is quite close to the highest number of opposition c. >> so let's assume we certify the eir and approve this project in 8 away from the top 9854 with a proxy with nine hundred more unit next week what happens we certify other eir what do we do. >> this is all new i think that is public is interested in understanding this as well. >> i can answer that question so remember those projects were analyzed in the eir were used for the basis of saefgdz the impacts we projected a certain amount that we were 3rek9 would occur under 2025 and assessing what the physical environmental impacts and took the residential unit and not that i recall and figured out how much population that translated and assessed the impacts of adding that population so you know one piece of it operationally is that we are you know continuing to look at the impact have added population looking at the growth as a whole you know we'reracking both residential and non-residential but matching up and making sure the impact assessment is covered ; right we're looking at the impacts of the population that had been added. >> great. >> the second piece we have continuing been updating our analysis with new information coming in and also with new programs that have been put into place you know in the 8 years sing eastern neighborhoods was approved weer taking a look at in our impact analysis and accessing the new impacts we're aware of we couldn't have been aware of at the time of the plan we had had environmental impact work we're making sure the eastern neighborhoods analysis on a pragmatic level with the cumulative impacts is still relevant that is what is in the context if we reach the point the project impacts are not accurately covered at that pragmatic level then we not be able to issue a c pe. >> do you do that as at overall level or the sub level if you have an x number of units does that get thrown into the total. >> since we're really looking at the impacts around the project site and making sure that the project is not raising new impacts not covered the sub level area is the more relevant for some topic areas like public services recreation and transit those kinds of - >> could we look at the population. >> to follow up as explaining the total projected population under the eastern neighborhoods plan was 23 thousand 974. >> was that option c. >> no, it was the total population for . >> could we go by option like on the units. >> we don't have that broke down this is a through c population total so 23 thousand plus to 33 thousand 26. >> okay. this is what was proenld and the analysis the ceqa documents the range 23 plus to 25 thousand plus. >> non-residential development do you have a rang we do the non-residential development option a was that million dollars plus. >> okay. >> option b-4 disquiet and will option c-6 million square feet. >> where are reauto right now, we're at total analyzed 2 million applause. >> great do you have pdr office as well handy. >> we do under option a a total of 5 hundred plus square feet that was predicted to be lost. >> okay. >> option b-2 million plus square feet that was lost. >> option c-4 millions square feet plus. >> and we're at. >> right now, we're at one millions plus and one. >> so then a question i will have if we're looking at the impacts i know those are all analysis data points so is there a formula that is use if we are looking at the impacts for residents it is is certain fraction of units on the loss what is the formula you say we've exceeded is there a formula in ceqa that calls for something like that. >> i'd like to have that if ceqa gave that guidance you know we do not have - we - i conducted our review based on our professional experience and our judgment and the data the data that generated we - we did not have a clear bright line this eir will that note work our topic areas we've supplemented the analysis for things population b we came in and talked about the splimentd the analysis. >> but i wanted to address one point that was raised in the comments that was i know we have a certain amount of the development in the pipeline if this project is approved we've exceeded the projections and i do want to correct one issue that might not be clear behind that that was the pipeline as recorded in all of this does include this project and to conclude some of the projects have been approved the number of projects that have actually pulled building permits is much smaller. >> and that is the hard data we'll use. >> we have that information and are tracking that information just to try to predict when the units are going to come online and be there our feeling we'll have we've not - while it is very true we have a large number of units in our pipeline and that many people acted on the eastern neighborhoods plan zoning changes kind of all at the same time it is if you look at the horizon that is 2025 we are not far off some of the projects that are submitted are many months away from assigned to a plan. >> there is a timing thing on the floor. >> yes. >> so looking at backwards which does this all baseline get started can you give us a baseline. >> the projections in the eir and analysis was saying what is the amount of development that will occur as a result of this rezoning we looked at the second impacts with the eastern neighborhoods with the project was the rezoning sworn looking additional development that could be electricity and occur you know to occur flat rezoning so the developments that was approved prior to the plan, which was not relying on the rezoning was iowa's not attributed to the plan in terms of the projections so our projections are were looking at forward from post plan adaptation that means that 2008 which is the year that the plan was approved is developments after the plan approval we're counting against those projections. >> our baseline in 2008, didn't include projects in 2006 and i. >> this was the development this is the confusions the baseline in the eir the development on the ground at that time, under construction at the time the eir was in preparation was put out a certain amount of development between the notice of preparation for the eir and the actual adoption of the plan that development was part of the cumulative analysis for the plan but not part of the eastern neighborhoods project we're counting whether the eastern neighborhoods impact analysis has that department not part of it. >> so in line with the permit where is that slowed down. >> in the pipeline with no approval i mean the reality the projects that were in process at this point by and large needed the plan to be able to go forward or have preceded as such, if they went forwards under the old zoning not counts under the plan. >> so after the entitlement was granted is that where you draw the line. >> there was certain pipeline projects we're not counting these towards the development but they were ones going forward under the old role not under the new role that's the old rule. >> one or two more questions. the city attorney we have letters a question, please approve the project with over riding considerations and we must adapts those with the litigation measures any comments did you see the letter mirena burns i can't comment but your question is about the project and what requires ceqa has in terms of the project approval so you know this is as with any project an irreverence you first have to certify environmental impact report as adequate and reading all the standards and requirements of ceqa once you've done that in adapting the ceqa finding for the project you'll have to make a number of finding under ceqa first of all, for any identified significant impact you'll look to whether you impose the mitigation measures recommended in the eir if for any reason not to do that you'll have to make the specific finding why it is equal assume you're going to oppose them then you'll do this through our adaptation the mitigation letter and reporting program you also, if you were going to approve the project reject the reject them you can do it if you lay >> the social jeopardy policy reasons for finding the alternative to, infeasible and put out not ceqa finding that are included newer our packet under 15 a then finally in order for the project to identify significant unavoidable packet make a statement eve overriding considerations that report your decision that despite the fact the project has significant committal impacts you'll have significant policy movements for approving the project and the policy reasons can be technical social basic all the policy reasons for approving the project with significant eir if you make the finding you can approve the project the finding are in our motion under the ceqa finding item 15 a. >> my final question we heard additional potential metal shed reuses, etc. from my understanding not a feasible way to do that where is the analysis around the feasibility come from project sponsor or have a financial deal with the numbers what is required there. >> commissioner christensen planning wade the senior planner ceqa requires if economic finding are made which the project sponsor put forth that a financial feasibility shoed u study must be conducted individually reviewed and we did that here so the planning department staff with the expertise and reviewing performas reviewed the report and concurred with the finding and additionally in terms of the she had the significant impacts in the eir was related to intersection levels of service the metal shed we use alternative is addressing other changes to the project there are not significant impacts that are addressed by the metal shed reuse alternative we want to commend raise that point. >> sorry. >> further clarification sarah is correct but the melting shed reuse lengthen else's the pdr impact so there 9 alternative transportation pdr impacts only the metal shed has a less of an impact. >> it will not be feasible. >> correct. >> thank you. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much i'm thinking that because of the questions that commissioner vice president richards has i think we're moving close to the project itself i know that the final eir for this project is sufficient and it includes a lot of information with the analysis even though this eir would not be under that way of the changes for the los so i'm going to make a motion to certify the eir and what the conversation around the project i think there is valid ordinances that we can tend to discuss about the project itself and about the metal shed reuse and the density alternatives that are listed in the internal revenue i think the analysis of the alternative transportation are sufficient second. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. he agree i think that the eir is very accurate and adequate but i the president to bring you think a quite a few of things ♪ issue it comes back i did reading and zeroing in on the issue of number of units in zalewski and other things that were spoken about i think you talked about an analysis of much to showplace square - it didn't mean it is declared mentally approved or approved for building permitted or like that but of that number 1836 permits so just because something in theoretical in the pipeline i know some projects they never actually make it to us for the approval process if their fraufd they don't get built he ever every single building is in the project in the process including this one is actually approved and built we'll be below what was analyzed and the same thing applies to the population figure that was something like 9 thousand 8 hundred and in terms of population and apparently those in the pipeline are seven hundred plus quite a bit below and also particularly with non-residential uses a million seven hundred thousand with 630553 speaks for itself that's the important issue the other thing that is for the day or night december 19, 2000, that's when the eir eastern neighborhoods came in being so 134ig missing that was approved for or analyzed before that point is something that was under the m y zoning so you got to compare apples to apples and what was actually analyzed and for the eastern neighborhoods this is with reference to a particular area and once again when we do alternative transportation alternative transportation we are obligated not to consider alternative transportation it is impossible this was stated by staff and just because nevertheless of less sdruchs not the impact that the part of project that should be approved one can say if we have ceqa one hundred and 50 years ago they were thinking about putting in golden gate park possible alternative transportation it went as far as cross over driveways and i know environmentally less invasive for the stench footing outburst to pacific ocean but not the most preferable way to go i agree with the analysis of staff that there's been many entertainment commission's and sheds not representative of what they were when they were functional sheds those are you think staff did a great job and in terms of traffic analysis taking into account what the traffic will be and this project is factoring in and realizing we're going from los to vehicle miles travels in the future but even used vehicle miles traffic the impact of the higher level is not comparable to the vehicle traffics the traffic is 3 to 4 or early in the morning people are not moving around very much and a lot of it is traffic where people do live near but the people are using the area as conduit to get to other areas and that's what's happening it is very well done and supportive of eir >> commissioner moore. >> i have a question does the eastern neighborhood identify in any pdr building with historic protection in a manner that people at that time are considering it as being it needs to be reduced not talking about the american cap building the converted enough towards a strong pdr use i'm talking about more like hard pdr core buildings. >> there were buildings identified the known and historic resources were in all of the eastern neighborhoods plan areas were identified in the eir and age eligible buildings were identified there was a sixth impact on historical resources identified as a result of the eastern neighborhoods area plan so it was presumed that the development would result in demolition of historic resources not that i'm aware of of specifically pdr buildings that were identified as being - this should remain in pdr uses in order to residential their interrelating, however, i want to chris thomas to clarify the historic status of the project site as identified in the eastern neighborhoods eir because the it is my belief and chris correct me if i am wrong or gretchen from our preservation staff that the brick warehouses be building inspection was identified in the eastern neighborhoods pdr as a historic resource. >> so the office building is not in is sense a pdr type of building. >> i'd like chris or gretchen to come and discuss the historic status of the building. >> or wade wade with the department. >> the eastern neighborhoods - there was a lot of history of the history of the building the eastern neighborhoods eir identified a portion of the site potentially could be historic they didn't specifically talk about related to pdr use and i'll concur with sarah not that i'm aware of of the building that were identified through the eastern neighborhoods eir was identified because of their - they were not identified as hectic historic - the site itself after the eastern neighborhoods eir there was further analysis that came prosecute the historic preservation commission that identified a office building was historic and not other buildings that is also unrelated to retaining pdr use in the future >> the reason why i'm asking it we're applying ourselves again and again to no ground to stand on it happens again and again and again milestone my entire time in san francisco only one larger warehouses - this is the only one we have a cannery and deli square turning into something else based on what was there in the eastern neighborhoods we have hardly anything we have a leg to stand on here in the commission only conforms to the economic discussion it is about economic value and we use fitting the project of the developer we are losing out agreement and the reason for any question is there really anything in the eastern neighborhoods which is presevereable and reusable even as the history that that mr. butler has a story about a person who did certain things at a certain time but in and of itself that story is not enough to preserve the building. >> well, for this building specifically the conclusion - the historic resource evaluation report agrees with mr. butler's history of the building of the conclusion of the building itself has under gotten a lot of modifications since it's period of the significance to no longer retains authenticity dignity so essentially broken the link which is an important part of site and what exists there now. >> the reuse as a piece of memory are a piece of recognizing the importance the structure as much as we can do this is well done i think that is better done in many other buildings of that you're saying that's all - >> i'm only able to speak to the ceqa conclusions under ceqa there is not a basis to say the building has to be preserved or retained in the use in order to what is significant environmental impact we'll see under ceqa about it you know the assessment of the best that can be done not further retention of the building wasn't not go further towards the resources the building no longer residence integrity as a resource. >> schematics. >> i guess a question to commissioner moore into my preservation then to my brain the aspects of district that are in the response to the comments pages one hundred 23 and 24 the question of the integrity of design and setting back and the district of workmanship is there a formula the dignity of the materials is the reason why not the historic preservation commission acted because they did shed was the metal was added to it in the warehouse - is that the main reason it if pass the test. >> mirena burns they underwent- the mill opted out the site and alternated for a glass company from the melting shed to exposure or endorse them to metal glass for the metal sheds and adding the material around the perimeter of the buildings and so we felt that there was significant changes that happened specifically to the buildings that pa made them no longer maintain the integrity to maintain the site. >> the question going down that i'm thinking of the gray shed a different color but a large kind of balloon structure looks to me last week an open heart furtherance i came from pennsylvania if we ripped 9 co-gaited metal off that building is it concrete. >> possibly 3 has structure appearance on the revolver that is was it is. >> okay. >> so it still as integrity. >> we look at it in the current condition so other buildings you make alternative transportation but restore it and reevaluate it it maybe have dignity but unde ceqa we have seen the changes. >> you on the changes that happened to the this on the inside say if we took the co-gaited and have a. >> i've not observed much of the interior but from the outside there is build outs inside but not open on the inside maybe from the project sponsor. >> one of the things to point out the original building handbag inform walls great. >> it was an open shed. >> so we took it off and - >> okay. >> okay. thank you. >> there is a motion that has been seconded to certify the environmental impact report shall i call the question? very good commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner wu and commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously. >> okay. so the matter of the project. >> commissioner wu. >> so staff talk about the upcoming open space project in the meadow vicinity of the project. >> chris planning department staff i know somewhat about the improvement impacts just a minute so i think the most direct is the 22 fillmore priority transit and part of mta's muni forward program and the 22 line that runs on 16th street street, you know, is part of the you know one of the main elements that includes transit lanes and island with traffic signals and pedestrian safety upgrades staff was in order citywide staff had the architect and you know planned for this improvement improvement to their dimensions have in what the final plans will be improvements both along 16th street and 17th street was kind of led to their sort of consolidation of vehicle traffic that a site it con strains you separate from this proposal but responded to. >> any i'm responder to the question of the structure keeping with residential development is it the plan focused on damaging even though across the street. >> so jaufks is in the vicinity in the broader vicinity not in the direct part but the second actually, the largest open space in the broader neighborhood. >> just one clarifying question that came up in public comment what's the number of three bedrooms and the number of two bedrooms i will clarify that. >> can i put that up on the scene. >> so on the title sheet to be clear about the pragmatic numbers of this project as a whole so in this chart as you can see the 1200 17th street and as 90116th street in the columns the totally in the third column the total number of three bedrooms it is 14 between both projects the confusion was that after the packet was published did project sponsor had communication with the neighborhood group and receptive to the count although not submitted in terms of plan that is where the sponsor to elaborate on. >> so is sounds like the project sponsor is open to that to reflect that. >> correct. >> thank you. >> commissioner hillis. >> excuse me - >> so i think we've heard a lot this is helpful but put them into two broad categories one there were specifically issues will the issues itself with the architect and two kind of the growth that is happening we certainly seen we're familiar two the faces from potrero hill and seen them here talking about the eastern neighborhoods plan is being implemented but so first, i want to take the project itself and talk about some of the issues that came up about the project first i think we've also i've been on the commission for 4 years and tracking or heard or seen iterations of this project through the entire time and i want to say i think that is improved dramatically i think that is one of the better projects that is earth architecturally seen this 17th street does the fact not two architects designing two different buildings but breakdown almost 5 distinct buildings a large kind of 16th street building and then the historic building on 17th street and two hour buildings are connected by breezeways very much distinct not to attempt to change the facade to make the buildings different they are and a little bit lessen is 16th street side it is monolithic i like the break it is wider than it has to be i think the pedestrian passageway works in a good connection i i get it the point of opening the east west not an area that people want to travel but worked out to get to dagget on the hill that is a good part of project and will work so my two architectural issues one there ability to break up 16th street facade more in a authentic way it is a long facade there and you do change kind of after that break and kind of reverse the treatment of the building do i want to talk a little bit about and how that responds to the context in the neighborhood we've heard some issues as we see the buildings across the street and dagget being built they're fairly long facades and you know uneasy how those projects look. >> i'll be happy to we looked at the project in the beginning with the architect and looked at the overall neighborhood there is a lot of variety in the neighborhood we pointed out some things of some of the buildings in the area and generally you're moving along 16th street and to the north the scale of the buildings is absent larger pear larger buildings also to the south the brewer 19 brewery is one of the fabric changes so i think the zoning that is implemented in the eastern neighborhoods rshgd that by 9 heights on 16th street versus the heights allowed on 17th street this is a good thing and reflects the fabric of the neighborhood we specifically looked at all of the elevations we were working with the other architect mindful we felt that is appropriate on 16th street to have more buildings that are larger than 17th street but predicament scaled to 16th street and appropriate for the neighborhood we have breakdown into several pieces there is starting on the west side as i mentioned a is really taken two buildings and turning in 90 degrees west side a glassy facade that there's a lot of balconies and simple facade begin to see vertical windows on the right-hand side to scale as i mentioned the reduction in height at the center the site as you mentioned wider than the code requirement that he felt this was appropriate and gave you a nice look the one the building the next section it did longest within the facade we've broke down into different areas if we pull up - >> not proerj but the - sorry. >> can he get the - >> so here you see this image this was the first part of building along 16th street to the west more terrace's and those brick walls and they run north and south to the right smaller scale and vertical bays that given to get to a smaller scale and the center is much wider we've activated that under the corridors and make it a residential lobby and then as you move down towards the corner of mississippi as i mentioned before the longest facades of this with a rhythm of bedroom and leadership and at the far end a different expression to break down the scale and on the far left this is the only presented we've been working being them recently on trying to create an opportunity for central remnant but we be in this is important so a lot of retail and parts of san francisco gets shortchanged they've done a good job of having the space height we look at the proposition of the this go height 16 and 17 feet we like the idea of pushing public school just to be clear there's the second story is residential but put it within the reference is stitches across the building. >> thank you. >> i think that helpful. >> yeah. i like the architecture i think the materials you use are appropriate and mroo along good and good job good to get an understanding of your thoughts of in breaking that facade up and had that debate how you built to the larger scale lots i generally think that you know it was successful in the neighborhoods pushing on the developer to keep that believe authentic on 17th street side and adding the shed building others on issue would the shed building it looks like we're building what was there and instead maybe a more modern interpretation of that building and i think that would be hispanics - it's a great space that will be good it remind me of the shed more modern tn what was there a little bit more interesting architecturally and so those are my kind of architectural mapping issues a question comes up of approve or disapprove and retail and the question for the developer you've got a lot of rob on the ground floor and he guess you'll be successful in what teaches retail use and could those spaces be used for pdr within the code to use them for pdr someone mentioned a letter some of the pdrs spaces could the developer lease under the code the shed this that kind of shed building to allow that. >> yes. pdr is pertaining allowed in the umu they've promoted commercial retail and what we're hearing from the community outreach but i think this is opportunities to consider others principally permit use in pdr. >> the way the approval is drafted they can use that for pdr. >> yes. so it would be within the approval of the mental defects. >> mr. smith can i ask you what you're thinking on the retail spaces and the types of uses i know you may have heard in the neighborhood about wanting more retail about preserving some of the pdr. >> sure we've heard lots of from people with opinions but seems like a strong consensus for the neighborhood serving retail spaces retail use like a dell d deli a ice cream shop a neighborhood serving retail use we hear again and again and the spaces on 16th street and 17th street are designed to be flexible terms of smaller shop tenants or some larger tenants who may need more space so if so designed to be flexible and sliced up for different types of neighborhood. >> are you on to the possibility of pdr use. >> we are. >> and then the question of kind of parking a little bit kind of the family parking i get it the ordinance i have 3 kids myself i was thinking there's about 60 families in my twins class and you know if you do want i'd spend a lot of time on muni going to a soccer game but i think as we view in the transit structure evolves in the ways of getting around the city evolves it had been easier to interest no parking we're not there yet but we have car share and ride share this is going toga better opportunity to do that to have a family with one car or no car but you know we're not there yet so i'm torn on the parking by lean towards the ability to have parking if we go to the requirement what does that do to the space you have one-on-one w in one building subterranean parking one subterranean parking do you needed or need stackers or - >> correct all of the parking in into building is below grade so there is nothing else that can occur in that area in the effectual there of the less parking in other words, not displacing any of the uses and there's no stackers being used it is not necessary and there would be storage or bike parking or things like that. >> we have bike parking at a higher than required rating at one parking space per bedroom. >> thank you. >> and just briefly i'll turn over the time in the macro issues of eastern neighborhoods planning and how the city is growing we know more than most what was unhappiness with the growth happening and potrero hill and other spaces on the other neighborhoods this is not we did what you consider to side how you do the logical planning we approved the eastern neighborhoods if you read what the nuke district is it is naturally going to be housing we need housing so we can open up eastern neighborhoods but you know outside of this room when i'm out and abo housing is the issue and the need for housing whether it is affordable or market-rate we need full neighborhoods with pdrs uses eastern neighborhoods preserve the areas for pdrs but i'm open to debate opening umu you may that is 3 it needs for preserved from a policy stand point i think that housing is critical and important we went through the process and encourage housing the issues about kind of how development happens and that is fairly lumpy and happens not in all realms directing times of recession their driven by transit how people get around in traffic impacts a question for staff i know as we implement those plans we are working closely with the mta and had a presentation by mta here you know but how we are looking at those transit issues and working with mta to make sure we've got the infrastructure and coming online naturally not happening automatically or vice versa all united states housing will be lumped in and one specific issue about owens street kind of dlaeltsz the traffic. >> i'll- your right the kind of lumpyness of development didn't coincide how we invest in the transit improvements so the 16th street project is kind of for lack of a better term a service along 16th street and the third street light rail investment a lot of concern about the facilities but my understanding it simply opens and greatly will improve the efficiency may or may not be true that is what the mta is telling us they'll quickly have a line and the site i think when you point out the site is a about 3 blocks away from the third street light rail so i'm clearly this is the problem with transportations investments their capital costs and it takes for the mta to approve the costs for the projects they're in the pipeline and 16th street is laurel funded if i'm not mistaken. >> to get to our question in working with the mta with the projects i'll say yes citywide staff - but also i've come before you the transportation sustainability program has involved an interagency effort how to address the new growth impacts on the transportation more specifically on 16th street there have been some changes that are already in terms of of improving the service temporarily and we talked about we came before the planning commission for an informational hearing and the mta talked about the transit improvements in potrero hill in october the 55 line now runnings along 16th street with an older version the 22 bart improvements that occurred i want to make a distinction there are the capital improvements that takes but the major improvements from that project is actually the service from mta increased that's a huge deal i know that potrero hill is continuing the neighborhood is talking with mta as well as about the potential to the neighborhood and owen street tooivenlg the construction is complete but there the city bureaucracy about permitting that is still occurring that is not open like we expected it this year. >> thank you. >> commissioner antonini. >> thank you. we have very good project a few reflected in terms of the traffic impact we're discussing we approved the project and somehow we feel we'll see the impact the projects immediately that is almost always not the case after approval we go through the permitting progress even from the project sponsor is shovel ready takes and sometimes, we get economic downturn and delays projects for years as brought up owens is visually complete and makes an improvement offender the on ramp and also discussed a third or half of a mile walk to the light rail on third street and one mile from two caltrain students the 2 street and the fourth street while it is a little bit of a hike we're close to a robust transportation and the other upgrades on 16th street will improve there's more work to do with the high speed transit for 16th street and potrero hill that area the city needs more rapidly service the other issue that came up maybe i'll ask the project sponsor to verify the fact that a motion either i will make or another commission has 23 two bedrooms units and and all the units have two bathrooms i think outside the box had been part of motion regardless of what it says in the plans we have before us that would be a motion and the other thing that is for the middle-income passage thirty feet a minimum of thirty feet and that is much more than code will ask it is generous and also building on 16th street adjacent to that fourth floor or top under oath that building has a 40 foot setback and agenda to the mid block passage a visual passageway bringing up that that is a good improvement the metal the brick building for that elaboration an active use not just an entrance is is a very good one and i'm completely supportive of the flexibility with the retail being used the pdr uses should they present themselves - also having a non-residential use my recollection the entertainment concerns with the entertainment facility that the resident might object to the sound with warning of all rernlts about the entertainment in the area letting them know the uses exist takes precedence over the housing uses they have to realize they have to put up with that 16 percent onsite units and 23 percent in lieu because the two projects went the different ways and those figures are bmr figures may happy with the election and only higher union contractor has mentioned and contributions of about $3 million to eastern neighborhoods and $3 million to transit are among what was that presented in the total $79 million in fees that is quite a bit and the setback on 17th street is very nice feature 17th street is the shorter building at 48 feet and 1668. >> use of transmittalize cleaver use i'll speak to the industrial use and are there i think that is all works very well the other things that were brought up that is a kind of dead area particularly in the evening a site of a lot of dumping and graffiti dark and unwelcoming twenty-four hour presence helps everybody in a neighborhood and so the 25 thousand square feet of neighborhood serving retail or less than depending on what is pdr and as far as the parking he totally agree with the request peri think that is point a 5 parking we have a lot of units that are bedroom units and encourage the families with children if you don't put in at least one parking space is unlikely a family with children will rent this space i think that about having two generations of children and going out for on outing but not in time for the children to take their naps and sifting sitting in the garage and waiting for the nap to be over rather than disturbing the child you can't do it if having you have to park a mile away and certainly waking him or her up the families needs parking if necessary have children the other thing that was brought up by the couple of speakers the project sponsor so agree to have a point of contact on the environmental clean up that's part of the approval motion but there are issues and we want someone to speak to if there are concerns and those are the main issues i sawcy i think those things can go worked out. >> commissioner moore. >> not one project in the entire area which people have not strongly october to this project does many of the things that we have 30r7bd in any cases not able 0 effect the change number one being engaging multiple architects in a successful way not just kind of like dropping the facades vaurthsz but really trying to attempt to understand the site and the different challenges i know that is done successfully contemporary an interpretation is a reasonable word i think the shapes conforms and the successful vaurngz there is a lot to think about i'll agree with commissioner hillis concerns about the 16th street facade and partially because the problem of that facade was exacerbated by what is across the street any facade looks at longer than because the fact and when i look at the renderings unfortunately, the variance you're creating innovate helping me to not get caught but the other side so i for that reason i kind of encourage and reinvite the scale of the facade relative to understanding all the scale when you look across the street that's an architectural comment as far as compliance i would hope that the required unit mix with the three bedrooms would be followed onsite but does agree that parking is required because the number of 22 three bedrooms is not tipping the scale of what the eastern neighborhoods envisions as a parking space requirement and given the fact there are so many units in the building it balances itself how the r out and the increase in one bike per bedroom doesn't impress me two people are sleeping and most of them have 23 or 4 bicycles anyone bicyclist in 2, 3, 4 town have 23 bikes and there was smaller scooter and other things i believe that the increased for the bicycle for this area and after we went through serious learning curve of understanding t s p we believe that we should be strooj encouraging to stick with the code required amount of park so m itch with only 22 bedroom units it is a fraction and plenty the additional park with people to share will not be impacting the success of those three bedrooms unit. >> what else the comments made and commissioners rewarding the ground floor retail if we have to meet the ideas of eastern neighborhoods the ability to reflect those relative to the retail interpretation is a healthy with an i can't believe that that much retail he everything can be ice cream or coffee or postcards or flowers so we know quickly from our own neighborhoods in allowing the project sponsor supported that the users can come yoifl so see that has part of the motion interested to hear more that the historic preservation commission of the brick building i found myself unfortunate not in the distant past approving what i say a prevention and restoration of a historic building only to see that only reduced to a facade and hope this about not happen which i'll appreciate our hearing and confirming in this building in its dissimilar it will be preserved and not taken down you want to speak to that that would be great. >> sherry scott with the architects and i'll direct to you to the plan if we can get that on the screen the brick building is here in the center currently that is actually inside the melted shed wafers the white space around the brick building is the entire four side of the building not just the facade but the left we have - the separation there on the backside is the open courtyard we have 90 feet of separation on all sides you'll preserve is it as a object not a facade and building across the street the off and on top it is no building on top of the brick building a rooftop open to the skooib sky gun on all sides this a real object and not a facade >> could you envision what have inside. >> we're looking at a restaurant one hundred square feet not a big space by like i picture a restaurant will be awhile. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> several things i need to ask the pardon you know the building across the street mr. smith the building across the street is obviously already there with the same height and some folks are called it kind of a canned effect what other places in the city are you aware of two 85 foot building with the 16th street. >> sure there is a similar condition on the corner of broadway one standing at that intersection looking at west on broadway there is an older building on the right the north side of broadway and a new building on the left south side of broadway that is similar condition i believe that those streets are 80 feet wide somewhat compatible. >> one in question donna you don't have any photos dowdy want to see what the buildings look like when they're completely the same across from each what the appearance will look like. >> gentleman different the building on the right hand the - south side of broadway was built recently. >> any more that does somewhat look like a cannery to me. >> we have townsend. >> hill place square. >> the ever seen the little on the left and a mixed use building on the right. >> okay put our project up. >> please. 16th street view. >> so a little bit different maybe a lot of the same two buildings that are along with a pattern i think there is a cut out through somewhere down there oh, commissioner moore's concerns in the final project we work with staff to break down that a little bit so it didn't appear a canyon i am sure something you folks can easily do. >> yeah. >> something our willing to do. >> great the 40 fiat feet the passageway to dagget park we heard it car republicans and . >> that's a passageway for 16th street and 17th street secretary street with the dagget park the code requires that be 22 feet high and up to thirty feet too wide interest 25 feet up what we've done voluntarily made that 35 from gated all the way down and now stoops that project into that thirty feet wide at times as narrow as 26 by weirder than the 20 foot width the code requires and as mentioned previously set back the top floor of the 16th street building on the west side 10 feet so at this time a 40 foot wide opening and the stoops are there to activate. >> that's right provides activation. >> some flex space versus pdr spates maybe the staff can tell you the difference a dedicated pdr flex in the code. >> flex is like certain accessory provisions for the between a single contributor person architect and in a house would be a like a permitted use and a flex space allows you to broaden the definition to the public can came in a storefront but the core of the unit of the space is a dwelling unit. >> and you have 6 flex spaces. >> 6 of them all of them are required i believe to have assessable bathrooms as a commercial space so they could easily be a commercial space for i wanted to say a modern basically folks that live and work there or artist or something could be commercial not just residential but it permits it bike toad coding to be commercial. >> you have to live there. >> that's correct. >> i think you have to live there and by depiction because of the flexing it legally had a commercial use. >> sure when i came out to the pond grove flowers it was probably didn't use that space they have deliveries coming out erica you see a flower going to a flex space. >> difficult keep in mind the bike lane that is call the roll on 16th street as art of the changes of the eastern neighborhoods is being moefld of moved and relocated to sfreert that will do that will eliminate all the parking on the north side of 7th street where those units face and the loading areas no loading or parking on the 17th street you included in the plans as i'm sorry defected. >> the condition to be look at fib one point to see what that looks like if you go 6 blocks further west to 16th street and kansas city at a point heading west. >> so our loading zone on mississippi to the first flex unit the leanier feet will be how much. >> 80 foot loading zone that services both the residential and retail in the metal shed. >> so floors instead of the production line because literally across the street we had a space the litigation 0 project on 16th street our thoughts on what afs community was asking for for a contact point and sure the pencil contact point we'll be happy to have that and mentioned in the public comment. >> something we'll agree with. >> we'll have to comply with the ordinance and okay. >> we went back and forth on the historic sixth of site one thing i know i was thinking when i shot this over to you i think we need to honor this path by putting up trellis and put up placards so people understand what is the water tower or something like that you'll willing to do. >> absolutely. >> i'll ask if this project goes through to completion you work with mr. butler or other folks on that so the loading zone we covered was 40 feet why not one hundred and 20 why not 60 why is that the magic number. >> after working with the city staff in terms of there is a balance between having loading that is serving project but also the longer the loading zone the, of course, it taxes up additional parking spaces that is to accommodate two medium sized commercial vehicles without encroaching on the street parking. >> maybe you've followed this any projects we've improved built within a quarter of and i a mite mile very loading and unloading drop off and pick up. >> yellow zone. >> other projects within the quarter of a mile do they have a the same set up that is 4 hundred unit. >> wade planning department staff i believe that dagget has goal loading zones which is obviously across the street other projects a quarter of a mile i can't speak of specifically but in general we're seeing projects of this type of with 0 off street loading. >> a restriction on mariposa. >> i don't know. >> there was a big one and i've been told it is all on street loading. >> maybe mr. smith any way to have a little bit of off street loading. >> we actually have a few look at the plans for the 16th street building an off street loading dock for the commercial space so as to minimize disruption on mississippi street to a long time with the engineer to make sure it is well-designed and designed to create minimal interruptions on the city streets. >> so i move into one of the building i pull my haul is there a place to unload into the elevator instead of the loading zone. >> depending on the size of the you hall we'll had loading near the elevators where residents could pull up their u-haul and load or unload obviously if so per one of the 3 bedrooms with a large truck 345i6r7b9 fit into an underground garage but assuming that is a regular sized u-haul we'll create a specific loading and enloading area in both the garages. >> something you agree to. >> yes. >> great on the parking i maybe in my infancy land with light and air by allow flexibility it is 41 spaces. >> yes. >> i think that a good way strict a balance or give back it is subterranean i don't know what you'll do but offer more car share. >> currently we have 5 car sharing spaces we'll increase that. >> mr. eric on the van ness project went back and forth 5 to 10 and 4 to 12 were created. >> sure. >> that will mitigate concerns people are not constantly they need a car share space. >> on the place in the pillsbury he like it and maybe i like it. >> thanks. >> i don't know. i wouldn't want to do anything with that so i i feel comfortable making the motion to approve with the continents we continue to work with staff on the massing the appearance of massing on 16th street. >> the articulate. >> the articulate sorry on 16th street do have a hazardous material litigation plan that the community has waisted the person and a concessions there is an interpretive element working with mr. butler and his staff, car sharing go from 10 to 5 and you establish a loading and unloading with the two garages so they'll move their sofas in front of the shed and have brunch people do not - the last one of the number of two bedrooms commissioner antonini. >> 22 two bedrooms and, 23 week one hundred 46. >> commissioner moore any thoughts open that. >> some of us talking about the patricia parking. >> i'll talk about that we're making some into car sharing. >> i'm sorry have you spoken yet. >> no, no, no that's fine so, yeah i agree with everything in the motion i'll okay with the parking and the car sharing i'm okay with the parking as requested and just going to say we had one commenter talked about expanding one of the public assess from the 20 to 40 something i'm not sure that we need to do that i think between the public and the private assess space enough open space throughout the property but think want to make sure the project sponsor has some open space ♪ this schematic the private ones in the north-south is appropriated so i'd like to have the amuse for the public seating >> okay. he accept. >> sorry i accept what commissioner johnson has proposed. >> yep that was the only thing i don't consider flex units to replace the pdr but the project sponsor agreed that the spaces are outfitted. >> can i ask a question. >> one question sorry on the retail space he forgot it i know a paramedic was mentioned does retail formula require a conditional use in this site. >> i don't believe in this zone rich. >> so formula retail use is required in the mixed use. >> okay from. >> thank you. >> if i may i want to add one more item for classification chris townsend planning department staff with regards placement the applicant makes standard represents as a few recommendations embedded under the design compliant that planned stage so those are for your consideration to include or not included in the final motion. >> definitely want them included. >> and the sponsor will accept those conditions. >> okay commissioner johnson did i have anything else. >> no commissioner antonini. >> yeah. the other thing that may have been in the motion we'll allow the flex spaces by the retail to be pdr should that be possible. >> that is principally permitted. >> just making sure we're clear on that and i think ross the oh, yeah. the other thing we have a motion that includes both parts a motion for accept the ceqa finding overriding considerations as well as the request for large project authorization we're taking them together. >> talk about the park we're increasing the car share but basically proposing code compliant parking. >> i was allowing the project sponsor up to 35 more spaces they gave 5 back to the car share but under the impression loading and unloading downstairs you might have to cut a few more. >> you're not creating loading and unloading downstairs but creating a drop off for someone from the elevatoro to create a low grade for the ceiling height ramp that is different than the building the loading had occur at a normal loading and unloading at the curb moving advancing it obstructs the deliveries to stores, etc. but all you're doing is creating the place you can stop our car and get a baby carriage to the slate neat not considered to be basically common kersey. >> but it eats up two or three parking spaces. >> i personally building that given everything that we have gone through regarding the tvpsz 27s this is not the time to increase of what - i don't see that reason particularly in the student given where we are given the description iowa he know that happening open 16th street we know that so how can we possibly sit here and increase the parking space rash that continues towards the tps policy we're supposed to move into. >> i i cannot support of project with a type of accommodates. >> so commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i'm supportive of the motion and i as i understand whatever the project sponsor asked for as far as parking the findings has 10 he can go for the 12 will be car share spaces those will be subtracted from those individually assessable to fissure total number. >> commsioners to the point of the deliberations the maximum amount of car share a 10 per the code so only provide 5 accessory car share spaces in addition to what they're required to provide onsite. >> 10 it is number. >> a question he envisioned the loenld mr. smith found under the ground i was imagining pulling up the second largest i mean the second largest walk to get the clearance and i've lived in buildings you don't want that on the sidewalk especially during the month that people have brunch on sunday talk a little bit about how getting in and out with a u-haul not an - >> sure as you suggested for moving vans and trucks living in smaller studios with one bedrooms they'll be able to drive the smaller vehicles into the garage additional use a loading area near the elevator to move their belongings in and out of that vehicle directly into the slate and up to their unit for the larger units - the two bedrooms and full bath and he did three bedrooms 3 full bathsd depending on the kind of vehicles they may or may not be able to drive that vehicle into the garage and had had same thing as from the second they were using because it is a larger vehicle that was not able to fit spot subterranean garage they'll use on the on street loading zone. >> i believe - i believe that is 12, 11 for 12 for a commercial garage. >> okay just to be clear i sidewalk right loading zone on mississippi. >> there are two of them. >> correct 3 parking options if you're coming and loading and unloading. >> correct. >> commissioner hillis. >> just on the parking because i didn't hear all the sides i'm supportive of this additional parking i gave you any reasons the exceptions we have a theory to create two bedrooms and somehow single-family homes with living there i question that is happening in the city and i think this project has made a more accelerated effort to make the unit attractive they're larger and three bedrooms and two bathrooms and i think where it is located it is not on market street in market octavia it is there's going to an a need it and attractive the families for a parking space for those 2 and three bedrooms i don't see that has precedent setting he wouldn't want it to be i think will be good i'm supportive don't to see if this actually encourages we won't have data but we need to look at ultimately do our two bedrooms and other projects toxic the families in doing things like that does it attract more i'm supportive of the motion as it stands. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i'm looking at the u hall van i was referring to say 6 foot 2 from the combimger to the roof and 2.6 from the bumper and that's six or eight a foot less than the clearance is so it looks like it is possible potentially i could look at those and give another foot to - >> commissioner moore and the reality of the residential moving in san francisco other than a friend to help you rent a u hall large trucks are parking for a monument of time and people that move out of space they share the space you'll have to basically expect that large moving vans will be parking at the curb for a resemble amount of time and most of the people don't come during the sunday brunch you'll accept them it is what it is but the reality of moving most people most of their things in large vans and they don't go into - i don't want to argue but this is normal i want to accept that is as basically a real condition. >> the house next to me sold the people moved in within one big van and came two or three times they didn't bring an 18 wheeler it happens but usual one a one or two trip. >> strangle i do so many trucks around. >> commissioner wu. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to a there is a motion that has been seconded to adopt ceqa finding and authorize the large project with conditions as amended by the commission to continue drinking staff to continue excuse me - directing the project sponsor work with the staff on the articulation along 16th street to develop a hazard mission plan for an interpretative element to car spaces to 10 reducing the assessable spaces by the same amount by 5 spaces to have

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