1 ab fulsome street downtown project authorization proposed until january 2017 and item 2 divisadero is proposed until january 2017 and item 3 hoffman avenue is proposed for an indefinite continuance further under our discretionary review i'm pleased to announce that item 18 lion street discretionary review both parties the project sponsor and credit are requesting a continuance until january 19, 2017, no to the items proposed for continuance and there are no speaker cards. >> that believe on items proposed for continuance. >> thank you, john with reuben, junius & rose here to speak on two of the items on the continuance calendar the first one divisadero to work on the design to get the bmr units onsite a continuing more and more important we'll to take 89 minded and staff is engaged in dialogue to come with the bmr units onsite to move that to january 2, '62 weeks after proposed right now i just spoke with the gentleman it was okay with him but obviously here about the commission schedule 633 fulsome we were here in early september on this one we've been the commission asked us to look at the design and continue our engagement with the neighbors on this one we're making good progress and started the conversations with the neighbors on that and working on some of the studies it need to be updated to accomplish that so we do need a continuance however, right now it is proposed to january 12th i think we'll be ready by mid december if the commission is willing to grant us a slot in either december 8th or 15 i've spoken with the current planner they can do the 15 peace officerable we're ready to go on december 3rd but your surwill not be updates until november that was originally proposed continuance should the commission be willing to accept the defenseless 8 but willing to come back. >> (calling names) i'm here on 437 hoffman on january 30th not june 2nd you commissioner koppel and commissioner melgar were not here but commissioner hillis was not this shouldn't be proposed for a continuance but today you gave instructions what should be done for this save the tree and keep the breezeway fix the back we're losing that the project sponsor has had 4 months to deal with this now they decided because of section 317 excuse me - they'll see if they can get a better deal and if they can get rid of the tree and keep the garage and contrary to everything you said you spent two hours i'm mad because i think that is wrong and the two new commissioners i don't know maybe they've watched the hearing in any case you shouldn't continue it indefinitely that was the plan and the project sponsor is known about it for months she's delayed and i think that the e-mails would be talked about the system is gained no the the point the 317 maybe i'm off the continuance but please don't continue to today deal with it as you wanted to deal with it none june go 30th today is thursday, october 19, 2016, it is time to deal with that thank you. >> i don't want to hear the project sponsor say someone to refrain from the project sponsor i'm not hostile this makes me very hostile thank you. >> hello, i'm anastasia from noah valley neighborhood counsel i echo with georgia says this was proposed commissioner antonini was here we went before and after about the tree and building a garage and came to the conclude that that needs to be continued to have work done on those plans and come back to you today don't give this project the brush off we've seen too many months to home in noah valley and need to consider it today thank you. >> hello commissioners this time maybe i'll have time to say hello, i'm upset about this the pardon was given 4 months to re design and work with the neighbors now they're asking for a continuance to wait for more vantage building codes to be put in place less than two weeks after the june hearing we gave the directives about the roof line and the breezeway etc. mr. silverman sent an e-mail to divine washington if he's willing to meet with the project sponsor and him and he said that he thinks that the neighbors have been bullying the commissioners into denying the cu on the grounds it is not necessary and desirable and they may need to go back to the dr on july 19th surveyors were at the 430 hoffman with the project sponsor and they were surveying and then there were i think rather than grow the whole timeline i'd like to read an e-mail from the project sponsor that we got that will confirm that they never tried to implement any of our directives and only spent a lot of time recalculating the statistics in order to avoid doing your directive so this is from kelly have a copy for you all >> hello all to us to the - neighbors i'm writing to let you know no hearing on october 20th for 437 hoffman not sure of hearing date but the first quarter of next year the planning department is rising the ms. hayward with the demolition and the residential expansion we thought this proposed change will go took place to the department months ago we thought it was a clarification of the demo calculation method we were waiting for that internal meeting to provide the different active definition continuation a revision the thought code i'm going to go to the end he heard the bell we'll keep you posted as we move forward and be able to schedule a meeting date that works for everyone and gives plenty of time for us all to process changes i'd like to ask you to not to deny the continuance request and these contain the timeline and is this letter i parking lot read. >> any any public comment on the items proposed for continuance? okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. and secretary can you clarify the request for one ab potentially 7 or 81215, 12, 8 is packed >> november 10th is opened up a little bit i know there is an issue with the ceqa being prepared but if there is any way the ceqa document can be aired in time. >> how so the 15 look. >> the 15 on the regular calendar is held light because your joint hearing with rec and park on the resources areas management plan is expected to take all day literally hours 8 to 10 hours. >> can i ask from the 10 works for the project sponsor. >> just to clarify the 8. >> november 10th actually. >> i'm sorry november 10th is not enough time. >> in this case between the first and the 8 i would recommend the first. >> december. >> we're okay with that dissatisfy is not comfortable with being ready by december 1st so for staff purposes the 8 and 15 will work and i appreciate your looking at it as we can make that work that's great but back on the 12 and let's go to the and if we need to continue it we'll do that. >> okay. >> commissioners. >> as far as 437 hoffman item 3 proposed for an indefinite continuance first noticed before june it requires an additional notice the 26 is available you heard from members of the public there is a request actually have is considered today unfortunately scomplerg and commissioner koppel will not be able to participate. >> there is questions regarding to prestige commissioner moore. >> commissioner vice president richards is on the - >> question for the zoning administrator based on so we heard this is a dr and given the direction to the project sponsor a letter from the pardon basically saying they feel there is new rules coming out regarding demolition they want to look at and through those lenses we'll create not voted on it we have an idea if you're familiar with that project how will this land with the section 317. >> i don't know the exact details and how it will line you up with the current proposal but starting out at the dr one of the issues was the concerns about demolition we found it was a demolition so they applied for a conditional use authorization you had the hearing now they're seeking to continue this item to avail themselves of potential future legislation that may or may not help them out in terms of process moving forward it is still coming back before you automatically and be notices for a newspaper hearing and come back before you if there was no conditional use requirement there the future legislation it will be a neighborhood notification under 311 to be brought before you in terms of this project back before you there is every possibility that can happen under the future rules. >> ms. swedish. >> so i get where how coming from this we've given direction and 4 months the project sponsor want to back, however, if at the come back next year or the year after if it is more advantageous as a commission still have the remedies we give the project sponsor on whatever new project or whether that is the same project can you comment on that. >> you know when i heard this and saw the e-mail i thought about the famous scene chinatown she's my daughter she's my sister she's my sister and daughter this is a conditional use or dr it started as a dr they didn't had had calculations properly so they got caught by the cu it became a cu now they want to try to gain the system and make that a dr whenever that happens it is not right i'm looking at what the commission did regardless of the 2 commissioners not here they can watch the hearing maybe they did do it but can watch the hearing it should be treated as you recommended it to be treated that was 4 months ago the neighborhoods were relying and ready i don't see why the project sponsor shouldn't be happy he didn't do anything that b would deny him making tons of money frankly anecdotally people putting in one car garages in noah valley they're still parking on the streets. >> thank you let me tie it up with a bow the project sponsor is disrespecting the commission and disrespecting the neighbors and i hope you'll not continue it regardless of fact they're not here. >> i would be prepared to move to continue items i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say input move to continue items one a, two, and a motion to the date specified - >> the 8. >> that's my motion for the first two items and i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> and 18 to the dates that's fine. >> i'll second that take two motions on that second that. >> commissioner johnson. >> yeah. so it sounds like we'll split it up to two motions you want to take the vote first then i'll comment. >> sorry sorry on 650 divisadero instead of january 12th january 25th. >> that's acceptable to the maker. >> sure. >> thank you. >> shall i call the question? on that motion to continue one ab to december 8th and two to january 26, 2017, and item 18 to january 19, 2017, commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar commissioner moore commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to zero commissioner johnson. >> okay. thank you so on 437 hoffman i understand the comment and in many ways simp simple, however, should be consistent only continuances in the past sometimes for various reasons and need to be continued for the agenda set for and we take that into consideration and so i think for today and part of what happens when someone is on the continuance calendar the commissioner don't necessarily come prepared only to discuss the continuance for those reasons and having two new commissioners, i think i will have to support not hearing the item today, however, i might be supportive of not having an indefinite continuance but put a date that may or may not coincide. >> you may have come in after i mentioned this. >> he heard it on tv. >> you did it will have to be renoticed. >> i heard you actually, i was here and heard you on the tv back there it needs to be renoticed with a date i think that we can do that rather than an indefinite continuance and may or may not coincide with section 317 i'll propose a date that date has to be how many weeks? >> i don't know the minimum. >> if we put it in january 8th. >> are we in november. >> i think the minimum how many weeks. >> what's the minimum for mr. secretary. >> will have to be renoticed a month out for staff to renotice okay. >> let's do january - >> january 5th and 12 are closed. >> what's the 19 has a couple of items. >> right the 19 is the next vertebral. >> january 19th. >> okay. >> make a motion to continue item 3 to january 19th. >> second. >> second. >> commissioner moore. >> i want to make a comment about the process of continuances for the public the process as a stands is transparent and vetted not only by this commission when you continue someone something but the recycling of when things come back on the calendar next thursday things are list for continuance the material or anything that pertains to it can't be reversed in the meeting itself we don't have the material nor the proper back up like the notification heard, however, what i like to say a the policy comment is it i think i'm very concerned in the abstract emphasis on the abstract certain people are for leverage of establishing continuance and when they get on the calendar than the little folks parking lot they're represented through professionals that have the time and including the motorbike to really work the system and for 3 reason we want to make sure that we are treating it as we're doing today much transparency so quantity for all continuances are complicated and they are kudos to secretary owen was phenomenal in balancing the calendar and making us aware when they prilth i urge all of us to encourage everybody to 34r5i by the rules and consultant with those people who are indeed in charge. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i think i'll support the motion i think we should be prepared to hear it with the proprietary back up for those who have not done it we want to see the restrictions some of the things we ask for i he did tree and parking i'll support the motion. >> commissioner hillis. >> i'm fine. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much not to belabor the point i agree with commissioner moore you want quality in the continuance process the one thing i'll say we have instances of drs continued by dr requesters or dr supporters that has happened before i do think there could be more clarity in the process and say personally as a professional i want to say we don't work with requests so we need to be more cognizant of our own calendar with continuances and not completely working around what project sponsors want this motion is an effort to put things on our calendars. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, there is a motion that has been seconded to continue item 3 for 437 hoffman to january 19, 2017. >> commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar commissioner moore commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to zero and commissioners, that places you under your commission matters adoption for draft minutes october 6, 2016. >> any public comment on the draft minutes okay not seeing any, public comment is closed. is there a motion to approve. >> move to approve. >> second. >> thank you, commissioners on that motion to adopt the minutes for october 6th commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar commissioner moore commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to zero and commissioners, that places you under item 5 for commissioners questions or comments. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i was waiting today to actually put this image up on the genie for everybody to see i was reading a magazine the other modern and almost choked on any coffee had i saw the image a large house with a big wall and a letter in dwell magazine and describing an architect was built to sit on the 1920 neighbors causing them to impulsively i saw the displacement in the neighborhood i appreciate the design in venice california where the bungalows to determine by multi millionaires i find that is a loss of expansive use of architect respond i'm bringing this up we have a residential design guidelines on the agenda and that's why william carpenter says the zeros lot line a city zoning and allows for 8 stories of height and we choose 8 stories and a roof deck then california consumer sale for residential buildings in commercial buildings if you like boxy buildings this is a for ground building will someday urban design a background building down the streets one day will be a background building and much part after a multi variance streetscape leading to the town square i look at that image i want to choke we're talking about considering being sensitive neighbors if you're in a bungalow what happens to our quality of life as we think about the urban design guidelines and the residential design guidelines put that into context and what happens we're favorite ahead than savannah georgia is . >> (clapping.) >> and commissioner koppel. >> yeah. i want to send a personal colleagues to commissioner vice president richards for hosting and organizing a very useful land use discussion this past week and swedish-american hall on market street there were both sides on the stage addressing what is kind of out of our hands on the ballot this november and crowd was civil there were hot tops that came up and some special people up there defending they are side of the story and commissioner was there that was a great evening. >> thank you. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to department matters item 6 director's announcements. >> commissioners a director's report in your packet i have no other announce. >> from the person with the phone turn that off we'll appreciate that and other members of the public that have phones turn them off or silence them we'll appreciate that commissioners, that places you on item 7 past events of the board of supervisors and the historic preservation commission and board of appeals. >> good afternoon are armed services for the planning department on monday land use committee the committee heard supervisor wiener's roof ordinance amends the green building to establish standards for in any construction facilitating the development of reflubl energy heard on september 5 and recommended approval for the board of supervisors at the hearing the sponsor made small editorial changes that didn't effect the substance of the legislation two public commenters in support and no opposing comments the committee voted to recommend to the full board. >> also at land use was the interim controls for the corona height those are being in effect for 18 months and extends them by 6 months the department of human services require a conditional use authorization for residential buildings over 3 thousand square feet or a lot coverage of 55 percent or more that was recommend to the full board. >> and finally supervisor wiener called a hearing for an update on the subway master plan 34569 has been getting feedback from the public where a new line and the results can be viewed on the website and the presentation of the subway master plans was done by mta in any planning director sarah jones and planning department staff was in attendance on fulsome street passed it's second reading the mayors ordinance to allow temporary homeless shelter and the vacation for the navigation center passed it's first reading and the urgeing the lgbtq night life and working group was adopted introductions a proposed ordinance sponsored by supervisor breed and supervisor peskin and supervisor kim supervisor campos and commissioner kim sorry that amends the administrative code to amend the short-term rentals to limit the time someone what rent in their home out to 60 days and prior right of action that concludes any comments. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much on the shared housing legislation the right is that - >> you were part of those long conversations. >> i was there. >> the right of action someone was make a complaint and if not resolved by the city can go further. >> i think the discussion was 7 hours long we had many discussions about private right of action or who have they did right against a was it the shared housing platform and the property owners. >> i can take a closure look at it but if you like and we spent a lot of time and part of an individual for nonprofit who is in business 5 or more years for sros conversions. >> so the person with the standing was a nonprofit like prior right of action but i think we also discussed who the person was standing could get damages from who they can sue and had a discussion we're not lawyers but discussed does that mean they can sue the shared housing platform or the property owner the registered person registering the property so self-will be interesting to hear i know again, we spent a lot of time and interesting to see or so how that turned out. >> the nonprofit was included in the original ordinance. >> i'll looked at the. >> notwithstanding whether the nonprofit can be the one that could sue who are they suing. >> deputy city attorney mirena burns. so under the original legislation circling in the chapter four 1 a a number of entities that are defined as interested parties can sue for the provision of 41 a the only people that can enforce people violating not other hosting platform the parties decide anyone that lives in the building the owner of the unit if it is presumably a nonprofit organization and residents within and owners within one hundred feet at issue those are the defined interested parties any interested parties can sue after the director made a direction of a violation of chapter 41 a dhonz can jump the line on waiting for the director to make a determination of violation those are a group of interested parties can provide certain noticing but under the current law actually, i don't want to get this wrong i don't remember who the the smaller subset allowing nonprofits to be in the early group to sue before the director makes a determination right now the nonprofits have to wait until the director makes a determination. >> the board of appeals met two items of interest first, the appeal of rear yard variance from 1948 specific the appellant had privacy and encroachment concerns the board heard this last month and continued to give the parties time to resolve those matters knowing the 311 notification has not been heard some level the compromise the board granted the appeal and make revisions to include the profess screening was unclear whether or not that addresses their concerns but certainly a section 317 notification at some other point and on hate street you've heard this as a discretionary review from a building permit to expand an existing mcd at the subject property the appeal last night was at the public health department of the operator permit for the mcd we had approved this referral some time ago but it they modified their plan to occupy it as the previous tenants opposed so there's a public health department process to have a hearing on this the decision is ultimately appealed to the board the board was concerned at the public health department hearing with an hearing held they noted state they will have a subsequent hearing and a calendar date but they issued the decision without having the future hearing and the due process and ultimately this is a no vote hearing at the board of appeals so they have the full matter before them and don't have to rely on the previous hearings and can correct the due process procedural errors to deny the appeal and some general consensus about the process that had not been properly followed that's all the building permit we approved it after the discretionary review hearing and working its way to the process and go to the board of appeals in the future. >> i want to ask the members of the public to silence their mobile devices if you don't know how please turn them off the ringing is disruptive to the procedures and on several occasions your phones are ringing please turn them off. >> good afternoon, commissioners tooefd to share a couple of images things the historic preservation commission heard a progress report and informational presentation on the filipino strategy this is the strategy that was mandated through resolution by the board of supervisors introduced by supervisor kim and in april of this year and since then, the department has been working directly with the filipino in the south of market area to an several goals in order to provide the economic opportunities and sustainability efforts within the south of market for filipinos and filipino-american at this time the staff shared the progress report on the strategy with the historic preservation commission and members of the public were there to all the numerous community events they've had in developing the strategy the item will come before 9 planning commission next week so you'll have an opportunity to review that strategy as well and then in december the planning department along with the filipino community will be providing an implementation strategy as they're a number of city agencies that need to be involved in making some of those goals a reality so we'll be more more this commission to weigh in come next week and also wanted to give you an update on the legacy businesses the historic preservation commission has been reviewing 10 to 5 applications and each the hearing public comment has been subsidizing increasing there's a great deal of of public support and for not only small businesses but for neighborhoods that contain those small businesses and finding mechanisms for enjoyment for all as you may know the historic preservation commission provides recommendation to the small business commission and they are the final decision makers on whether or not a business is include in the registry and later on whether or not those businesses are eligible for funds to support either rent or offset the costs of employee retention i yesterday 9 applications all unanimously supported by the historic preservation commission and we expect to be 15 at the hearing next week or 2, 3, 4 two weeks. >> that concludes my remarks. >> commissioner moore. >> i wanted to briefly comment and congratulate hpc on the numbers it is fantastic i looked at their agenda yesterday what struck me as really wonderful improvement is that the variety of businesses really increasing it is almost like looking at lane use and viability of preserving the legacy businesses in our corridors i'm very, very enterprises how it is moving forward thank you. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> one question is there a quota or an open end thing. >> there's a cap on the funding no funds distributed as of yet but find out more in terms of the registry three hundred applications per year we're no where they are near that at this time but doesn't anticipate that. >> do the funds roll over year to year. >> my understanding but check with the board of supervisors has a elimination on the program. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to general public comment not to exceed 15 minutes at this time, members of the public may address the commission to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when reached in the meeting. each member of the public may address the commission up to three minutes. i have several speaker cards. >> (calling names). >> good afternoon, commissioners rose overall projector please. art 7 mcd reorientation for existing code 100 percent i don't know how to justify to full page. >> definitions are changed undefined and unintended consequences in sections of the code and the intended reference symshall be arrest traded on a case by case basis so you have the dr arbitration and the code to the text in article 7 the guidelines reference the commerce and industry element that's one of the examples in the c i e and please clarify this is in the c i e don't it include the maps 3 and 4 and chinatown area plan article 7 and up and coming legislation pertain to the design needs to be looked in 2017 to tie in terms of the zoning administrator waiver or whatever arbitration a request for article 7 and in article 2 legislation because it was passed in article 2 for the residential lots it says another design guidelines may have that may have been approved by the planning commission may apply that worries the residential portion of it thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm paul weber i'm the telegraph hill delegate to the coalition for san francisco neighborhoods and i'd like to read my one and 50 word statement about the organization we have submitted 3 letters opposing the project the staff says there are no substantive changes that's not true 4 neighborhood groups found numerous subsidies changes with a value situation saying we've not gone it right the zoning administrator shall arbitrate now after the addition of 5 personal hours the proposed non-substantive changes will reduce the formula retail protections of article 3 please suspend this process indefinitely to have staff hold comprehensive sessions with the ncd and each supervisorial district to make sure all comprehensive what is done and can mooevengly respond while article 7 and 8 should precede unattended consequences from land use changes such changes to the demolition rules and various design guidelines to back up a bit we attended two of the sessions that the staff held regarding the reorganization and only two people in attendance at one of them there may have been others i can only comment on two the presentation laced 20 minutes on the work done by the coalition coming up with it's letters there was 80 hours of time collectively we put in on this to state didn't there is no where near enough attention to the details and this unfortunately is something requires people to get into the weeds certainly the staff people are committee competent and know the details that has not been the purpose of the presentation at least the ones we've attend we offered to provide with the use of staff materials they'll be fairly link but rebuffed 3 times and rebuffed each time so we urge you to continue this indefinitely until the comprehensive approach to the project is taken thank you very much and i've left copies of my statement here. >> patricia actually came for item 13 but some statement made of future meetings and agenda and talking about community involvement i have one of the largest groups in the city i've not heard from this department in over a year all of those design guidelines, your intars with the mta i believe that the public is being left out of the process tolerantly not just because of me, i'm hearing it from other people i firmly building with the mta it took me use to take me 14 minutes from chestnut and fillmore to southern stockton it took me one hour and 20 minutes with the changes to the route i'll advise you to start listening to the public on those and consider the impact particularly on the small businesses and the small businesses on the thirty, the 45 hind line i do know are damaged badly will you please consider this is a citywide issue they're doing an eco approach the city to how we change the route and how we change the processes without thinking of the important issue of the small business and in the charter it says any changes must be made have to consider the impacts on the small businesses and the surrounding neighbors it is two in the charter and the section of the chapter for the mta not being ignored planning department right now i see that the citywide urban design never here what they're doing you call and try to find out you can't what they're doing with their process or anything if this didn't san francisco port commission a big uprising in the city how it government is being run i have a lot of respect for the people on this commission i think you should start listening to what we have to say and include us thank you. >> good afternoon. georgia swedish as a preinclude when you have our aware 317 informational no department of human resources in noah valley i've been in the projects since i mentioned for the last two years none of them are department of human resources as i understand this process going forward a mixing of a melting of trying to deal with the who dr issue and the demo i don't think europe dealing with the demolition this is primarily i don't want to make a judgment but i really don't think this solves the issue of decisions and that's my concern we'll talk more next week we want to point out no discretionary reviews of any even if those things 40 percent of more were demos in noah valley thank you very much. >> okay commissioner vice president richards. >> one question for mr. weber kcmo i did not understand something you said you indicated you proposed tutorials what do you mean. >> you indicated you proposed tutorials. >> i have video programs with booklets explaining to the viewers what was done with article 7 the mechanics how it was change and the substance and took examples roughly 40 districts within our article 7 that's what i had. >> thank you. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to your regular calendar item 8. >> vision zero general plan amendment. >> good evening commissioner president fong and commissioners i'm lilly with the department staff i'm here today so amend the general plan for the vision zero policy the commission initiated those changes at the hearing an july 7th and here to request that approval i'm joined by the mta that is co-chair of the task force. >> so today i'll provide a quick overall of the vision zero and explain why we have a high-level overall and walk through the changes since the initiation hearing as a reminder to the commissioners and the benefit of the new commissioners that was adopted to eliminate traffic fatalities and design streets there programs start enforcement and specific changes to city policy in june of 2014 the commission passed a resolution in support of vision zero which outlined a number of actions the planning department can help to meet the goal updating the general plan since the pga of the resolution the department made great progress? those actions including the way we review the development projects and streetscape plans to make sure that straight up improvements are incorporated into the project so just a quick reminder why we're proposing to update the general plan it is the city's ghirardelli document and serves for the aspects of our daily life where we live and work and open space to transportation and implementation decisions in the general plan for the direct allocation and help to shape the private investment currently the general plan doesn't reference vision zero nor that reflects a lot of the work to address pedestrian safety and this is really important because the department reviews the applications and capital improvement we make wvrntd the general plan to make sure this is completed with the list we're doing and finally this proposed amendment is the implementation of a resolution this commission passed two years ago. >> so the ordinance before you will amend the translation element in the urban design guidelines to reflect the policy specific changes a new obviously relate to vision zero looking to achieve street safety a a meddled supervisory approach for pedestrian safety related to engineering and target enforcement and campaigns and updated obviously specific to the safe streets and walking and to the pedestrian network and the streets and minor elements to make sure the element is sxhfrnt with vision zero. >> since the initiation hearing on july '78 there were comments made at the hearing and so we've been working with members walk sf to update the ordinance and so you'll walk through through the changes for policy 23.1 add a reference to the better streets and added language about fatally more assess for pedestrians crossing the streets and contradiction is one of the barriers for routes for pedestrians for policy 23.3 added when appropriate evaluated and improved and emphasis the policy to make it easier to cardiovascular cross the street for the next policy we recommended off any pedestrian street to clarify the signals are not appropriate for any street in the city policy 20.1 added transit stops for the methodology to clarify that we ifd the key walking streets the generators informed in map for policy 25.4 added adopt plans and added the reference we're talking about pedestrians mentioned in all our streetscape plans and finally for policy 26.3 added four decision makers to talk about the awareness of public safety applies to all decision makers and the members of the public some additional modifications that were requested for walk sf for marked cross-examination and adding double turn ways and one way streets into two-way streets and addressing streetscape projects and while the city generally agrees with the recommendations that was decided those changes are not employment for the general plan again the purpose of general plan to provide broad policy direction rather than specific standards or rigging streetscape elements on that is beyond the scope of the project sfmta has guidelines in place including a circus and limiting the use of double turns and evaluating the conversion of one way streets to way and make sense to work with them to make sure the issues are addressed in the guidelines pr so to conclude that concludes my presentation. we recommend approval of the general plan amendments i'm available to answer any questions. >> great, thank you. >> okay opening up for public comment (calling names). >> good afternoon again commissioners rose on vision zero overhead projector please. the vision zero legislation deletes two maps in the transportation element and rise the urban design element of the general plan map 11 for the citywide pedestrian network in the current transportation element this next one is map 1224 shows the neighborhood pedestrian it is moral commercial streets the san francisco pedestrian strategy publication illustrates streets not on maps 11 or 12 called high injury and high priority with many streets kaumgdz any key walking streets since publication 24 general plan didn't include vision zero those are amended so the maps biefktd these and new vision zero covers both will there be a combined map for vision zero there was a map in the pedestrian strategy so is there a particular set of the high priority sectors for high-risk and key walking streets and what's the fatality street since the year of its inception thank you for your time and i'll leave this summer for you thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners oar my name is george i'm here to talk about a brief slice of vision zero which is paratransit i often take and y want to mention a few things first their contract to have a third party they're not directly with the city they're often very late for picks up when they pick up for time a lot of times they will add 80 two to three people so someone like myself would like to go to a meeting may have to actually schedule 2 hours advance to get here on time so i'm waiting for two hours or 15 minutes late the drivers are good the drivers turnover due to low pay is quite high and that is in terms of knowing where our going and what to do unfortunately, the drivers can't afford to live in the city and most drive from la jolla towns brick e like antioch and pittsburgh so they're very, very tired when the theory driving the drivers have a problem finding clients and once our left that means generally 45 minutes to over one and a half perhaps waiting in the cold to get transportation this is especially true like large buildings hospitals with the same address they can't find you, you keep on calling dispatcher so once the driver levies you, you keep on calling and they finally send someone those are why it takes me 4 to 5 hours to go to a meeting as someone with a car will probably get to tie in an hour or and a half thank you patricia they said it themselves there's a conflict between this and the general plan what are we getty - they can leave it blanket and make changes in the auspice of vision zero my question is should be site specific so a few locates you can do bulb outs and others you can't the public is not informed of the changes and many of the plans are in existence right now that are objected to never even seen the changes only come and change them i'm not against vision zero but i think that should say site specific and the public should be notified of the changes of the plans what the mta is doing making blanket rules zero. >> by the way, what is vision zero there has not been explain explanation of anything other than a concept that is very, very, very anti democrat as far as i'm concerned, and i told them someone will get killed it happened they didn't listen to us then now, now what is the reason did they have a lot of money they needed to spend and another thing they take walk sf experience they don't think about people like me that gets stick when a leg goes out and no bus to the grocery store i want you to about that and be site specific and i'll hold off awhile just because i think outside the box is two blanket thank you is there any additional public comment? >> game-changer commissioners mary alicia speaking a private citizen there is a lot of controversy around a lot of the issues surrounding the san francisco municipal transportation agency and ballot initiative it would be it would be nice to put this on hold and it would be nice to have the muni riders involved in their issues the removal of the typical thing on scene it the removal of stop signs or bus stops and bus fees this is not a friendly way to handle what in their doing and i'm sorry i can't speak to what is in this packet it is to expensive and there's mentioned of maps being removed i don't see in part of the documents i was looking at this needs to be put on hold a while and review it and it just basically, i agree with people are saying too broad not taking into account the people that need the muni and not taking into account what the muni riders really want more services not particularly buses moving faster but better service and retain their bus stops to start with and that's going to help more than anything in terms of getting more people to take the muni so thank you for your time and . >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> sorry and mary hunter from the municipal transportation agency chief executive officer of the task force he wanted to thank the planning department staff for doing the work they're doing one of the key success or commodities to vision zero success is institutionalizing the general plan we feel are critical again one component of vision zero we need to do design and strategic enforcement and education a lot of specific issues that were identified today that are specific and we didn't feel appropriate for a general plan regarding paratransit i'm happy to share and people to reach out on those particular items excuse me - with walk sf were appropriate for this pedestrian safety component of the general plan i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> okay if no further public comment public comment is closed. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> mr. hillson can you let us know the significance of the map changes. >> yes. i'm sorry is that. >> the significance of what you were telling us. >> oh, the significance of the map can you use the overhead please. so map 11 to explain map 11 in the original transportation element as it exists map 11 shows the pedestrian street was called the pedestrian citywide it was back then citywide and citywide were those black lines in the northeast corner of the city and then the transportation element also has map 12 those are the neighborhoods pedestrian streets that's the dilate but actually, the neighborhood the ncd district so what vision zero has done taken the mayors streaming streets and combined them all so suddenly the pedestrian streets in map 11 used then or what was applied there is not gone citywide not like the urban design guidelines but it is a citywide impact this will decide how the the law of the land will decided. >> we're taking something good between the citywide streets and neighborhood streets and applying this good solution to all streets what do you believe the downfall of that or is my assumption wrong. >> your assumption is not wrong, sir different neighborhoods have different streets and it is a generically text it is your duty vision plan i don't know that vision zero is fit for every single neighborhood so as far as site specific but things better for specify i89. >> maybe staff i can help us we've been taking specific things out of general plan and leaving is general plan. >> currently in the general plan there is two maps there's a citywide special network and the neighborhood commercial map we're going to replace those maps with the map of key walking streets include the commercial streets they include streets to see large concentrations of people walking and the polyp where we see lots of people and making improvement to make that more pollutants for people to walk and separately as part of task force a vision zero map that includes injury data compiled from the police department over 5 years and tracks. transit and bikes and pedestrians compiled into one map that lies within the vision zero action strategy we're current updating and not appropriate for the general plan it includes for circle specifics that are updated over time so just to clarify we're replacing two maps they don't include where we see locations of people walking it's not comprehensive we are updating to lie within the action strategy that is updated even if two years and includes more recent data >> a comment the vision zero policy i think is very good zero fatalities and pedestrians by 2024 i think what we have before us i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say we're doing our part to institutionalize getting to vision zero whatever levers in the transportation element and objectives to get there tomato that is a apple pie and good standard by which all future projects should be referenced and value dated i have no objection to moving forward today and commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much i appreciate the public comment also good to have other eyes and ears on this and your rigorous and appreciated i will say that i agree with commissioner vice president richards i think this is a great step forward in harm 91 west our philosophy and talk about the general plan amendments taken together vision zero continue to reference the better streets plan, which is one of the main was in which action - actual lists - the better streets plan it the methodologies that we can use to design for pedestrian safety in different neighborhoods there are a lots of methods in the better streets plan how to design and having vision zero weigh on the general plan allows us to do that so appreciate the comments but i think i feel ready to you know preparing to move forward and i will make ta a motion to recommend approval the general plan amendments. >> second. >> commissioner hillis. >> just a quick question on the maps as the city visuals and grows and pier 70 gets developed there maybe more pedestrian activity is this in the general plan and have to be amended through the general plan amendment. >> i think the challenge we have the map reflects the streets as it is today, i building there's an ass contribution that will be reflected in the map that refers to treasure island and hunters point and pier 70 and else. >> thank you commissioners, if there's nothing further, there is a motion that has been seconded to adopt a recommendation commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero. >> commissioners item 9 for case the urban design guidelines informational presentation. >> will hello, everyone mississippi a planning department staff i'm representing the urban design guidelines with david and matthew and bradyhere to give you an update on the process and the evolution urban design guidelines project we were here in january and have been working over the past 10 months on the guideline to clarify how it works and more importantly outreach and collaboration with the many groups with whom those will be very important. >> since we have new commissioners been some time a quick introduction to their purpose the guidelines generally guidelines are implementation documents public policy they consist 6 design excellence and neighborhood comparability to improve the way projects look and work. >> what will be urban design guidelines do for the most part they'll reinforce policies and guidelines we live in the general plan with the urban design element as well as larger city policy documents like the administrative code and the public works code they will help to you think if i our guidelines found under the general plan for example, in area plans like market octavia bull for stand-alone guidelines walk formula retail or window replacement and neighborhood that vw have guidelines as much as upper market district i'll explain further in this presentation the two preliminary goals were found in the above policies and documents are essentially 20 to do two things one to promote the design kleenex, and, secondly, to make sure there is comparability with context for new projects and finally in the collaborative process the department wants to help to improve the design process by defining that sometimes substantive terms what arrive with talking about architecture and design what about the urban design guidelines not do i think this is important to distinguish those as well first is it will not change the affordable housing requirement they'll not at the height or change parking maximums they will not change allowable uses and not specify any earth architecture still who will use them in terms of the common language intended for the planning department staff and community groups and project sponsors and design teams a way of coming together of all the groups and when will very be applied during the design review prior to the commission approval during the permit authorizations in the sections and following by conditions of approval the discretionary review process, post entitlement provision or addendum approval we already have the policies ready why create the policy guidelines there are over thirty that currently exist there in some cases redundant or simply why did or maybe lack in consistency with a regulatory there are some places dwellings are robust and no guidelines apply at all so where will the urban design guidelines apply? here who we have had evolved thinking originally we described the urban design guidelines as an overarching set that applies across the city and where the urban design guidelines one of the most effective extensive guidelines are not the urban design guidelines would continue to apply exactly as they do now where they are now and the urban design guidelines applies to the mixed income you downtown commercial district and on public land including public land in the orange we're not including that because it is dmufg as you can see in the diagram the purple it is faded in the screen where the i believe so apply and the rh and the urban design guidelines will apply in just the orange areas and in some instances with the residential design guidelines and just to explain those conscionable instances this will happen when there are larger parcels when non-residential parcels like a school or schuch or planned development more than 6 units or a frontage longer one hundred and 50 feet the urban design guidelines will be effective to encourage the compatible with large block and streets patterns whiek i while the urban design guidelines will define both applies they'll work together one on a large-scale in tandem with those scales >> so what about the existing guidelines they will all continue to apply where they do now, once adapted the department will rise how the exciting guidelines fit with the new urban design guidelines work and this will help to - it will it takes time and precede one at a time so this is to show what the current set of proposed urban design guidelines are those 3 topics flight and architecture and public realm 23 altogether and generally go newcomerly from the more general to specific each guideline is on the top in the middle left hand with the description immediately below you can understand the reason and range of how to achieve the guidelines you see kind of to the right of guideline and lots of examples how this might work not intended to be prison active to talk about the ranges how it is satisfied there is photos though been explaining this this is examples we've been talking to a lot of neighborhood groups why do they show mostly isn't it true buildings as older buildings were built staff selected more recent examples to help the designers to understand the tint of the guidelines the staff is listening to the concern and robustly show and adjust how to say adjust this is an image on the right hand and the example of a traditional storefront in the draft guidelines this milestone might be a good guideline we're taking traditional storefront and unpack and describe the qualities it has we think will be great for new projects that is something we can expand with other aspects of the guidelines and show you older examples so how will the urban design guidelines support each neighborhood character their novelist to make all the neighborhood look the same or the commercial areas to look the same the urban design guidelines have not intended to create the kind of singular effect but enhance the neighborhoods unique character to bring up the aspects in those areas and so 0s guidelines that help that tint recognizing the local variation this is the scale for architecture, harmonize designs with the materials and with it public realm expressing the open space design how will the urban design guidelines help new projects fit into my neighborhood that tint is widely invented just a few works of the ways we're trying to support the existing contacts recognizing the urban patterns and modulating building the design open space to connect with and compliment the straight that exists - harmonizing spaces and expressing an architectural idea and locating and designing open space for physical comfortable those are common good best practices within the design profession. >> this is also something you've heard quite a bit in the conversations request neighborhood groups concern about the waiver guideline that will be a way to waive an individual guideline to allow the designs not 5e79d or for community request that will conflict that the guideline such a waiver only an individual gm not the guideline as a whole will be appeal able to the board of supervisors we recognize this raise concern and an ongoing conversation with the commission and the neighborhood groups since also been some questions about the process by which those development we want to unpage that amount also by the way, available on the project website in the planning department website the first step for how the current draft came to be by studying existing policies and a lot of the existing documents design review staff with the content of the design guidelines and had some internal review this material was so complex we have a starting document that begins the discussion we completed this in january and came here for an informational presentation and this is an example of what that process was in studying the existing policy finding building to relate to the vertical scale of architectural massing that was found it was clearly important to establish it as with the own guidelines on the right of 5 places it exists in many places as well and note in the future draft of future guideline each grand larceny will be articulating the draft and the policy origin. >> second step was development and from the advisory group outside of department and this included planning and design land use professionals and community groups for the convention we constituent and made sure that the draft make sense this is the - this is on the website and neighborhood workshops on the list those are the ones we've been working being not intend to be the only outreach that was enhanced as part of sub 3 i'll explain in a minute a lot of architects and designers with other agencies and development experts as well and a few outside designers as well and people involved in some processes in other cities. >> and step 3 is a series of neighborhood workshops we've been attending the yips over the past 6 weeks to letting everyone know about the project and answer concerns and update the information those interests are high we've been planning several workshops for people to join a collaborative workshop that a common process for everyone those sessions making sure the guidelines enhance the neighborhood uniqueness and the examples fit the goal and work with the existing guidelines this process is to critical we want to give it the time and space it needs when it is complete we'll have the adoption next year those are the groups anyone is welcome to invite us to their neighborhoods and we'll do this through the end of next year. >> if anyone wants to be further involved we invite you to join one on november 16th at the planning department and we anticipate the next the first week of december and cracking contact us to provide ferry building after reviewing the draft and any contract each out to ann her e-mail is listed thank you very much and staff is available for further questions. >> thank you opening up for public comment (calling names). >> gingers ron i'm here to read a letter from the president of the potrero boosters october 20th commissioners you heard already by mail and hear more following me from the members of the collision san francisco neighborhoods regarding their resolution in opposition of the urban design guidelines sports by the planning department the coalitions resolution is premised on a belief they've not authored without the neighborhood input and the review and dictate the design across the city the booster association reethsdz the coccyx argument and we write today in support of urban design guidelines we support the guidelines they reflect the principles to battle in the eastern neighborhoods as developers and planning department, the commission and, yes the neighborhoods came together to work out large project after large project the guidelines demonstrate the collective learning ever seven years of large project developments and strengthen the position of neighborhoods to live with large projects by providing clarity through the design principles we've found ourselves fight for time after time they don't like the guidelines is in a flaw in the guidelines themselves it is an artifact of the design processed the guidelines seek to remedy the boosters will have been long members of the organization and as i hope we made clear in the discussions with the coalition we're dismayed the approach is to stop a planning effort we played a material role which is drorlt effects our neighborhood we expect you to be supportive but the coalition has declined to provide any we're willing to work with the friends in the neighborhood to massage their concerns but they should understand the guidelines are not academic they are necessary only lament we if have them 7 years ago you have copies. >> i called a number of speakers. >> hi george president of the coalition for san francisco neighborhoods - i look forward to talking about with mr. miguel since i feels so strong we're prepared to negotiate the guidelines at any further time who at this moment we feel we've not received meaningful input and found successive deficiency and currently oppose them as their currently written i find the aspect of waivers particularly troubling and no what you can i accept something that allows such a gigantic loophole in planning to do whatever they want i will read the resolve clause in your letter dear resolve for the clockwise of san francisco oppose the guidelines as currently drafted and authorss representatives the coalition to engage with the commission the sore the department and others for the purpose of seeking the withdrawal of the guidelines or modification assessable to coalition representatives thank you very much. >> okay. >> next speaker, please. >> i'm going to read from my one and 50 word statement regarding item 9 and then supplement it with comments we oppose the urban design guidelines referred to tie in the staff executive summon for the january 2016 meeting for a number of reasons is ambiguous as to what they intend to replace or supplement like urban design guidelines of the general plan urban design guidelines of the commerce and destroy or urban design guidelines referred to as an aap they've cloendz we ask there be - their role and hierarchy among the guidelines within the general plan be clarified while there has been some neighborhood outreach including to our organization we appreciate we are in the dark about what responsive changes have been and we've heard one or two today i'll comment in a moment we're concerned that their needs to be neighborhood supplements to avoid one-size-fits-all design and finally, the waiver designs need to be eliminated one exists for the commission and not for the zoning administrator and supplementing those pirates we heard from the staff it sounds like they've eliminated those zoning administrator weaver and put it back into the context as if there were - if what are called waivers are modifications to the general plan following the normal process namely the commission approves or supervisors reviews within a time certain if that's a correct understanding then that solves one of the issues we had with the program and in terms of updating it we will appreciate a publication of a revised red lined document bans the changes to date so we can again see where the staff stands now based on community comments versus where they reason when this first came up and as we telegraph hill dweerlz with a marked up copy i'll be happy to sit down and discuss the resolution of the project thank you very much. >> good afternoon georgia swedish can i have the overhead? some point there it is my comment it about administration it needs more detail in the urban design guidelines i don't think that dealt with enough here's my example this is on van ness and 20th i think this is too much grairgz and a lot of problems with those new buildings i don't know where that is the fact that windows go out versus window up and down or what or economic those windows can be pushed in like a unit you have those i'm not talking about the size only talking about something that reduces the glaring i think that is missing present the matrixes that the staff showed on january 21st it was just on the overhead and january 21st hearing showing all the of our laptops with the various guidelines i'd like to see that it was shown on january 21st at the beginning of the year i guess people are concerned about the may apply think page 2 is that the same as is waiver i'm confused i don't follow with the staff said but if so it gone that's fine no waiver they're there or not the big thing is the following the udg should percolate and put on hold we need to deal with the urban design guidelines they've been waiting, waiting. the revisions for years and the issue is the architectureal trend in the residential neighborhoods are speeding ahead while the revisions are not happening i'll give you an example people are putting huge glazing on the rooms the big manna walls a spaceship halls landed at night it is something you need to deal with it sounds like and trivial thing talking about quality of life i think that is an important thing those are some of the ordinances the urban design guidelines needs to deal with that are not happening and precede with those that means putting the udgs on hold and percolate so be that is important to again even though to the urban design guidelines and a lot of issues there thank you very much >> overhead please. okay. i've shown that before anyway for the january 21st executive summary the reason for the urban design guidelines the guidelines the authority maybe unclear or having a with no clear means of theplegic guidelines in a formal system i was looking at the 2015-2016 pdf on the overhead this is the thing in the affordable housing density bonus program the h p will be incorporated into the city guidelines the udg so november 15th, hpc guidelines are cloned in the urban draft guidelines many people rejected it the udg guides owl buildings i think that still says that note to be changed staff says only for large projects the udg the residential design guidelines the ground floor guidelines art 7 and the residential threshold legislation there will inform building legislation should not be piecemeal everything needs to be put together and jelled no way udgs quote foreign guidelines will - before i show that article 7 that is about guidelines and not about the unobtrusive building that commissioner vice president richards showed before the back and forth i'm not sure what will happen staff mentions the ukdz are for larger buildings with schools bigger one and 50 feet in the middle of a residential block what did you do use the residential design guidelines for the rest of the street how will that change and the existing guidelines only to be fit into the umbrella what if it basically then breaks down the residential character that was from those particular residential design guidelines if you make them align with the udgs in general think there is a lot of issues with the udgs politically to just nc and mixed income if you rezone something to mixed income the udg come into play it is confusing i think any of the things the staff presented today i'll it in a preamble in the legislative text thank you. >> good afternoon commissioners i'm league of women i can't president of the liability hill neighborhood association i'd like to add something in the urban design guidelines that on page fo paragraph 7 it is friendly and walkable reduces energy use improves of air quality and enhances the health of individuals when i read that the statements seem to echo the fundamental but failed assumptions in planned bay area tied to the transit corridors and subsidies the 2017 update and the udg prioritize the mixed income development located close to public transit since san francisco it is the p da r effected one ear and out the other is the eastern neighborhoods the historic district when failed assumption people living near transit will use transit despite the millions of spent over the decades this shows a 36 decline in per capita transit rooifrp this was noted in an 2015 article in the chosen that omitted from uber and lyft and other i riderships public transit did not omit less green house gas emissions auto fuel economy has improved by 40 percent and transit has been found worse and bay area disregards the evaluation eir people living near busy roadways can develop stroke and asthma and miscarriage and cancer the list with goes on that's not improved air quality stayed in the udg the udg position that denser development is involuntarily friendly that is the same flawed assumption and most largely debunked for the city's lower densest neighborhood the entire statement should be lombar elim and edward mason the urban design guidelines documents has general i would and substantive notions and contrary position it is unclear how how the planners will use this as - the waiver concept should be if 9 project didn't conform to the guidelines something special that requires a waiver the planning department staff can file a dr on behalf of the commission approval so the transparency and integrity is preserved the urban design guidelines reads more like an architectal brochure and does little for the large-scale development recommend that the guidelines for high density and large-scale developments isn't neighborhoods residential design guidelines to maintain the architectural integrity of the san francisco neighborhoods and remove 9 waiver concept end of my comments thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> - developers and architects get their projects quickly approved your role commissioners in the process is reduced to reviewing administratively preapproved projects to provide finding the public's roll in reviewing the projects effectively curtail questions and legitimate concerns we've raised for planning department staff have not been addressed meeting are - meaningful consolidation needs to transpire where's the maefkz of the guidelines that was called for how we can decide where the udgs are better guidelines p than what exists in areas if we don't know what we're comparing to the udg should demonstrate how the guidelines map back to and incorporate the oifshlz contains in the urban design guidelines of the general plan and how it relates to the priority policies as referenced in planning code section 101.1-b 7 large projects require scrutiny permitting a waiver of guidelines provision to remain as an international component of the udg is preposterous this is a correct prude they need to be integrate from procedures we urge you to reject the udg proposal unless and until stockholders all stakeholders have sufficient opportunity to participate in formatting if such a proposal is deemed necessary and desirable thank you . >> (clapping.) >> commissioners good afternoon mary gallagher if you have a city that has never had urban design guidelines people may want to create general guidelines a great thing it introduces a new idea that gives people a comfort level the ufkd e ushgd but were in a city it faithfully used guidelines an area specific guidelines to carefully reflect the characteristics of a neighborhood i think what might make sense a careful review of the guidelines we have eliminating over lapsing and fixing anything that is wrong and perhaps reorganizing them in the same star with the residential design guidelines but since the department choose to have the general guidelines we can nevertheless, put it to use a lot of time and energy has gone into the document but time taken away from staff training so my suggestion to carefully identify those areas of the at the that are already covered by guidelines and then after removing text and photos relevant adopted udgs with changes note by the neighborhoods for those areas without guidelines the other issue is implementation when you have consistent controls time the implementation are straightforward that is critical to draft the procedures for consideration with the guidelines the procedures should not be get because procedures change with trial and error a - i ask you commissioners to consider directing staff to director the details how we can understand how those are made and the residential design guidelines are starting to fall apart members don't know what the guidelines are in the russel case the findings are orally reserved or ignored and sometimes make decisions in a rush to dispute and finally please get rid of of the labor provisions they've innovate been handled at the close session for over thirty years under the staff initiated dr the staff level that was the original proposal is last week, a jury giving the authority away to the prosecution one-sided thank you for your time. >> a hard act to follow patricia i'm sagging the urban design guidelines should be redone and mary said is the truth i'm dealing with in the 22 neighborhood groups and commercial groups i deal with is people come on with drawings that basically follow guidelines and the character of the neighborhood and told on the first story i want a modern building sometimes that is good and sometimes not a group of people within the department trying very hard to change the character of the neighborhood and make an eco approach recently, i was getting media car fixed and ran into an architect he was told he had to use a certain set of windows because the department wanted it the department i don't think has the right to tell people how many - what brand of windows should be purchased i think that i agree with mary in their process should be done and written better than what they are dealing with i don't think outreach to the end of the year with the community is enough time i've looked around at the windows and noticed they're put all over the city this particular brand our other neighborhoods being told this by the department? and by designing people of the designing group that have their own idea what should be done without the community i believe that each - the designer review group for residential and commercial should have meetings with the neighborhood groups of each of their 11 districts that you're dealing with and i'm not seeing it i've called the hierarchy the person sitting in the room ever receivedal phone call back if we don't do outreach with the next mayoral group in their maybe changes i want you to that of what our doing and one of the birth developments only lombard street it was decided before mary dwal gestures era that is like barcelona and having the architecture all of a sudden the design groups putting most people consider reject 1950s architecture nothing we can do they come up to the front desk i'll, making presentations from now on to show you how that will ruin our tourism thank you >> is there any additional public comment? >> mary aliza i'll side something rare. >> thank you for putting this on hold and thank the planning department for putting this on hold obviously having listens to a lot of the suggestions it is not ready yet and maybe we need to consider doing this a lot more often people are more calm and considerate what is going on i think obviously this clock it not working this information obviously the community the city really moving at a fast pace no reason for us to make those decisions deal with they are broad decisions in haste so thank you once again for rolling this process down and giving us a chance thank you. >> any public comment on this item okay comment is closed. commissioner vice president richards. >> i i guess i'll open what i'm a neighborhood person i have had over 20 years of activism i was president of the my neighborhood association we went to market octavia not trusting the planning department they're trying to pull a fast one and eventually working with the planning department and getting it passed it was a good plan and have an agenda of trust public trust is tantamount to any process nothing should be deny behind closed doors and i hope you know i'm a watchdog i put article 2 on hold to sit down and come and sing our praise that's what i'm talking about and he was on the design team on this endeavor miff given all that an example i have a lot of questions and feelings here we as a commission reilly ask for this to happen and the reason we're up here with those mission bay like projects the genesis of this and got those projects will come up here and accepted them back and a lot of frustration on the staff and project sponsor and commission because the project sponsor will be heard they started with a horrible design by the time it go the to the commission that was plain awful we sent it back we didn't have great guidelines to fit we had the residential design guidelines new i but not applying to potrero hill i'm glad to see this initiate off the ground some of the things i've heard this is going to apply to proprietary zoning district we believe the map is true and correct until someone tells me it shouldn't apply those are the kind of buildings gingko where their 40 or nine hundred fiat long i hope

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