Music and i believe theyre open until 2 i think were the only other 1 on the street that is applying for an entertainment license ive not ive reached out to the gentleman with wrote the letter not in touch with him but let him know were a small brewery looking for jazz on sunday and from time to time maybe some karaoke but not often hose on the edge of our three hundred foot radius i feel like well not be disturbing him in the interest of time. Commissioners, any questions for the applicant. Thank you for reaching out to the resident being positive foot forward is helpful they feel confident youll be responsive to their business thank you for reaching out. Im part of Neighborhoods Association im a visual member of that community and want anybody it feels this is a problem to approach us well make ourselves available all the time you offered your phone call to this gentleman. I did it is in the letter and that i did in the outreach and respond to a letter in i or my outreach ive not mad contact but make sure i do as well. Thank you good. Great you read the police conditions about the calendar. Officer ramos checked out the space and all she asks given the monthly cleared up and update with new acts that maybe last minute. How far do you plan to schedule those events like standing nights comedy and karaoke night. Were planning on thursday nights being the music and potentially adding on open mike and karaoke and maybe comedy if that is allowed. Great yeah laughter beach country. Okay. Great i think didnt look like other commissioners questions or comments this is part of city that needs more entertainment yesterday we saw this particular stretch of san bruno is getting more entertainment not entertainment but Liquor Licenses that are available so i think were always interested in seeing more entertainment but responsible entertainment especially in parts of the city that didnt have it thank you for stepping up to the plate. Lets take Public Comment i dont know if there will be any. Scenes the matter is with the commission. You motion to approve the permit obviously with the Good Neighbor policy. Second. There is a motion and a second to approve with the Good Neighbor policy policy. Commissioner frost commissioner lee commissioner thomas commissioner perez commissioner caminong president tan. That item passes good luck were going to move on to the second permit tonight. Okay. So your second and final permit is another llp is located in the tenderloin 835 larkin street a cafe and record store it is a dynamic premises they want to add live musics a few times a month and want to have djs and also working with their neighbors and patrons and surrounding businesses and 8 letters of support including a letter from the larkin association and approximately 85 signatures of support in our file we didnt receive my letters of opposition to this one and tenderloin station approved it with the Good Neighbor policy and one security personnel and scheduled is to be sent to the station one week prior to the events here is one the owners rob maybe all 3 of them. Good Evening Commission im the owner and my Business Partner christopher and josh one side we own this this is a record store cafe bar we opened and added a coffee bar christopher manages the coffee bar we want the Live Performance randy from dj band and Performance Artery comedy shows and other shows weve done two successful shows since we opened on september 3rd a one time permit through the commission and yeah, we see our store as cultural hub for underground music and actually, the International Scene i you understand i used to work at a record store in berlin he was in berlin outstanding. Working on a record store and do event there as well and wanted to bring a similar thing here the whole environment of our store is very different from anything you know at it provides a space for artists to showcase their work on a personal level given that it is a record store and cafe together we want to go to 10 00 p. M. Hopefully 11 00 p. M. After that and yeah, thats pretty much it. Great commissioners, any questions. 10 oclock you think is enough but next year 11. We always start at of for the last one our permit went until 12 we started at 6 my brother djing not here and he was djing early on and 4 performances which was Performance Art im sorry 3 performances remembered to about 11 and then my brother closed it out thats usually what we do in the Performance Art we have local djs and want to be a spot like an early night people come to our store. What time do you close the coffee shop thank you open until 4 but if someone want a coffee after 4. You close the record store at 8. Yeah. I hear youre in the process of politically for a type 40 Liquor License what tell you any alcohol in the last performances. No. I think that is interesting with alcohol can be perceived as a club we want to make sure your security so on point. Do you have security. We do josh can tell you about the Security Guard we have one coast guard and two staff behind the coffee and two behind the record side and one staff ramon around thats how we do it so staff by the door yeah. It. Does one the guards have guard cards. Yeah. Yeah. Great are those all age events yeah. It is supervisorial diversity ranks if people to 45 years old to 20 years old yeah. Really old. laughter . We have a huge difference, 45 us guys we highly recommend you come. laughter . Commissioners other questions no open up for Public Comment my Public Comment. Were fully ada compliment any Public Comment on r s9409 not seeing any, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners, i would happily entertain a motion. Move to approve the application. An motion to approve is there a second. Same house, same call . All right. That means the that item passes good luck to both of applicants tonight were going to move on to item 7 the meeting i didnt part not that was not meaty enough but talk about potential amendments to the police code as it relates to sound outdoor and im if i had sound and i believe our director will present a beautiful presentation prepared for us tonight. Hang on one i do to while we get set up to make a point i think a lot of the sort of suggested changes to the code are actually sort of clean up rather than new sort of new policy and there is going to be points were talking about sort of a new tool that are created for venues particularly around the outside sound of a youre worried about the thickness of packet the whole sections are moved to other parts of code so sergeant will highlight the new things were consider and at this point no sponsors of the legislation it is really in an early draft before we can shop around and get either the board of supervisors or the mayor to support so i want to just to be clear about that. All right. Are we ready with the sound. See if i can come in hello again, im to be talking about there is a first go around so right now it looks lengthy as president tan said youll get it and ill speak to the timeline at the end and as well i wanted to make sure you know that we have got a City Attorney here in case there are technical questions and so let me get on to listen to our feedback we can im going to get into this most of this about tools for the commission and our staff to work with and it is important you know for us more than it is as an external exercise so there is no time pressure thats why no sponsor not because no one cares and move that along here im going to talk about this legislation the problem the problem statement our current programs and policies around sounds are putting amplified box sounds and challenging to manage and regulate you know that first hand given all the ways we have the last speaker permits sound a day a week a year government has problems with boxes anyway so Record Stores become coffee shops that become venues that become i dont know that is what we deal with everyday im going to go back to this and go back awards our tools are limited outdoor sound is pulling from the rally on the steps of city hall to long term activation to ban playing front of a building and beyonce playing and didnt work well, that this is a point i tend to in that case around the world actually as you may know ive been all over the place and this is important sort of i think broadly for the conversation right now all the regulations are amplified sound in article 1 the police code most of this activity here in the legislation moving things out to article 1 to 15 one the toilet of article 1 is called nuisances that troubled me from the get go i dont think that amplified sound is a nuisance noise is not sound some people dont like sound fair enough well regulate the time place and manner of amplified sound but were words matter thats why i put that up now you can drink the koolaid the fix is basically to move sections 43 through 48 outside of article 1 whole with the permit and sound and trying to found the requirement for the use of outdoor amplified sound why do we do that as you may know 5 it is the bible the section of where we talk about 1060 you know zero through one thousand and 152 is late night extended hours so 1 one has the benefit of having a whole context from the issuance to the determination as well as the enforcement end that allows us to then use those tools in 15 one we have zero of in article 1 article 1 has no context for which to enforce against those permits which you know weve come here and said were here before you today to listen to someone apply for a permit that had problems in the past to me that is frustrating to say were back here because they screwed up i cant miller give them another one nor want to but dump it on your shoulders that way in my mind well have a way to issue the notice of violation to do certifications and, you know, maybe very limited conditions or not issuing at all thats the big picture; right . We left section 49 in article 1 thats the section that is use by and large by the Police Department for other kicks off noise, noise i didnt noise and barking dogs and radios two loud in homes noise, noise that is not really commercial activity that is pretty much what were talking about so get into the weeds ready the easiest way to describe what were doing we can move the sections but have to sort of create a way to play this out in real life now, when someone asks for a permit it includes amplified sound we ask the question does your ask include what we consider big e entertainment as defined in the code; right . Or not amplified or it is receipts related were going to do you know whatever kind of free speech activity or frankly what weve done a lot have to deal with the amount if i had sound outside in a fixed place kind of way your restaurant or wine bar that not to amplify like the age bins patron thats not considered entertainment in the police code so we had to separate those based on the way those things come to us so ultimately if your answer yes, it is entertainment youll be told to get a limited life performance or need one Time Entertainment permit that sounds like a lot but really obvious; right . Your wanting a one time permit if youre, however, your activity that you described to us didnt include what we consider big entertainment as told you need to fixed place outdoor amplified sound or a one time outside am mid sound permit following where does parade entertainment fall. I put it on the chart ive the sound permit is based on an additional not often the sound trucks are what we use for amplified sound during parades thats the moving thing at this point there are few you know how many parades there are so yeah. I guess i should have put the bubble for timing yes so this is i think pretty much the way to describe what i did giving you more information and what the difference is entertainment is one big issue; right . And how we play this out no such thing as a fixed place outdoor door were calling it no such thing when we create a permit with the loophole will that figure out what the bounds of those things are so o. J. Use of Outdoor Entertainment and sound entertainment is not furnished we might end up doing more than just recycle restaurants or wine bars might end up with Retail Stores for the outdoor fixed amplified sound weve gotten complaints and no answers to Retailer Stores and many that think this is the way to advertise their business didnt sit well, that with the venues and offices around there by the didnt have an answer were creating something and then because he with a fixed place permit were limiting our one time outdoor use to 12 times a year that is the consistent thing weve done in the past with using one time like event permit for inside space if you do that why not get a fixed place permit we decided that was a reasonable consistent way to assume that maybe it is a better plan again entertainment permits get impacted by the changes that were making to now include you outdoor spaces so instead of saying to Small Business owner someone we have in the past we inherited this we only building it is regulates the inside i dont believe that technically there is anything in the code that says that weve come to you and you guys are managed to exchange the policy one time or whatever to say okay. Those rules and conditions apply to the inside if you want to do those own the inside then those rules apply but outside that is other rules well include outdoor and indoor under the permits you might end up having to consider in the process of determination those to areas somewhat separately they have potential; right . For bothering neighbors in a devastate way you know if theyre not done correctly same holes for limited Live Performance and then the one time treatment permit indoor arrest or outdoor were limiting to 12 times a year in theyre doing a fixed use consistently well, let me get through this. Ill ask a quick question. I forgot this is after having read this but for the poe and lp they have an outdoor permit attached or have to check a box and opt into that. No, this is an implicit change as of right now the three hundred plus poes they dont get their outdoor permit were creating a tool if someone wants to amend to include we can do that or from the beginning. Could be outdoor. They can do an amendment what does someone do now im asking for future ones if poe equals indoor and outdoor. Were make that implicit in the process to you when those are important issues i think you have to take seriously you know together but separate at the same time what happens in the case of. A venue that plans to be a indoors is the permit allows for both and at a later time they do an outdoor and not getting through the permit process. Were dealing with someone that comes to us with an operation in mind and decided to privet towards something new we go back and say hey weve got to figure out what youre doing now you changed our mind it is in our discretion at the outset to say someone do you plan to have an outdoor space obviously; right . If they have the room it might suggest they consider it well probably consider in the office if they dont say a backyard it may not be an issue. How about 620 jones part of interior or out to the outside. We did both that was out of the box we spent a lot of time looking at you shawn talking about the doors and the music and having the doors open you remember that are the doors open or closed. Yeah. It was a conversation and i think you did exactly what i expected you to do Going Forward. Okay once it gets a sponsor and passes. Of course the other problem well try to solve but somewhat it is related to ambient sound but not part and parcel to the tools think of that as and talk about not necessarily having one thing drag the other down remember some of you were on the commission we had a hearing based on a lawsuit that was filed and then settled with the city was with respect to a street performer i dont know if i was if he was arrested a bunch of performs including the bucket man talking about how very they had a problem and busting is for street performs amplified sometimes not to where theyre playing for tips and sometimes selling their products whatever it is and nothing like that in San Francisco when i say San Francisco our San Francisco under our place not parks and not jefferson street but sidewalks, you know. Like the drummer on powell street. Sort of but just to be clear were talking about amplified sound this whole thing is a discussion of amplified sound not drums so i dont want to part with amplified by definition it means think of something plugged into something; right . The laura bucket man is a separate conversation we dont have a scream ive had for years fought the notion of wanting to be the agency to provide the scheme im supportive we have some kind of way to allow this activity to manage this activity and get tools to not us per say but the Police Department to have the resources that are out there they have nothing they feel is you know useful to them so there is no protection that was a lawsuit; right . In the settlement we had a hearing and there was close to two years ago now here we are with a very basic solution which is so create a permit that is a two year permit that note a cites specific permit that basically says you can use this for street performance arrest other people if i had sound and use it for not closer than 50 federate from another performer but a set of rules minimal that would require them to have a visual permit on their body, and then see how that goes from here. laughter because i have no intention nor the resources i feel to curate what frns good and bad performance exactly you should perform and how long you should perform that is the way the port does it on rejection they have a whole podium of staff that deals with deciding who comes and what letters and can someone play or here and there not interested if that dont think we can do that not the