Transcripts For SFGTV Historic Preservation Commission 61516 20160620

Historic Preservation Commission good afternoon and regular hearing for disruptions of any kind. Proceedings. And when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. Id like to call roll at this time. Commissioner hyland commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns sxhaukd and commissioner pearlman we Development Commissioner wolfram store absent commissioners, the first item on your agenda is general Public Comment to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. With respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded when reached in the meeting. Each member of the public may address the commission up to three minutes. There are no speaker cards. A member of the public of the public that wishes to address the close session on a nonagenda liz item would you care to state your name my name is lillian chow give me the Planning Department and the prevention planners to prepare the resource evaluation responds these evaluations become a matter of Public Record providing information recycle in other evaluations they service and merrily lists the period as well as the partners those salutations must be complete and accurate thats why we are calling your attention the incomplete and flawed review by tim consulting dated union the property project on Russel Street is currently the subject of two discretionary review requests heard by the Planning Commission the elevation omitted the fact that Russel Street owner from 1963 to 49 dr. Edmond was a pioneer physician and one of the have medical doctors if Asian Pacific islanders doctor was known for fighting roovm at the va in addition to 31 years serviced during world war ii a member of the board of trustees the Chinese Historical Society of america a memoir is in chiebz American History and published by the Chinese Historical Society of america a copy of his obituary is attached because the omission of the history the ceqa prepared by the planner is incorrect f didnt note that Russel Street is obstacle for inclusion the planner records dont indicate any of the occupant or owners are important to regional or local past dated 9, 28 that is incorrectly were apprehending you for Russel Street and the preservation planner and asking they correct the record and amend the h. R. We request the historic Preservation Commission calling your attention the consulate the requirement that the historical elevations should have updated elevation thank you very much. Any other member of the public wish to address the Commission Commissioners, that places you under your drourments. Tim frye the directors report was included in our packet happy to answer any questions should you have them. If commissioner johnck. On the i think the first item the directors report the reorganization of the codes when you reorganize are there any changes to the codes other than the organizations any substantive changes. To the best of my knowledge no substantive changes in the Ronald Reagan reorganization from the commissions diverse an informational preservation on this all the time were happy to provide one at the future hearings. Id like this. Any other questions commissioners, if theres nothing further, well move on to to item 2 review of past events with the staff report and amazements. Good afternoon. Tdif no formal report if the Planning Commission but one item to share with you this afternoon is tomorrows Planning Commission hearing director rahaim will give an overview of gorgeously streamlining Affordable Housing tailor bill that is a bill that does effect our review of Historic Resources and such director rahaim has scheduled to come before this commission and give the same overview at the july 20th your next hearing just wanted to make you aware that he will present an overview of the the president and the citys review of that bill at that time, as you may know you mean the right versions came out and the department is look at the implications on the overall city family and in particular our review and well certainly have more information at the future date i passed out at the seats a letter from cell phone, pager, or other similar soundproducing electronic devices. E mayor ed lee to Governor Brown that has been circulating should you have any questions in the meanwhile like to forward those ill be happy to share those with the director but at july twthd hearing for future. Thats an agendized item likely as part of staffs report and announcements at the beginning of your calendar. Commissioner johnck. Excuse me. My screen ask not allowing me asking me for a pass code. Oh. laughter . Lets fix that. Go. There was a pass code dont do it. There we go. There we go. Youre okay. Im okay thank you actually okay thank you. Commissioner johnck. Tim my question on the governors bill i received on the emails from spur, etc. About this and but im interested in there a rush to get this done before accident end of the fiscal year. Because end the fiscal year is june 30th i was curious about the timing and the urgency of this or no yeah. My understanding ive heard a lot of Different Things i think that a number of people heard varying things button my overall understanding some urgency to get this approved as part of budget but when the 0 vote will occur it could happy before the july 20th hearing but may happen after well afford you more information once we had. Commissioners, if theres nothing further, well move on to commission matters that concluded my report. And announcements. I have no report do we address the agenda now or we can take that up later. Commissioner item 4 consideration of draft minutes for 2016. Any member of the public wish to comment on this from our previous hearing. Public comment is closed. And back to you, commissioners. Approval the minutes. Second. Thank you, commissioners on that motion to adopt the minutes commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns sxhaud commissioner pearlman and commissioner hyland snoechlz unanimously 6 to zero and places you on commissioners questions or comments. Commissioner matsuda information to be added 0 the h. R. Hates the procedural process for requesting this or doing that. Weve been in contact with the public speaker and the Supervisors Office before that Additional Information and i know that id like to take the opportunity why the senior planner is working with the preservation planner if this is new information that could be incorporated into the determination as mentioned the building is considered significant under the eligible chinatown National Register district thats more 0 information we provide further context during the hearings but ill be able to give you a full report or an copy of our acknowledged h. R. At the next hearing. I have a followup question more generally lets say a building has been designated as city landmark in the city and county of San Francisco landmark and then 10, 20 years from that time new information that strengthens the reason for landmarking having the landmark designation can you still continue to update h. R. E r. Thats a great question commissioners it came up during our review of the lgbtq context statement the best is the black cat a wellknown lesbian bar it is protected bus of its architecture in and out not this important significant use at any time this commission any director the staff to amend the designation lying the gloria right building we could do this under our direction definitely information well keep on file but not formally recorded in the designate ordinance for that property. Any other announcements disclosures seeing none, commissioners, if theres nothing further, well move on to to our exceptional or extraordinary you have one item. Jonas we need to talk about future meetings our next meeting in july it will be cancelled. We voted on that at the last hearing you can certainly announce. Ill remind july 6th is cancelled. Is cancelled oh, yeah. Cancelled. Commissioners, that places you under your under your consent calendar consent calendar, are considered to be routine and may be acted upon by a single roll call vote of the commission. There will be no separate discussion of these items a member of the commission, the public, or staff so requests removed from the consent calendar and considered as a separate item at this or a future hearing. Item 6 case no. Brap done street a certificate of appropriateness. I have no speaker cards. Would any member like to pull this from the consent calendar seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners anyone want to pull this from consent . Do i hear a motion commissioner augusts motion to approve that c of a on that motion to approve item 6 commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman and commissioner hyland so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places you under our regular calendar commissioners there was a request to move item 9 up well be taking 9 out of order the living Innovation Zone. This matter didnt identify that it was a certificate of appropriateness for our documentation so although well be accepting public testimony at the end of this item the correct action to continue the matter to the next available hearing. Mined if we hear enough well put on consent calendar for the next hearing. Thank you for mofus up im kathy the project manager for this project and working with nick perry and here to present our Innovation Zone and again cited adjacent to the h. R. Museum the project was sponsors by the museum and the Planning Department a design by Nonprofit Arts Organization their offers 3 afterschool programs for High School Students ill let the students introduce themselves craig and i hes the instructor and the architect he vicinity on may 18th and continued to work with kevin to insure ada compliancecy and the virtual aortas committee will be presenting on june 22nd and the Community Stakeholders and at several outreach events we have planned the fact before you a scene before the arc the only changes in the design is influenced by ada compliancy and minor changes that has the maintenance of the installation we were asked to include a Maintenance Plan for the installation it is still in process and require to sign off with the director of public works in order to receive the Building Permit we are working closely with the asian Museum Security and the civic center and sfpd to insure the Maintenance Plan well agree on that is feasible for the installation we feel confidence an agreement will be reached ill let the students briefly describe the project thank you. So the overall form of list is the dragon we used this we saw 24 the Research Phase and design the dragon is seen throughout the asian culture and want to represent as many cultures to unite my name is christopher lamb 0 so for the inspiration we started with voting papers and we created like a form an orgami dragon and started using interact things like the flame for the Dragons Mouth and the art gallery that formed the part of the dragons body. Hi ill be talking about the telescope art gallery so around the dragon there will be some telescopes where people are allowed to look through towards the windows of the asian art amount and the Public Library and the windows that show forms of the artwork and other works that both buildings shows and that represents san bruno items that both the museum and the Public Library will show yeah. People. My name is isabel because i live and provide a Community Space so far the community we minded them took involved in the design process we start out with outreach in the community and ask do community to give feedback what we think of our design and we did that with the installation and were also programming our list with the local groups and the asian folks to make sure our art is represented in the community and have instant art phil how it is changed and you dont have to see the same thing every time you pass. Any questions commissioner matsuda. I have a question thank you very much for your presentation i think your ideas is very cool i just had a question for with the coordinator did you do outreach to the Asian Community the concept of a dragon is very prominent feature in any apologizing e ailing cults but talking about the blending is a check off and approval of the culture historical societies that are here in San Francisco we were able to work that into the community voiding process. Not specifically not working with an explicit organization worked several institutions the flower institution it kwoend a widow breath of artist in the tenderloin but what we hope to continue to do the Community Outreach and get feedback especially the patterns that are represented we can make a point to do explicit outreach. I encourage that. Great, thank you. Any other questions public there well, thank you so much thank you very much. Appreciate our presentation open up for Public Comment thokz thunderclouds seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Ill bring it by a, to the Commission Commissioner johnck. Yeah. Ill second to move to continue i want to comment i thought that was inspiring idea particularly as we know the challenges of the landscape area around the museum and the civic center so what i like to envision this Going Forward in the future that becomes a part of culture herbal in more ways than one and part of the culture landscaper is a think asset since the whole area and, of course, the maintenance and upkeep i read an extensive plan for security with the Asian Art Museum i think that is for those are my thoughts on this subject. Great. Commissioner pearlman i wanted to thank the kids that made the presentation i made presentations in this room at the podium i get nervous i give a round of applause for doing some such a great job is he it mob exist to present in a public forum and see that built it will be an amazing satisfying experience to through this whole thing we saw is it came before the review committee that will be a great project congratulations and thank you very much. I would like to add i like the idea of the rotating exhibits we have a motion. There is a motion that has been seconded and i take it well be moving or continuing this item to july 20th on the cds very good on that motion commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman and commissioner hyland so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and commissioners, that places you under your on item 7 Patton Stockton a major permit alternate. Good afternoon, commissioners Planning Department staff before you is a request for a major permit tool alternate to make entertainment commissions oneonone to one stockton at the northwest corner of stockton a category 5 unrated within the market concert conservatism district the proposed scope of work is the removal of stainless steel facade clad in smooth terracotta with life without parole framed window and storefront that will be setback and minimal frame the twostory will is a two part composition defined by the masonry peers the corn news will to accommodate the exciting mta entrance at the Southwest Corner the walled and ceiling had been reclad as part of project and also new signs for the retail tenant will be installed the proposed project was reviewed by the arc on december 22nd the comments from the arc are include in our packets in response to the arc the building is topheavy the height of the second floor has bhnl increased by two feet and the cornice was combaeshgd those helped the bulk above the windows and make the top of this more propositional the simplification of the palates for smooth finished terracotta and one tenant per facade staff finds the continues are conditions will be in compliance with the secretary of interior standard the property design is comparable with the character of the surrounding district and particularly in its proposed massing and composition, scale, detailing and orientation and staff preliminarily recommendations for this project is perusal with conditions staff recommends 3 conditions of approval in your packet with the spider clips and pronunciation of dlamentd drawings for the terry indicate rain screen and for faces and returns the sign letters to be metal rather than acrylic. No Public Comment were submitted that concludes my presentation. And the project manager is here with a presentation thank you. Any questions the project sponsor wish to make a presentation . Youll have up to 10 minutes. Good afternoon my name is mary a im a member of h c h with any colleague with a designer and architect responsible for this project and here with representatives moving forward Building Code tony sanchez anticipate a representative from john alex and others on behalf of the project team id like to thank the Historic Review Committee to guide us to achieve the dine design for the preservation guidelines this is part of an important and Significant Initiative for that t mobile point of privilege incorporating the unique design and enhance the building and reflect of the characterization of neighborhood some of us are those are redundant but thought we can glow the packet and the renderings first starting with the exterior our main proposal to open up the facade. Engaging the corner at strlg and ellis street with both street front to allow the pedestrians to the architecture language for the faint aligns with the historical guidelines by horizon corner in his details based on the feedback weve balanced the open portion of the building weve included a closer view of the corner of stockton and i was with the notion of the entrances this area a technically outside of our space want to make sure that is a holistic thought through and working with the mta to incorporate the appropriate materials as well as directing you attention we are weve included the elevation from seconds of the building and want to point out something that was mentioned that we have addressed the portion of the glazing to the portion of the building by creating a pocket from the increased glass proposition to the setback from the gooefg in terms of the exterior signage were proposing two signs one on each fauld facade that take into consideration the understandably with the contestantcy through the brand color and detail bans the initial comment weve adjust the size appropriate to the call of the building and eliminating the sign at the mta corner for the mta and the storefront facade weve included some details and information been or before did materials the overall materiality to accompany the building with National Materials the main material is a terracotta rain system that adds dimension outlet to the facade and has a shadow dispta the facade at the top of the building and based on the previous feedback previously regarding the texture and finish the terracotta weve selected to have a smooth texture and finish for simplicity and we have a full scale mockup of the material we appreciate your time and im available to answer any questions. Commissioners any questions. Commissioner pearlman no no im sorry. Thank you so take Public Comment at this time any anyone wish to comment. Seeing and back to you, commissioners. Can we get that sample. Thats what commissioner pearlman asked after being on the Architecture Committee i appreciate some of the changes that were made to the upper level where that sort of high fed has been reduces virtual ill sort of sorry this is not the Planning Department i then is such an important corner and the building seems so weak to me i know that it you know it is sort of fits into the district and has the developers and the things weve talked about but it feels like such a completely ordinary design for you know such a paramount corner to i mean, i, certainly support it from a standpoint does it moot the requirement yes, but a disappointment that we dont get more exist architecture in a location like this thanks very much thats all i have to say anyone else. Yeah. Im on the arc i think youve heard everything weve talked about so thank you to the sponsor on that. Ill second that i was on the arc as well and picked up the comments youve talked about. Commissioner johnck. I was interested when i read this i thought to myself this was a cat x, however, i read deeper and particularly looking at the comments abused it is come before the adrc im glad it came before the adrc because youve made changes and fit within the conservatism district it seems to me about an important you know location but the reason i thought that was that there were so many alterations i thought individually but lets say im glad that you did make the changes you did their appropriate to me so right in the district. Right. So. What do we think of the 3 conditions are we okay with the 3 conditions. Move to approve with conditions. Second. Okay. Thank you, commissioners there is a motion that has been seconded to approve this matter with conditions commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner matsuda commissioner pearlman and commissioner hyland so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places us on item 8 case 41 street for your review and comment. Good afternoon marseille with the Department Staff before you is a request for review and comment of the interpretive on 41 street for the Historical Resources in the planning exception for the proposed project with the project 19 was approved on may 5th of this year full demolition of a resource on 41 street street and rehabilitation of one resource another 78, first street along with 3 nonHistoric Buildings and two mixed use at the because of fvrts tower an urban room in this urban room the proposed location set within one of the pedestrians passages to address the impacts on Historical Resources the project sponsor must complete mitigates for documentations and savage and recognition o relocation and the succinct of the program that is focused on several things Historic Buildings constructed during a relative short time after the earthquake and fire and the Jewish Business and Architecture Committee and the sutter Street Building and the Bell Building housing an early tool manufacturer since publication of the case report the staff has received no Public Comment on this the Department Finds the location to be adequate as it allows for public dismigration and paramount view and staff finds the content is reflective of the will project site in the commercial history in association with the manufacturing with the formerly research into the early Germany Jewish Community it is comments for you and further staff is asking staff to work towards the Interpretive Program with final approval by staff im here to take our comments and anything you think will improve this that concludes my presentation. Ill be happy to answer any questions you may have. I believe the project team has a brief presentation for you. Any questions. I do have a question. Commissioner pearlman is this before this commission or not required to. It not within the conservatism district within the center area plan and demolition of Historic Districts was analyzed in that eir. Thank you. Okay commissioner johns. I dont know with whether youre the right one heres the question Small Business ill appreciate if you can inform me a lot of time we have those interpretative displays and the sun residences them pretty quickly im interested in how the xray will be protected from the elements. Briefly the project manager will adequately describe this the urban room is 68 foot privately opposed open space and the location their prototyping e proposing is going to be shielded in the element i think hell be able to speak how to say shielded from the sun. Did the project sponsor wish to make a presentation up to 10 minutes. Good afternoon im sorry a Morgan Fleming a partner with the partners and one of the new ones im here representing high on a hill it calls to me er and most importantly ocean wide center we wanted to make a short presentation on the interpretive dismay im from new york city and preparing i guess one of the could he things the journey of last year as ive gotten to know our beautiful city ken burns said cities are a constellation of any stories thats what were here to explain for the ocean wide center a basically 3 stories that come out of the rebirth of the south of market after the earthquake so in terms of the presentation ill jump forward to the interpreted display and jump back to the description of the urban room 3 different stories i think the first one and a lot of those two stories were brought or the research by page and turnball i was wearing any pair of levy jeans i thought that levies was an iconic symbol of San Francisco it was once cloths it is now a fashion statement the first story well tell the first Street Building the state letter building one of the major extradite or oversees for las vegas straws i explained this project to any 10 why would she didnt realize that den im going to turn it over to were objects use for my wife and i an iconic brand of San Francisco 62 are first street was first developed in the years after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake it is one of the first building built in 1917 and it was used up until the statestatler they didnt survive as a company but weve least with with levi straws well have the second half of 78 first street the margaret well building another interesting story the building was built after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake but built to be a basically Machine Parts supplier of goods and products that were originally supplied by home city new york and the east coast and to develop Light Industry in the south of market district pardon me the third store we want to tell the big story the rebuilder of south of market after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and that people from schools and photo this is a view the subcontractor active display the please state your name and address is 62 first and the panel on the right is 78 first and the peaceable in the middle had been the interactive display to our question the display will sit inside the urban room this is what were proposing on first street had been raised up in the air wire creating an urban publicprivate park and the interactive display will not be on first street but inside of the park for people to read through the different exhibit. Heros a quick view of the overall photo copy of the urban room the first street is down in the lower portion of the plan and weve highlighted the position of the interactive display in reading rered that allows you to look at first street and look at 78 first street. Finally were using in the interactive displace that my final point with myth media well have photographs in the description of 78 first frafrts of the interior and book that was produced in 1922. So i hope that provides an overall the interactive display thank you thank you. Any questions for the Commission Open up for Public Comment anyone wish to comment on this agenda item seeing none, and hearing none, brkz bring it back to the Commission Im interested in the overall context i was glad to hear that apparently the interactive display that will be the chief area where folks can understand more about what happened for the landscape and the whole areas of south of market so my main comment it looks like people will know this is an exhibit there i want to when people come in to there is there Something Else that maybe needed i dont want to disrupt this landscape they can learn the history that looks like people can walk bit it i wouldnt anyway that was i think that is really important okay particularly the concept in which a brief comment ill agree as i have learned about youre beautiful city the rebirth of the south of market after the destruction of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake is incredible and the urn room is actually used to reinforce or pull people off of the first street and mannered through the urban room and so its the hope most importantly the interactive display allows for change over time but to expand the discussion how essentially this section of San Francisco reinvented itself in the 15 to 20 years after the earthquake. Commissioner pearlman. I think there is an interesting i iron worry talking about a display that is talking about the rebuilder of a part of our city over a 15 to 20year be period has part of display a building that is torn down to build a building were standing in to read the three display will be the building was torn do you think im sorry when you look at that was proposed to be torn down when you look at the corner it fits in as well as the front of 78 you mention why decision were made along the way and obviously this is way down the line it is approved but to me theres that i think guitar this is a massive disappointment to me this looks like a directory i appreciate the material that is in there it looks like they to directory kind of a massing than at the historic display station so i agree with commissioner johnck that i dont know if there is something in the floor braujs or lettering something to say this is not indianamerican most people will walk by it it didnt below market rate draw me in in a particular way so i am mixed about it i mean again, were sort of tubbing content this is a design issue relative to a new building the piece itself is a design issue the consent is about we tell stories the preservation is not the story i think that is what were judging thats my take on it im not so impressed. Commissioners if i may interject this commission as part of a transient center a hard with providing the totality of the interpretative displace you may review you know the way finding measures of the overall design and content if you want to provide use it will be incorporated into that resolution we do need to demonstrate that we have made hit this milestone as part of completion of the project and i assume as the Department Takes our comments seriously the project sponsor will make provisions to the proposal the commission may find it you want to see that again so it is entirely up to you. I appreciate that. Because again, i just if this didnt feel like i mean weve seen more presence to some in a location that i dont know it is hard to be on the spot what would i do to reinforce those things this is a thats a whole design this partnership has gone through i dont know if at any time fellow commissioners agree but to delineate this is a historical maker point as opposed to just this white framed thing on the side tucked into a beautiful landscape something comes forward to tell the public what this is. Commissioner johns. I agree with those comments and i was going to Say Something along those lines i wont now as far as our passing on approving the content the problem with that there isnt any consent except a pair of overhauls so i dont think that we can intellectually approve or disapprove the content i appreciate the comments and answer to any question this is an user room what is an urban room is this inside or outside it looks like it is outside it is and none has mentioned how this will be protected so it isnt just going to fade away if you could address those two things ill appreciated it. My apologies on not answering the question the urban room is essentially an outside space approximately the same height as the interior of the Ferry Terminal in terms of the will name atrium and it is open on all 4 sides but obviously due to the size of the building below the urban room a semi protected environment and commissioner johns. The idea is to create a urban publicprivate park where people can dwell and have lunch and meet and becomes a designation point and we placed the interactive play displaying in a way to not get direct sunlight and glass to protect the artifacts as well as the sequence for the interactive display hope that answers your question. It answers the question just one sort of what is going to be 9 procedure maybe this is directed to you and maybe to mr. Fry whats the procedure for us learning about the consent so we can make a decision about that. Commissioners tim frye were happy to bring it to the commission for final sign off the goal right now to determine if the project sponsor is going in the right direction and the major themes the content in the commission is fine with the general approach with the project sponsor the commission can talk about the detailing to staff to meet the final call whether or not it is complete but entirely up to you. Okay. Well, i would like for the commission to be able to give its opinion of content and im concerned the xray through approximately on a major thoroughfare not get lost so i would like to see something that tells people you know that there is an item of hyphenating interest over that way commissioner hasz. Thats correct you know the port actually did a nice job with their dpadz you see in great distance a black and white picture so maybe this review is Something Like that definitely the same design just a square but going vertical might help that quite a bit and plus we have a standard for all the landmark plaques and a feeling, etc. That should be looked at wrapped into the design a more vertical display. Commissioner pearlman in terms of the content we have two side panels and the center panel spoemg spoepgz with the interactive so that to me is the piece that is particularly important, of course, we want a level of accuracy in the history i know that turnball and society i trust them to do that what that is that would be a visit amount of information is day and age one can oh, you know, a lot so i would like to know what you know what is going to happen and kind of things noted you know there would be lots of mapping that send people to other locations talk about the story i mean this is a great opportunity i think to tell the bigger story about you know what is happening good afternoon christina with turnball you have the text for what we intend to put in the abduction that the buildings contributed to and well no longer exist when a few of them are demolished is speaks to a broader context area we could develop accountant more of that text we had intend to keep a resilient limited as well in terms of images we have a collection of images we did not include it in the packet staff give you for bereft it sake but photos from the San Francisco library that are street views over time for the mission intersection we also have images of the logos for 62 are first street and other photos as part of mitigation measures of what the buildings look like today, we intended to exclude so have some historic photos and perhaps sanborn map and black and white photos of Current Conditions that is intended for people to scroll through commissioner johnck. Im interested in hearing as we carry on the conversation im glad folks picked up on you mentioned for instance, other aspects of this trespasser 2i6 display we could be looking were talking about i mean this is a good word for what were talking about here. Yes, commissioners under the mitigation measures as the commission is presented or provides review and comment on the locations the way finding aspect was something that then sxhondz picked up on finding and commissioner hasz picked up finding a way to notify people there is something of interest in this general location to encourage people to visit the trespass active display thats my suggestion a number of ways to successfully provide way finding signs icons to make that comment and see how the project sponsor responds to that has a way to bring more awareness to the location. All right. That would be good and the other aspect any other additional mitigation measures related to this this is a. Mitigation. Yes. I mean this is a big deal this interpretive active. This is the only litigation that involves this commission. I have 3 comments. One last quick thing for the direction ever mr. Fry as talking about i brought of the pivoting madam chair program we debated and make that unique but common in all cities in the United States; right . A look and feel there is a historic landmark plaque acknowledgement and so getting more towards that i know youre in the modern location and building didnt have to be built but i think that provides a theme in peoples minds they say oh, thats historic black and white this is a little bit more existence. My 3 thoughts there is an opportunity to have a sidewalk marking along the reputing from the actual public path only fvrts and even on mission within leads one to this place i do think the design of the 3 penalize is pretty minimal and probably can be improved that on or elaborated vertical or not and at the risk of offering Something Better and having interactive display i want to ask we talked with our Culture Heritage Assets Committee had the arborist from the San Francisco Public Library and talking about this opportunity to have a interactive kiosk this is material and the curation of the material i forgot her name whats been susan gold stone it is w0shg9 having a conversation with her and whether or not they have the resources to have the kin activity but also oh, the intentionally Culture Heritage that the stories that have happened you know maybe even a connection to other landmarks so it is this building is half a block away. Exactly. Do we have a president a motion okay. Before we get to the motion id like to say to this project sponsor that i was impressed with the project i think that is going to be a really, really novice addition as far as 24 display opportunities to do things ever seen or things as nice as the opportunities are were not there yet to a certain extent a new for you folks there is new putting in such a xray not new for us but newish we have been working ourselves to try and figure out the best way or ways for interpretive displays to satisfy the desire that people have in San Francisco not to forget what went before and our desire to have those displays stand out but not be iuoe truthful they should be part of the things that theres needs to be more this is at general area but trust us is more than im rialto sign on for at this point because particularly i sensed this is an opportunity that if we Work Together we can have something really, really great so so anyone want to take a shot at the motion or ask for a continuance and have it come back before us. Commissioners if i may make a friendly suggestion ill make a motion on the resolution and incorporate our comments now youve made in if that resolution can provide as part of comments a request this item come back before you at a future date as the project sponsor needs time to pregroup and figure out what theyll like to present to you that maybe a way to one keep the project moving but having everyone understanding this commission expect to see that information again. If i could actually marseille with Department Staff if i can defer for the consolidated comments before we incorporate those one to introduce some way findings measures to sidewalk marking or other design measures lets see review the design of the panels elaborate on where their vertical or otherwise and 3 return to the commission for final playfully santa fe or for an interactive other. I apologize you had a great display but a better opportunity. We also i liked our idea about the linkage to other landmarks in the area that is is an expanded version what was presented right now the linkage for the explore allegiances in the text and the interactive display to other landmarks. Great incorporate that into another context. So is that sufficient you. I got lobbyist want to be clear im sorry, i didnt get our name from page and Turnbull Christina you said the information that in the packet is going into the display; is that correct. In the text. That is where im a little bit confused it seems like so thin you write an hr e about 62 first street with a lot of the supporting documents we have 3 paragraphs. I thought that was the summary. I didnt think that was is display you were telling you where were going do go with this. We were going in the text as professionals tell you that people dont read a lot of information we were trying to be as concise and keep it in the panels we can expand with the center of panel to add more information people can scan through that. It seems to me that you know you have the urban room and expect people to spend time and have lunch if i worked down there id go one and i think that people will go back ass as opposed to going to the amount and standing in front of something and reading something those are the kinds of places with an kiosk and something that you could encourage there is a lot of information dporntd that most off people wont read that some people will and weve talked about commission other fact that we dont have a lot of information on the streets about the history of our city even though the population of San Francisco you know loves the history of our city we love our stories and others cities do such a better job heros a moment in time oh, my god lets take advantage we can add more the history of soma were focusing on the Historic District 7 or 8 buildings looking at it as mitigation for the proximately but if we expand our view well discuss the eastern area of soma in larger terms. We look forward the building one half a block away what a great opportunity at lunch tomorrow ill check out the bureau net building and the comments over and over were telling the story the resurrection of this part of city not the 78 buildings so commissioner johns and i were confused thinking that is just a summary not a summary id like to encourage that we have a lot more information. Id like to point out this is a mitigation to a much larger impact to this area so our comments on this display can be narrowed to the xray but the reality it is a mitigation to a much greater unfortunate impact to the area so we should do more. That may lead to multiplied displays and the scale of this location the idea of that being a walking park and through way maybe and story told along the way and working out of with only corner i talk about that and maybe more than one kiosk. So did that make it more complicated. The story the feedback motion is well, i think that you covered the points now the question what kinds of a documented do we need to produce that will be useful in moving forward. Yeah. The Resolution Says therefore, be it resolved that we reviewed the proposal and we find it in full time of admission measure number it but we dont. We dont i think we have a consensus we dont. Is this continued. What do you recommend. Mr. Frye this keeps it on course and give us our opinion i dont want to delay the project but move forward with the display. Commissioners the mitigation is fairly explicit in lou gehrigs disease this commission an opportunity to review and comment but not necessarily approve the final product so the review and comment and todays hearing suffice to fulfill the admission, however, it is important for you to convey our comments not only to the department and project sponsor we expect to see that again, i that what will happen as if one passes this resolution it is primarily on us to make sure this comes book before this body certainly we want everybody to be happy and content this is one interpretive display were liking to see our comments are welltaken should be continuity between the obvious as they move forward we certainly heard you i dont think this hearing the comments will not holed up the project but condominium to bring this back. If we dont approve. Youre only adopting the motion youve reviewed it and essentially come applied point mitigation no where to preview this only the admission its come before you to comment on it. Marseille with Department Staff we should add advertised not complete until the installation so again as jonas is adding the recessing resolution is stating this component of the mitigation measure for our comment is complete but the actual completion of the measure had been much later years down the line so there are several years for you know input and review. This resolution gets forwarded to the ero so not an approval resolution by any means so as mr. Frye indicated i think that the team indicated not an issue coming back with and incorporating our comments into future dates. Ill give you our assurance on behalf of the ocean wide youve been horde and take our comments and we understand essentially the desire to use this opportunity to create Something Special and role wonderful and welcome the challenge and we welcome to come back obviously we need a certain period of time to continue working but welcome the opportunity to come back and hopefully impress you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. We should accept his offer laughter so. I make a motion to approve the review and comment as stated in the staff report and also request a resounding hearing of this thats right to be specified it sounds like we have years i dont know if we have to specific a date or within a year or 6 months or yeah. I dont know i dont think that is necessary for a date ill recommend the motion to incorporate the finding that. Our comments. multiple voices . Ive specified in the draft resolution the Planning Department will the final interpretive display before approving it number 2 that should be around 2017 anyone others is project team correct me if i am wrong that is an estimate for the permitting timeline we can remove that and leave it vague we believe that should be enough time to address your comments and come back to the historic Preservation Commission for final review. So that leaves a valuable timeline but within a year. Marseille if you can help us point to that part in the resolution well encourage the resolution to strike from the document. Over the course give me one moment in the draft resolution page 2 number 4, in the last sentence. Yeah, we can do that we can where it says therefore, be it resolved i mean. Justify above that actually where it says with regards to the timeframe it says that before Planning Department approval of addendum number 2 if the commissioners are interested in roving the timeframe for the review related to. I think the only timeframe so on the other hand, to have a second presentation brought back to the historic Preservation Commission. Thats all. Thats the only request. You so know that has to be before the approval of addendum number 2 and the timing on addendum number 2 United States of america is a crapshoot. laughter. my read based on a couple of commissioners comments you wanted to see the final content and want approval this reds drafts in a way it gives the department that final approval and so it is if the commission deserves we can modify that to allow you the opportunity to weigh in. Well change the staff to work change that wording to we wish this to come back before us and correct. Staff can continue to help to develop. As you always could. So you understand many commissioner pearlman to your motion. I want to make sure and im reading this again, the Commission Requests to see this strike out staff jonas can we have a general direction to remove the language of final approval by staff uhhuh. Yeah. I mean essentially our requesting that striking request staff to work with the project sponsor on final approval and saying the Commission Requests a second hearing prior to approve. For final approval of this entire reilly the entire thing the text. We can keep the language as is and shaurndz from sponsor and give the same assurance no approval by staff. We need to strike the staff to work with project sponsor and replace it with so it says the Commission Requests a second hearing before final approval right. Right okay. Is there a second. Thank you, commissioner. Theres a phrase and this Commission Finds the interpreter active display in the general full time of the measure 2. Thats right. You think we find this review and comments in general full time. laughter . It is in general fulfillment of the and directs. Were asking for final approval. It is general approval. I wonder about the general fulfillment i dont think it really does. Thats the issue we need to have this measure legislation for the issue to move forward. Commissioner johnck if the conclude by having this hearing and allowing the commission an opportunity to review and comment on it we are in general fulfillment that have mitigation measure than the commission will be adding only additional sort of caveat and saying but we want to see this before and we want to give it final approval. Go commissioner johnck maybe put your mind to ease read into the record the actual myths measure prior to alteration of the hyphenating resources are significant yadda, yadda, yadda and it will be pubically assessable i do not do i cant do and presented to the historic Preservation Commission for review and i got it dpot got it. Sheriffs station on that motion to adapt a resolution as amended with the historic Preservation Commission comments to be incorporated as finding as well as language in the resolution to have a second hearing commissioner hasz commissioner johnck commissioner johns commissioner pearlman commissioner matsuda commissioner hyland snoechlz unanimously 6 to zero. Were