for there bayview opera house, ruth williams memorial theater. [applause] everybody wants to go ahead and grab a seat or find a place to stand. we are so thrilled that the sun is shining on the bayview today. i'm tom ducaney and director of public affairs for city and county of san francisco, director of san francisco parks commission. on belandfall of my colleagues and commissioners it is a honor to welcome you all for the ribbon cutty for newly renovated bayview opera house and ruth williams memorial theater. [applause] the city of owns and operates 4 brick and mortar culturalsenter buildings, all of which provide affordable access to high quality arts and culture in communities across the city. built in 1888, the bayview opera house played an incredible role in the ist history of the bayview and beloved by all of us. i want to acknowledge members who are here today who are champions of the building over the e years and arts in the bayview neighborhood. in the front row we have family members of [inaudible] ruth williams [inaudible] children and grandkids and joined by marry booker. [applause and cheers] and mrs. doris [inaudible] and her family. [inaudible] welcome. on behalf of [inaudible] you are such incredible parts of making this a great space and arts qu culture hub and place for advancing racial justice in san francisco for years. [applause] we are thrilled to have mayor ed lee with us along with house democratic, nancy pelosi. assembly member david chui a great campion for the arts in sacramento. we have supervisor malia cohen. and i believe do we have supervisor scott wiener here today? no. president breed was going to try to join us as well. we also have [inaudible] george gas gone. i'm also joined on the stage by reverend calvin [inaudible] [applause] director of san francisco public works, mohammed nuru. bayview opera house vise president theo [inaudible] [applause]. and also our brilliant landscape architects walter hood. [applause [. i want to ocknowledge the san francisco arts commissioner is. we have jd veltram in the audience . i believe commissioner greg chui is with us. commissioner chuck collins. kimberley striker, thank you for all your work on behalf of the san francisco arts commission. i also see fellow colleagues here including [inaudible] department of environment. director elaine forbs joins by port commission vice president kimberley brandon and deputy director of [inaudible] civic engagement and immigrant affairs. police chief tony [inaudible] policy and government affairs for rec and parks department, alex randolph. board member and neighbor, hydra mendoza and parks commissioner eric mcdonald is here. thank you for coming and being supporters of this project. there are so many peto thank and so bear with me. we have [inaudible] to realize the transformation of the beautiful plaza and osaddress the less visible but improvement tooz the building itself. the project architects walter hood and paul cooper, amy elliott [inaudible] give them a round of applause. [applause] i also want to thank project consultant deborah [inaudible] other members of the project team is [inaudible] elliott who i believe is here with us today. i also want to acknowledge john updike from department of real estate. he is a incredible partner. [inaudible] vision of access to quality, words spoken by late colleagues carla johnson for mayors office of disability. [inaudible] the mayors office of disability was a champion of the project from the beginning and carla was here every day by our side make tg happen so today we remember her. [applause] i want to thank [inaudible] colleagues also from mayors office of disability [inaudible] john paul scott. [applause] next i like to thank colleagues at the capical planning committee for all your support for all cultural centers [inaudible] brian strom and staff from john updikes team [inaudible] i want to thank the city partner recollect public works and san francisco municipal transportation authority, mayors office of housing [inaudible] economic and workforce development. clearly the project was a city wide family effort and could want couldn't have done it with all you. there is generous support from kaiser permanente and [inaudible] here to celebrate. next and bear with me, this afs very big team work ong this project and can pass it [inaudible] executive director of bayview opera house, barbara [inaudible] [applause and cheers]. thank you barbara for everything you do every dayism we look forward handing the keys to you next month and you can come and open the doors every day [inaudible] lastly i want to thank colleagues at the arts commission who couldn't be here today because he is celebrating her daughters wedding back east, judy [inaudible] does a incredible job. [inaudible] which wh i came on board 4 years ago and it was [inaudible] judy has been the greatest champion and all the arts commission staff that are such a honor work wg every day and [inaudible] of the arts in san francisco. thank you arts commission staff, can you please raise your hand? i know many are here today. thank you. we mait through the thank you's and i assure i won't be [inaudible] it is my great pleasure and [inaudible] reverend calvin jones junior from [inaudible] thank you again. [applause] >> [inaudible] let's hold hands. thank you god. god we thank you for the time together and ask you to bless this occasion and lord, work and people that have put time in down through the years, we just thank you god for your grace and mercy. let this be a time where we can come together during the god times in our liferbs and even during difficult times in the city we can come together and see what god you have in mine for each one of us. continue to bless those in leadership and god, ask that you touch those that are being locked up, too many young people going away. help us and let us use our creative energy [inaudible] >> amen. >> god bless you. >> and now it is my great honor to introduce a true champion of the cultural center, somebody who made a great investment in the city over a life time, mayor ed lee. [applause] >> welcome to the bayview! well, i am so glad to join all you on this moment. i know today is a soft opening, but walter and mr. cooper gave a walk through of this restored gem-you have done a magnificent job. the whole entire team-i know tom went through all that, let me say thank you to everybody but most especially. -you know how much we spent on this center? it is serious money! serious money! like $5 million. that is serious money. why? because this is a serious center. it is a bit of historicsenter. more than community history, it has been family history. i can just imagine a few decades ago [inaudible] running around listening to the [inaudible] get sent out here and say, one of these days i will work at hrc and be a part of the city. i know tim said that because he was singing those songs when we were working at hrc 25 years ago telling me about the history of the community and how much his mother and family were contributors to this. it is family history along with community history. that's why it is serious investment. we are also making serious investments in the entire bayview along [inaudible] thanks to the leadership of malia cohen and others who led the way to inform us about the linkage that we have. this is a center of seriousness because i have been here when it was locked up. when it was-you have to go through locked doors to get from one place to the other. now we have a floating canvas where the kids go from the theater, from the historic flooring that have above it some really nice historic play house theater type of lights. you can say i can sing here, even though i can't sing. you want to be here to perform because this is where the youth will be really inspired with what the board is doing, what the directors are doing with the programming that is about to come forth hopefully in september when we officially open this up. you wim be proud of this investments. we are making investments not just in buildings but the people of the neighborhood. as i often said, we are not making new promises, we are all together carrying out promises of investing in the neighborhood. this is the bayview and promised when we built [inaudible] we will invest in more. this is another part. you have a new branch library and have more to come because the commitment we made investing in people at a important time because we can afford the investments and need to make it now and build more affordable housing and prevent evictions and help the homeless and make sure the police department is working for the community to do all the right things in public safety and da included. all this works together so this investment means something for people. that is why i'm here today to show my gratitude for the entire team from the board to the director to all the groups working together and to officially declare on this day july 20 to be bayview opera house, ruth williams memorial theater day in san francisco! [applause and cheers] ruth williams [inaudible] with this i take incredible honor and pleasure to introduce the next speaker. you all know her. she is a champion for our city, a champion for bayview, someone i know that if we got a chance in this country to bring her back she will be our dem ocratic leader, nancy pelosi. [applause]. >> thank you very much thank you for your time and for your great leadership of our city and focus on the bayview. i am very honored to be with all you. i was really looking forward to being here but didn't realize it would be on the very day. i always say, why don't you tell us earlier in the day so we can park around here without getting a ticket. [laughter]. anyway, it is really wonderful to be with all of you and to pay tribute to ruth williams. [inaudible] official family of san francisco. [inaudible] ruth williams family thank you for sharing this enthuse amp asm. carla johnson [inaudible] judge people not-[inaudible] what they can do not judge for what they cannot do. the physical accessibility is something very very important and it really is a example to the world when you see the accessibility here. that accessibility is one part of the accessibility. the accessibility to the yung people of this area to demonstrate what is inside of them in terms of the arts. that unleashes them with who they are to be who they are and not to be judged by who they are not. so many moms in bayview and hunters point and all over, when i go places, they say police support the arts for our children. it is a place where they gain confidence and enjoy work and learn they can do other things, where they find their creative spirit. that contribution is so important. this place is not only physically accessible, but spiritially accessibility as well. i'm very proud of [inaudible] the mayor put $5 million and we put in the first $200 thousand and barbara told me without the floor nothing else [inaudible] some of us were together 10 years goy when we celebrated [inaudible] i can say to my colleagues in wash ington it wasn't just about transportation but economic growth of the community and now the spiritially and intellectual and cultural life of the community. this is really a cause for great celebration. it is a recognition the arts are central to who we are as a country. [inaudible] over and over again, but more importantly and more personally to everyone here, lets the art sing to the community. [inaudible] every time we come here, one of the [inaudible] always say our community has the word unity in it. it brings us together. a person who works very very hard to bring us all together newly wed supervisor [inaudible] she is a champion for bayview hunters point and housing and fairness and safety in the community, the list goes on and on. [inaudible] how beautifully she spoke about the opera house inside and we'll hear that now. it gives me great pleasure to take the opportunity to recognize the leadership of your supervisor, malia cohen. [applause] >> well, by god, if you take a moment and take it all in,-- [applause] you think about what [inaudible] it is more than just a day of celebration that we are recognizing in san francisco. for those that grew up here, you know what the opera house means. [applause] the opera house was a safe space for people when they were rioting. the opera house was a safe space for school kids to come here. the opera house was a safe space for seniors to come and congregate. you know what the beautiful thing is about today? is that it bayview opera house will remain all of this. this is tremendous. you see the people on the stage before you? this is our gift to all of you. when i look out here you know what i see? generation upon generations of people that raised their families, that have been champions fighting [inaudible] i want to take a moment and pay the respect to the [inaudible] to the beautiful namly family of ruth williams, thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible] given us more than just a name to put on a historic building, she gave us a vision and she gave us a place where we can continue to teach and pass down our culture and pass on that vision. i want to recognize mary booker who kept [inaudible] alive and strong. [applause]. taught people how to act and how to project their voice and have stage presence and having stage presence is more than just being center stage. when you walk into a room you walk with your head held high and that is what mary booker taught us. [inaudible] that was right there with her. when i look in the audience i see so many service providers people who dedicated their lives whether working through the bayview hunters point foundation or [inaudible] or ministry on the plaza. [inaudible] everyone has a continued role making bayview hunters point more than a point on the map. this is a destination and home and community with real culture and traditions we will pass on from one generation to another. we are here to celebrate a wonderful day and historic absolute beautiful building and want to recognize the many talented people who made this come to fruition. it is always important to respond and respect and acknowledge those people who contributed beyond cht we need to recognize carla johnson who is still giving from the grave. she passed in the completion of the project and donated a sizable portion to the opera house. she was a city employee. [applause] [inaudible] bar people with disabilities to having access to this building and so this building is so center-center piece of the entire community. when you think about the construction we facilitated here in this building. ang leak thompson, belva davis are in the audience and facilitate being healthy. there are tremendous amount of people that deserve to be recognized. i want to recognize sister linda harrison who is [inaudible] [applause]. it is absolutely important we connect the dots of once people have left a [inaudible] it is how [inaudible] we are connecting the dots and make sure bayview hunter point get a piece of that action. we will build a program to connect [inaudible] right here to this building so we have our own state of the arts arts exhibit right here. you already heard recognition from barbara occul and bayview opera house board of directors but you know who else was pushed to the way side? i know you know him? how many know [inaudible] i don't know where he is but this is the man who opens up the building and closes the building and walks you to your car and cleans up what is left behind. this is a true gentlemen that had our back in this community. he is a unsung hero and asks for very little recognition. [inaudible] [applause] this opera house has been a place where people have come together to advocate for issues, important issues impacting our communities and that is what this opera house will symbolize from now for the next hundred years moving forward. we will be stronger and blessed by this and our responsibility to keep it in the community and keep it for us. thank you. [inaudible] supervisor of district 10. [applause] >> thank you supervisor. i want to acknowledge supervisor cohen fl her ongoing support. she committed a number of [inaudible] for the operation. third on third and continuing to make sure the programs here thrive. thank you so much. [applause]. next is great pleasure to introduce a city partner we could not have done this without who works in all the cultural centers to make sure they are up to code and community ready and that is director of public works, mohammed nuru. [applause]. >> i am very excited and proud to be part of this project as public works director and long time resident of bayview. this is where i raised my children and where i start my day, this is where i end my day. i'm right up the street here so i'm very happy this project has come to fruition of many years of work we have all been putting together to get to this stage. the bayview opera house is a community gem in our community. this is our neighborhood [inaudible] if you can feel the excitement i have, [inaudible] when we talk about san francisco, those from bayview this is our spot right here! [applause]. the work we have done here in san francisco will continue to make this building serve many more generations to come. as our neighborhoods evolve, it is important to preserve buildings like this to remind us of our history. at this time [inaudible] from our team, one of our partners with sfmta, director riscon, [inaudible] they were very instrumental helping bringing this project to fruition. please give them a hann. from public works, city architect, [inaudible] lopez [inaudible] who is on site every day. [applause]. janet [inaudible] they were all part of so many people coming together to make this project. please give them a hand. a couple things about the project. while we sit out here and enjoy the garden and stage and all the other places, there a lot of details and work that went into it preserving the building. an the other side from the ground level to the top was rebuilt while trying to keep the building together. the building is no very accessible and has 3 bathrooms, all of them are accessible. the stage is has a ramp that you can go in and someone in a wheelchair can actually be on stage and many many of the [inaudible] garden and hear a lot about the guard squn what the design of the garden is and how it came about. you all know, behind every successful project team there is architects and electricians, fire marshal and all kinds of people, so today [inaudible] i want to send all these people, so many of them for all the great work and contributions they have done to make this preservation possible. at this time, i t is also my pleasure to introduce a board member vise president of bayview opera house. she was born and raised in bayview and served on many city commissions and volunteer groups and serves as director of public affairs for our own golden state warriors, please welcome [inaudible] [applause and cheers] >> thank you. i was expecting [inaudible] good evening. this is great. i woke up this morning and was thinking about what i would say and they said i have two minutes and i was going to come up and say it is about time and walk off stage. many of you have seen this building transform, many have seen the neighborhood transform, but i'm excited because i can officially welcome to the bayview opera house, ruth williams memorial theater. [applause]. i want to particularly thank members of the community because this is your facility as much as it is ours on stage. as malia mentioned this is gift to bayview hunters point and the rest of the city of san francisco and i'm proud to be a part of that process. so, there has been a lot of build up to this event and as i was reflecting on this i tried to think of my earliest memory of the bayview opera house. when you talk about history and preservation, one person that comes to mind is my grandfather who raised me. he migrated from the south, punchsed a property on third and [inaudible]-you remember? and he put all his family in the property. the one vivid memory i have is he would walk [inaudible] pick me up from the opera house and save me from ballet class and [inaudible] it is those moments that shape me. if you look where we are standing to my left you have [inaudible] you have joseph lee jim, 3 strong institutions, cultural institutions, educational institutions in the physical fitness recreation center. 3 vital things i think the community needs and 3 vital things that shape the community and 3 things that we need to thrive. all that to say, that we all have-we take the personal responsibility to make sure that there is arts and culture in the facility and not only preserve the long standing history of many folks who come before me but also welcoming the new folks moving to a neighborhood and embracing bayview hunters point as their home. this journey will officially begin-i will say this date, september 17th. you can hold us accountable. [applause]. [inaudible] if you are on the board of directors for the opera house, please raise your hand. [applause] [inaudible] who works tirelessly for this moment and will continue to work tirelessly for the program and for this community. judy [inaudible] who is not here today. she is for the past 10 years has made this her top priority. supervisor cohen, when she speaks, when she says she is for the community, she means it. she walks the walk each and every day and we appreciate that. mayor lee, continuing on the promises that he addressed and i appreciate that and [inaudible] leader pelosi, you are absolutely right it started with 200 thousand$200 thousand investment and built this from the ground up and appreciate that. how many people with a show of hands are ateneded event or taken a class or participated in a program? keep your hands up because i have another question. this is not the end, this is just the beginning of something special and we need your commitment and need you to volunteer your time. hands are going down-[laughter]. we need donations. we need board members and staff. this is the beginning and hope all you can come on this journey with us and i appreciate it so much. [applause] before i leave, i need to introduce walter hood. walter came to had bayview opera house about two years ago? three years ago and i remember the first meeting. it was chair and microphone. a meeting with chairs and micro phone in the bayview is unpredictable to say the least, but walter listened and carried the vision out that was for the community and you don't get that all the time. walter, you appreciate you and we thank you. [applause] >> good afternoon everyone. don't hold it against me, i'm from oakland [inaudible] [applause] the next thing i like to say, [inaudible] do fantastic things. i just saw a young man on a scooter come up the stairs and come along the ramp and he came [inaudible] all of our kids should be able to experience all these landscapes. hopefully in his mind this is not something [inaudible] i like to thank [inaudible] [applause] [inaudible] this takes a village to make these projects. we only have 5 or 6 good projects [inaudible] you think 5 projects in 30 years and i loick like to say it will be great to have this project [inaudible] i want to come back and [inaudible] i want to see performances out here. [inaudible] the building does not [inaudible] thank you for giving us that mission and allowing us [inaudible] [applause] >> just one step away from the big moment of the ribbon cutting. i want to show a couple acknowledges. supervisor wiener has joined us. [applause]. and i believe [inaudible] give a big round of applause for all [inaudible] thank you so much for your leadership. i want to do two things, there will be tours available for [inaudible] are going to give tours. if you are interested after the ribbon cutting [inaudible] there will be tours for community members and get information about the accessibility features. the new bathrooms on the downstairs level will allow young people to go to the restroom without going all the way around. this is a [inaudible] at the bayview opera house. i like to invite some the neighborhood young people that are here today to come on stage to join us for the ribbon cutting. can we get some the young people here? come on stage. [applause and cheers]. this >> if you are a bayview opera house board member please join us. our elected officials hydra mendoza and [inaudible] join us up on stage, please. i need you to help us count down from 10. are we all ready? alright. please join me counting back. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [applause and cheers] please stay and enjoy refreshments. when a resident of san francisco is looking for health care, you look in your neighborhood first. what is closest to you? if you come to a neighborhood health center or a clinic, you then have access it a system of care in the community health network. we are a system of care that was probably based on the family practice model, but it was really clear that there are special populations with special needs. the cole street clinic is a youth clinic in the heart of the haight ashbury and they target youth. tom woodell takes care of many of the central city residents and they have great expertise in providing services for many of the homeless. potrero hill and southeast health centers are health centers in those particular communities that are family health centers, so they provide health care to patients across the age span. . >> many of our clients are working poor. they pay their taxes. they may run into a rough patch now and then and what we're able to provide is a bridge towards getting them back on their feet. the center averages about 14,000 visits a year in the health clinic alone. one of the areas that we specialize in is family medicine, but the additional focus of that is is to provide care to women and children. women find out they're pregnant, we talk to them about the importance of getting good prenatal care which takes many visits. we initially will see them for their full physical to determine their base line health, and then enroll them in prenatal care which occurs over the next 9 months. group prenatal care is designed to give women the opportunity to bond during their pregnancy with other women that have similar due dates. our doctors here are family doctors. they are able to help these women deliver their babies at the hospital, at general hospital. we also have the wic program, which is a program that provides food vouchers for our families after they have their children, up to age 5 they are able to receive food vouchers to get milk and cereal for their children. >> it's for the city, not only our clinic, but the city. we have all our children in san francisco should have insurance now because if they are low income enough, they get medical. if they actually have a little more assets, a little more income, they can get happy family. we do have family who come outside of our neighborhood to come on our clinic. one thing i learn from our clients, no matter how old they are, no matter how little english they know, they know how to get to chinatown, meaning they know how to get to our clinic. 85 percent of our staff is bilingual because we are serving many monolingual chinese patients. they can be child care providers so our clients can go out and work. >> we found more and more women of child bearing age come down with cancer and they have kids and the kids were having a horrible time and parents were having a horrible time. how do parents tell their kids they may not be here? what we do is provide a place and the material and support and then they figure out their own truth, what it means to them. i see the behavior change in front of my eyes. maybe they have never been able to go out of boundaries, their lives have been so rigid to sort of expressing that makes tremendous changes. because we did what we did, it is now sort of a nationwide model. >> i think you would be surprised if you come to these clinics. many of them i think would be your neighbors if you knew that. often times we just don't discuss that. we treat husband and wife and they bring in their kids or we treat the grandparents and then the next generation. there are people who come in who need treatment for their heart disease or for their diabetes or their high blood pressure or their cholesterol or their hepatitis b. we actually provide group medical visits and group education classes and meeting people who have similar chronic illnesses as you do really helps you understand that you are not alone in dealing with this. and it validates the experiences that you have and so you learn from each other. >> i think it's very important to try to be in tune with the needs of the community and a lot of our patients have -- a lot of our patients are actually immigrants who have a lot of competing priorities, family issues, child care issues, maybe not being able to find work or finding work and not being insured and health care sometimes isn't the top priority for them. we need to understand that so that we can help them take care of themselves physically and emotionally to deal with all these other things. they also have to be working through with people living longer and living with more chronic conditions i think we're going to see more patients coming through. >> starting next year, every day 10,000 people will hit the age of 60 until 2020. . >> the needs of the patients that we see at kerr senior center often have to do with the consequences of long standing substance abuse and mental illness, linked to their chronic diseases. heart failure, hypertension, diabetes, cancer, stroke, those kinds of chronic illnesses. when you get them in your 30's and 40's and you have them into your aging process, you are not going to have a comfortable old age. you are also seeing in terms of epidemics, an increase in alzheimer's and it is going to increase as the population increases. there are quite a few seniors who have mental health problems but they are also, the majority of seniors, who are hard-working, who had minimum wage jobs their whole lives, who paid social security. think about living on $889 a month in the city of san francisco needing to buy medication, one meal a day, hopefully, and health care. if we could provide health care early on we might prevent (inaudible) and people would be less likely to end up in the emergency room with a drastic outcome. we could actually provide prevention and health care to people who had no other way of getting health care, those without insurance, it might be more cost effective >> this lodge is home to some of the best fly casting pools in the world. these shallow concrete pools don't have fish. this is just a place where people come to practice their fly casting technique. ith was built in the 1930's and ever since, people have been coming here to get back to nature. every year, the world championship of fly casting is held in san francisco and visitors from all over the globe travel to be here. >> we are here with phil, general manage of san francisco rec and parks department at the anglers lodge. what do you think about this? >> it is spectacular, travis from oregon, taught me a snake roll and a space cast. >> there are people from all over the world come to san francisco and say this is the place to be. >> yeah. it's amazing, we have teams from all over the world here today and they are thrilled. >> i flew from ireland to be here. and been practicing since for the competition. all the best casters in the world come here. my fellow countryman came in first place and james is on the current team and he is the head man. >> it's unique. will not see anything like it where you go to compete in the world. competitions in ireland, scotland, norway, japan, russia each year, the facilities here in the park are second to none. there is no complex in the world that can touch it. >> i'm here with bob, and he has kindly agreed to tell me everything i need to know about casting. i'm going to suit up and next, we're in the water. >> what any gentleman should do. golden gate angling has free lessons the second saturday of every month. we have equipment show up on the 9:30 on the second saturday of every month and we'll teach them to fly cast. >> ok. we are in the water. >> let me acquaint you with the fly rod. >> nice to meet you. >> this is the lower grip and the upper grip. this is a reel and a fly line. we are going to use the flex of this rod to fling away. exactly as you moved your hands. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i'm a natural. >> push both arms forward and snap the lower hand into your tummy. push forward. >> i did gave it a try and had great time but i might need some more practice. i met someone else with real fly casting skills. her name is donna and she is an international fly casting champion. >> i have competed in the casting ponds in golden gate park in san francisco. i have been to japan and norway for fly casting competition. i spend my weekends here at the club and at the casting pond. it's a great place to learn and have fun. on a season day like this, it was the perfect spot to be. i find fly casting very relaxing and also at the same time very challenging sport. takes me out into the nature. almost like drawing art in the air. and then i can make these beautiful loops out there. >> even though people from across the globe come here to compete, it's still a place where locals in the know relax and enjoy some rely unique scenery. until next 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it is the meeting. >> call to order and roll call commissioner vice president adams commissioner dooley commissioner president dwight commissioner ortiz-cartagena commissioner tour-sarkissian commissioner yee-riley commissioner zouzounis is absent today, mr. president, you have quorum. >> all right. item 2. >> item two discussion and possible action on this board of supervisors file planning code medical service sacramento street neighborhood commercial integrity ordinance for the planning code to probably a change of use from a professional use to a medical use on the first floor on the sacramento commercial district affirming the declaration in the california environmental quality act and making findings of consistency with the general plan and the 8 policies of the planning code section and finding of the public convenience and welfare under the section discussion and possible action item are presenters are liv legislative aide at the office of supervisor mark farrell thank you. >> one moment let me turn on your microphone. >> okay. go ahead. >> good afternoon commissioner president dwight and members of the commission i'm a legislative aide to supervisor farrell the item before you is an ordinance by supervisor farrell it is a planning code engagement to prohibit the change of use from a professional service to a medical use on the first year or below in the sacramento street sacramento mcd a small-scale commercial districts with medical uses it runs among sacramento street from spruce to lion and medical officers and concerns that wralt and more active uses are replaced by medical uses they're prohibited on all floors except the business or professional services converted to medical at the going once, going twice with the u this change is in effect and the legislative fact to stop the active use use streets for the professional to medical services is essentially a conversion from office to office and not detrimental to retail active on the center the this is problematic as now the neighborhood is experiencing some businesses that are attempting to become business and professional services only to then convert to medical services that creates a pathway for the medical services not the intent so at this point supervisor farrell introduced to legislation to close the loophole and working with the city departments for the future neighborhood commercial overall to look at the right balance all over the place and better way to regulated what kind of uses phenomenon the commercial district this ordinance a neighborhood driven and hope we can count on our support thank you for having me. >> you mentioned neighborhood support for this is this a neighborhood initiated. >> it is. >> what, if any opposition has there been. >> there has not been. >> yeah. >> based on the one person. >> does this preclude medical cannabis medical cannabis is a spirit used by the proximity of schools yeah. >> commissioners any questions or comments no? okay. seeing none anyone wish to comment on item number this item please come forward >> yes. ace on the case and talk about this that is have parallel to other things i'm from the fillmore we call is the feeling no more than more with a cvd or other things that the community has we don't have neighborhood black businesses now i came to the commission maybe six or eight or 9 months ago four or five months requesting you to come to the fillmore to find out what i'm saying we have one individual well, i may be one individual but speaking for any community i may be one individual but i am the czar of the out exhibition i may be one individual but i'm the fulsome corridor ambassador but i'm here to say if this commission has failed us mysteriously and had the aau sedate to hold this speaking 13 hundred. >> ace that is about. >> i'm speaking particularly if you let people go to the board of supervisors and let me continue i say i'm speaking in parallel. >> and i'm here to say what the hell is happening to you all when i come down to the this the director the last time we don't have the minutes you say you don't have the staff what the hell with you in the business it if you don't have the moments about used to be your commissioner she was the vice president only two businesses on fillmore one not paying a damn dime and over one thousand dollars where in will world to do what she's done with our commissioners there was one of your commission what is going on with this city my name is ace and i'm on the case and i'll be speaking when i get a chance but now i'm talking particularly you're taking about cvd we don't have a cvd or a cac nothing but me, i'm the fillmore corridor ambassador if you don't want to recognize that thank you for allowing me to speak i created the government channel and be at every meeting and let the world know what is happening in the fell no more the mayor counted out in 2011 and after that business that clotted do you think they were black i'm representing the black community. >> thank you. >> anyone else like to comment on that particular item please - thank you. >> good afternoon commissioner president dwight and commissioners i'm tracey i'd like to speak to the top us. >> in parallel so i'm a small business owner in sacramento street and had a business antics no problem for 5 years and president of the sacramento street merchants association and have been pour the past 3 years my goal in the business community to bring together the merchant and promote safety so for everyone including the people that come to the neighborhood and trying to create for o more traffic for the district and more appealing for anyone to come and visit us things come and go and businesses close for different reasons we have a charming business district one of the strengths we add to the city what we have to offer, however, i've been challenged i had to leave any business to come here in the middle of the day to actually try to promote the very viable needs to protect small businesses you would think that is built into everything we're trying to do but 23468 i think that because reality is so challenging in the city the small business district are appealing 09 types of businesses we find ourselves having to occasionally be challenged and protect what those neighborhoods are about so as a small business owner as someone that is trying hard to create a great a business district that you know maintains part of viable for years and years to come we need to make sure this little loophole is closed so that i don't have to find myself constantly defending the commercial district with great retail businesses a lot folks that common i'm a pro change but i find myself not wanting to have the gaps of lack of traffic and businesses closed because of traffic we're seeing more and more of and to such a degree that people are disappointed when they start seeing and longer a longer gap so i just wanted to put that in front of you and also a member of the neighborhood board the association neighbors and your current president bill is away on family vacation so couldn't be here our former president charley he's away as well so just one quick note just our goal with the presidio heats association to have only businesses and services on the ground floor we realize that's a simple statement we're hoping that you'll support us and close that loophole thank you. >> thank you. any anyone wish to comment on item number on this item seeing none, commissions. >> any comments. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena i'm familiar with the corridor when i used to be in parking at the laurel land i know sacramento street and the corridor i understand there is a lot of medical facilities large medical facilities and axiliary medical supplies a natural fit you can't compete with large institutions like this so i commend you and thank you for taking time out of your day to come here. >> commissioiner vice president adams i wanted to second this is straight up legislation i totally will support it tracey you've going done a great job with sacramento and wanting until you came and opened up your shooting shop you made an different especially on saturday a thanksgiving. >> serve as an example for all business districts cvd are organized by the citizens in them so not falling on the government to formulate the businesses do we have a motion. >> i move second. >> in favor. >> i. >> i. >> that item passes 6 to zero one absent. >> thank you. >> awesome thank you for coming out appreciate it. >> may be one less time you'll have to do it. >> keep on doing it. >> all right. item 3 presentation and possible action on the board of supervisors file initiative ordinance tax regulations and administrative code on the taxing of the affordable housing and homeless services business registration and reductions motion submitted at the voter to be held on november 8th and ordinance amending the tax regulation code and administrative code to reduce the business registration fee on persons with one million dollars in gross receipt and impose a new one .5 percent in companies dwaengd in the city with affordable housing and homeless services and increasing the decided appropriation limit by the amount of tax from november 8th to section and discussion and possible action nicholas of the office of supervisor mar but due to family emergency not able to attend commissioners you're welcome to have discussion. >> it's not clear if this stem will end up on the ballot i think that is worthwhile for us if we want to discuss it and perhaps make a statement policy statement from this office so i my thing is not working commissioiner vice president adams. >> if anyone for public comment or make a motion. >> okay so open up for public comment if anyone has any public comment on the tech tax please step forward. >> yes. circle on this item parallel to what you're talking about you're talking about the cvd and all the extra things in the community i'm here to say parallel the fillmore which i call the field no more have none of those entities the city and county you started a cvd and close it for corruption we closed others businesses for corruption and now have nothing but me myself and i ac e the fillmore ambassador i want you to respect that i'm not one african-american standing up talking with shades on in any community over thirty years anticipate served it before this department was put together your current director was ross and she know dog on right what i'm talking about that's why i'm frustrated i came to her and trying to find out what the heck is going on you have a board member ms. white not only that the vice president but the vice president had all the information so you all going to tell me as a small business administrator how does one open up a business when you have a corrupt business across the street where is that in america only san francisco so your commission is responsible for everything i'm bringing up here every week until you come to the western edition to the fillmore and do a tour with a business meeting my request as a fillmore corridor ambassador come to the western edition and hold a meeting and the talk about small businesses and tell you and show you without a doubt we have nun they're corrupt that is run by the city and county of san francisco now i am spanking you on your wrists but then in writing and above our head what the hell is going on you have a director that knows and x commissioners yet we in the fillmore don't have no black businesses every other business is flushing and as in fact, we don't have none to work and that will stop under any regime anyone that is listening to the tv station i helped to create the san francisco government channel due forgot it my name is ace and i'm on the case and i am the fillmore corridor ambassador and speaking whether you like it or not. >> any members of the public that would like to comment on that item seeing none, commissioners. >> i'd like to make a statement i'd like to sense this is going to the board of supervisors i'd like to to say the small business commission opposes the lobbying of payroll tax and any businesses in the city and county of san francisco and 2012 san francisco voters approved a replacement of payroll taxes with gross receipt taxed for all businesses and that's in the middle of a 5 year transition plan not writing implementation of the selected payroll stations is inconsistent with the legislation approved in 2012 so i'd like to put that forward as a motion saying that i know we should be opposed to it. >> as a policy statement thank you. >> commissions any comments thank you sorry my thing is not working. >> no comments. >> okay would anyone like to second that motion. >> i'll second. >> okay. >> okay. >> read the motion back again. >> go ahead and read back. >> the proposed motion is the small business commission opposes las vegasing a payroll on any business in the city and county of san francisco in 2012 san francisco voters approved the payroll gross receipt for all businesses and that 5 year transition plan is now in process implementation of a selective payroll is inconsistent with the payroll in necessarily shall we roll call vote. >> okay. >> commissioiner vice president adams commissioner dooley no. >> commissioner president dwight commissioner ortiz-cartagena commissioner tour-sarkissian. >> commissioner yee-riley commissioner zouzounis is absent okay this item passes 4 to two with one absent. >> all right. on to item number 4 >> item 4 discussion and possible action on letter of support regarding the preservation in valencia and discussion and possible action item and your presenter will be commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> commissioner president dwight i request to obtain stain from any possible action since i'm presenting and on the advisory board with the sfmta and all the stakeholder. >> so we need to have a motion and second and a vote of approval for - well, not an abstention but a rule i motion we recuse commissioner ortiz-cartagena from this presentation is since he's presenting. >> second. >> and we need to take a vote on it. >> to recuse commissioner ortiz-cartagena from voting on this item okay roll call or. >> in favor. >> i that that item passes. >> at the time of the action to remove of us and and for the passage in favor commissioner ortiz-cartagena and the number that passing 5 to zero one absent and one recused and then well, he wasn't recused - actually he takes action on this he's not officially recuse. >> the motion passes 6 to zero one absent. >> all right. and then also for additional information from the sfmta is here in case nor detailed information you may need on that particular topic. >> all right. susan. >> commissioner president dwight thank you for having me. i'm here today representing representative as a small business owner and long rent born and raised of mission district and have a letter drafted as our president says have it in writing so drafted a letter hope you'll agree how it effects small business and let me start by reading so i would like to urge that we support a process to make an informal process when was middle parking with the delores to be a form process let me even if review the letter we support memoranda parking with the mission corridor after a year the stakeholders reached a contention to allow for the continuation of memoranda park with agreed on modifications, however, the new residents not familiar with the route of the culture traditions of the neighborhood have so you get to accomplish the process one stakeholder which was by the way, myself was absent given the parking with the majorities voted against the agreed upon proposal not only an additional obstacle for those who come to the neighborhood for gashthsdz by the small businesses in the corridor will be harmed the longtime organizations if the mission are chord tenants with the regional shops and before returning to their homes outside the city with gentrification and displacement few have opportunity to visit the mission and not found in chain stores - the memoranda parking has been more difficult for customers who rely on private transportation to complete such shopping trips particularly for consumers and those who purchase a large volume of merchandise and medium parking is an inconvenience but people are being displaced from the neighborhoods because of nutrition u gentrification those preserve the traditions the ability for customers to revisit and transport the good idea to their homes is essential for the connects of longer customers given the skaters of the public parking it operationally is a viable option in essence i want to say look those institutions were expanded in a commenced neighborhood and been the anchor tenants when the mission was dangerous new residents have a right and now have been adapted the mission district and the small business corridor is a regional corridor with a lot of ethnic businesses and medium parking constitutes a primary reason those people traveled into san francisco and the mission district not only this is a gentrification but to small businesses small businesscan't you to agree the reason that was vote against i the equalizing vote had a familiar emergency and this is public information where the minutes were recorded and are posted on sfgov website. >> has the mta in - are they in agreement with our plan to i mean have you worked a plan to accommodate their need. >> for over the year they were the facilitator and everyone in the community came and this practice is an informal practice that let the stakeholders to make it a formal practice those institutions understand that the committee was an inclusionary they know what the residents wanted and say we've been here before california existed some institutions were here before san francisco were so they tried and we did come up with a process and sfmta facilitated letting us know you know given us idea for a strurtsd process so as a result what you're asking for it is median parking that is permit during a timespan on a sunday or - >> correct we came to the contention come up with a formal process that is something that is happening informally to make everybody happy on all sides. >> commissioners, any questions. >> this is going on as long as i remember in the mission and always worked and . >> and it happens in other neighborhoods that are more influential i would like to say politically perhaps so it is funny that a community that has been gentrified out and small business english as a second language are targeted that's the greatest impact regarding this proposal. >> i have a question has been the case for many, many years on sunday's; correct? >> yeah. >> specially on van ness when did this practice stop. >> it's not stopped. >> so the same an delores street; correct? >> correct. >> does the present practice violate parking code. >> not enforced. >> so, yeah. >> so instead of making again an informal process we're like hey stakeholders make that formal and listen to everything whether you live here two or three years a lot of the oldest stakeholders want to view the community and urban design part of the process there was a consensus that was reached to formalize the parking and the business community is in favor of this formalization. >> we had a letter of support from henry i can't say. >> yeah. >> so the merchant corridors are in favor. >> okay just to be clear other than subpoenaed where or what are the other days you're trying to legalize parking. >> and john from the sfmta when it comes to specific but technically sunday and a few other times friday evening arrest saturday it is specific and it is very directed to help those institutions draw the constituents. >> and you have the support of businesses for this. >> yes. >> and the institutions that are technically nonprofits to have a great vacuum of constituency that outweighs the constituents but want to be supportive of everybody in the process. >> without the churches where delores heights or so in the western edition the churches or pacific heights the double parking on sunday and special holidays and stuff is permitted and the city worked with that and you know granted they never enforced it but been a helping out of the - you know is helped everybody a no-brainer. >> i know there is agreement in others neighborhoods with during the course so good for you. >> the situation new resident call for enforcement of the parking restrictions. >> yeah. but part of the progress and the consensus plan we present to the board of sfmta they voted away i wasn't there so they would like to borrows the current situation regarding parking. >> what were the objections. >> that your parked illegally here in medium and causes the traffic it is an inconvenience. >> did you say that they're still negative impact on the traffic. >> i mean i'm not a traffic person but like commissioner vice president adams said is it so happening before the existence in that community i don't want to say it didn't create congestion but for small businesses congestion is a good thing in a sense we want the volume of traffic in the community. >> okay well should we hear in the mta representative briefly. >> good afternoon. thank you i'm john i'm a planner at mta. >> hi john. >> in the committee i didn't come with is prepared presentation at all but i guess speaking to a couple of the comments you know this is been a very contentious issue within the neighborhood for a number of years commissioner ortiz-cartagena is correct the parking is gone on for decades we have records of complaints filed about that practice for many, many years and as he rightfully said parking enforcement is deprioritized fewer parking control officers and most of work in the court the parking problems are more important we will cite safety issues we did - did do a bunch of community outreach definitely true the people that live in the neighborhood have fairly strong opinions we've not finalized the question does mta have is a proposal we've not finalized one but hopefully to the boards on the 16 in the survey of residents we find about 50 percent would be willing to find a fair everybody can park solution 74 percent wants to see the parking go away go together i want to be careful, you know, we had a what appeared to be a developing consensus among the committee members as we went through the - as rightfully said the 4 to 3 vote with one person not there in favor of the parking and one committee rules for adopt a recommendation so the committee is not come to an official recommendation. >> is the committee going to vote against. >> we did the san francisco neighborhood services & safety committee went to reconvene so have all the people vote and the members that voted in the park indicated they're not interested in participating. >> okay. so so for in your evaluation did it represent a safety issue. >> i think. >> the perspective of the mta. >> the committee identified a number of issues caused by the medium parking we saw an expert data and analysis the safety was one issue we found potential safety issues recommended to cars that park up to the intersection that block the visibility of people we're talking about and biking and late at the night there is if you're not technically supposed to park there sometimes for cars up until 4 in the morning that means someone in driving in delores they - >> so one place the committee in its final recommendation attempt recommendation had completed agreement whatever happens with the parking that is formalized pull back from the corners for voishth and the fire department is waterproofing in agreement to changing others parking practices. >> okay. >> were there statistics about problems or accidents a record for . >> no record we did a we hear aspires about cars hitting you know definitely have been collisions we did a collision review we didn't find a pattern that suggested that somehow on sunday cars were parked there that go collisions happen for people walking that type of - and i have a question subject to those elements on the corner and lots that were issues were addressed did you say that it can be safe to park in the middle and yes. i believe that's our position and second since you're the expert in dealing with the businesses it is beneficial to both sides; correct? to have this parking allow certain hours of day. >> the feedback that i think one of the issues that's glonts years the - there's been an idea people parking there is going to church that is unfair bend the process people parking an delores with were going to church but in the afternoon to the shops the general feeling all the shops benefit from people being able to park on the medium and the commissioner mentions formalized and clearly formalized everyone is allowed to be there probably not 100 percent any group of people agree on anything but most of them seem to be supportive. >> one final question you may have said it just to be clear what's the next step for dallas fort worth the restrictions and allowing the next step. >> our anticipated next step we'll put together a formal proposal for the board i'll say it likely will be for delores tooiptd we're having conversations and we'll be taking it to the extension at this point in time to our board on august 16th. >> so the fact the vote - commissioner ortiz-cartagena since that an inclusive review you'll look at >> thank you thank you very much for coming today. >> commissioner - i'm sorry did you have a question. >> come back. >> commissioner yee-riley has a question. >> is this thing not working again. >> it is. >> john thank you for your presentation and also you talk about the next step so what about are you looking at the time limits for people that are able to park there. >> same car will not be there the whole day. >> yeah. probably the easiest way when we come forward we thought the committee developed into a commenced proposal we were trying to avoid mta to approve this we worked through that and at this time it was limiting the hours on delores and the question to allow friday nights life enrichment committee where that currently happening not limiting - limiting to certain hours on friday nights and serve the businesses and saturday morning and most of day on supdz we've not talked about two hour parking or any sort of you can only park for a certain number of hours that's not been the conversation at this point in time. >> i think that is beneficial for the businesses because they're available for other customers. >> that's a very good point we're proposing to bring forward on the 16 to the board meeting not a specific proposal but we're asking them to provide approval or direction on a direction do we want to formalize or get rid of it we want to hour the committees work so i think that's a great point wears getting direction to find a way to formalize the parking that's to be routine by the planning commission, and may be acted upon by a single roll call vote important conversation. >> did you you talk with the churches about i know that sometimes 2 hour time limit can be short for them i hope you - >> give them enough. >> 8 member committee and met monthly with a larger group of churches and synagogues to talk about the issues again, we didn't talk about the time limits if this is something we'll pursue but talk about that with the churches. >> first step determine if you'll move forward or not. >> thank you very much commissioners any other things or open up for public comment okay anyone wish to comment on item number this item. >> one moment please we have a speaker card we'll call those in order. >> good afternoon commissioner president dwight and commissioners my name is a mr. kim the pastor of corner stone church, i appreciate the opportunity to share the one that john led again kudos to john for facilitating a challenging issue four almost a year nature briefing i represent a church that parks only guerrero on both sides and if you've never drivenl through that the church we've been working with we fully release it is - given the level of traffic not an issue we also have the informal guidelines we've received from the sfmta and identified volunteers and coned off the areas and leave a couple of parking spaces on the medium for the left hand and we are as responsible as we can as a matter of fact i'm the one that called the mta to ticket our church members that stated too long on guerrero but as part of committee i do want to request that the commissioners support the letter and a formalizing this is one of the contention issues because of the ine informal clarity we can and can't park here and involved guerrero as well as delores and i'll say if i lived on delorsaw or two cars we're requesting i support this potential issue to formalize what happens on the sunday and we're working with the judiciously synagogue and realized this impacts the city and as church of 2000 people and almost 15 hundred on a weekly basis we believe we bring a strong customer base to the mission district we know a lot of the businesses and restaurants and also as william suggested whoops. >> our church has been there thirty plus years at a time when there was not a hip place to be or favorable place we recognize a number of people that moved out and this is a provides availability for those to come into the city. >> thank you for coming out and talking about. >> any other speaker cards. >> next is ace washington. >> first of all, i want to apologize i was aggressive you have to realize commissioner recused himself if the mission street and been there many, many years same thing i thought born and raised in the fillmore and felt you had a commissioner on your board that shellfish recommended the fillmore i don't know when you talked about issues in the fillmore you should recuse unifying but i'd like to know and perhaps need to find out maya angelou let me say i apologize if you feel i'm aggressive i have been called many things but a community activists born and raised in the fillmore you talk about gentrification if you been to the fillmore the gentrification it is and the body language let me say one thing i'm going to ask on the way you react to me, i'm an individual in the fillmore i'm going to speak on item 10 and request you come to our community and see if i get a nice response and talking about the fillmore and then not have to come up and give up and actor as angle activist i've been called a lot of things here and revolutionary no i'm a visionary i've been in the community many years from the user renewable we know as urban renewable you don't give a damn about it i'll talk about small businesses on the tenth item. >> members of the public like to comment on this item seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners we have any more comments. >> motion in support of letter to the sfmta that william read earlier. >> i second that motion. >> okay roll call vote. >> all right. >> the motion is to support the letter commissioiner vice president adams commissioner dooley commissioner president dwight commissioner ortiz-cartagena is recused commissioner tour-sarkissian commissioner yee-riley commissioner zouzounis is absent that that item passes 5 to zero with one absent and one recused excellent. >> okay all right. item number 5 an update. >> item 5 update on the legacy business deduction item your presenter is richard legacy business program manager. >> welcome richard. >> thank you good work richard legacy business program manager i'm slick rick i'm here asked at the last san francisco small business commission to come forward on a presentation with the legacy business and where we are and heading so i have a july 2016 report in your packet and have a slide presentation. >> as of july 20th we've received 78 pneumonia and 26 applications and 9 of the applications have been reviewed by the historic preservation commission and 10 applications are currently in review by the historic preservation commission the 9 applications reviewed by the historic preservation commission were reviewed by the commission on the 20th of july i have them listed on slide number 3 and is 10 applications currently in review will be coming before the commission on the 3rd of august and they're ten of those listed on slide number 4 >> i'm going to take a few moments to talk about the highlights additional items in the report but those r some of the highlights and the slide is the majority of where we've been and take a few moms in april of 2015 the legacy was established and a secretary hired and august 28, 2015, the commission secretary was the secretaries last day october 2015 the application was completed and received our first nomination november 2017 prop j passed april of this year commission secretaries first day after 8 months vacant and development the process and updated the instructions and posted on the website. >> on june 21st our first line applications were sent to the historic preservation commission and july 5th was my fizzed day and we added chinese and tagalog to the registry page and july 10th we sent 10 applications to the historic preservation commission and july 20th the first 9 applications were read by the historic preservation commission and on august 8th the 9 applications approved by the historic preservation commission were come before the small business commission we have created a calendar to show the deadlines for the applications based on the historic preservation commission and the small business commission hearing dates if this commission decided to extend the business assistant grant application to december 15th which is what we're proposing the deadline for applications is october 3rd and that will give us a few more opportunities between now and then to get operations to the historic preservation commission. >> i have a quick question for the business legacy not the assistants; correct? >> this is for the registry that's correct. >> i have a question about the deadlines what do they - >> the historic preservation commission has thirty days to review the applications siding the second column is thirty days before the thirds column and thought that is prudent to give the legacy business program staff two weeks to rusts applications to so the first column is before the second column to give us time to review the information. >> actually what you mean not a set deadline we're taking the commission the historic preservation commission and then setting a date two weeks earlier. >> yep. >> as. >> yeah. as a recommendation we highly recommend to us by the third and the actual deadline to the historic preservation commission on the second column so we're working with that most importantly. >> benefits the legacy business program we have a business assistant grant for all registers and grants $500 per employee for june 30th and we expect up to one hundred ftes we expect 60 to 75 recipients and extending the deadline. >> can you clarify the first bullet for all registers for people on the registry versus the landlord so the next grant. >> potentially vail. >> yes potentially vail. >> let's be clear on the same ticks. >> we mutt keep the expectation mark farrell be registered on the registry didn't domicile you to a grant it makes you eligible to apply a grant. >> and just also point of conversation for the second step that is to get the grant we are going to be setting some deadlines and working towards them. >> guidelines and deadlines and applications. >> if i may take a quick moment the calendar that rick presented with this calendar let's see on the power point part of - because we want to insure that when we get to dealing with the ability to be able to administrator the preservation grant we can clearly community to the applicants that if they want to participate in the 16, 17 grant circle the deadline they need to insure if they're interested in participating the deadlines they need to insure they're a legacy business registry application is submitted to the office for us to be able to process it in time them to be on the registry for them to meet the grant filings. >> okay. >> on bullet number 2 grants equal to $500 that's a grant a maximum grant equal to $5; correct? not automatic. >> not automatic. >> an mainstream that can be up to and not to exceed $500 per ftes and again, i'm just trying to clarify so people don't immediately start calculating their grant based on the number of ftes times 5 hundred that's not the case it is dependent how many requests and your ability to distribute a limited sum of money to a group that will likely over describe that fund so maybe less than $500. >> ; is that correct. >> i apologize for the miss language. >> the power points sometimes there's shorter language and sometimes not a good thing. >> i want to clarify that is the place to do it. >> i appreciate that and the stabilization grants those are for landlords that do the estimation of 10 years and the wording from the legislation on the power point grant will equal 450 up to $4.50 up to a maximum of 4 hundred and we estimate that. >> i have a question. >> r or do we estimate to accommodate them. >> yes. >> the estimates come from the budget we've received and trying to get. >> rough. >> this is not an estimate of the number of people we think will apply for the grant stabilization our ability to meaningfully distribute. >> it is a little bit of both. >> i think in terms of the what we're looking at as we're righting the budget number is the actual outlet of the property owners interested in signing a 10 year lease and then those that will be extending their lease to a total of 10 years i mean it would be an under estimations with the terms of the applicant with their leases that it is more of an kind of an estimations of those property owners the actuality of property owners engaging in a 10 year lease and communications with the investment neighborhood teams that with work a lot of the businesses as they're trying to secure leases or new leases the conversation they're having with property owners. >> the $4.50 per year or month. >> per year. >> and that should be noted that also for the businesses assistant grant it is a yearly grant and has to be reapplied for every year. >> and application is july 1st to september 30th just to make it simply we'll round up to $0.38 a month per square foot. >> i have a clarification no, not at all. >> the process on the registry to grow the application through the historic preservation commission; correct? >> yes. >> yes. >> now for the second step the business doesn't have to grow back to the historic preservation commission. >> no the applications; correct? >> the application is i'm sorry. >> the application is filed and then final determination is made by the small business commission and then once the commission makes it adjudicate it is places on the registry or not placed on the registry and then if the application for the ability for that business to submit an application for the preservation grant do that during that grant cycle application cycle they'll be able to do that or wait until next year the rent stabilization grant will be inevitable for a property owner on the registry that's role it during the year. >> for the grant application it does not have to be submitted to other commission. >> right and per prop j so we will be doing the reviews of the grants soon the determination so you'll be making the i have - sorry the commission will hear all applications for the registry then you will be making - approving grant guidelines or approving or making changes but voting and taking action on grant guidelines for us staff to - for the grant programs of which those will not come back unless you want them but woolen going to be working targeted procedures staff will be approving the grants based on the approval guidelines you approve. >> did does that answer your question. >> so not to backtrack i want to clarify so the grant of up to $500 per fte it also is up to $500 per year for per fte. >> 5 hundred directing per not per fte and while that grant is not really intended those grants are a populations to labor hours but a grant - >> you'll be making the determination so not today but at the next meeting you'll be making a determination as to - we're going to be putting forward recommendations on what those grants can be used for and their application and we'll be you'll be making the decision on what you determine are appropriate items for - >> we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. >> it is you've to think of that in metrics we said and often small business think per dollars per power if i might to clarify one clarifying expectations $500 per fte amazed to $41 per month per fte it qualities to $0.25 an hour. >> that's the moment. >> can you say annual grants. >> i'm putting in perspective that $500 is equivalent to $25 an hour if you work an 8 hour work and take vacation just in perspective in a time when minimum wage is circulating at the one dollar per year okay so again, this is very important to me as the president of this commission and this hot low discussed matter that the stepgsz about the maximum benefits will likely benefit and what are the kind of just the understanding of what those benefits amount to say important i think the estimation has been created in the public this is a silver bullet and it is not so i think that we have been criticized because we have businesses out there that think we're standing between them and survival. >> and so i offered those two carry on thank you. >> thank you. >> yeah. i just i want to thank you commissioner president dwight you expressed my sentiments we're holding fund and recommend or ask like if there is fte you know if there is 5 hundred ftes what is the maximum if we spent all the funds on ftes what's the maximum so small businesses also understand that you know there's not an unlimited resources for every particular prom to that point thank you at the last meeting he requested not only this presentation but the presentation of the best case scenario for you know quite a few a couple scenarios whether a rauntdz or likely applicant and what they might expect under the absolutely best case scenario how it effects their business i think outside the box anyone that does business planning for survival planning around this program needs to understand in the best of words this might impact their survival by the way, it is not the intention and a our fiduciary responsibility to make sure we don't make a grant to a business that is going to fail regardless the fiduciary responsibility of this commission to make the grants with the expectation the reasonable expectation that that grant will have a positive effect on the survival of the business and not delay the inevolve. >> thank you commissioner president dwight thank you that should breakdown by hours those grants are not for you to add one hundred employees to the false implication out in the media what is the impact of 25 crept if you administer the funds. >> do you notice a hundred thousand dollars for your businesses to survive you need our bank. >> okay sorry richard. >> joined the conversation 0 so we talked about the rent stabilization grants and property the tenant acquisition grants for the non-restricted property owners that's lose language that is registers to apply. >> it means the business owner that leases their maybe in how do you call it a non-party not leasing from our parents or nephews so this is to a building. >> to be determined and where again loosely estimating 6 to 10 tenants. >> have we made some rough estimated carve outs for that part. >> we - so again we're just providing you with a high-level overall overview and at the next meeting you'll get this ahead of meeting we're developing and solidifying the guidelines from work that the investments neighborhoods program has been successful some of it will be for the ta improvements around helping around securing the leases to but again more to come. >> and this - >> this will be a one time grant; correct? >> correct. >> one time grant and get any bearings are we talking about closer to one thousand dollars or $10,000. >> much one hundred thousand dollars grants. >> closer to one thousand dollars or $10,000. >> closer to 10 yeah. >> so, so that 3 has meaning in weight and the ability to help businesses secure what and again, the invested neighborhood the work that is done with some of the businesses to be able to secure and 5 year lease with some of the improvements just helps to do some stabilization. >> all right. >> a point of clarification about the - the 10 year lease and the dollar and $0.50 with a maximum of 5 thousand just to be clear a one time payment not a yearly - a yearly payment so long as you get into the program that payment will be renewed each and every 12 years for the number of years that specified according to the lease extension. >> okay. >> so this is not - as long as they're in the program those 4 recipients remain in the program. >> their they will remain eligible for both the business assistants grants and the rent stabilization grant a reapplication every year but they've been initially qualified the reapplication will be less a more simplyer application let's say for the business assistance grant we could be based on ftes and the next year the business could have fewer ftes or a greater number of ftes there maybe differences and for the you know the rent stabilization grant we want to insure the business is occupying that says that a business could decide to close and move and others variables not continue through the 10 year lease so their say requirements for the revifshgs but make them relatively insure and commissioner ortiz-cartagena revealed another aspect as the companies are followed by - without increasing the policy increasing the availability of - >> yes and no. >> i want to clarify that point as you're getting more landlord in the podium you are dividing the pot equally among the recipients. >> get more money yep. >> rick will be later in the power point showing you that part of the work we're going to be beginning to at you know - we'll be beginning to work with the businesses registered to early on make those dermsz in terms of trying to get ahead of what the grant request will be to be able to provide a report to the board of supervisors and to the mayor and so put those numbers before them and up to the mayor and the board of supervisors to determine whether they will increase the you know the amount of funding to the program if it needs it so again, it will be our reporting to make that determination in terms of what is the potential utilization and if there's no funding change the numbers increase and what the gra amounts look like this will be part of reporting obviously for you and because as part of budget requests that that you will be likely we'll be prebt to you and you'll be likely you know making a determination as to you might want to push for a budget increase and then the board will make the determination as well. >> business assistants is for the registries and that meaning they're eligible for business assistance if they want and we're estimating 77 assistants low receive that primarily this through the business services but we have other tools in place as well. >> and then promotion marketing working on the aspect so there's more later on. >> just i think we've received funding in this budget year to develop a brand identity and marketing program we're working on that. >> again. >> additional services next fiscal year we're envisioning we're looking at the possibility of getting sf shine grants for the improvement a program for that the appropriate registers adrc taking into consideration tool in the tool box and at the registering to the renters. >> exceptions for this fiscal year we expect to disperse the 3 grants that we mentioned earlier and implement the business assistance and is promotion in marketing cases of the program and we will be as jeanie was saying requesting the fund for the next fiscal year when the term comes negotiation. >> the fiscal year runs june to. >> july one through june 30th. >> that's correct and annually after that because we don't have to do that every year and we'll request the sf shine grants for next fiscal year in february when we do the budget and report to the board of supervisors is due every year on june 1st. >> for the next fiscal year we continue to express the grant annually and revert to the july 1st to september application for the business assistance grant and continue to implementing the formation services annually and disperse the sf shine grants and get them annually exceptions for that the fiscal year after that we will probably begin exploring the property ownership programs and then fiscal year - for the funding i'll be proposing goes back to how much general fund we are using for the program and really wise i think to think about diversifying. >> fiscal year 2021 this is as far as i go in the presentation hopefully by then implements some of the property owner membership it maybe calculated and some takes a few years and hopefully implement some sort of option to different the funding. >> what's the process nourp to implement the ownership. >> i would see those are ordinances we'll be voting. >> a or programs we create yep that would be 4 i mentioned maybe you encouraging tic ownerships and condo condominiumtion for the storefront and then looking maybe something for the federal 504 loan that is citywide and maybe something similar to the cast program but for the legacy businesses. >> that goes to the process. >> of the legislation. >> absolutely. >> where required. >> we will be required to do. >> i expect those last 2 to be complex i expect weigh take a couple ever years with a lot of input from the folks in the agency. >> pardon me. >> so future reports so i would like to make a reports every month to the installation on the second monday which is the first part of most for example, august 2016 provided at the september 12th and have the full numbers for the month of august if that's okay with you and provide the statistics based on the month and fiscal year dated and the program totals to keep a running tab since the beginning. >> okay. >> and some of the things i want to report on failures the list of numbers by the number of applications and neejs received and the number of keys received the number of plagues reviewed by the historic preservation commission and the small business commission the businesses added to the legacy that is the businesses approved by the hpc and the number and amount of different grants we have and i added an extra slide not in your packet i apologize we made updates to the website and added the legacy business program to the navigation row of the small office of the small business commission website and adam in the legacy program page and the length of city government forwards slash legacy business goes now to about page and the navigation page and the registry is not changed that page is now dropped down and added the forwards slash registry to that package this is something that makes it more visible and allows us to add more pages a we need them more drop down all over the place reserved 4 and that points to the about page and more information about that. >> great. >> and open to any questions if you have any. >> commissioners. >> commissioiner vice president adams. >> just richard you did a job for respond many stepped up to the plate into that and knew you had the background but you put this in two weeks and got it on track and you have a timeline you know everything we need to see to get this program upcoming and this is very good thank you. >> thank you. >> yes. thank you very much commissioner any other comments shall we open up for public comment okay. thank you richard. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. well anyone wish to comment on this item. >> i have a not to say have a lot of history to present to this you commissioners have been commissioners four or five years but got together so therefore your babies compared to what i've been and your director will tell you i've been in my community for 25 or thirty years let's go on to what you have a new situations at city hall trying to bring to the community let me say one thing as the fillmore ambassador those are the 3 principles once i do any stated of the union we've not - we'll talked about the failed efforts they've failed us back ten years to a master lease and talk about the investment of the neighborhood it failed us mysteriously we've not going to go with miss gietsd leadership - we're also not going to do the egregious in underlining our community as long as i've got to hear this we'll not let people undermine the community what i mean combine we got our programs now we want to go forward and here the city and county blaming every time you come up with a new program sir, you did a good presentation in my community no in western edition no until you guys our commission comes to the fillmore and explained what goes on and this gentleman explains to the community that what is going on i believe that i put together we partnership with the word is used you talk about the partnership dog gone it partnership with the fillmore ambassador bringing any programs excuse me for being able to mediational with those new developments and new people getting all the communities and the backs don't get nothing you failed us mysteriously but the traefth if you plan to bring the program to the western edition you better come through me i'll bring it to my community to all the businesses and let them know the new program for us you all and all those grants and everything we want to know here you're the commission putting it together you don't know your skimming them that happens all the time and this is what we got in the community no more. >> thank you. >> thank you all right. >> commissioners any other comments. >> all right. so that- so. >> no action on this item we'll move on to item 6 please. >> so commissioners for items 6, 7 and 8 i think i had you know sent to you in our agenda packet about discussion around nonprofits and my conversation to have a discussion my conversation has requested time to work with our office to further review the considerations around nonprofits so one i just i'm going to request that we still need to read into the record items 7 and 8 that we just continue those because some of the recommendations i would put forward you to today has questions around the discussion of nonprofits so i'd like to continue those but for item number 6 you know again to help with clarity since we have the opportunity to be on sfgovtv and to help explain to the business community to walk through the application process on the registry to be clear and identify some nuances of things we're seeing so if we could - read item number 6 into the record we'll review the applications but my request is that we will not be taking any action just to review the complication. >> are you proposing we have a presentation by richard of the process by which one glosses the application. >> correct uh-huh. >> my reading items 6 through 8. >> we're on the agendas separately and require separate public comments item 6 please. item 6 discussion and possible action to make final recollections to the legacy businesses rules and regulations to administer administrative code section 2a 242 the legacy business registry discussion and possible action the presenter presenters are regeneral executive director of the office of the small business commission and richard program legacy business program manager. >> actually, i will have richard bring up for the public website for the application for the website so that the businesses can see and also for staff of the nominees i will have richard walk you through to reiterate the first process is for the business to be nominated by the mayor's of board of supervisors and for them to nominee a business that meets the criteria that will be that richard will read into the record. >> thank you. >> so i have the website here that can bring up this is the on the bottom of the registry page there are 3 different pdf the instruction from the enormities and the legacy business application - a one-package document all about the registry i'm sorry this is for the nominee oversees for the supervisors or mayor on the letterhead and the contact information and xhaits on the 3 criteria for the businesses operating in san francisco for thirty years and caveat to contribute this the neighborhood history and the community to maintain the features to define the business. >> and then from there go to the process for the nominees the 3 eligible criteria for the nominees. >> i don't mean to trumpet you can you clarify who will be the recipient of that letter noems noemgs we have been dissolution not policy but i came on board i've been proposing that the nominations come in with applications trying to mayor that process and make it closer because we've been getting a lot of nominations and sometimes, the nominees don't knows about the programs and not interested in the program or don't have time to do on application that creates problems i've been given instruction to the mayor and the supervisors that we would like to see those come in more closely and they should reach out to the businesses and make sure they're interested in the process and the program so that's hopefully going to improve some things. >> thank you for that one i am not going to mention the business a business was to be nominated and no idea they are only nominated so you get a crucial point i hope the supervisors and mayor's office are listening they say this is so key. >> it safes time for supervisors and mayor and the legacy business program and safes times for the businesses as far the nomination are coming in with applications so that's been helpful. >> we go over the registration process still when the nomination comes in we're contact the owner and it is not as important to reach out to the businesses quickly when they come in together the business has already filled out an application we work with the business to get an application we'll go over and once the application is complete we republic it to the historic preservation commission for review there are looking at criteria 2 which was how they add to the community and the neighborhood and then from there comes to the small business commission for a final review and what we really want to make it clear also that let them know when they come before you they're presenting themselves you know for the request are to be on the registry with the historic preservation commission they does not need to attend it is advised but they're not requested to present so we want to kind of make sure that process is clear and kind of their commitment in addition to the you know the pretty expensive commitment they need to take to fill out the application. >> finally on the website the application itself we have again go over the criteria for those 3 criteria we want to make sure that everybody is aware we given guidance to the applicants throughout the whole process they need to concentrate on those 3 criterias. >> can i point out something about the brief criteria it is so visually for the criteria each one of the criteria says essentially the small business commission we're the office of the small business commission our purview is business i interpret business to be for profit enterprise and not a nonprofit and so we're going to have discussion on this because let's remember that is the registry the registry is the knothole the gate for the assistance program if you can't be on the revengey you can't get assistance so ratified by the board of supervisors in the language business business business. >> all right. so that's a very important distinction because this preincludes anything happens on the other side mainly the consideration and the granting for the business opportunities >> businesses our purview i personally as a commissioner don't know about nonprofits i do know that they have different tax rules i do know they have different source of funding actually this city government has funding programs nonprofits in fact, capitol hill for nonprofits they don't apply to for profit enterprises i regard this is as a separation of church and states for profit businesses and nonprofits enterprises and charities at the don't intersect in the commission we will have a discussion those two worlds don't intersect in the document the document that splifz the legacy business and my reading of the criteria is specifically business which i terminate for profit business and the others can disagree if they like it will - we've been asked to delay our discussion because this year is interest in adrc nonprofits to this program and if we are to add them to the funding program we must have them added to the registry that will require we change the rules and accommodate in the rules specifically nonprofits and so their presently not included not excluded but i exclude them by virtue of the language so we'll move forward. >> i want to say that nonprofits are 2, 3, 4 pipeline in terms of applications and i understand nonprofits that are in a moment by the supervisors and the mayor's office they've completed and submitted applications for the registry i'll suggest to you that the first call to action by making a nomination to share the entity meets the criteria of the document that's why i make that point and commissioners you know this was agendized we need to provide in the future some sort of - some sort of clear direction to the nominee oversees it's the nominee overse like to hold off on having an extensive we can have a discussion but making any decision as per request from the office of economic workforce development to work with us. >> we've been specifically asked not to make a decision but were i bring this up this is a discussion today and you mentioned the nominators i'm concerned about the nominees it is the nominees who's expectation cause foment among the nominators for the board of supervisors that have been yelling at us at every turn created expectation or we haven't expectations have been kraeltdz criticisms even today, this commission didn't understand the legislation i beg to differ this commission understand the legislation as written and the supervisors and other in the meantime, bodies are in the not read the document maintained so on timeline and on nominees we have a lot of expectations out there which all the criticism falls on this body here okay. so it is not warranted and we have to clarify this. >> my advise to the commissioners not today but contemplate we have to have very definitive and clear to the extent we need widen room we'll fight this battle every single time a nonprofit comes to the table and so there will be some who say well, let's do it on a case by case basis and others say let's make a clear determination and fifth the battle ones in my opinion all not up front we'll create a bunch of rules that challenge the nominees and nonprofits into your in and out that will not work this will happen you clarify this is the bright line this commission makes if it chooses not to make the line it is all in for every nomination so we have to make that clear and if we in any way aren't clear on that we are looking at if every time making that determination again and again and again, we're not going to make that determination today we were requested not to make that determination but in two weeks times of our next meeting my expectation we will make a formal recommendation as to how we'll rule because this gets in the way of us moving forward okay can't you set aside the nominees we're not decided on the nominees we're in the position of doing that prefrnl. >> just for clarification coming back just to be clear it goes through the historic preservation commission they make the recommendations. >> that's correct. >> and criteria 2. >> 0 on criteria 2. >> and would that comes back to us. >> right just to be clear in terms of you know like you this body makes recommendations to the board of supervisors on prevention and they can and cannot do take that into it had time the same for you in terms of the represents with the historic preservation commission provides you, you can and cannot do i mean, you're not required to take the it had time or required to follow the recommendation but provides additional information and but on the positive - i want to focus on the positive the historic preservation commission does have an extensive historical history so there will be businesses that they are able to sort of add to the rich history of the businesses we can then pull upon to help market and promote those businesses through the registry and i think you know, i really want to encourage us to continue to always talk about the registry is the program the preservation funds is a program of the - it is an add on to the legacy business registry program and may not exist you know - no guarantee about the funding we do know how to utilize it you historic preservation commission is a small portion of the other programs we need i want to completely stress it the registry and the registry the core component of the program we we want to market and promote the businesses because ideally the majority of businesses on the registry won't need all of the supportive programs they want us to market and promote them. >> director really quick i agree with commissioner president dwight so much and i'll say mix up the registry if the legislative state is the spirit that's an awesome program we're not politician we're small business owners and people manipulated this and put it on the battle so horde hard work to modify and the registry unfortunately, the miscommunication is like we're giving away millions and millions of dollars and us on the body are withholding that from the small business community i think that i actually like commissioner president dwight their emphasizing i want everybody to be clear that what exactly that we're - >> you can check the record i and all of us have unanimously sports the revengey the registry is the cherry on top of the program the thing we support to be focus on and in fact, we're not focusing in the public arena on the money it is not about money but a registry of businesses to celebrate of businesses that have been in business for as long as we have thirty or 25 years i've advocated actually go having peers on the registry 15 or 10 years let's celebrate the longevity and bar to get on the registry is very although it is mark farrell inxument on the nominees to provide the supporting dialogue that they contribute in the community and you know frankly i'm not no interests whatsoever of denying any business they're feeling they have contributed if they've been in business x number of years and paid their taxes they have a high proeblthd of making an application end of story the registry is not a controversial issue at this commission the controversy and the criticism has come from the financial side of this evaluation but this is the gateway of the bit we're most criticized on we won't be getting crippling if not on the website people want to get on the registry to visitor and residents awesome a celebration a party every year and small business week for those on the registry in fact, i have said here that hopefully, we won't be need to restrict it to three hundred nominees and get through the registry process quick and happy to have a set of nominees vetted at every one of the meeting frankly to do so in the application is filled anti properly and historical since the commission has vetted it i mean as far as i'm concerned, a recommendation from the historic preservation commission is a stamp of approval for us basically says they believe this business has a historic position in the communities i'd be most interested in one they said didn't how will they not qualify and interested in the exemption i see very slim chance that a business recommended by the historic preservation commission will not get approved by this commission that's why i think that will happen quickly this part so this part didn't bother me at all what bothers me we've set this specifically around business and taking in nominees look the nonprofits are not applying to the registry let's be clear to be on the registry their politically to the registry to be inevitable for a grant - before the rules other than the first piece of legislation not the proposition to the voters this is the first law on the books and this law takes - is the gating law to the subsequent law we've never had an issue frankly as a matter of fact we've been supportive so. >> i apologize. i didn't mean to say the commission was not supportive i was talking to the viewing public and those listening when we can have the discussion around the nonprofits i think because of i do think that is important we get some definitive positions so we can help the supervisors so if there's pressure that definitive those guidelines whatever direction it takes will for us to be able to say to the nominator yes or no because i think from the experience and rick in terms of doing looter grant administration and ushering with the offices when it is clear then communicating that to those who are out in their neighborhoods and residences and community they're able to articulate and less likely to be fluntdz by the pressure. >> i'll support a registry for a nonprofit in the city a legacy nonprofit and welcome the co-happytion of that on a website we've spent taxpayer money and piggyback on this that will be fantastic and if we would like to get a supervisor to sponsor land use committee for a nonprofit legacy registry wonderful this is the business registry this is the constituency for which we are advocates and so 0 i don't know about nonprofit and a registry of nonprofits but registry of businesses i'll welcome legislation that establishes a second registry now i'll tell you not welcome the adjudication of that ♪ commission i'll welcome it done in the historic preservation and their work is final totally fine not our constituents and don't it is cool fine registration anything they want and put it on the website this commission spent its precious volunteer time on our constituency this is businesses and specifically small businesses and so i would prefer to restrict our staff time which is our staff budget by the way, that comes out of this funds to things that really relate to business and hopefully, the people that watch this or later on our constituents whom we advocate small businesses and hope great i like the fact that the commission is advocating for business on this registry because we don't want to mix things up in the registry this is a business registry celebrating businesses people will go and buy from those businesses because they think their valuable assets to the communities whether you want to donate to a nonprofit i don't care where you do not but buy our stiff from an and our goods and services from san francisco all businesses preferably have not businesses and they're on the registry great all the more advertising and promotion to them that's where we are why we're here that's why we're appointed to be here that's why we volunteer time to be here we're them and they're our constituents so i'm sorry because i don't president in any way for people to say 24 commission didn't support the remedyingy we are going to have some controversy over the nonprofit put both this - we are asked to support nonprofits it is about money and politics >> i have a question about the question is asked i want to kind of - getting on the registry is a yearly exercise or. >> one time exercise. >> one time exercise. >> one time exercise we didn't get a chance to glow the applications but in section 3 under the business statement we asked the business to say their current on the finalized obligations with the city and no lsd violation their application is available to the public and so we have one other statement the small business commission revoke the placement of a business on the registry in the business no longer qualities and not entitles the business in that you know - the placement on the registry didn't entitle them to a grant on the - in the city funds so the reason why we have that there a business could be on the registry for 10 or 15 years and sell the business so let's sort of use a recent example in the media was i think was originally joe's that was sold or was it tommy's joint that was originally sold and so there was a lot of question around retaining the original memo and that is a core component in you know one of the core components of what is the legacy of that business so somebody may take the name but change the core component because they retain the name not the legacy of that business that could be something we'll bring forward to the commission this business no longer meets the legacy requirements they applied for . >> just to clarify just because they change the memo and don't offer pasta they're a grateful subjectivity to this i think that businesses become legacy businesses because not because they stay in the past but they can move into the - >> a question. >> a question i'm asking we're on the legacy businesses and a paragraph and referring the right to revoke. >> going to have to have standards to revoke the business so the question is not i'm not asking for the sake of asking to make sure we admit somebody so a one time deal we reserve the right to hold that business on the registry or out of registry ought to have standards not selectively enforce so for the purpose and hidden that commissioners come in that the entry what are those to get out pulled out. >> right as okay. >> right and i think you know in business we all understand that businesses have to evolve to stay current and meet the customer demands and side that in our traditional business model so we will be - that's an additional thing we're working on and again, a business can move out of the city that removes them from the registry just because our on the registry didn't mean you'll be on the registry for forever. >> not an entitlement. >> not an entitlement situations the commission makes a determination not something that the commission will have to do and we see with zoning thing to be able to take some action if needed. >> i think i agree totally and you mentioned the black and white so it is substantive to a degree but, yes. >> i mean let's pick out the obvious ones i think that i mean, i actually think that is more about probably more about do you pay your taxed and a san francisco business i have great reservations about characterizing someone's memo or their overflow room as to whether they continue to be a legacy business and they change hands all the time and the fact they're in san francisco well someone took up the business to keep it in business we should

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