804 and military bases more than all of the other countries for military bases in the world combined. And in terms of this territory between diana and venezuela, as a gable, this dispute in territory. And the fact that the us is purportedly planning on building a base there in, in violation of the clear this through, in, in clear disrespect to the fact that this is disputed territory shows in the United States is not actually interested in trying to resolve this territorial dispute, but its actually trying to make it even worse. And then the process is militarily threatening venezuela. Then norton was time for another visit to the modus operandi studios in moments. Catch manila chung, im guess, right ahead discussing today whether they exporting of hate has not become an international industry. This is our to introduction, the hello. Im manila chan you are tuned into modus operandi. Whether were looking at the current conflict in ukraine or civil unrest and virtually any part of the world, dig a little deeper and you will find hate at the root of it. Today will explore the exportation of hates from country to country. Cross borders from the us to anywhere and vice versa. How hate is in big demand around the world. All right, lets get into the m o the, the White Supremacy is a major talking point in the us right now. The f. B, i has gone before congress on record to say that this is their number one priority. The bureau, of course, the nations top domestic Law Enforcement group. But what if that top priority is much less a domestic issue and more so an International One from american neo nazis, to as long as tara groups, or conversely, as lama phobia. The demand for these ugly id ologies seems to be growing. Here to tackle this topic is marks la boda. Mark is an International Relations and security analysts. He host a show called the real politic with marks for boat on youtube. You can follow mark on twitter or x. Were going to the name the social media site here at mark slow boat up one. So mark, talk to us about the case of craig lang, the Us Army Veteran who is probably the most high profile american neo nazi right now. Hes wanted for a double murder in florida. Hes now in ukraine. Hes in and out, but hes there are fighting alongside the likes of a is off. Hes been interviewed by major main stream media through the last decade. Hes open, we espoused his nazi views. How do we explain why the beacon of democracy that is ukraine hasnt yet expedited this man wanted for murder back to the United States. Uh, yeah, uh craig line is only one of many, and it has to, uh, you know, be mentioned that, you know, even the uh, current extradition request for him involving a f b. I investigation into craig lang but also 6 others. 77. 00 us, uh, fighters mercenaries, uh you, in ukraine, in total. Uh for war crimes. Um, as to the question of, uh why he hasnt been extra dated to the us by the beacon of democracy. That is you grand. First, ukraine and the United States dont actually have an extradition treaty. Not that that is a, a complete, a stoppage to such phenomena with the amount of arms and equipment that is headed ukraines way to the queue of regime i, im quite sure that in a extradition request on an individual basis could be worked out. But simply, the care for jamie, ukraine is not a greek and of democracy. Freedom in human rights, but then again, neither is United States. Uh so um geo political conveniences um and avoiding an embarrassing situation is probably at the rid of this. A craig lang is, shall we say a troubled us individual and a real peach. He is a us mil. Busy terry veteran u. S. Army he served in iraq and afghanistan and he received a other than honorable discharge. According to him involving an incident with his wife who was also a middle terry. He had a threatened and evidently tried multiple times to kill her, including suffocating her with the pillow. And evidently trying to blow her. Then pregnant at the time up with a land mine. Somehow had a hold of um in, in for an interview that he gave to vice. Talking about being kicked out when, when he was talking with his military commanders and they had asked him about it and he told vice that he had said yeah about killing her. He said yes, i was going to murder her. And then he added and the mother s thought i was bluffing, speaking about his military commanders. Uh so the guys, uh, a real, real sweet gigs um after being discharged from the u. S. Military and failing to kill his wife, evidently presumably now ex wife. He wandered about as a bit of a human rec for a while until he started reading about the then beginning of the civil conflict in ukraine after the overthrow of the government there. And ultimately us backed porch in 2014, 2015, saw him arrive in ukraine where he promptly joined the right sector. The right sector is one of the countrys most notorious um uh, of many so far, right . Openly band, right, fascist battalions. And he, you know, hes, i guess he was kind of an early trend setter. He has been fighting in ukraine against ukrainians. Uh for uh, you know, a considerable length of time. Uh, you know, since 2015. Um and uh he only hes been in and out of the country trying to get themselves involved in other conflicts in su, dawn in venezuela. Um and then now he finds himself back in new grade. And once again uh, sliding uh in, in the conflict there. Now, after the rushing intervention, the right sector has been accused of human rights abuses, war crimes by human rights watch. Uh and, and others. They are, you know, under investigation for war crimes and daring involved in the indifference against him for war crimes in the us. Um, our testimonies from numerous of other americans that he served with their and he was regularly involved in the torture and execution of both prisoners of war and non combatants, these ukrainian civilians. There evidently is Video Evidence of a lot of this because like many of the far right fighters, they seem to like filming themselves, torturing and killing people. One incident, evidently, of which there is Video Evidence to him. And another american who is also involved in the dick indic mintz were drowning a woman, a non combatant. And they also, while they were involved in doing it, they injected her with drugs to make sure that she didnt fall unconscious while they were drowning her. I presumably to make sure that she suffered more through the process. So like i said, a real real 3 gigs so there theres video. Busy evidence and testimony from other americans about other torture and the execution of non combatants and p o w. Use that he was involved in. But that is really not enough to, to draw the attention of the Us Government because this was a, you know, kind of the fact of the situation for many of the far right fighters from the us and, and from across the world thats locked to key of to fight for the regime there. Lay is just one example. As you said, of an american neo nazi going that way on this peak field mission. But it would appear the relationship of hate is reciprocal. On a 2018 article from ment. Press news, details and indictment against members of the american Neo Nazi Group ram and says that the as off is quote, believed to have participated in training and radicalize, a United States based White Supremacy organizations, such as ram. So in effect, the f b i agent investigating the case who obviously represents the u. S. Government acknowledges that is off is a White Supremacy in groups that radicalize as people and promotes violence. So this toxic ideology really goes both ways across the Atlantic Ocean mark. Yeah, i mean there it is not just us. And you great either. Theres a similar cases involved with a is off and other coverage him for right groups with white supremacist groups in italy costs a pound um in germany and elsewhere. Right. There is a real fast Just International which is being coordinated through the care of routine, the new great. And i would say that the real issue is not so much radicalization and thats kind of a tricky. And a wizard. Was it us white supremacist that, that made is off into, you know, far right, neo fascist or the other. Busy way around i, i think there is a Mutual Support Society when it comes to that are far more important and, and what the, uh, the department of justice uh, indictments are really about, of course is the training, the military experience, the increased capacity for violence is what they worried not so much about its being done there, but when they come, when, if they come home, that is the real issue. They have a problem with the. The irony, of course, is that is off itself as a is being long since being incorporated 1st into the National Guard and right sector as well. And, and then into the, everythings military which says far more about what he kept regimes military is in any dilute meant of its its id allergy or practices and boards. They and theyre worried about it. Its receiving, you know, training and experience. But at the same times, the u. S. Military is training that. Right . So the u. S. Military is training people that the f b i is worried about then bringing that training home and doing things like killing couples in florida. Yes. As you point out, when the chickens come home to roost, it does then pose a National Security risk. All right, coming up next White Supremacy unfortunately, is it the only game on the block when were talking about the trade of hate as lumnick extremism. Also with immense reach, well discuss it when we return with marks. Promote us to type the m. O will be right down the soon as 2016. Numerous monuments to serve you as soldiers in poland, ukraine and the Baltic States have been destroyed, all vandalized fish their stuff, but it must be the most or even some others could i ask if i really think so thats the most on whether its its especially almost between the Police Government denies the rules, so itd be its own just in the victory of a naziism. And is it raising historical memories of world war 2 . It is the 40 piece from your store. Although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in peoples consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. Yes. Yes, dont think ill total. Yeah, ill provide, leave them up so i need to see thing because to talk so i need to be the welcome back to the m o m l a chance the hate market isnt cornered by western neo nazis. Not that this next group is an answer to counter White Supremacy, but the group played the latter part of the obama years and swept across headlines internationally. Im talking about isis or i, solar dash, whatever you choose to call them. This per version of islam went viral for us did the International Relations and security analysts marks will boda is back with us to discuss. So mark, unfortunately, exporting hate isnt purely a White Supremacists trade other pape groups go international as well. Take ices. For example. The us calls them a terror organization, but at the root, isis and theyre off shoots like isis k. Really, theyre a hate group that builds their ideology around islam and makes it this ugly saying a bastardization of the religion if you will. How do you suppose groups like isis or a kite, a managed to recruit members from all over the world . I mean, for example, there were those isis brides from the u. K and so forth as well, while us declares isis or i so, you know, to be an enemy that it uses to justify. For instance, its continuing evasion and military occupation of the syria. Amazingly enough, the only part of the country that isis is still active is the one of the area of us occupation. It is syria. Isis was allied to us funded as well. Im as the g hottest in syria quite ultimately and involve youre going up to the events of the attacks on a level right . Rather late in the conflict theyre up until they werent. Right. So, you know, how do these, you know, these hate groups come about . Well, they often come about because of the u. S. A flow of arms and training and utilizing these people as weapons of convenience to meet their geo political ends. Whether its right wing death squads being trained by the organization, the o. S. Schools and in south and latin america, or g hottest, as long as its in syria and libya or, you know, neo nazis in, in, in ukraine. You know, the us of fines, you know, these shall we say already hate filled violent groups. And then, you know, proceeds to fund an arm them and use them for its own geo political weapons of convenience. Of course, thats the same way they look at the United States or they talk about it quite openly. They, they also view this type of, uh, doubles agreement as, as part of it. But of course, you know, the way they are so successful in organizing today is, has a lot, its not into early, restricted to, but it has a lot to do with the internet. It simply makes it much easier to communicate, you know, modeling for them, for everyone else as well, but you know, but to organize and to form a little communities. Craig lang, for instance, has been very active in recruiting other american mercenaries to come for right sector, and that this is in the indictments against him, of a testimony from numerous people. Um and uh, you know, this is the way ices also recruited muslim radicals to their particular distorted view. A what harvest view of islam from around the world. But it has to be said that of this, this did occur before the internet, for instance, the us was helping a Jihad International form in afghanistan and, and bringing a g hottest to august from around the world to fight against the soviet fact ask in government there are 4 years before you know, this type of internet um, you know, communities and, and the ability to communicate, you know, helped accelerate it. But it does make it easier and more in and perhaps give them greater reach. Hope on an industrial scale has been americas main export for easily the last 2 decades, not by individuals rather by algorithm. As you suggested earlier, theres you to google, facebook and all of all the social media companies, they all play this outsized role in the the import export of hate to take the buffalo, new york shooter. He had races, screens posted all over his social media or the christ church, new zealand shooter who openly expressed as lama phobia. And then live stream his rampage on facebook. So, well, im not suggesting these tech companies, you know, are the source of the hate. Theyre not responsible in that sense, but they are responsible for the proliferation of that material. And, and by this im referring to the awful videos of like the headings or mass shootings, things of that nature. And all those companies happen to be american. What do you make of the role of american big tech and the export of hate . Yeah, um, i think, you know, the big tech role and this is, is a medium. Okay. Um, i dont necessarily fall big tech for this. This is humans who do to this, and theyre, theyre simply using the big take as a big tech, the social media, and other online tools as, as something that certainly facilitates them, their, their outreach, their uh, you know, ability to a glomerular rate in, in communities and self reinforcing communities online. And then theres been a lot of, uh, you know, questions in the us about holding, you know, the Big Tech Companies responsible for because actively, i think blocking such material and, and removing them from social media. And that actually, you know, sounds really good even to me to begin with. But unfortunately, what weve seen in the us is Us Government proceeds right from there to further portion big tact to then use it as a tool of broader political censorship. Including, for instance, any criticism of u. S. Foreign policy. Whereas, you know, any criticism is, is then depicted as pro russian or pro chinese tr. Busy roles or, or networks, and then they have that excuse and big tac already cooperating with them. Uh, 22 sensor further. And then uh, with the trunk campaign we see how quickly that then goes into domestic political descent. Uh and uh, the use of big tech and the media to sensor information. First thing such as Hunter Bidens laptop. Uh, which uh, you know, the revelation of which and what it contains would have hurt a bidens campaign. So you see how quickly that unfortunately becomes a slippery slope. I dont think there are any easy answers about finding a balance between uh, you know, uh, policing so far, right . Um, you know, open open plans for violence and, and um, you know, active actions of, of hate and spreading the ideologies and, and how to prevent that from more thing into broader political censorship. Its, its a double edged sword. Now in many instances, especially in the case of White Supremacists, a lot of these guys have a military background. So this is probably a chicken or a question of, i know a lot of chicken analogies in this episode, but does the us military breed these white supremacist or do they enlist in the military because they have these id allergies to begin with and does thing u s military actually have a White Supremacy problem, and just so were clear, im not insinuating that all members of the us military or races or white supremacist, that would be absurd. But numerous reports and studies have shown. Theres a disproportionate percentage of white supremacist within the military ranks as opposed to the civilian population. Yeah. Okay. First of all, full disclosure, i am a u. S. Military veteran i, i served in the us navy and the Nuclear Engineering field for 6 years. And so 1st of all, i would say that the prevalence of, of white supremacist. Yeah, in the military that you know, the proportions o