Soldiers after earlier saying there is no evidence to support such a theory. And china is outraged after president bidens as washington will defend taiwan if beijing attack this going directly against the long standing one china policy with, from lost out of the world. This is our t international. Im rachel blevins. And here are the top stories this hour. We begin with the latest from the don bass were 13 people have been killed and at least 8 others wounded in a ukrainian artillery attack on the city of don. Net. Thats according to a statement by the mayor. Now a warning you may find some of these images disturbing. The shelling, targeted crowded areas in this city center. This footage shows the aftermath of the hit on a busy Central Square where civilians including 2 children were killed while they were stepping out of shops and waiting for a bus. Now we blurred out these images of the human cost of this latest attack by cubes. Forces. The attack came in 3 waves. You fast shall landed behind that building of a where the bank is. We do not know where the 2nd one ended. You said one fell right here. Theres a bus stop here, a cafe, a market. This is the center of our neighborhood. No one uses cars here. Its a pedestrian area from if im looking in the go away. But only the shell flew right over my head. Right here, so the only thing that saved me was that i stepped out to go to people. What theyre doing is horrible. You try to survive people, its just impossible. I left for russia, but now look, ive come back would result. What i see with you to louis archie correspondent maxine altura was in the area covering the aftermath of a previous attack. When he heard about the incoming. 1 showing and rush to the scene, he brought us this report to the group. So that is jeanettes has once again been sheltered. The central bach who commissar street has been hit, leaving at least 13 people dead. Its a horrifying and disturbing scene. Many people were killed near store, they were just customers were passers by before you while we were documenting ukrainian shelling of another part of the city. This latest attack occurred with only one narrative that moscow calling out western sanctions, which says russia is responsible for mass killings in the city of india. As the establishment media uses the same tactics it did in the controversy at boca to, to just tonight is still the same scenario is butram. Everything is unfold and according to one scenario, its all a lie. Were will of course be defending the truth in the story. Earlier r t correspond maria, the notion us spoke with my colleague nikki aaron, about the details of the events is this story is developing very fast and leaps and bounds with accusations actually come in before evidence on sunday, before a minister of the czech republic, the currently holds the president of the Council Called for a specialist to national tribunal, to investigate what had happened in his room. But actually before even the pro p actually cold force started, the minister claims that the russians left behind mass graves off, hundreds of short and porch of people. So you can see claims without any of the evidence with no grounds and before any official investigation. Western Media Coverage is also remarkable. As soon as the christians took the c t back had, as you remember, human hike of region had been on the russian control since praying. Western journalists of course started slotting a to see with their own eyes. Whats going on on the ground and on thursday, an advisor to the quint interior ministry told b. B. C, that around 1000. 00 dead buddies happened, discovered in his room. Interesting though, is that the telegraph journalists were there at the same time on thursday, and they later published article, saying that they didnt see any evidence to that. The telegraph did not see any evidence of that scale of death during a visit on thursday priori denied knowledge of any war crimes. We didnt to interact with them and they didnt interact with us. He said of the russians from what i know there wasnt detentions, executions, torture. So you just heard not only the didnt see where their own eyes, but they talk to local residents who actually were leaving there on the russians. And they said, but nothing that had happened, but still we hear about accusations and mass brazen war crimes. What is strange and actually said that in less than a day after that the tag are suddenly changed to now a t thats after the authorities in key. And started talking about 2nd boot to happened in his room. And ever since they started using the word torture while covering the events in him, and that sudden change is a police suspicious, you will agree. Well, i understand that k of says they have evidence of a mass graveyard. Is that not correct . Well, 1st of all, the use of the term mass graves is completely wrong. The pictures that so far have been published by you creating the western media show actually, and made sheaf cemetery in a forest, not a pile of dad, but isnt a beach. This is the picture that comes to mind when we hear about mass grave. There are crosses there and names on it and days of peoples death. There. The question is, who is buried there . Russians to the c t end of march, beginning of april and for the next 5 months. Key of, of course, has been trying to take it back militarily, and here is a local resident asking the same question who is buried there . And i have to tell you that of course, all videos coming from the ground from a zoom, particularly very hard to be verified who has been shelling my home for the past 5 months. I couldnt even go out into my yard who has been doing this. Thats the question, and who shall the market . I want to know whos been shutting my home. We should have looked to the sky to see who it was. We did not know exactly when these grays appeared, but if key is talking about fresh graves and we know that russians have been there in a zoom in the last 5 months, that could be the russians had been burying ukrainian soldiers. And this could be true, that sounds like g because we know that there is they said part and that t of did not take actually care of you credit soldiers killed in action. But anyway, it is nothing to do with mask raise that we hear about in the mainstream, and also the rival greys with the date of death before russians took control of the town. And you cannot use it to a fuse russians actually, thats absurd. But its not the 1st time that moscow Russian Forces have been accused of such atrocity that of this nature. Beaches springs to mind. Yes. That to say that to quintinella ations of russian crime tap into proven in the past. Maybe you remember there was a huge candle when the cran in human rights ombudsman was actually fired. Denise of a, her name was off to, had been revealed that her claims of mess, sexual violence, legibly at the hands of Russian Military were fake. And this is not my words. This is in the words of the ministers in kiev, the income prehensile concentration of the mass, media of work, and numerous details of sexual crimes, committed in the unnatural way, which he could not confirm with evidence only hom, ukraine. And later, you know, the nice of even can fast that she did that to boost weapon supplies to key if so, maybe now when you crane one small weapons, they are trying to use the same tact if they use before the full us Senate Report outlining the cia torture program will not be published. This after district of Columbia Court ruled that the report would compromise what it called National Security. The report contains highly classified information about the c. I used attention and interrogation policies and procedures that would Compromise National Security for least far outweighing the publics interest. In disclosure, there were poor details, the c, i as detention and torture programs which were launched after the 911. 00 terrorist attacks. And 2001 foreign suspects were swept up into black site prisons and tortured some cases resulted in formal charges. Parts of the report were leased by a democratic senator back in 2014 and presented as proof of the detainees torture in afghanistan. It included findings that the cia interrogations were more violent than intel officials had ever admitted to lawmakers. So joining us now live to discuss this is former c i officer ray mcgovern re, its great to have you on the program today. Now this light on it, after all, it looks like they wont have to release this full torture report, which caused quite a bit of backlash regarding the secret operations. So what is this, the National Security angle that theyre trying to use to defend it . And most importantly, what do we know about what is actually in that report who we have a 525 page summary of that report. The report itself is 6700. 00 pages. Are that summary, even though its redacted to remove prejudicial information, tells volumes about the abuses that went on the up horned use of torture. Without an immoral moral compass. The report that concluded number one, that these, these techniques, which were not cool, tortured techniques, these techniques were not working. They were in effect, this number to that the, she a lied about, their effectiveness in presenting them to the president and to everybody else. And number 3 and which you, im getting a lot of static you are, you are hearing me. Ok. I can hear you loud and clear. Sorry about it. Its like youre coming over 3. Number 3 was simply that the techniques use themselves were far more brutal than anyone admitted before these reports, which were based on original she documents were revealed. Now i have to tell you, i served as an Army Infantry intelligence officer. I learned 60 years ago that the tortured not only didnt work, was against the last. Id like to make the point now that at torture is not against the law because it doesnt work or, or some other reason. I tortures against the law because its wrong. Laws against it because is wrong that its not wrong because there are laws against that. Thats a major distinction here. The other thing ill say is this, that when it became known that the enhanced techniques were being used on prisoners at george h. Com, sorry, George W Bush got up and a formal press conference on september 6, a 2006, advertised the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques. What i want to point out is that same day, the head of Army Intelligence, u. S. Army intelligence got up at the pentagon, said the following, and i quote, no good intelligence is ever going to come from harsh interrogation techniques. History shows that and the empirical evidence of the last 5 years, hard years, also shows that 20065 years before 2001 when the tortured techniques started. So it was no surprise to an army officer who learned as 60 years ago. Ah, that sin cummins, that had of Army Intelligence, would say this when george bush with advertising that they were effective. Ah, but there, but to other people, they needed to see the goods and the goods came out. Theres enough in that 525 page document to show, even though its redacted that the see a light about it and, and that, that the abuses were far more cruel than they ever let on to anybody else. Not to mention the fact that they were in effect, if no good evidence ever came from it, as john camerons head of Army Intelligence warmed back in 2006. Well, now you mentioned the fact that even just that document that they released. I mean, i remember when it came out, it was incredibly horrific. Some of what was described in there now that was several years ago. So why dont you think there has been more backlash over those and really more frustration from the american public, especially now that theyre just kind of quietly admitting, okay, well, the full report wont be released. I mean, where is that frustration where has gone well, its a sad reality that the, the media in our country will not play up the story for the value that it really gives the original report, the 525 page reports that i mention, that was not given much publicity at all. So what we have here really is a media complicit, complicit with what we call the deep state. And theyre not going to do anything that the government doesnt want them to do. And i have to say that sometimes the judiciary is also involved. Witness the case of this judge, which many years later says, oh no, no, it would still endanger National Security. Now, it may vary, but National Security would be damaged or further embarrassing the ca for this apparent up or up or it. But frank butcher, i would say just one more time. You know, when people say well was over when you get a little upset about this, well, i get a because the legal because because its wrong, people dont do that. The other people and people. I think that thats why they made it illegal. Besides that, from a practical point of view, as general commands pointed out, it doesnt work, it doesnt give good solid information. So why did they do it . That would come out in the complete report, but its very clear that they had orders to try to squeeze these, these people, and get them to tell more about weapons of mass destruction in iraq. There were any or other things about ties between our kinder and iraq. Again, there werent any so people were tortured. Some of them confessed to these things, just the stuff, the torture, but there was never good information coming from. And as an army officer and of course, as a ca employee, i was just trying to find out this was going on a matter of fact, i gave back my intelligence commendation medallion, which i was given at retirement for especially commendable servers. I gave that back to the head of the house intelligence committee, saying, i dont want to be associated with this agency, however remotely, when it brags about being involved, and what has to be known as truly yet another claim that was made by bush that turned out not to be what he said, that it was now have another question for you, which is do you think that torture or is they referred to it as enhanced interrogation is still being used by the ca to this day . And is that at all the reason why the u. S. And it does not want to disclose the document is, is not something they want to talk about in the future. To be quite frank about it, the Senate Intelligence compete. People are, are equally afraid of what will happen to them if they release the report, whether torture is going on now. Who knows . All i can say is that no 10. No one was held accountable for this. Vice president cheney still lives in royal splendor. Ah, george bush still goes stock still our boy scouts and tries to inspire them with ethics. These people should be in jail under any reasonable circumstances. Theyre not. So does it still happen . Well, if i was an operator in the field and i wanted to get a promotion and i didnt have any moral sense and they told me, youll never be held accountable for this. Well, i guess i would be good to go ahead and do it. Even though it doesnt work. Yeah. And you know, you mentioned the media and the role that they play earlier that they played earlier. And it also goes to show that theyve also played a role in rehabilitating on these members of the bush administration. That took part in this and allow that to happen. Now when it comes to really the long term impact of all of this, how do you see that playing out . And what is the message right now that the u. S. Government as a whole is sending by not only covering up these horrific acts that were committed, not only not going after any one and not sending or any one to jail. But now saying the American People dont have the right to actually know what fully happened. And what their tax dollars funded will come as no surprise to most americans. This is a cover up. This is the way we do business when crimes are committed, people cover up one for the other. Oh, about the future . Well, as i said before, its axiomatic. If you dont hold people accountable for placement crimes and you know, torture falls in the same moral category as rape or slavery. Intrinsic evil always wrong. People. Philosophers have said that since is aristotle and plato. So if people are not held accountable for this temptation exists, and whether joe biden could change that if they want to do is really an open question. I think we know the answer to it. That is now you mentioned your vide in another person who he was involved with was of course, former president brock obama. Now he actually placed this document into his prisoners or records, and theres talk of whether it could be classified, meaning that a copy is now preserved, right . Theres talk of whether it could be classified in the future. Maybe within the decade, do you think that thats possible, or do you think its more likely that the us establishment as a whole is just trying to kind of sweep this one under the rug and hope that we all just move on . Well, i hate to bring up more dirty linen, but there is copious classified intelligence on the murder of john f. Kennedy. That hasnt been released and is in the vol. So c, a, b, i, secret service and so forth. So if you take that as precedent and thats been on very long time has in it, then i would not hold my breath to see any fully even redacted summary, or even text of the 600 or the 70 page 6700 page document. I wouldnt hold my breath to see that release during my life. That is occurring inside of though is former ca, officer, ray mcgovern. We really appreciate your time in analysis today. Youre most welcome. China has lashed out at jo bidens recent statement in which he says the us would send troops to defend taiwan if it was attacked. But would us forces to send the island . Yes, if in fact there was an impression on an attack. Us forces us men and women would defend taiwan in the event of a chinese invasion. Yes, me fell yellow, yet jolly us remarks seriously violate the one china principal and the provisions of the 3 us china joint communiques breached the u. S. Commitment some to not support Taiwan Independence and san to severely wrong signal to the separatist forces of taiwan independently. See that china strongly deplores and rejects it and is made solemn complaints with the u. S. Side one material room. The white house later walked back bidens statement, saying washingtons policy has not changed this as the official u. S. Policy doesnt commit to military action to defend taiwan. But instead send military aid to the island. The latest batch of funding for the island announced an Early September included over a 1000000000. 00 worth of arms and includes an array of anti ship and anti aircraft missiles. The package comes a month after you as how Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited tie pay which prompted Major Chinese military drills surrounding the island. A number of us lawmakers have followed policies trip, and reiterated washington support for taiwan. Earlier we spoke with professor benjamin chow, who questions if the u. S. Is even capable of getting involved in a taiwan issue. One is korea and said to us is moving away from strategic ambiguity when it comes to to high one question, but we must 1st asked eve the u. S. Is able to to defend taiwan effectively, even if it wanted to. If the u. S. And co, we just tie one to send missiles to mean i try to us, we risk b. C thing to charge missiles 2nd. Recently clear that in big 3 person of china has passed the us presence in the region. Increasingly more and more scholars argue that the largest threat to the. Busy security is the u. S. The year start to the other 2 to 3 years in the last 100 years, but not for china. China. So dont really fight a war, seems to open up the economy, the follow up cost, whether it is credible or on this kind of france. What we see otherwise is that there are numerous cases of lewis, things to digit credibility in the American Foreign policies. The u. S and a huge majority of the world and also one china principal. So the majority of the will will not be on the us side. Finance, controversial remarks over taiwan is not the only thing that is raised. Eyebrows around the world, with more on why the present in recent interviews spark widespread backlash. Heres the rtp, caleb mob been for the 1st time and 200 days, joe biden decided to do a one on one interview with american media. It was a great opportunity for the president to make his case amid emerging economic woes and dropping approval ratings. Biden, however, turned it into a total train wreck. After watching the president stroll around for 25 minutes with a pretty sympathetic sounding reporter, it seems like more americans are now questioning his competency. Lets take a few highlights right now. Inflation is at 8. 3 percent. Thats pretty high, but not according to the u. S president , so youre like me. I can make it sound like. Busy of a sudden my god, it went to 8. 2 percent of the highest inflation rate. Mr. President and 40 year i got that. But guess what . We are. Were in a position where for the last several months it has in spite now for someone whos been a top officials since 1972 and always lived in mansions, maybe it isnt so bad. But for average american statistics show they are being squeezed. At this point, weve got the u. S. Army urging soldiers to apply for food stamps in order to make their pay go further. When it comes to the pan damica, joe biden said, colvin 19 is over, but all you have to do is look at the number of cases thats been rapidly rising. Furthermore, biden did not give much credit to americans who may think hes not at the top of his game. When asked about his lo approval ratings, he shifted the conversation. The impact on the psyche of the American People. As a consequence of the pandemic, is perform. Think of how that is changed to every sac and peoples attitudes about themselves, their families, about the state of the nation, about the state of their communities. Cove, it did it, not him classic dodge. And what about americans who are worried about him being the oldest president in u. S. History and constantly tripping over his words . Well, not just his words. Some people ask whether you are fit for the job, watch me. Proof of the put his in the not exactly reassuring if you watch him ah, putting a circle key with tanks but will never gain the hearts and souls of the right people. 2 with solution super awesome. We have a huge democracies in the world today that you did 15 years ago. Fewer not no fewer than the son of course. President harris last week. President harris and i because how could i mean with thank you very much for trisha and farmers mr. Wise guy over here . Well, thats the president of the united states. I think all recognition is due to his staff for the very good decision they made. Everyone can see why they kept him away from tv cameras for 200 days, straight ala bobbin arts, a new york. Thats all for now. Be sure to check out our t. V dot com for all the latest breaking news and updates. Well see you right back here at the top of the hour. Ah, ah, ah, ah. Mm. Mm mm hm. Welcome to was a part of the heroes journey. One of the most recurrent mythological themes in Human History invariably brings the protagonist back to where the old began cooling time and time. Again, thats what had been searched for, was already inside. This archetype and pattern now manifests itself in this deep rise in russias Domestic Travel. As russians faced with visit restrictions in the west let to explore the reaches of their own country. Does every journey indeed leave home . Well, to discuss that, i am now joined by bugs on bullets, a popular travel blogger and russia, self appointed ambassador for the arctic and the forest. By the study done, its great to have you with us today. Yeah, im glad that i was pauls cross. The Eastern Economic forum appears in previous years. All green before was attended, been man international. Guess it is up a mix, francine, subordination, not so many rules can. The number of russians in law traveling abroad is also dwindling. The other hand, Domestic Travel seems to be in the rise. 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