ah, a more of the building. mm hm. want turn begins with alca, but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group, a global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah . i think the last one, the warranty. so you know, a comparison decline, resort to torture, and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called test interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave no physical traces, it's an extremely destructive practice. torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering, but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booking man, some danger 1st, it was communism. then it was terrorist for obviously engage in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich, a communist policy is for no don, i engage in any political activity or any intelligence it was not approved at the higher level. mm. there was a concern that emerged in the 1st started coal in the late notice that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break in my mind. and it was that sir of this whole pursuit that lead ultimately to the creation of the sea ice doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe, in hungary and poland, which aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm hm. most importantly, it was a trial of cardinal mines and ski and hungry. and jessica was already in an actual war to quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal in the primary church. they arrested him, they can find him, was choose of being nervous to price. it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church, a man known for his courage, under nazi pressure. that if he could be broken, clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the c i s reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques in the 1920s, in 1000 ten's, using sleep deprivation, exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confessed to things that were completely untrue and it didn't look like they had been tortured during the korean war. what happened was that there were chapter down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots that made testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio birching, alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people. after the armistice, one, these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realize that they had been put through what was then called brainwash. could you describe the method used by the communist b k o? yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture, all the start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my faith flap once in awhile, and i failed to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 250. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a formal creation, a british finance american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors or cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some of them are classified material on people that escaped from the soviet union. and i've been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia and with the human ecology of fun wolf offered to who does ca, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was $11.00 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of psychological torture, they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g b and i think apd practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subject stand immobile for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques. the other techniques they discovered was from the, the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work, it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monogamy. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch, all harsh lights subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's horrible experience getting worse and worse. somebody suddenly talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was one subject said as bad as anything you had to hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired, or that then they came up a consult with the cia continued to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture on this project funded another guy, mcgill named dr. illinois cameron, what erin cameron did it. ellen moreland city was, was close to monstrous. i came in psychotherapy, i was just crying, crying cry was hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward you meant that on that day, cameron? that's you and cameron. yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why? we all fell to fear. we all had a fear of him and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, it would never. there was a patient with them. the patient was always screaming ah, lisa canter, russian state total narrative. i've stayed as i phone and the most landscape div. uh mm hm. the american house house that i'm at for a group in 55 with this been okay. so mine is gonna be the one else about this even with we will van in the european union, the kremlin, jeff machine, the state on russia today, and split r t spoke neck, given our video agency, roughly all band on youtube. mm hm. so we could push, did you think it was with me as a so called american century come to an end? if so, how did it come about was in poor leadership or the mission to lead the world itself was always destined to fail. and what follows the end of the american century these are the days and hours. ah, the occasion processor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap at oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in with ordinary psychological emotional problems. they sign their waivers, and then they would be subjected to this bizarre urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month. one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder. and it would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother hates me and he would blit the brim with ropes answered deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault. well, what's working? i mean it's garbage move. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the man a prolong basis along with what he could sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the site a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas who were messing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army was going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers, so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd. 1962 confirms a 129, e. c. t. 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep . the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st, november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed patterning and various stages. myself to those that was falsely acting strange, right? my mother decided to have i decided to have the bill to the on find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later, and that's when they found the shock on saw me. i was in the hours sir, 6 months, and this would repeat over days and days and weeks. and here is you to what you feel you have been through being department. yes, i gosh. and when i say you in mariah and are different we're older and what i mean you somehow could be yeah. wow. yeah. well they didn't finish the treatment for me . so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of d patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say, if i ask you what were you? what's that for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospitalized. i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into a sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks in a sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i with the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she is doctrine of psychological torture that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the bar counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm. mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about, if use, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual, lighter resty, or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogate? and it seems that milligrams experiment was like an art of his project. when i learned of incident such as the destruction of millions of men, women, and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2, how is it possible? i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life? can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at your university. the mower experiment very simply was assimilated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you going to get him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got in an ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment in try to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages. as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. i didn't fact milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man 2nd there i there i want to learn. i liked it now we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility and get her. i mean, he's under our end, it's actually central. as you continue teacher, there are still many left here and i mean, ged going get wrong. good. as to learn in last i mean i'm going to take the responsibility. if i only have was a gentleman responsible for anything that happens here. continue, but i'm actually slow. wow. dance truck music answered glaze wrong. ah 95 old dance? yes, you did this simply with a very simple saying, putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the pilgrim experiment is embargo the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behaving a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students who got a president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done. the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating, lose also, abrupt was quick. it was just, you know, take him off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was led by the cell. what some bardo did was a very cheap dark off of the kind of thing that milligram was doing not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is artificial and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get tougher. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. we were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself. but i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks. i had never once stop to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah. and then a. yeah. harms me. how did you how does it hard? just to claim that people can be like, yeah, and let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it, i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way and i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you and provisional, i would you of that. i don't know. ah. when i was showing wrong when i just don't know. i mean, you have to figure out this thing because the advocate and engagement, it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah no one, no, sir, no, no, no hook, no, no. well, door more real than what they should end up unit 731 was a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short, then build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program. that the world had ever no real good you know to production with it. so it gives you or should i go to that they're not killed when you saw new rochelle, he on more more general manager thought this meant union from all one of i've been there and i've got the room was sale. i got your name. i go on, underscore, i wish to know about joy. oh, new i know you didn't or got more pushed in jail. it's i had to put a little discount on whether or not but if you could, you could help us out. nice. oh boy. good to go. ahead, oh and what the bond is, the well, she, my and new other. i'm all, i can send more or said mom, good student, i don't the, you'll not on all of them out there to give us a little situational forces can overwhelm, can dominate even the best of us. ordinary people put in a bad evil environment can become transformed to become part of that negative environment. and it's any of us or in fact most of us the office of naval intelligence, there was a pretty consistent cut out front for ca. they funded much of this research and i don't know if there was a yield that they, they produce a yield for this cruel science. i don't, i, let's, it's a, maybe more, i just don't think they do it might play.