Ah, to discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guess, George Samuel leon budapest. Hes a podcast the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals in america. We cross to martin jay, hes an Award Winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman cross our rules. In fact, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. Right, start out with george in budapest. What do you think of my introduction . Georgia now overdue, and m r m m m, i prone to hyperbole. Here ill get that. I stress. All right, points that you did. Its a very succinct summary of where we are. I mean, when we think of legitimacy, what do we really mean . We mean political ruling elite that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy or what you know, what their populace generally wants, which is peace, prosperity, and at the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. Now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war, in which the west coast no discernable interests and, and they have done so full kind of bizarre, obscure, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about the new world order, the liberal world, all the rules based. Busy on that, not only resonates with the voters because they are rightly dont understand what any of these terms means. And so, as we had towards staggering economic crisis with written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent, germany 8 percent. Where a few years ago, the idea of even one Percent Inflation for the germans, man, my god, it was on his way back and, and the United States is clearly heading towards the speculation. So it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster. Disaster own choosing was another Natural Disaster was of their own choosing margin. Everything the george said, its completely obvious to all of us. But when were asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues . And when we hear the response, were going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that does it answer the question again. And its really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, theyre there, they dont, theyre not that they dont have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. Ive always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. Have a clue, a local broadcast, or across, or lease wrestling, or, or even the panoramic coast. Thats not really concerned. Im not attached to that economy, but its very disturbing. What you summarize about this month and we keep hearing from the west. The term ukraine must fight to the last man. You know, my god, how incredibly paternalistic to these people think they are, that, that when you look at the actual human collateral, you know, how much value does the west put on one ukraine life . I will say nothing 1000000 to its almost of their ideas and their human rights who maybe been airbrushed now the whole equation. Now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves. This new rationale on this new we keep hearing about the so called reset button. You know, what is the reset button . I dont know what it is, you know is i, i dont think i know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. Certainly in my life time is making this transition from being power on the governing and such and problems head on to should know dealing with problems and tools, but simply make themselves look busy. As if to give this idea, they represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world order based on, on free speech, on libertarian values on human rights, except for all that nonsense which weve been presented to for so long as being the the foundations of western democracy, which is really the, isnt really the true true, true story. I think whats happening now to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. Panic is setting in the western leash. They dont know where theyre going. That terrified of debate, debate, its like the age of, of the new environment. You know, we dont want people actually talking and this is why im horrified to get onto my laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. This being charged by the judiciary systems as a particular lady in germany. Now hes report to us, she has faced the legal case in an absence and shes got this, this trial against, for just reporting reporting the truth wasnt least, dont really like the truth thats come as a commodity. Theyve control the so called truth or the perceived truth. So wrong now, but i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to the ukraine. I think its very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super lease. You know, we keep looking at the lease. We tend to think of the leads of people liked about it or johnson or emmanuel micron, but theyre really the pump is really the sort of spokesperson of the release. The real leads a people who control equities and start markets, the banks Major Military industrial complex, and even hollywood. This is really just real powers, the control people let your bud and weve been living under this pretence for so long in the west, particularly america that i use. Okay. We have real democracy because we dont lecture but we can vote him out. Well, vote him out and replace him with with was with whom, you know, another muffet wearing a cheap suit representing those beliefs. So i think to answer the question and to talk to you about what georgia i think were witnessing the state of panic, super lifts. Now and ukraine is part of the whole process of immature isnt ukraine. The deflection because of the panic weve been, martin has just talked about. I mean, they problems are easily recognized. But in, when you live in their ideological bubble, they dont have any answers. They dont have any tools. Ok thats, thats the problem they have. And the problem is they only talk to themselves and what our problems are. They either dont recognize or could care less because our concerns are not their concerns and they are. Busy more they were more important because they have the power george. Yes. So theres no question of that. And then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of forest johnston in which the media obsess. You know, they devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said woman, who you, one about and when, and none of it has any relevance. I mean, you just look at the, you know, exactly who can run any that way. It will britain facing 11 Percent Inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. When you have essentially months. Months of the month of negative growth economy is stagnating. These are the issues that are roiling burton, and its going to get even worse. We as, as we get into the winter and it was a panic, is also sitting in is that the rest of the world isnt buying what the west is selling. And you know, whether its india or china. They arent interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinking and by the little hole that the great struggle going on in the world when democracy in return isnt that . No, i didnt want. Lincoln is talking about it. I have no idea with the leaders of india, leaders of china, they pursue the National Interest is a life of you, the civilizational interest, and ross of the same. They understand russia point of view, they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing. What, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in ukraine. In fact, when we asked that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve when you great, its impossible to ask, im just going to go on, you know, whatever the less, the ones we, you know, the landscape will get. And were just going to keep fighting, and were going to wait. We are trying to put the russians as much as possible. Well with you to want. I mean, where, where does this go . Since you are no hope of winning, and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. So the west is engaged in a war that the rest of the world as no interest and doesnt understand what the west is doing. A forest johnson was brought up because it got no correct me if im wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. But in the last waning days of this agony of his a premiership, he was talking about cox. It masculinity and the glasgow conference. You talk about we need to be more feminine. What i think voters didnt expect that im a conservative leader. Maybe im wrong. Now because he was all in respect of he came from that classic conservative background liter. Some of being eaten, not many people in britain, even know that johnson isnt really even english. Hes russian, greek, turkish and french rolled into one. So hes an old character, but he played up very much the lift. And i think thats because really if you look at the, the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost landslide was, was the huge contingent of labor voters, the voted for him, the cross line, you know, because they want to get bricks, it ducks the tories one have the next time around the next election. They wont have that to play. But the story about joseph is really interesting. Were going to need to some because johnson is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. K. And the reason why he had to be pulled out, well, the reason why there was just minor to data in england was because the conservative party realized it wasnt playing by the rules. The rules of keeping this pretense going, that we have a further democracy in the u. K. And that we really believe in freedom speech and human rights. And all this, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation plantations, american say, and panic because served as well. Well, if you carried on doing that, it doesnt matter about the scandals that you keep on. But if you carry on doing it, people will start to realize that actually this is a functioning democracy anymore. And then there is a facade here, you know, where super leach in our country say, the big decisions. And, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a products that probably wasnt factored in to taking on russia in the u. K. You know, the fact that you have this acceleration now of bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china, together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. You know, lets look forward. Thats really exciting, but im sure the super leads of these western countries didnt factor in what they were thinking about. I think it were 2 fundamental things. First of all, how can we create a monumental distraction tool . The policies in the west, you know, created was somewhere thats a brilliant way of just hurting all your journalists, you know, taking them. All right. You said you have 2 points. They said one way to go to a quick break about the quick break. Well get to get your number 230. Ah ah, ah. Oh, when i was showing wrong, when i just dont know. I mean you have to figure out disdain becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. Ah, welcome to cross stock. Were all things are considered. Im peter labelle. This is the home addition to remind you. Were discussing some real news. Ah martin, get back to you america. Sure. You mentioned your 1st point, what is your 2nd go ahead. The 2nd point is the seaward corruption. And corruption always plays a big role. Im when they leave start to fail when they start to lose their grip on the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. I think our son to panic and i think theyre starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. How do you have you insure against that . You know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan . Against that, you take 40 or 50000000000. 00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy isnt an industrial miniature complex. You sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for a while now. And by the way, theres more to come, you know, to, you know, you have these huge rounds which in European Union and america about illegal state aid when it war comes. Well, those say a lot girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. So am ratio lockheed martin. Even worse, give huge sums of money to 1. 00 of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was a victory correctly. I want to change gears a little bit. George, its very interesting to me. We had a number of con, fabs. We had, you know, brussels, you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting. And we had the g 7, we had nato, but the most important meeting was the g. 20, which the u. S. And its a g 7. Now, ice armor basically disrupted and made it into a non event. They obstructed in for reasons that you and martin of already talked about here, is that they want the, the g 7 element of the g 20. If i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody else saying, no, were not on board. I mean, you dont want to solve the worlds problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. We dont want to be part of that. We want to solve problems. We all know about growing of food insecurity. Sanctions in secondary sanctions and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesnt fear it anymore. Go ahead, george. This is x excellent point it with solve problems. Aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. Ready not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the others said. Okay, well lets, you know, here we all are. Lets see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. No, no, no, we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. I will not shake his dirty hand and i will not close in a collective photograph afterwards and i will not take part in any joint communicate. So how does that solve the problem . How do we move forward from that . And then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest does thing. Ok, well weve, weve set up these organizations and how do we try to resolve problems . And i think there really is something to do. I really love wrong. Emphasizes this over time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c s t o r or the, the, the asian, the economic area were doing with a view to solving problems. We dont do it in order to direct and again, someone else it right now, were all together. You know, lets see how much we can hate the other. But as far as the witness doesnt always, gideon logically driven the, they get together, the g 7 get together and nato, and the e. U. And all i know is to shake their fist at either russia or china, or anyone else whos not on board with the other west agenda. So, i mean, this is more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. Anyway, hes having to just ignore that. You know, what do they have to say to us . I was thinking with angry uncle, but i think the west is the global care. It right now is like, oh, there they go. And theyre going out the handle. You know, theyre very rational. You dont talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. But its very good martin, you know, im looking at in the, in the west. They dont give a whole lot of coverage because theyre, you know, theyre not up in front and center and they will be in 2008. The g 20, i would say, did play a positive role. Least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis at the time. But thats sort of the purposes of the west. Economic crisis came out of the west. Ok. And then you know, we have this situation meeting this year. The west doesnt want to participate in having global solutions. Ok, maybe you dont like whats going on in ukraine, but i think everybodys been so we dont want to have family in africa. I mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because its ideologically possess. Yeah, its, id love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is straight to the fraud. You know, theyre, theyre, theyre obsessed with having their own agenda on their own, against their own role. But its interesting and the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because whats gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple of months. This is some of these are countries nafrica going to start suffering. And the 1st person theyre going to turn to for substitution. They were to enter your opinion in brussels, which has been bang on a trunk so long now about, you know, we can help you with trade and a, you could reform with human rights. There was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. And the message from the africans were sick and tired of you preaching to us about human rights. You know what, we want much more European Union. Whats happening is the old relationships between the law is african countries. Im the cleaning of masters is falling apart. Just recently, last few days. The french pulled out their last troops for monday, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro. And you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. When in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect so big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens were working for them, the parenthesis to that was the money. And were hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french, whereby they would protect us if we have some civil political uprising now. The old deal with colonial powers will the unwritten deal was what will help you with that, you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but thats over now. You know, we cant do that anymore just as the, the saudis, and most of the state is discovered june the spring when they look to the americans. When they start to get worried about political incentives. See, you know, thats why these companies are looking more and more to russia because weve lost more. Whats huge list that moral high ground, you know, in the west, we dont our infants anymore. So, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting. If they decide theyve had enough of this relationship, this nonsense and they turn to the former clean power sprint from just say you need to help us out. We need hund