going to keep their forces in syria to prevent further empowerment of bashar assad effectively is what i mentioned is going to be kind of germany fixation of syrian conflict which will have serious implications not only for syria but for the region of course they keep telling us that you know they are not interested in partition and disintegration of syria what if it moves like a doc if you like a dog then probably it's a dog you know jonathan weigh in on that because i am really quite mystified by all that's what is the national security interest of the united states to maintain military forces even legally under international law in syria what is the game plan it seems to me it's a lot of spite they don't like the fact that the russians the iranians and our side won that it's back down on the ground they want to accept it go ahead jonathan. made it clear that to do it against iran initially it was against iris but it was against. it's against iran they say that quite clearly they've built a grown up into a bogeyman and i'm going to listen was talking about this northern arch the some kind of arch invisible to anybody except to listen in the american administration that would stretch from terror around to the mediterranean coast and it's nonsense i mean for years syria was a completely calm country but iran had meant minimal influence there have no troops no toll it's only because of the collapse of the authority in syria of the agreements of commune and if authority is restored in damascus and assad can exert control as he's hoping to do throughout the country then the need for the iranian presence and i'm quite confident that it would be dramatically reduced so it's a bogeyman in the eyes of the americans it's nonsense yeah ok but to mohamed in doha i mean i agree with you it's really a farce here that the u.s. is created in pursuing it but it has real life implications on the ground here i mean the interesting thing is is that the syrians proxy civil war it never gets simpler we have the whole situation ok granted it's an illusion but turkey is not and this is we have this collision that's going on between two me and nato countries the united states and turkey having a collision over the kurds here and i don't see any real easy way out except for maybe a deterioration of nato relations within the alliance i mean that certainly can't be what the americans want is it go ahead moment. while so for we have seen one year off from prism in the u.s. foreign policy and so far what we are witnessing is basically politics with no specific strategic objectives so far but the ministration has not has a lot to resolve the isis problem for sure at the same time the syrian conflict now is a limbo and instead of the scale eighteen days. to keep the conflict in the mideast what he has tricked through a good another conflict with tookie so far now we're faced by with one open ended conflict that is going to be between the united states and then go into her. in iran and beyond so far in terms of conflict and there is i don't see a particular strategic way out of this mess unfortunately we had a lot of it coming from the white house but we don't have any effective strategic decisions try into the is committed to situation or at least help with the syrians outcome that would be favorable to all parties. in this because the whole journey of a process in the house has been big history yes and i've seen i mean that i'm so i don't want to sound naive here but there is a way out here it's called a sitting down at the table and negotiate an end of this have internationally observed elections i have nothing against that. make sure no all these foreign proxies leave make sure the gulf countries stop sending arms and money to these various groups i mean there is a way out it's not that hard there's no political will particularly on the side of the united states that has no geopolitical winces whatsoever to be in that country go ahead. there is no easy way out because there are too many con of foreign interests involved in this conflict and in my opinion we are only beginning to end to the second phase of this bloody and multi-faceted and multi-dimensional conflict in the first phase. that kind of long is allies like old russia iran and hezbollah have been the main conduit for winners but now we are entering the second phase in this phase maybe we're going to have an active involvement of other regional players important regional players who did not play a leading role and here i'm talking about is the reason that the united states is going to keep kind of at least two thousand soldiers in syria and at the same time training another thirty thousand of soldiers within the framework of. forces is because of the fact that they want to maintain a military balance in the second phase because it seems that they are extremely concerned about permanent military bases by countries like russia and the islamic republic of iran so in my opinion basically fighting against or basically taking measures to prevent further empowerment of bashar assad is nothing but a pretext against against what's happening at the moment so they want to just create a balance of power. and that can create all conflict for a very very long time that's a very interesting way of looking at it and go to jonathan i mean but you know what i i guess you know these other outside forces forget that syria is a sovereign country it can invite other countries in to set up a military base i mean the united states that they don't. all over the world ok and the syrians want to have the russians there have the ratings there where they were not there before i mean that the rank hypocrisy of all of this you know why should these foreign powers they decide who can have a military base in syria when they have no right to do so under international law go ahead jonathan. well i mean i agree with you on that i mean you know who rock the americans were invited by the iraqi government of nuri al maliki initially and hyderabadi afterwards they came in but. syria they've never been invited in and they've been never been proved presence by damascus so it is completely illegal and . finish off i mean the trouble is the council behind eating away at us policy is this issue of trying to get our side to resign early on and twenty eleven forty would resign or be toppled by the crowds in the street like what happened in syria what happened what happened in egypt i mean what happened in two news you're going to didn't happen they must admit that they made a terrible mistake and if they want peace in the country if they want reconstruction if they want to get a few jews to go home and the i.d.p.'s to go home they have to recognize that our side is the winner in this you must deal with him and construction reconstruction is go through him and all these rebel groups from outside funded by the gulf countries and turkey and so on must go home and leave the country alone well mohamed to me if i go back to go back to last minute before we go to the break here i mean since two thousand and eleven to the present can you explain to me in our audience what difference does that make it because saad is there a reason there we have seen through this this civil war that is an invention from the outside that cohesion of the damascus government it is there ok it's not based on a personality cult of a personality the outs these outside forces that brought. the people of syria very very different people to come together and fight all foreigners ok so this whole thing that assad must go is ridiculous go ahead my. one so far out of since the protests. that peacefully in two thousand and eleven we had the six months of nonviolence so there was a political process that means the young syrians were protesting there was. no misery and socio economic grievances and then there was interaction however once we moved to the oktober two thousand and eleven things when south we had violence so far perceive see the. kitchen of the regional politics where you have seven powers trying to money relate the. here and i'll come back to you we must go to a break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syrian state with our. global blog sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings us to the chicken or forcing you to fight the battle. to do so try to tell you to be gossiped about. as a. whole and by. that we all. go. young children have worked in bolivia for generations almost three quarters of a million are doing so today. this culture led to the development of bolivia's new liberal and highly controversial children's code in two thousand and fourteen which gave children as young as ten the right to work under certain circumstances what is and isn't as. these animals. eat but with that you have in the end all. the things years. but there are hundreds of thousands of children in bolivia operating completely outside the local. mining work is strictly forbidden by the children but it's never enforced and that means the schoolboy mine is here to continue risking their lives for the money they need to survive. i played for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside i. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch pull the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the superman each kill he narrowness and spending two hundred twenty million on one player. so it's an experience like nothing else not to because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful guy was great so one more chance for. a nice minute. welcome back to cross like we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle we're discussing syria. we can't go back in leads here i mean we can discuss the origins of all of this i would disagree with our guest in doha it wasn't all peaceful in the beginning they were people that were using force and looking for force regime change which of course those elements have been there for a long time and we know who have been backing them so and also i'd like to point out is that in this horrible horrific civil war when you look at the casualties how of them of big government troops fighting for their country fighting for their their right to exist ok the people they were fighting well they were more interested in ethnic cleansing ok so i think we should have a sense of proportion i've seen i mean i'm really still very concerned with this element with turkey here how do we get through this here because it seems to me that one has this kind of a neo ottoman view of the conflict he's digging in in northern syria and he plans to stay it looks like so much for the sovereignty of syria and it's from a country that is a member of nato go ahead. turkish foreign policy is complicated and if you do look at that an understatement. and if you do look at kind of. foreign policy over the last five years it has gone through so many different stages so we really cannot talk about a single turkish policy towards either us or see the over the last five years certainly in the first phase of the war it was all about us and if you cheer of syria without him but now it seems that the main main turkish preoccupation is it's all internal security dynamics as you nobody well the turkish security establishment and political has been sometimes in violent and sometimes in one violent confrontation with per kid we're talking about three four decades of confrontation and now d.c. they see this kind of year period gear which is into framework of estee if kind of gaining more and more power not only is gaining more and more power in syria but it is directly backed up by the united states as far as the turks are concerned this is directly with izing internal national security so what is happening right now at the moment between washington and he's no longer or only about and if you should of syria it is also about some other very important issues and if you do look at what has been happening between washington and over the last year their relationship has gone to a very very problematic stage i mean only about a week ago american officials warned their own citizens about traveling to turkey and turkey did exactly the same to our so many issues like facts like a discount a very problematic result rob. as well as if that's creating a lot of impediments for a court the other relationship between these two nato allies you know jonathan it's really interesting is that you know we have serious kind of a backdrop. overlooking the crisis in turkish american relations this is you know these are supposed to be nato allies here you have you have other nato countries that are quite nervous we have to point out to our viewers that turkey is the second largest military in nato and they see there they say one of their allies infringing upon the sovereignty of another country and we have erred on actually wanting other nato countries to start joining in on his security efforts security problems that he has created for himself the more he gave medals with the syrian situation the kurdish situation in syria the more it hurts him down the road just as we pointed out this is a very domestic issue as well it's not one in syria it's a lot actually it's also in iraq go ahead jonathan well no i mean i've seen is absolutely right i soldiers analysis of turkish foreign policy in the contradictions was spot on i mean the problem is that there's no reason why there should be a conflict even in turkey itself yet there was a peace process for two years one was talking to do a lot to learn on the leadership people and they were making progress and then he just threw it out of the window because he wanted to present himself to the turkish domestic electorate strong man who wasn't giving in because at that point he was trying to win a referendum on a new executive powerful presidency so it was electorally. moderated. and he just threw out the sport on the floor just bored but now he's got to continue in syria because he's convinced that the s.d.f. in a new version of a corner to northeast to syria is somehow beholden to the p.k. k. which is no longer true yeah. you know mohamed how much you know we talked to you started out with your first comments about the first year of the presidency your trumpeters i'm here in the middle east i mean how much of american foreign policy is actually driven by some kind of vision that president trump has which i tend to doubt to be honest with you or how is it really coming out of tel aviv in riyadh because it seems that you know trump has really cozy. tel aviv in riyadh in his presidency in a very simplistic and i think dangerous way but how much is he being pushed by those two countries go ahead mahmoud. what i think there are two shifts warthe taken into consideration in the position of the administration one trump was always critical of the obama administration policy towards syria he said that he was not effective and he was not kind of put help in the syrians and now we're looking at the situation with basically it is no clear you're sort of all in syria now in the midst of all this chaos shift number two is an overt and exaggerated over on counter terrorism in the international relations of the unite of the united states with the middle east and i think what we saw in the time it was too much investment in this counterterrorist to the extent that now it has overshadowed the complexity of the whole syrian crisis and all the chaos and there's also another problem now i think we are. waiting among ourselves is that we're trying to simply fall home to blame which country or the very government is responsible for the escalation in syria and they think the blame goes around starting from the u.s. and some real powers who thought the money in new power inside syria and in the. and guess what all of this exaggerated investment income and the lot of them is now bringing to the realization that it is still more complex. than what in two thousand and twelve you know i've seen one of the interesting things is the more countries like saudi arabia and israel blame iran for the region's woes you know that just gets more and more influential because that doesn't make these geopolitical blunders that these other characters do in the region here i mean iraq was a catastrophe what's happening in yemen is a catastrophe syria is holding its own here and you know always looking to blame iran and iran are by almost doing nothing comes out on top don't you think they should learn something from that go ahead. yes i mean certainly when you do look at what has been happening in the region over the last certainly. fifteen years since the invasion of iraq by the united states a lot of things that has happened in the region somehow has ended up kind of benefiting iranian position within the middle east the invasion of iraq of op rising the rise of isis and so on and of course it is not only about the iranian policy it is also about kind of miscalculations and wrong policies of the ukrainian primarily here we're talking about saudi arabia but this situation is changing a little bit now we have a president in the white house who has a very kind of narrow iran centric understanding of the region according to his kind of naive perspective all the problems in the middle east all the instabilities in the middle east all of the sudden can be resolved if they could confront iran and the best way he things that he could confront iran is to kind of undermine this historic deal and now increasingly there is more evidence to suggest that maybe within the next three or four months we're going to see the end of this very important security deal and if that happens it can create some serious new problems for for the region so iran should not take account of its recent victories in the region for granted because the situation is changing the corridors of power in washington is certainly in favor of saudi arabia is all to the point i'm not even sure if mr trump is acting on behalf of american interests or the interests of israel and saudi arabia their region because if you do look at his policies his effective undermining their you can't interest or even worse than. interests in the region in all. of the foreign policy discourse of both israel and saudi arabia let me go to jonathan i would add on to that promote we just heard from. him and also splintering nato and the european union over the in randi oh ok because the united states look at nikki haley you know in that vast hall she's all alone or virtually all alone and all of these issues here and you know i was highly critical of obama's foreign policy the only thing that he did in his foreign policy that i agreed with was the iran deal i think it made pragmatic sense ok and now we have this reversal here john of the one last minute here i mean . from what we did i mean is it really just all about iran and preparing some kind of conflict with the ram because you know all the pieces on the board kind of point in that direction go ahead. well no that is certainly true and what i said was right again i mean israel has always wanted the u.s. to change the regime in tehran they hoped they would do that fifteen years ago they thought iraq was going to me they were pushing for iran and they were. being told will move on and off we've done iraq and that is still now the policy of the trump administration of course it's a complete diversion the real problem in the middle east as it has been for fifty years is the israeli palestinian issue but of course it. in the interests of netanyahu in the right wing in israel to try and minimize the palestinian things or no no iran is much bigger threat and it's much bigger issue it's trying to take over the whole region and so on and unfortunately the u.s. so many people long before the trumpet ministration of fallen for that ploy they 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