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The yellow brick road. For months we have known about conflict with lewandowski and the man behind the curtain. Some thought monkeys would fly before trump would scrap the team but after weeks of bad press and sinking numbers and there are lewandowski lovers, Trump Officials and the advisers who tweeted quote, ding dong, the witch is dead along with this picture after the news broke. Side note, kuputo is kaput. He resigned. Interviews on cable news about the time with the campaign and relationship with him. It helped us grow the campaign. We need ten more. The Campaign Needs to continue to grow to be successful. Everything that paul did for the campaign was one last thing i had and im thankful for that. Our politics, kevin will be on the show later this afternoon that paul plans to make Additional Campaign hires. The a block talking about this. Lets first get to the very key first question, which is why did trump get rid of Corey Lewandowski. After having two people and bickering over personnel decisions and over how trump operates, et cetera, Donald Trumps children and some other advisors convinced him that this had to be done now. It had to be done for the sym l symbolism to recognize they had a problem and had to be done because paul they realized with the right experience to run a campaign that couldnt have two people trying to run it. There is some talk also, as you know, that like he was ready to walk away. But it gives you the whole thing gives you a sense of just what a catastrophic last three weeks this has been in trump world. Donald trump is a guy whose been loyal to people that worked for him at senior levels throughout the life. He did not want to get rid of Corey Lewandowski but got so bad he had to make the choice. The other thing is mechanical Going Forward. We dont know whether trump wants to run a Serious Campaign in a traditional sense or not, how much hell go down the road. Corey lewandowski was not ready to do that. One of the biggest sources of attention in the manifort, so much occurs on the road and corey travels every trip. It was difficult because trump is not in regular communication, does an email, rarely on the phone. It was difficult for anyone but Corey Lewandowski to control or not control what trump did on the road. They need somebody to monitor his behavior every day trump is watching a lot of cable news. Hes reacting. Hes tweeting. They need his message discipline to go up. People felt with Corey Lewandowski controlling the rhythm isnt going to change and needs to change with a lot of other things. There is a huge problem. Almost every president ial campai campaign. If they are in sync, things in case they werent because whatever you want to say whatever corey is saying thinking he would run it. And corey even as corey and passive aggressive and sometimes aggressive aggressive and that situation, ivan reported on that has that sustained way for a long period of time. This was not tenable. Lets be honest, every campaign has tensions. Not this time. Not scolded. The two camps literally going to trump with opposition research. Tensions about go doing Television Major need to be able to go on tv. Im not saying this will solve every problem. They need to make a change for substantive and symbolic reasons. Not too late but he waited a long time. Now the question is given the change, is this going to have an impact on trumps fortunes . You made the turn into your own question, the segway into that. I think there is a chance this will change nothing. Zero, nothing. Nada of importance because as much as the mechanical stuff is important and you cant win a president ial campaign without having operations in the Battle Ground states and doing advertising and polling and an lit ticks, all of which again you need that stuff but the thing thats been delving the Trump Campaign is trump is saying and offending the e let tri electret, if trump is not going to change himself and i dont think there is any evidence, zero evidence to suggest that trump recognizes that hes killing himself, it doesnt matter. Its possible he could put somebody else on the plane with trump. If anybody else managed the Trump Campaign and saw where it stood on fundraising, hiring, organization, media, they would have a coronary. If there were six months ago, we would be behind schedule. He can start hiring fast enough but hes free to do it with the clashes with corey and i do think that if trump ever had a chance in the race, it was a month ago people were talking about trump having a very good chance in the race, if he has a chance, its to have someone on the road to channel extraordinary gifts of communication towards talking about things Like Washington is corrupt. Washington needs to change. Hillary clinton is the same old, same old. Hes got to talk every day about the message, not about trump university. Not about pissues. Its better than the track they are on. To me, the thing with trump, the things that got him in the most trouble, the most trouble, the sustained attack over the course of a week on the judge, a racist attack claiming that a guy a guy hispanic that lived in indiana as a u. S. Citizen, the judge in the case because of ethnic background, that and reaction in the key moment after the orlando shootings, those things, i dont know if anyone can control trump and not make him say those things. Its simple. Maybe trump wont listen. Before he goes out, here are things to talk about and here are things you shouldnt talk about. I know on the plane you were upset that megyn kelly said that. Dont talk about that. Thats not on message. Up until now, as best i can tell, nobody was trying to we dont disagree the situation has a chance of being better than before. My only thing is i believe trump is who trump is and i think the reason he liked corey so much is corey said trump is trump. Hell still be trump. Coming up my extended conversation today and new polls, the latest campaign for contested Gop Convention and how Hillary Clinton is handling this important moment but first, these words from our sponsors. 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John, how realistic is it to stop donald trump by letting the delegates vote their conscience the way speaker ryan suggested to chuck todd was okay with him . If paul ryan, Mitch Mcconnell and especially those two guys, if they were to decide they were for this and were to make a decoloration, this was now the state of where the party had to go, it would be quite realistic. In the absence of open advocacy on the part of republican leaders, not a very good chance and i dont think grass roots at this point to answer the second question. This is mostly elites concerned about the state of party, future of the party and republicans that have to campaign with donald trump if donald trump remains donald trump in the way i was suggesting before the commercial break. Those are two answers. I think that it is semi grass roots but no doubt there is great interest among elites, a lot of strategists trying to figure can they pull this off. Trump talked about it over the weekend in a way that made me think he was a little concerned about it. I talked to donald trump junior about that. Well see that interview in a bit on the show. He denounced it and went back to the main argument against it, of course, which is it takes it away from voters. The voters vote overwhelming support for donald trump. As you suggested, if ryan and mcconnell got behind it republican, youd have a better chance but katy packer gauge on friday said hes got to be grass roots. I think thats true. I think basically it has to be shadow thing where its led by the grass roots and maybe supported behind the scenes and still having change makes it less likely and a lot of elites will be persuaded, hey, he is our nominee and presumptive nominee and lets see if this produces a change. If he continues to flounder in the polls and continues to make mistakes, they can do this at the last minute. Mistakes, what he might see as smart moves. It totally matters what happens between now and the second week of july. Youre right, it makes it less likely if this change of leadership, the lewandowski is followed by change of behavior that carries through in a sustained way over the next three or four weeks, ill predict trump will come back and say things problematic further down the line. It might put some of might put some people at ease enough to allow him to be nominated. If this change happened today and there is this talk about change, change, change and a week trump says something after he said about orlando or the judge, it could increase the desire to make the change happen and people will finally come to the conclusion that there is no way that hes going to change and that will make it unsurvivable for too many republicans. There is fascinating debates going on about the role of the parties, the state parties and an interesting question. If a partys nominee killed someone, clearly they find a way to change it or convicted. Convicted of a felony. Or indicted. A lot of things could happen. Clearly trump has done things in the minds of mostly delegates, short of that. I dont think this movement can gain enough steam that they can get it done barring additional developments. There are hundreds itching to try this and that is produce a convention snuffed out. Its clear if you think about people close to speaker ryan and mcconnell and leaders who right now are carefully balancing risks and benefits of where they should be standing. Thats a lot of like to see this kind of grass roots thing take off because that would give them an additional level of safety and cover to get involved maybe at the convention and allow this to happen but youre right, its right in saying its like the two things could feed on each other. Grass roots getting stirred up and leadership getting safety and taking action and getting more grass roots. You could see it get whipped up if trump says something provocative. This would be more likely if somebody emerged and some white knight candidate there unbiened away from trump and would go to the great candidate. There is no such person and not be. It will not be cruz or romney in advance. Im not sure that matters. I think there is a fair number of delegates and certainly a number of elites would take mystery door number two regardless of who is behind it. Because they have because they have imaginations and can imagine who would be behind the door and on the floor in cleveland. Marco rubio. A lot of elites say behind that door its open it up and see a ticket of ryan rubio and say well go into the fall with ryan rubio and take the chances on a backlash. And well go into the fall and lose that race because well be starting so far behind but reveal it will be a ticket that the party can campaign with and behind without fear of being decimated in house and senate races. Donald trump junior in the interview got pretty hot, understandably so at the notion that the voters will would not prevail. Interesting to me there is a relatively muted reaction with the exception of trump himself over the weekend, donald trump the candidate over the weekend, relatively muted from supporters. I wonder if thats because some of them are concerned about behavior or they are not taking it seriously but you would normally i think see among in trump world, even in social media on twitter you would see reaction. I have not picked that up. Its been relatively quiet. To say they are not taking this seriously and their attitude is the establishment is dead and our guy is triumph. Nobody wants to run against trump and not take it seriously. I think thats more of what is going on. The diehards are still the diehard in trump world. The ones that love him. They are not worried about it. No doubt to me. It hangs in the balance. Depends on performance. 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A democratic and republican proposal set to be voted on on that front. We will bring you updates as we get them and now back to with all due respect. Welcome back following the change of the top of the Trump Campaign i went to trump tower and caught up with the eldest don junior and the change of the guards. Skied him what voters should think about the change. Listen, i think its a regular move towards unity. You have a campaign thats transitioning and going from candidate to presumptive nominee to actually nominee and i think there is a great evolution in that. I joked last time i sat with you i was in politics for two weeks, now its been about five but again, we have a lot more relationships with the teams growing. Well always be much leaner and meaner, more effective than the other side but we are up against a very big machine and we need people running this that have done that in the past and have those relationships a experienc working with the rnc. We had a great relationship with corey. We had a great relationship with him with what hes done and did historic. Youve seen that. I mean, to not only win the nomination but to do it at a level where you have the greatest voter turnout in gop history. Thats unprecedented and special. There is a time where we have to move on and adapt to the general and i think that time is now before the convention makes perfect sense. So just make sure i understood when you said, youre switching to giving more authority to Paul Manafort who has been through this before because this phase requires someone with maybe more relationships and president ial Campaign Experience . No question. I dont think anyone is going to fog you for doing that. That makes sense. Thats largely happened already. This story isnt necessary news. Paul has taken over since april where hes doing that but when you have a team thats running lean and mean and historically used to reporting to one person, that transition isnt always the easiest. This shows hey, were doing that and making that shift and we are doing this because we want to unite the party and have everyone behind us for the ultimate objective which is beating Hillary Clinton. Again, fair to say again, i understand what you said about corey, you need one person in charge and you had two guys. You cant have too many my father will always be the guy this charge and make decisions but you need one guy running the day to day aspects. To have more than that you stumble over yourselves. We pride ourselves on efficiency and getting rid of the excess that you see that is prevalent in government and the system where you have waste. Those are things well get rid of for ourselves. There is a long tradition in history of family members sometimes being the only ones that can get the candidate to do something. Ive watched. I was around when corey joined the campaign. Ive watched your father and corey develop a strong relationship which they still have, im sure. Yeah. Is it the case widely reported you and your sister and brother played some role in seeing to your father that change was necessary . I think a lot of people play roles in that. Were involved and speak to him daily and every hour probably on a lot of issues. Specifically, youall thought that was a good change to make . Listen, i think its the right and appropriate decision but in the end my father will always make his own mind and come to those decisions himself. Nobody is going to lead him to a decision. They will give him thoughts and well weigh them and if hes talking to a guy hes speaking to on the street and weigh them and give them as much credence. Its how he built his business talking to the construction worker and not the foreman. That resonates. Were we involved in talking with this . Sure. We left in a great way with corey and we have a great relationship with corey and hes done something with incredible. I wish all separations went that well. Its been widely reported of course. You three were universal. Were obviously involved. You were universal in recommended and weve been told you three werent out to get corey but your judgment was change was required and made the recommendation and that made him decide its fair and i think in many respects he was coming to that on his own and we were there to help him augment that and think it through with him. You were taking away a guy who was a pretty big force in the campaign since its inception. Are you concerned that coreys departure leaves a hole that may not be able to be filled right away . No, between the interest of the people that reached out to us on a daily basis about coming on and augments and supplementing the team, i think well be great in a really good spot and have continue with a Great Campaign and i dont think that will be an issue at all. Its been widely reported there was detention between corey and Paul Manafort. Not hard reporting to get. Spokes people denied it for weeks and this weekend. Doesnt that make people scenical, something of usually true . I think its certainly inside baseball. Listen, how they get along and if someone comes in to take over a role there will be issues with that. Thats called life, mark. That happens every day. Not just on a political trail but at your job when someone comes in or leaves. I think thats day to day stuff and if that didnt happen and wasnt out there that would be totally abnormal. Weve done what needs to be done to get rid of issues. Thats not going to be an issue Going Forward and well run a Great Campaign. For the purpose of the campaign has to be denied at the time. It has to be denied. It was denied is the thing that makes some people feel a little cynicsin sen in this cas about it. Its like if i didnt know better i would say im watching game of thrones based on my twitter feed. If everyone is thrilled about changes like that, not everyone is thrilled about the changes. Thats human nature. There is difference between actual and what is being reported. Its hard to fill a 24hour news cycle. Its not easy. As exciting as this can be for me living day by day its not exciting to average people. You got to create the story line. Ive seen it going on with the media since we got into this thing. What i can tell you is none of the stuff thats been reported and ive read about is nearly as exciting and dramatic as it is in 140 characters or less on my twitter feed. So he didnt want to admit it, but he did when i said so you guys recommended this . He did say thats the case. And thats pretty big deal. Thats fair. Its common in campaigns, right . You see often a decision needs to be made. The candidate is loyal to someone. Trump is exceedingly loyal to corey and it took the family to say it must be done. Here is the most important thing that comes back to what we talked about earlier. There is a dispute in the people in the world that report on this family whether the family recognizes that donald trump himself has to change behavior or the Campaign Needs to change. The last we know, the first in question. More from the interview later in the program. I asked him about his fathers poll numbers and a delegate revolt in cleveland. Well have that right after this. You can worry about them. Hem. You can even choose a car for them. mom honey, are you ok . child im ok. announcer vo love. mom were ok. announcer vo its what makes a subaru, a subaru. And youre talking to your doctor about your medication. This is humira. 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My strategy has been let trump be trump and you get a person who has completely changed the way that politics is viewed in this country for the better and get a thoroughbred, person like donald trump who has had his heart and his finger on the pulse of the American People for a long time and so, you know, i like to say im a person that has helped implement some ideas. For anybody to say the family disagreed i dont think would be accurate. That was the now former Campaign Manager for donald trump. Corey lewandowski driving home his golden role for advising mr. Trump home for this race. It comes as trumps poll numbers are slipping including a survey by Monmouth University trumps unfavorable rating is 57 compared to clinton at 52. Joining us to talk about these numbers and more, republican pollster who ran one of ted cruz or a consortium of many of Ted Cruz Super pacs and stan greenburg. Thank you for. Kelly, since youre here ill start with you. How optimistic are you about the changes today in the outlook out Trump Campaign . Its very clear the Trump Campaign wants to expand the operation. Get the field operatives higher and invest in ground game and data and more modelling digital and of course, the rnc will be a helpful to the nominee in this case mr. Trump in fulfilling responsibilities. But i also believe that paul is your sense that Corey Lewandowski was an obstacle to get those things done . Not for me to say. Obviously the campaign made the decision and mr. Trump made the decision. What im saying is that as a campaign expands, sometimes you have to move it away from Central Location into the states where this goes. Other candidates have done this. Gee, bill clinton got rid of dick morris at the Democratic National convention in july of that year. One loss for Hillary Clinton in the iowa caucus in the 2008 and pat patty doyle is out. John kerry made a replacement and this is not new for campaigns and i think the your interview with donald trump junior is very telling. I think thats the best explanation one would have for what happened today. Stan, let me ask you this. Kelly ann made a reference back to dick morris. You were involved in two clinton campaigns. His departure. You were involve in two clinton campaigns and seen staff infighting. This this the solution, if the solution is the operation of the campaign, if thats what this is meant to address is this a solution to what ails donald trump . No, it couldnt be. It wouldnt be less important and by the way, if i think about the bill clinton campaign, we came out january, you know, in california primary you remember we were negative territory in favorability or mistrust problems but june was devoted to counter scheduling, defining him, introducing his biography, reminding people this was a humble guy from arkansas. The entire convention was devoted to presenting him to the country and, you know, you move into a very different position coming into the convention. We had a paross perot withdraw. Here were talking about organizational issues that dont get at the heart of the candidate. We spent so much time leading up to that january, to that last primary thinking through its called the manhattan project. How well get the most out of the period. Thats unique about this. Were talking about the period of time where usually you begin to improve favorability and improve yourself after you locked up the primary leading into the convention. Thats the period for bill clinton and candidates succeeded in improving convention, consolidating and winning. Here were talking about going in the opposite direction. Kel rly ann, you look at the totality of the polls. A few weeks ago, they were roughly even in the National Horse race numbers. Again, they are not apples to apples but most of the National Polls are showing trump with a deficit. Where demographically does he need to go to get the race tightened back up. Several places. One is among independents. Not enough to make up deficits for other groups like romney and African Americans and women that lost by double digits. For mr. Trump because he is the true independent candidate, he can go back and make a case to independents that Hillary Clinton cannot, which is im with you. Im just like you. Ive never been in washington. Corrupt system. Hell need to do better among republican women. You know, people say youve got to sure up the base before you can expand. He will do better but were in a critical time where there is no evidence that the voters want the race to remain where it is right now, which is basically a substance free, who said what about whom and what are the insults . I have faith in voters. They usually bring the conversation back to real issues and if i were donald trump, i would debate and really have a conversation on the issues against Hillary Clinton. Also, mr. Trump will do i think that he also needs to sure up some of these working class voters who have been with him all along and will continue to be as Bernie Sanders continues to move away from challenging Hillary Clinton. Stan, if trump improves with independents, republican women and working class voters, does that bring this race back to perpe perty . The country is in a different place. The advantage, the democrat haves a 14point higher favorability. The party is being defined by trump and the primary and also, these voters have been watching trump for a long time. Look during the primaries, general election voters as people admired what was happening with trump among primary voters, he was going up to 60 negatives among general election voters during the primary process watching it very closely. They were watching it very closely. You know, that they were so they hes dealing with that and his main problem is women. Right now if you look at the abc poll, his unfavorable with women is, you know, over 70 . 67 . Very unfavorable. You cant win the working class. When the majority of the White Working Class are women. So he has this core problem that just cant be solved by picking out particular groups. Sure, we can have the same debate about Hillary Clinton and run the same segment and focus on Hillary Clinton and the polls and her negative poll ratings. She has i was struck by the bloomberg poll. I looked at the over 70 of voters there you surveyed that said each of the following bothered them. Hillary clintons fbi investigation. The handling of the server and her making millions of dollars from wall street speeches. Thats over 70 . Most americans dont say tie, favorable or unfavorable person. They speak like you know what really bothers me . Shes a tool of wall street. I think these attributes test shes untested and unlikable and should not be dismissed because people want to move the race on a referendum where it should be the referendum on donald trump. Hes the challenge. Referendum on them both. We got stan, thank you. Well have you back again on the show. We got to go to break good to see you, stan. They made the great pivot to attacking Hillary Clinton and thats what we always have to get into when shes on the show. Thank you kelly ann. More from the interview with trump junior and you can listen at 99. 1 bloomberg. Food alone. Add one a day mens gummies. Complete with key Nutrients Plus b vitamins to help convert food into fuel. One a day. Who dont have access thto basic banking,on people but that is changing. At temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. Evywhere where theres a phone, you have a bank. And employ somebody for the first time. 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Now for something completely similar, part two with donald trump junior, the delegates trying to stage a revolt at the convention in cleveland next month. As you know, a lot of talk with your father talked about over the weekend with the delegates being able to vote their conscience. Is that something you would oppose . Listen, its crazy. You go through the process and listen to the people and go to the votes. Weve spoken about this on your show where you can go to pennsylvania and win every single gop voter but get 17 of the 72. Its a little ridiculous. I think politicians if they know what is good for them, they have to vote when the people want. There is reason for mass turnouts and a reason its a movement not a campaign anymore. People are sick of that nonsense and if they try to do Something Like that, its the perfect example of do as i say, not as i do. On a specific question of should they be allowed to vote their conscience rather than be bound by the vote, you would oppose that change. They have to go to what people said. People have spoken loud and clear in the states. 37 states against a recordsized crowd of people who have done this for years and years. I mean, that should say something. Not about their conscience but the conscience of their people and their people are for us. As paul ryan said over the weekend, they should be able to vote their conscience. I wont tell them to make the change. Paul ryan can say what he wants. Again, more when i see the d. C. People doing it, it upsets me and everyone else i speak to about d. C. Whether thats other guys in similar positions to me or blue color guys wokocollar gd for a living. Things people are sick of is politicians today that have a job to do, running for election in 2020 or 2024. Thats what they are sick of. Thats what is happening with a lot of guys. Lets talk about a reality. Your father sewed up his nomination sooner than Hillary Clinton did. Yes. In that period hes got from even or a little ahead to pretty much behind in some polls. We had him down 12 to her today, down seven. What caused him to move from an even position to a little behind recognizing there is still a lot of time left. Listen, you got obama giving speeches about him and hillary giving speeches about him and biden giving speeches about him and the left doing the unified attack front but i think in the end that message will die away when you get into the corruption and nonsense and abuse and when people start covering it, you know, i think that goes away. I think there is going to be flows in everything. For us being firsttime politicians, would i love it to go smoother . Sure. Everyone has under estimated us and well do it again. Youre behind but you say youll come back. I dont think were 12 points behind. Were neutral in a lot of places in places that matter. There will be states where we wont win and those are heavily populace states. Swing states the gap is closer from what ive seen and read and i think well change that and i think well have a unified message and well work well with the gop which weve been doing in creating that relationship. I think that is part of this process of transitioning towards the general. Again, youre not 12 behind but do think you fall behind listen, i see polls, right . I saw polls for months, mark. I saw polls since july of last year that said this exactly is zero percent chance he could win the nomination. So i dont give a lot of credence to the polls especially this early. I think a lot will happen and i think well do a phenomenal job. The message is about the American People and jobs and getting rid of the nonsense that prevails over washington and a reason 14 Million People voted for him and a reason bernie put an unprecedented against the appoinointed show. Up mi ultimately, people are sick of the d. C. Narrative and from 2007 to 2014 made 140 something Million Dollars while running the state department. Our government isnt their hedge fund. Its not their slush fund to pad pockets with where nobody knows where the money goes or mission statement. Its a disgusting fraud and if a republican did what she did, they would be in jail but now but again. I want you to just look towards the camera and address two people, two types of people. First, what would your message be to republicans trying to change the rules to make the convention more open and not just a coronation of your fathers victory . Well, i think republicans are trying to change the rules need to listen to their people. Were in this place. Its both republican and democrat. People arent happy with government. People arent happy with what is going on in d. C. I think maybe you should listen to the people for a change. Maybe thats the thing missing in this country. Maybe thats the thing missing in politics as opposed to your notion of hey, i dont prescribe to all 10,999 points of conservative dog minds and im 10,998, i dont think thats the average america or voter or general election voter. I think we should start listening to the people for a change and put someone in there not known for doing the same ol, same ol. What would your message be to the folks across the river or brooklyn of late have been confident about their chances in a general election . Im glad they are confident. Love to be underestimated. There is something nice about that. Weve been under estimated in every way, shape and form. They have a team of 875 people to our 70 and guess what . Were doing pretty good. Their waste, fraud and abuse is clintons waste, fraud and abuse over the decades. They wont become a streamline machine or run this country differently. Obamas own words. Shell tell you everything and nothing will change. Thats not going to change. Miraculously now its a different hillary than weve seen in the last 25 years or a different clinton organization. Give me a break. The same thing over and over again. People will finally realize it. Your dad is going to win . Yes. Well talk about the voters, people for you and concerned are really for stopping Hillary Clinton, the Trump Campaign is stronger now than it was before the change because why . Because were getting to the general election. Were getting to where people and independents and other people who are, you know, totally against washington, that are totally against the establishment on both sides can finally actually chime in and weigh in for a person who is exactly that, who is against the establishment who hasnt done this for a living and hasnt milked the government for decades to personally enrich himself. You have someone whose created jobs, brought jobs, fixed jobs. You know, both whether it be building or resorts or all these things. Hes the only guy thats signed the front of a paycheck here. Everyone else talk about job creation like at the they know what its done. Its all theory. Let him be in charge. Let him do it. Everyone can agree you wont get anything different. The other side said youre not going to get anything different. New bach of the same old, same old. Were not the same old, same old. Hell continue to make mistakes but overall i dont think hell continue to make mistakes. Hes going to be himself, trump and that generally has boded well for him throughout his entire life. Our thanks to donald junior, donald trump junior. Bender opens his notebook on the campaign drama right after this. war drums beating fight heartburn fast. With tums chewy delights. The mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. Tum tum tum tum. Chewy lights. Onlyrom tums. 80 try to eat healthy, yet up to 90 fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. Lets do more. 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The democrat leadership has taken their eyes off the ball and is trying to turn this tragedy into another debate about guns. No one wants terrorists to be able to buy guns or explosives. No one. Republicans need to put the life in americans ahead of the nra. We believe we should stop playing political football with something so important. We should have done it after sandy hook. We should have done it after santa barbara, aurora but we didnt so lets do it now. And nbcs luke is live on capitol hill. Democrats and republicans on background checks and terror watch list. Looks like this was party line theater. Reporter it was a few interesting defections, steve, if we go through these a bit that grassly vote that a lot of gun control advocates said was a watered down version of a Mental Health bill for more money to go to the instant background checks this picked up two gop noes. Corey gardener in aurora and senator kirk of illinois and joe donnelly yes of indiana. You go through the next one. The murphy amendment and closed the gun show loophole and stronger background checks that went down, as well. The only republican supporting kirk, interesting three democrats went against murphy. Mansion, tester and hide camp from progun states one could say. Then the amendment which a lot of folks would get support. This is the republican bill that would bar those on the terrorist watch list to be able to purchase weapons lost republican votes. Susan collins, mark kirk and jeff flake and it picked up joe donnelly and joe mansion. A lot of people thought that number would be higher than the last time around after San Bernardino considering it was the republican proposal to get those on the watch list from getting weapons and the last one, the feinstein bill was 4753. Heidi democrat from the red state of north dakota voted against it. You saw a lot of jockeying and political theater. In terms of what is any tangible legislation that can come out of this, steve, excuse me, there is talk from senator collins of maine about joining up with likemined senators, both republicans and democrats, moderates if you will about doing something to bridge the divide regarding the no fly, no buy. The proposal which would say look, if youre on that list well flag you doj has 72 hours to prove that you are indeed a threat have judicial review and couple with feinstein, the bill would say hey look if youre on that bill down on the list we have the right to take you off and deny that sale and purchase of a weapon. A lot of people thought there could be some sort of meshing of those two bills because the idea behind them is the same if youre on the terrorist watch list, you shouldnt get a weapon. There should be a way to look for that. Unf unfortuna unfortunately, they have not been able to find common ground. Diane feinstein about working towards that doesnt look like its going anywhere. The scoop on how the votes just went down. If you stand by for a second, ill be joined on the phone by a survivor of the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech now. A senior policy advocate for every town for gun safety. You just heard luke there saying that this issue of the terror loophole, the socalled terror loophole. You had two propels here, democratic proposal and republic in the end were aimed at doing the exact same thing. How frustrating there couldnt be a compromise there . Yeah, incredibly frustrating. We got to thank the folks that voted for Public Safety and National Security but clearly too many elected officials support doing nothing and support the nra position of these and not Public Safety and its just something that the public needs to be aware of. That will be our Education Campaign from now on and hold people accountable in november. Thats the next step here. I guess the twist on this one is again as luke was saying, both sides, democrats and republicans do say and did have plans that would close this supposed loophole and say look, if youre on the terror watch list, you shouldnt be getting a gun. Do you see any room for compromise coming out of this . I mean, perhaps. Like luke said, there is potentially more ideas to be floated in the future. You know, we understand bipartisan support has to come together here to change good policy. We hope what is able to come at the end of it is something that is workable, doable and the vast majority of people can get behind. The fact that we have votes, however, so soon after shootings shows doing nothing is no longer a position that people can hold. They have to do something. Its unfortunate this is how it went down. It shows that, you know, the American People are outraged and wants something to be done and Still Congress is just not quite there. And so we have to hold them accountable in november. All right. Colin, luke, thanks for joining us. That will wrap it up for this hour of coverage on nbc. Dont go anywhere. Hardball starts right now. Lewandowski, youre fired. Lets play hardball. Good evening, everyone. Im joy reid in tonight for chris matthews. With four weeks to go until the republican convention, theres been a big shakeup in the mp