Transcripts For MSNBCW Weekends With Alex Witt 20200620 : co

Transcripts For MSNBCW Weekends With Alex Witt 20200620

News to share. A federal judge has just denied the Trump Administrations request to block a tellall book by former National Security adviser john bolton. Nbcs Josh Lederman is at the white house with all of this. What can you tell us about all of this . Reporter President Trump on twitter is calling this a Big Court Win for himself, noting that the judge really excorciated john bolton for publishing this book and arguing theres nothing the judge could have really done to actually block the book from coming out. Trump is right that the judge went sharply after john bolton in this tenpage order that we have been reviewing, saying that he actually the judge actually met with the government and reviewed classified documents that they had provided and concurred that there probably is classified information that john bolton has disclosed as a result of publishing this book. But make no mistake about it, this was not a win for the trump white house. The Trump Administration had asked the judge to issue an injunction, to block the release of that book, but the judge in this tenpage order arguing that the horse is out of the bannerns he put it, hundreds of thousands of copies distributed, many, including us at msnbc, have gotten a copy of it, and arguing that an injunction would do nothing to keep this information from coming out. Hard to see how the administration is seeing this as a win. That book set to come out tuesday. That showdown right now between the doj and the u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york, who had investigated some of the president s closest allies. What is this all about, josh . Reporter yes. U. S. Attorney berman in new york refusing to step aside after the attorney general had announced that he had stepped down, but berman saying that is not true, that he learned about it from a press release and saying he is not planning to go anywhere. That is creating a real standoff between the Justice Department and the federal Prosecutors Office in new york. We dont exactly know yet what this is about or what was so urgent for the Trump Administration to want Jeffrey Berman out of the way that they would try to get rid of him on a friday night, against his wishes without a Senate Confirmed replacement waiting in the wings, but we do know that Jeffrey Bermans office had been investigating a whole lot of things with relation to President Trump and his allies. There was a subpoena issued on the Trump Inaugural Campaign related to potential violations of Campaign Finance and other law as well as investigations into the president s personal attorney, rudy juligiuliani. A lot of questions that lawmakers and others have about why the Trump Administration wanted Geoffrey Berman gone and whether they even have the authority to get rid of him in this manner. The bottom line, josh, at least for now, Geoffrey Berman has a job, right . Reporter thats right. There are some questions about whether the Justice Department could try to move to cut off some of his access to documents or his computer systems, but for now, he is remaining in control of that u. S. Federal Prosecutors Office in new york. Okay. Nbcs Josh Lederman at the white house. Thank you, josh, for answering the breaking news on both fronts. The president s first 2020 Campaign Rally, the first in tulsa, oklahoma. Hundreds gathering outside the arena where the president is set to speak a few hours from now. The rally marred by controversy over its location, timing and safety precautions amid the covid pandemic. Morgan chessky is already there for us. Morgan, as you have reported this week, people are camped out. Its happened for days now. Youve been there as well, talking to folks. Were about eight hours away from the start of the rally. Whats the mood like . Reporter i think theres only one word you can say, alex. That is that excitement. People have come from all over the nation right here to tulsa, oklahoma. Theyre waiting to get inside this gated area where the bags are checked. Then theyll start another waiting process. That will be gathering outside that arena today where President Trump will take the stage. Thats just one of many events scheduled today. We know that as people make their way through these gates right here, they are handed one of those masks that weve been talking about this week. Important to note, while the masks are handed out, theyre not required to wear for people here at the rally, alex. But once they get closer to the arena, theres really a whole days worth of activities planned. Theyre flying in about 15 highprofile supporters, celebrities, entertainers. Theres an outdoor stage thats set up across the street from that arena. President trump also expected to make some remarks there, and we know that some of his family also expected to attend today. This rally, meanwhile, is going to be about 19,000 strong. The campaign tells me theyre anticipating about 100,000 people, alex. Thousands have arrived here in tulsa ahead of this rally but well have to wait for a full head count right now. Several blocks of downtown are blocked off just out of security for security sake right now. It is a bit of a hike. You can see, this is how theyre breaking up the crowds, walking through these barriers. Theyre doing their best to social distance, alex. When you have this many people in this confined of an area, its tough. Social distancing and mask wear, two of the big topics that happened this week. The campaign telling me, we just want people to choose. We entrust americans to make the right choice for themselves. If they are at risk were asking them to stay at home. We had a chaps to speak to several people in the crowd. I want you to hear what theyre saying about this event in their own words. Take a listen. Theyre going to do temperature checks and all this. I think its pretty safe, because weve been open in oklahoma for a little while. Oh, im not wearing a mask. I havent yet. Im not going to start today. I think a lot of the numbers and everything have been hyped up. Im in good health. I get a lot of sunshine, eat well. Its more about your immune system, i think. Reporter so, youre hearing from them. Everyone aware that the virus still certainly exists. Oklahoma, tulsa in particular, being a recent hot spot, breaking daily highs over the past week. However, even with the awareness of that pandemic, alex, its not keeping anyone from showing up today. What was interesting is those people with whom you spoke, a lot of eye is in there, not a of us or we in their speaking about covid. Something to note. Joining me now, derek johnson, president of the naacp. Look, were seeing longstanding monuments theyve been coming down this week. Contrast that with the president going ahead with his Campaign Rally in tulsa less than 24 hours after juneteenth. Theres a lot to unpack here. First, lets talk about the tulsa rally. Why do you think trump chose tulsa . Is this a certain moment or is it an insult to hold the rally there today . You know, this administration, particularly trumps campaign, they continue to play to their base. Its a shrinking number of individuals. Oklahoma is a reliable, red state. He wanted to go somewhere safe so he could practice his speech. Its unfortunate that many of the crowd have rejected not only science, but the Current Health pandemic that we are in. So as citizens, we must continue to push the right narrative, that we are in a Health Crisis and we should take the necessary precautions, even if there is a shrinking number of individuals who reject science and reject the fact that this pandemic can have a deathly impact on their lives. Since the greenwood massacre some 90 years ago, africanamericans have been fighting for the stolen land to be returned to their community. Nearly a century later, city and state officials have not made that happen. Whats the point of the president showing up there, at all, if he has no plans to announce some sort of reparations, or do you think, do you expect he will . I doubt he would mention anything like that. This is almost like reagan showing up in 1980, despite whats taking place in the streets, im with you, the image he sees in a mirror. Dog whistle politics, National Trend of individuals across the globe. You look at protesters you see america, young, old, black, white, people who are concerned not only about our democracy, but making sure we address the Structural Racism that has plagued this nation for decades. Look, derrick, when it comes to symbolism, wasnt there anyplace else that the president could have gone, in your words, to practice his speech in a safe place . Did it have to be tulsa . It should not have been tulsa. Its also the lack of advisers who voupd him that kol from the africanamerican community. This presidency, perhaps, is the most monolith presidency weve seen since the 50s or perhaps even woodrow wilson. He surrounds himself by people who think like him, act like m him, look like him. Therefore, unless theres a backlash. Then if the backlash rally of his base, then he will go deeper in the wrong direction. This democracy cannot survive another four years of this level of others. The Vice President is scheduled to meet with some africanamerican leaders from tulsa today. Just yesterday, pence was asked why some republicans, including pence himself, have trouble saying the words black lives matter. Here is some that have exchange. Take a listen. I wonder, sir, if those are words that you will utter, right here, right here today, black lives matter. Can you say those words . Well, brian, let me just say that what happened to george floyd was a tragedy, and in this nation, especially on juneteenth, we celebrate the fact that from the founding of this nation, we cherish the ideal that all, all of us are created equal. So why will you not say those words . Well, i dont accept the fact, brian, that theres a segment of American Society that disagrees in the preciousness and importance of every human life. Do you buy that, derrick . I simply dont buy that. You see his words reflected in their policy and executive orders. They dont understand the importance of declaring a fact that the lives of black matter black lives matter. The only reason why weve gotten to this place is because of the rash of individual acts, whether it was of vigilantes with Trayvon Martin or Law Enforcement who simply disregard the life of blacks. Whether jury nullifications of convicting those involved, z zimmerman, or refusal of District Attorney to step up and value a black life as weve seen with the Ahmaud Arbery case and the Breonna Taylor case, with those officers have not been to justice. Were looking live at whats happening in tulsa right now. You see increasing tension, shall we describe it . Two officers have come into that picture. There you see somebody who is protesting black lives matter, saying i cant breathe on behalf of black lives matter, sitting down, very quietly there in the middle of the street. Although shes clearly being asked some questions. The man in gray, if i read his card, lanyard thing correctly says hes part of a trump rally. It looks like this woman is beginning to pray. You have two Police Officers who are circling quite closely. Certainly not keeping sixfoot distance in these covid times, thats for sure. Lets listen to some of the exchange. I have a right to be here. I dont know if you have a right to be here. Its a public event. I have a ticket. Its a private event. They can ask whoever they like to leave. Are you going to yes. This woman, derrick, is saying shes got a right to be there. Which, of course, she does. And clearly this has caught the attention of the news media. You can see that she has placed herself right in front of the area through which anybody attending this trump rally tonight has to walk to get their face masks, Hand Sanitizers. We havent seen evidence of temperatures being taken yet. Perhaps that happens closer to rally time and closer to the arena itself. It would look as if that Police Officer is calling a superior, call be somebody to say this is the situation. Take a listen. This is my country. This is my country. This is my city. I have tickets for this event. I have clothes on. Im protected. Whats the problem . Its a private event. I have tickets to your private event. This is our area. Its part of my event. When we ask you to leave, its like somebody to leave their own personal, private property. Ive been invited and have a ticket. My job of the campaign is to officially uninvite you. Youre watching this along with me, derrick. She said she has tickets to this event so she has every right to be there. She would have a right to be there regardless to whether or not she had tickets. What do you see when you see someone like this, boldly standing up to authority there and say im trying to sit here, make a statement with my tshirt and say to folks, you cannot remove me . You know, i hope congressman john lewis is watching this. This is called getting in good trouble. Martin luther king, mother theresa and gandhi and so many others using the power of their agency to have peaceful protests in the midst of unjust situation. As you see her, she is an admitted guest of the event. She is peacefully sitting and praying. Shes properly clothed with a mask on. One of the Law Enforcement officers, he doesnt even have a mask on. I hope congressman lewis is watching this. This is consistent with getting in good trouble. She is getting in good trouble. What were seeing now is the campaign not wanting to have a counternarrative, a counter image that addresses the unju unjustness across this country. As she sits there and says i cannot breathe, thats what africanamericans have been saying for decades. We cannot breathe under a structural situation thats oppressive and refuse us to exist in a just society that provides equal protection under the law. I commend her. You look at this Trump Campaign worker, derrick, specifically trying to place himself between her and some sort of news or media crew that are trying to get her opinion. He went right there to try to block their ability to get her otherwise on camera or appropriately with a microphone. You know, Something Like this, derrick, good trouble, yes. Abiding by all the rules, yes. But do you worry that this could potentially not end well for her, for this demonstrator . Well, unfortunately, i do. You have individuals who align themselves with a perspective. They say they want freedom of speech. They say they want freedom of expression. Shes demonstrating that, but they would deny her because the speech that shes speaking, they disagree with. She is in her right. Its a private event but she has done everything necessary to be an invited guest. She has tickets. Shes there. Theres nothing wrong with her sitting there, the way shes sitting there. Shes not disturbing anyone. They may dislike her shirt and not want her to be interviewed but if those individuals say they value the First Amendment and second amendment, shes practicing her First Amendment right, which is a supreme amendment in this country, the freedom of speech. Just watching that tulsa Police Officer approaching her, certainly within the sixfeet distance but appropriately masking himself while speaking with her, we have to note that is something that is positive. Lets listen to what hes saying. Ive been told by my command that if you do not peacefully leave well have to arrest you. I dont want to have to do that. Im staying here. Okay. Derrick, he has just said she will be arrested for trespassing, that they have the right to do so. He did very politely say i dont want to have to do that. She said im not moving. Does this still fall, in your mind, under the as yuspices of d trouble . Absolutely. She is a ticketed guest to the event. Shes not trespassing. She complied with the requirement. She received a ticket. She entered with her ticket and shes sitting there. Shes not disturbing anyone. Shes sitting there, and they approached her. Good trouble. Morgan chessky has joined us. Thank you for joining us. I think i see the back of you there. Morgan, whats going on . What are you able to hear that we may not have been able to pick up so clearly . Morgan chesky, can you hear me . Hmm. I guess hes not able to hear me. Although i thought i saw the back of morgans head taking a photo there. Lets take a listen, guys. Ive asked you to leave. Were going to put handcuffs on you and pick you up gently. I dont want to hurt you at all. Last thing i want to do is hurt you. Okay . No. Yeah, im here. Hey, morgan, i understand youre now hooked up with us. Tell me what just transpired. Has he said he will have to put cuffs on her . What did we just miss there . I was trying to strain as i listened. Yeah, alex. If you can hear me right now, we are just a few feet away from this. And a Police Officer has told this woman if she wont comply theyll remove her for trespassing. Thats what theyre doing right now. She said theyre removing her from this scene, and were right behind tuls Camera Police here. Well keep moving

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