Rudy giuliani. Why the president did not stop to talk to reporters. What americans think . And blackout clues to the redacti redactions and if it could change what we know. Developing this hour, don mcgahn is defending the findings of the special counsel. He is a central figure in the investigation on whether the president obstructed justice. Telling investigators the president directed him to have the special counsel fired, but mcgahn did not follow through. It is a mystery why the president s attorney Rudy Giuliani feels the need to relitigate incidents and it was concluded it was not obstruction, but accurately described in the report. Don pressurappreciates the pres gave him the opportunity to serve. Here is what mcgahn is reacting to. If it is true, it is not. Those are not like real orders. Ill tell you, when he wants to fire somebody, ask james comey. Yes, he got angry. He y yes, he got upset. These messages were never delivered. He did not mean them to be delivered. After the Mueller Report, democratic senator Elizabeth Warren is now the first president ial candidate to call on the house to start impeachment proceedings. This is about a point of principle. I get it. There are people who think politically no it will be too hard to do this. This is not about politics. This isnt evenly specifically about donald trump himself. It is what the president of the United States should be able to do and what the role of congress is. No one is above the law. That includes the president of the United States. Aides for nancy pelosi who has warned against pursuing impeachment replied back saying one step at a time and they are unredacted Mueller Report. The first poll after the Mueller Report. The president s approval dropping by 3 percentage points. Standing at 37 . There are a number of angles to explore. We will do with the panel of journalists and experts. Welcome to you all. Lets go to the white house. Mike, good saturday morning. What is the latest from there . What is the tone of things . Reporter the president and allies in congress are alternating between total exoneration and vindication in the wake of the Mueller Report and calling it a crazy report and the president once again criticizing bob mueller and the prosecutors working for him as angry democrats. It is the back and forth here. Democrats certainly not looking at exoneration or vindication. Jerry nadler, the manhattan democrat who leads the committee in the house of ref and that wi not condemn the top leadership who will look eyes only at the un investigations will continue in the house of representatives led by democrats not with standing everything going on and Many Democrats believe bill barr put a thumb on the summary. Hogan gidley had this response to many of the allegations. When does this ever stop . If we gave them the unredacted report and all of the returns, he would still want something else. We will not deal with jerry nadler in that manner. We cooperated so much with the house democrats. We will continue to do so. This is just more political grandstanding. Reporter if it is political grandstanding or not, it will continue the investigation into the committee and House Oversight committee. Bob mueller willefore the congress. Bill barr said he will not stand in the way. We can expect democrats to announce a date shortly. Alex. I dont know, if they were to release the tax returns and full unredacted report. I dont know what else there would be. Thank you, michael. Joining me now is shannon petty and Kevin Cirilli and jeff mason. Hey, guys and gal. Shannon, my first question was going to be how the white house has absorbed the report. The headline of your article summing it up well. That being trumps postmueller euphoria. At what point did that turn . When he turned on cable news. He was in a good mood. People around him said on thursday that you teased this moment where he went out to departure at marine i. A mob of reporters. Everyone expected him to answer questions. Many believed it would be the press conference where he would put a spin on it. He walked past. That was recommended by him when the first lady told him to show defiance and confidence n thursday. Of course, as we quickly saw with the tweets and those around him, that grew to irritation as he saw the coverage here. His advisers have been trying to explain to him that this is a story that will fade and will be a short news cycle. By monday everyone will talk about something else. I dont know that is the case. As long as democrats are bringing this up, the president , he is a ck. They will spin the narrative. He will continue being on the defensive here. Indeed. I think that is the expectation for sure. Jeff, don mcgahns statement that his lawyer put out last night. Something must have triggered him and compelled him to do it. Do you know why he spoke out . I dont know. There is a report that suggested he was irritated by what you played with Rudy Giulianis there are players who are included in that report and don mcgahn is a key one. The irony of don mcgahns role is interesting. He was an important player in the white house. He has helped to get a lot of the president s policies through in the courts. The reports shows in some ways, he saved President Trump from himself by not carrying out the orders that President Trump gave him with regard to firing mueller. It is rich to hear Rudy Giulianis defense saying look, the president never intended for the actions to be carried out. The president followedthat is a defense from giuliani and though mcgahn did not directly respond to that. His people were upset what giuliani was saying. Kevin, your read on mcgahn . Is that who the president s tweet is referencing by saying statements made about me by certainly people are fabricated . Probablycgahn. Who else . The sub tweet of all sub tweets. I agree with jeff of where the president s frustration is lying with don mcgahn. The question for the Administration Officials will have to come out of reading this. In particular the president s mood as shannon and bloomberg reported. Will he turn against those folks in the report who were going against him to the Mueller Investigation . Now the white house has said no, of course, but behindthescenes, that could be painted a different picture. In the coming weeks ahead, the next data points on the story line where bob mueller testifies before congress and republicans have called on the special counsel to do. With senator warrens cries for impeachment, that puts a new type of shadow over this entire conversation that is being had. It also places a lot of pressure on Speaker Nancy Pelosi because senator warren is the first, but she is not going to be the last. Shannon, im curious. What is the sense inside the white house right now among aides to the president and throughout the White House Administration . Is there a sense of dread . Because the president to your point in the article and on twitter and the like, he is angry. So they have to work through all this. What are they saying about that . I would, of course, say it is mixed. The initial euphoria seems to have been zapped. Yesterday and yesterday afternoon when the political implications of this settled in. We have the legal implications. At least the immediate legal implications of no indictment or charges against his family. When the staff stepped back and got to see the obstruction issue with the avior and what they are concerned about i like what the president is doing with the economy, but not his demean demeanor. There is a concern this pulse will calcify of the chaotic white house and brash unethical president. That is the impression voters are left with. I think the big hope is the democrats overplay their hands here. They are hoping the democrats go a little too far and back sdfirn them the way with the republicans and bill clinton. The democrats could pursue this and it could mean months of hearings and further investigations and stories of the president s behavior in the office continuing to be rehashed. That is a risk. Jeff, i want to talk about the postMueller Report. The approval is down 3 there. Concern in the white house that this report will linger and cast a shadow or is there a sense of hey, it is over. We will deal with this now and it may not affect polling in the future. Particularly closer to november of 2020. I think shannon is right. I think it is mixed. I was outside both for the point where we thought the president would speak to us and a couple hours before when Kellyanne Conway was speaking to reporters. She declared it the best day for President Trump since his election. There certainly was initial euphoria that shannon was referring to and they feel the same way. This is something that the president can go out and say i was fully exonerated and no collusion and no obstruction. Despite the details in the report raise a great deal of questions. His base will not look at the details. Democrats certainly will. Swing voters may. I think thats what they have to be careful about. That sliver of voters that is in the middle that he needs and certain swing states. So some of which he won and some which he did not. Guys, i want to ask about Sarah Sanders and the admission of lying about all of this. Take a listen to what she said. What led you in the white house to believe that he had lost confidence of the rankandfile of the fbi and acting director says it is opposite. I can speak to my personal experience. I heard from countless members of the fbi that are grateful and thankful for the president s decision. I certainly heard from a large number of individuals and thats just myself. I dont know that many people in the fbi. To followup on the fbi thing. Im not trying to be overly combative here. You said now today and you said again yesterday that you personally have talked to countless fbi officials and employees since this happened. Correct. Really . So are we talking . Email and text message. Absolutely. 50 . Yes. Shannon, what does this mean . Does any trust remain . I dont really know where we go from here. I can say two things inside the white house. One from this report we know the president encourages his aides to lie and has no problem with that himself. I dont think this is a concern of the president s. We have seen instances where he asked don mcgahn publicly lie about a story. Two, i know that Sarah Sanders is a close adviser to the president. She is one of the longest serving advisers in the white house. He has a lot of confidence in her. She is very close to the inner circle as well. Im curious, jeff, is she any different when you interact with her oneonone as opposed to the public persona . Ill take a page out of the house playbook. I hate to talk about oneonone interactions with sarah. She works hard with the press. The thing watching that clip that jump out at me is how hard the questions wm the reporter. The press corps did that itself the truthfulness of what she said. Particularly approaching it delicately by saying i dont want to appear combative. You know you are going at her with a combative question, but be careful how you word it. It is our job in chthat case kevin. It is far from over. The questions will continue for all involved, i agree with shannon. Sarah has ase relationship with President Trump. That will continue. Beyond this, Everyone Needs to take a step back and lets not forget that russia used a Propaganda Machine to impact social media platforms and use Cryptocurrency Services to infiltrate democratic services. That is the issue over the past 24 hours. There is a rare opportunity con mechanisms that bolster security ahead of the 2020 election. Shannon, jeff, kevin. Legal and lift Danny Cevellos and ashley. Good morning. Ashley, we know there was not an obstr against the president from the office of the special counsel. Muellers account is damning. Is it an attempt to commit a crime a crime . What is muellers conclusion . Yes. It is. Mueller would never indict a sitting president. This report makes it clear he was not going to do that. He laid it out for congress so that they can take it the next step and take it to impeachment. He laid it out so trump could face indictment later on when he leaves the presidency. What is important for you to understand is it started with comey. It continued. It continued with the president trying to influence people and trying to get people to lie for him. Trying to get different advisers to fire special counsel and actually obstruct special counsel by doing that. They didnt do that. A lot of the people would not and they resisted that. So his efforts were actually stopped so the obstruction wasnt necessarily completed because he wasnt successful in doing it. That doesnt mean he didnt try. It is an attempt or an attempted obstruction where he tried. The evidence is there if Congress Wants to stay it to the next step and the evidence is there if they want to impeach him. There are quote avalanche of facts against the president according to the Mueller Report. Danny, is there an obstruction statute that could still be applied torailing in the attempt, but thats as a result of those around him who kept him from doing harm to himself. There are many statutes that could apply. Mueller reached a binary conclusion that you cannot charge a sitting president. All mueller is doing is amassing facts and data and letting some unknown person or legislative body in the future make the decision. When you talk about attempt, attempt is one of the most fascinating crimes in the system. Incomplete crime. Where we punch tish the intent. Not the action. The ultimate action is not complete. A common challenge is what is a substantial and step. If i trip on the way to the bank as i try to rob the bank with a ski mask and gun, i had intent. If you order a gun on amazon and then when does intent begin . We need the substantial step. What that step is my differ. If the prosecutor investigating concludes that there cannot be an underlying crime. 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With whom do you agree and why and if jerry nadler is right we need to wait, why not put the brakes on more to get more information . What we really need, alex, which is consistent with impeachment and consistent with nadler is, publicized televised hearings. Get all of these people in front of the American People and let us see what happened. Let us make a decision. I think everyone is trying to keep this inside washington, d. C. Were a grassroots organization. We believe in the American People learning the truth and making the decision. We are intent of getting publicized televised hearings so the