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anger and defiance from david ka cameron. it's showing the execution of a british aid worker. the third westerner beheaded in recent weeks by the islamic militant group. here's david cameron today. >> they are killing and slaughtering thousands of people. muslims, christians, minorities across iraq and syria. they boast of their brutality. they claim to do this in the name of islam that is nonsense. islam is a religion of peace. they are not muslims, they are monsters. >> we have reaction today from the white house and nbc's kristen welker. but first, let's head to london and get the latest there. cassandra with a welcome, what have you learned about this new isis propaganda video? and what is the reaction there in britain? >> the video is released last night showing the execution of david haines an aid worker taken in syria. and isis militants threatened the life of another uk hostage. it's been received here with disgust, people are sick, and also the uk is grieving the loss of an aid worker who was taken during the work that he loved. >> yeah, you can about imagine the kind of disgust going around the country there. let's listen to a bit more of what prime minister david cameron said today. there's that. >> british people need to know that this is a fanatical organization called isil that has not only murdered a british hostage, they have planned and continue to plan attacks across europe and in our country. >> is there anything specific, cassandra to that? any specific threats to the homeland there in britain? >> we're not being told about any specific threats to the uk. but last month, the british government raised the terror threat level to severe meaning an attack is highly likely. and as cameron told us today, he said this murder, this beheading of david haines only strengthens britain's resolve to destroy isis. >> we're getting word that the brother of david haines is going to make a statement fairly soon. are you hearing anything about those details? >> he is expected to make a statement shortly. already he's come out and said that his brother will be horribly, horribly missed. he praised his work in syria and other conflict zones around the world and said that's what gave his brother the most joy was working for people who needed help the most. >> all right. thank you for that. let's go to the white house now and nbc's kristen welker with more on this. kristen, with a good day to you, what's the president saying about this new isis video? >> well, making similarly strong statements to the ones you just heard from prime minister david cameron, president obama saying that the united states is outraged by this. let me read you a little bit of the statement he released. it says, quote, the united states stands shoulder to shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in grief and resolve. we will work with the united kingdom and a broad coalition of nations from the region and around the world to bring the perpetrators of this outrageous act to justice and to degrade and destroy this threat to the people of our countries, the region and the world. the question is, alex, what happens now? and how might this impact the united states efforts to build an international coalition? and how might this pressure prime minister david cameron and the people of the uk to get onboard with a more robust military response. and we know the united states has been launching air strikes in iraq. it seems as though syria is going to be next. this past week, the uk, not at least publicly being specific about how it might respond in terms of a military reaction. one top official there, though, saying they were not going to engage in air strikes against isis targets. and then, a spokesperson for prime minister david cameron said wait a minute, we have not ruled that out yet. so the question becomes, alex, will this latest gruesome act put pressure on prime minister david cameron to, perhaps, join the united states in terms of launching air strikes. we know that military action is very unpopular in the uk. but here in the united states where military action was very unpopular prior to the executions of those two americans, now polls show that 61% of americans support military action against isis. secretary of state john kerry also speaking out this morning, alex, after, of course, he was trying to build an international coalition among those arab nations. here's what he had to say. take a listen. >> we're not looking to put troops on the ground. there are some who have offered to do so. but we are not looking for that at this moment, anyway. the answer is, yes, there are some that have said that. there are some that are clearly prepared to take action in the air alongside the united states. and to do air strikes, if that's what they're called on to do. >> so, alex, the headline from that statement that you just heard from secretary of state john kerry is that he says he has gotten some assurances from some countries. although he's not naming the specific countries that they will be putting boots on the ground. that's significant because military officials say it is impossible to defeat isis through air strikes alone. >> absolutely. we are getting, at least, the number ten and in doing the research, you can look to history who has stood shoulder to shoulder to varying degrees. but you're right, no specifics yet. when we get them, i know we'll get them from you. >> thanks. >> joining me now with more is washington editor at large and an msnbc contributor. welcome. let's talk about this new video. it marks a new moment. you've got a british citizen now being beheaded by a man believed to be a fellow british citizen. you could hear the anger in prime minister cameron's voice. do you expect this to change the uk's involvement? >> well, i think it deepens the passion about the response that british citizens and really westerners in general feel about wanting to do something with regard to isis. this is a very emotional moment. but on the other side of this, i think it's important to remember that isis is taunting the west. isis is saying come into our zone. fight us because they're using these taunts as a way to try to legitimate themselves in the eyes of other muslims as being those that are fighting great britain, the united states. and so we have to look at both sides of the equation here. it's a horrible, horrible video. and my heart goes out to the family and friends of david haines. we have to ask ourselves, why is isis doing what it's doing? >> well, as you know, in all three execution videos, isis is saying their killing is in direct response of air strikes and the like. inside the decision making with the white house and the pentagon, is this influencing, effecting the thought process going forward? >> well, there's no doubt it's changed the political ground. exactly why this is deepening the resolve of many british folks to do something more robust, and i think they will. it has changed as you've shown in the polls in the united states, the way americans feel about taking military action again in the middle east. when we have this similar set of conditions with a lot of people dying as a result of chemical weapons and the possibility of u.s. action in syria, americans were not prepared to support the president. so these beheading videos have completely changed the on the ground realities in the united states and the white house sees that as giving itself more options to respond. >> well, and specifically from the political perspective, you've got the "washington post" with an article out today, looks at the uncertainty in the intelligence community about the actual danger isis poses to here, the u.s. homeland. it notes the president has said in his speech on wednesday, there have been no specific threats to the u.s. at this point. and yet, he has declared war on isis with a sense of urgency. talk about the change this is for this president. >> well, i think with regards to the potential threat to the united states, if this doesn't go responded to in some way, we've already seen quite a lot of attention to those people who have gone to sort of train with isis to engage themselves in syria and we've heard former cia analysts and others like bob bair report about the fact some of these people have come back to the united states have gone back to the uk. so we don't know what that represents. but, you know, to many, that looks scary, that looks like a lurking threat out there. and i think that's part of the question. it doesn't mean you want to sort of hyperventilate and overrespond and create problems doing that. but i think it would be naive to think there are other issues here. what i worry about is we now see john kerry out in the region trying to assemble a lot of support to basically help a u.s.-led mission against isis in the region when, in fact, people like myself have said we can't bring arab nations in on the lowest level of engagement, they need to be the maximum level, in fact, they need to be seen as leading and spitting on isis. showing there's no space in the sunni/islamic world for what isis is doing. and that seems to be the missing component, which i think is the most vital component. >> you make an excellent point there. there's also this, former cia counterterrorism expert, he was quoted in the article. and he said the u.s. air strikes turned isis' focus toward the west. do you think there's a chance that until the bombing campaign began, isis was more in the mold of the taliban. they were looking to establish a caliphate state. >> paul pillar is one of the best analysts, but i think at the end of the day, the precursors to isis were al qaeda and iraq and others we know well wants to define themselves and be defined in the spheres for which they're performing as being a global player. and the way to become legitimate in the eyes of angry sunnis in iraq and upset folks in syria and others is to be seen being challenged by great britain, by the united states, by france, by nato. and so i don't -- i don't quite buy the notion that it was a kind of indigenous force, fighting for something and had no interest in attacking the west. i think attacking the west was probably all, you know, along part of their game plan. >> okay. steve clemens, always a pleasure, thanks so much. come see us again. >> thank you. also in the news now, a north korean court sentencing an american tourist to six years of labor. convicted today of entering the country illegally to commit espionage. the california man reportedly tore up his visa and asked for asylum upon arriving in pyongyang. a man hunt is intensifying for the shooter or shooters who killed one state trooper and injured another. they believe the ambush was a targeted attack. the shooting happened friday night and we'll bring you a live report on that in the next half hour. a malaysian airlines flight had to turn back because of an autopilot defect. the airline stressed the defect did not have impact on the safety of the plane or its passengers. calling the move a precautionary measure. two major disasters this year. supporters of hillary clinton are calling it her iowa homecoming. the former secretary of state will join former president clinton in a couple of hours for the annual steak fry. it's one of the most highly anticipated traditions in the hawkeye state. at the steak fry for us in indianola, iowa, casey, it's good to see you. this event has been so popular with the democratic presidential hopeful. what are you expecting to hear from her? >> sure. well, officially she's here to celebrate tom harkin and his retirement. but unofficially, this is being treated as the kickoff, the early stage of a potential 2016 clinton candidacy. and she does have a lot to prove to these voters. although she's stepping into this state in a much different position. the question is going to be, what are we going to hear from her in her speech? is it going to be something where she takes on the political themes and issues of the day? or is she only going to give the attendees here sort of a cheering for senator harkin? and i think, you're hearing a lot of desire the people i've been talking to in iowa for her to come here and actually lay out what her political vision might be in a way that leads them to believe that she is taking this path down the road to a presidential campaign. there's over 5,000 people who have rsvp'd here today. and there's a sense she comes in in a very strong position. there are some people who mentioned to me they might be looking for an alternative, maybe somebody a little to the left, maybe a different face. the big difference, there is no barack obama waiting in the wings and she's operating from a position of strength. >> yeah. >> can we talk some specifics about the steak fry? does a steak actually get fried there in these 37 years it's been going? >> the steak does not actually get fried. it was called the steak fry by the woman who founded it originally, it was a small fundraiser for tom harkin when the local boy was running originally for congress. they called it a steak fry because other events were a fish fry. they do actually fry fish at fish fries, but here they're critic grilling thousands of pounds of steak. he says he's going to miss doing it quite a bit. >> okay. i also understand they do have veggie burgers available for those who choose that, too. >> and there's chicken available. >> it's appealing to everybody. thank you so much. the reaction to ray rice making his first public appearance since being suspended indefinitely from the nfl. paste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. 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>> huh? >> still, no comment for reporters. rice's former coach defended the suspended star. >> he made a very terrible mistake. but i know the character of the man, and he will rise from this. >> reporter: with the handling of domestic violence cases under fire, analysts say the nfl is particularly sensitive to the growing base of female fans. >> it's a more untapped market. and the reason is that if moms don't want their sons to play football, that's going to be a problem for continuing to grow in the sport. >> there's also a new tweet making the rounds on twitter. we'll put it up on the screen for you to get a look at it. this is an image of the make-up line. you can see it's photo shopped to look like the woman, the model has a black eye. a lot of scrutiny on roger goodell. unclear if he will be at any of the nfl stadiums today. joining me now is dana jacobson. and welcome to you. so, peter alexander report right there. we heard about the support from rice's high school coach. why are people looking at ray rice as a victim more in some cases than janay rice being the victim? is that the nature of a sports star? or is it specific to ray rice? >> i think that's some of it. i think people don't know how to embrace a victim of domestic violence. especially one that says, stay out of my life. you've destroyed my life and isn't fighting back against her abuser. and then, yes, in the case of ray rice, this is somebody that until this incident had been a role model in the league and had done so much for the league and his team and everybody looked to him in that new rochelle community at rutgers. this is a star, someone we can be proud of. so then this behavior that seemed so not ray rice. and i think people don't know how to respond without saying, well, we remember this other guy, we can't just put this one moment ahead of all of that. >> how about your listeners? what are they saying? >> it's a mix. and i have to tell you, i know we heard a lot of this after the thursday night game where there were women out there saying, i support him, this isn't fair. and i started looking back. we got some of those calls. stay out of it, this is their personal business. this is domestic violence and that's what it hides behind. it's not their personal business. and i looked back to warren moon, almost 20 years since he was acquitted of abuse against his now ex-wife. she didn't want to testify against him. and there was so much at that time said afterwards by jurors saying this is what happens between married couples. bruises, cuts, choking someone. how far have we come? almost 20 years and we're hearing some of that -- well, this is just what happens. we saw her get knocked, punched out, knocked to the floor. that's not what happened between married couples. >> no, i always question why domestic violence has to use the word domestic. it's just violence. but yesterday, i spoke with trevor price. he seemed adamant that commissioner goodell could not have seen that second tape before this past week. he says he's a very sensible guy. first of all, do you agree with that? and even if goodell didn't see it, do you think his job's going to be in jeopardy for the overall handling of this? >> well, i want to believe how could you see that second tape and come down with a two-game suspension. but how could you see the exterior of the tape. i don't know what happened at the nfl and i hope that the investigation is going to lead to maybe some answers because it seems very murky and unclear. if a tape got there, how was it that the commissioner never saw it. as for his job security, we have to remember, there is a huge difference between what we're saying in the public and public opinion, which can put pressure on a team like the carolina panthers. but when it comes to roger goodell, he's made billions for the league and it comes down to the 32 nfl owners, 24 would have to vote him out. and i think he has a lot of collateral with them and a lot of things have gone right under his watch. and it might not even be the best move. to take a man who at least right now is owning up to making some type of mistake. you're not going to get rid of this problem of domestic violence by saying get rid of the commissioner. this goes to the owners in the league and what they want. maybe with goodell there, punishment, suspension, give some of that $35 million bonus money to domestic violence and education. maybe then they can make inroads instead of saying, well, we got rid of the guy in charge so the problem is gone. that's not the problem. they have systemic issues, but it's only a part. >> that's a big-picture perspective there. let's fold in here the adrian peterson case. ray rice has already been through the judicial system. he's in a pre-trial intervention program. peterson could face far worse because his case is just starting. do you think this changes how the nfl might handle their cases going forward? >> well, they've already. in the ben roethlisberger case, it didn't need the judicial process system to play out. so there's already a precedent there that we don't have to have resolution from a court in order for punishment to be handed down. i think what will be interesting to watch for the vikings, they don't really have precedent here. if they're just learning, information is coming out and this likely wouldn't go to a trial until next year, do they keep deactivating him? and in that case, does the nfl players association get involved? he's getting a paycheck. but does he have a right to play? i honestly don't know that answer. i know the vikings were aware of what was going on when this happened back in may. and they've been following it. this was the first time, though, they heard the word criminal attached to it, obviously, in the complaint, and then with peterson going down to turn himself in yesterday. so they did the right thing by deactivating him. but going forward at some point, i don't know what that right answer is for them or for their fans. i guess you could say if you have this hanging over you, do you want him representing you on the field? 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>> reporter: well, i think isis is sending a message to the world. it's sending its message to its own potential recruits. it's sending a message to al qaeda that it wants to replace them. it's clearly sending a message to turkey, to the uk. and, i believe it's sending a message to turkey. turkey shares a long border with syria. just on the other side of the border are places where isis has headquarters. turkey traditionally has been the base of the moderate rebels, the free syrian army. and most importantly, in this case, there are more than 40 turkish hostages being held by isis. isis hasn't talked about them much. the turkish government doesn't talk about them. it's illegal for the turkish media to talk about them. and it is one of the reasons we've seen a great reluctance from turkey to get more involved. so isis is sending out this message to a lot of people. but the turks in particular are listening with great personal concern. they don't want to see their diplomats in the same orange jump suits that american journalists and british aid workers have been finding themselves in, unfortunately. >> how about the reaction to the video in iraq? what's that been like? >> well, here in iraq, the stories we've been hearing about encounters with isis have been, if anything, on the same level or more terrifying. we talked to refugees and here, unbelievable stories. i've been doing this for a long time. and you don't hear the kind of horrific things that you often hear when refugees escape from an area about women being enslaved, sold into marriage. we have forced conversions of christians on a large scale. and when they don't convert, they are being executed with christians being enslaved and used as labor for the isis fighters. just, humanitarian catastrophe by this brutal group that is holding hostage, but holding towns and cities in iraq and syria hostage, as well. >> all right, richard engel as always, thank you so much for weighing in on this. and joining me now with the view from capitol hill, adam schiff member of the intelligence committee. and with a welcome to you, sir. first of all, i want to get your reaction to this execution of david haines. a british aid worker who simply had gone to syria to help people. >> it's absolutely horrific. and all of us, our hearts go out to the family of this latest victim of isis brutality. here's a person who dedicated their life to trying to help people in distress. he was there to help refugees from the civil war and syria. and his reward is being beheaded by this monstrous group. i certainly think it's going to have an impact on britain which now sees some of its citizens in both the role of executioner and murder victim. and so terrifying event, just appalling and heartbreaking. and i'm sure what the brother has to say is just going to be awful to hear from a humanitarian point of view. >> absolutely. and we are monitoring and waiting for that statement. david haines was kidnapped along with his colleague. italy pays ransoms and right now he's home, safe, david haines is not. it begs the question, is it time to reconsider america and the uk's policy on paying ransoms? >> i don't think it is. i can't see us basically funding isis by paying ransoms. i think that only encourages further hostage taking. i'm sure if this was a member of my family, i would but saying quite the opposite. but i think as a national policy, we can't be paying these ransoms. and i join the president in discouraging other countries from doing it, too. it simply has earned them subsequent members of their country being kidnapped and, i just don't think we want to be in the business of helping to fund these groups and encourage further kidnap attempts. >> but in all honesty, is anything the u.s. doing going to free the remaining hostages? >> well, it's very hard. i think we took an enormous effort, and the president really put a lot on this -- on the line by trying to rescue the hostages earlier. i'm proud he did that even though that attempt was unsuccessful. that could've ended badly. we could've had a lot of our people killed in that fire fight in the heartland of isis. so that was, i think, quite a dramatic and risky thing we should've done. and it's heartbreaking it was unsuccessful and looks like it wasn't unsuccessful by many days they had been moved, unfortunately. but i don't know whether another attempt like that was possible. i would imagine isis is moving their hostages and wary of any further rescue attempt. i'm not sure there's much we can do in this situation. >> on friday, the white house's classification of the conflict was upgraded to a new level. let's take a listen to this. >> the united states is at war with isil in the same way. i think we are at war with al qaeda, and it's al qaeda affiliates all around the globe. >> we are at war with isil and al qaeda around the world. >> we know we are in war with isil in the same way we're at war with al qaeda and the affiliates. >> so those were the white house, state department and pentagon press secretaries making it quite clear the u.s. has declared war on isis. we did not hear declaration of war on congress even though you're the ones that can legal do it. does this need to go to a vote? >> absolutely. they are saying this is war. and only congress has the power to declare war. but then they add on that second phrase just in the same way we're at war with al qaeda. i think we're doing that because the lawyers are telling them, we're relying on this 2001 amf that lets us go after al qaeda. but that is a very slender legal argument to make. this is a different foe in a different country at a different time. and this is exactly the kind of question that congress needs to weigh in on with a vote to authorize the use of force. i hope we'll do it this week. although, i have to say my expectations are low. >> isn't that supposed to pertain to the perpetrators of 9/11 in. >> it is. it's supposed to be -- empower the president to go after al qaeda and those responsible for harboring those that attacked us on 9/11. and, of course, isis has been excommunicated from al qaeda. they were often fighting with the al qaeda franchise in syria. so it's a pretty weak argument in my view from a constitutional point of view. and this administration made clear the president lacked the unilateral authority to initiate military strikes unless there was an imminent threat. and the administration has said that at this point isis doesn't pose that imminent threat. so congress really needs to act. we don't need to be asked by the president to do so. and i intend to introduce a narrow authorization this week to give us a chance to do so. >> adam schiff, always a pleasure, thank you so much. >> thank you. office politics, my conversation with kady kay. >> we have gordon brown, i mean, even the name is kind of boring. are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats. outside and in. that's why hp reports and helps neutralize more intrusions than anyone... in the world. if hp security solutions can help keep the world's largest organizations safe, they can keep yours safe, too. make it matter. i am so noh my gosh...now, it's not even funny. driver 1 you ready? 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>> it is, alex. and looking for any sign of whoever might have deliberately targeted those troopers. >> reporter: for troopers, stopping car after car along this pennsylvania roadway, it's personal. two of their fellow officers gunned down in a brazen ambush friday night right at their police barracks. >> the one thing i can say, this is unbelievably heartbreaking to all of us. both of them were young troopers with families. >> corporal brian dixon was killed by the shoots, alex douglass was injured and rushed to surgery. he's been in critical but stable condition. police immediately fanned out into the dense woods nearby. several roads and a major highway were shut down. >> we saw a lot of state police, there were some ambulances. >> choppers scanned for any sign of a suspect or suspects. >> we're going to use every possible technique and piece of equipment we have until we have this person in custody. >> there are still few details of the attack. so police from neighboring states are now expanding the search all on high alert. as are those who live nearby. >> we're all sort of on pins and needles. >> i understand that many members of the community are concerned, and i wish i could lessen their concern. but we have a very dangerous, armed criminal. >> but in the rural northeast pennsylvania town, people are also united in their sympathy. at his restaurant, gregory is feeding troopers who have been working almost nonstop since friday. >> if we could do anything to help them, you know, this is what we do. it's a small town. so we're here to help any way we can. >> a community coming to grips with its loss, even as the search for a killer continues. >> our prayers go out to the officers, their family, the barracks and, you know, the whole local area. >> and alex, police won't say if this was a lone gunman. they're searching for a motive in the attack. >> all right, kristen. thank you for that update. the bbc's kady kay and the funny way in which american politicians have the edge over brits in parliament. but first, i asked her about the vote for scottish independence from great britain. >> if on the 18th of september, scotland votes for independence, that is a huge deal and hugely unexpected. if you had asked me six months ago if this referendum could possibly lead to scotland being an independent country, i'd said you came from planet mars. it was inconceivable. and yet, now we have for the first time polls showing that a majority of scotts would like independence. and i think, you know, it's really been a kind of heart versus head campaign. that need for kind of being an independent country, for being scotland, all the history that means, the antagonism is coming to head in this referendum against, is it good economically long-term? what does it mean for scotland's national security? what would it mean for social services? and what would it mean to be a small independent country? would it be part of the european union. would it be part of nato? all of those questions haven't been resolved during the course of this campaign. >> when president obama took office, it seemed like the rest of the world, especially europe was hungry for this kind of presidency for the image, what it all meant, particularly after the george w. bush years. where does this stand now? >> europeans have -- went after 2008, europeans thought the messiah had been elected in america. we'd gone through a period of really intense anti-americanism, george bush was seen as a gun-toting texan who doesn't understand the world and caused havoc everywhere. and there was a real antipathy amongst europeans and along comes president obama and everyone falls in love with him. and we wanted to vote in this election, too. and some of that blush has worn off. i would state that the europeans are still more -- think barack obama as still more cool than americans do. the scale has not fallen from european eyes to the degree it's fallen from american eyes. >> i think all of europeans are aghast at the paralysis in america. and america's inability to act on basic things that would make the country strong. i mean, we looked at the debt crisis and thought, what's going on? i mean, really? really, america could possibly do this? >> do you see anything like this in the british parliament? >> it's a totally different system. in a parliamentary system, you're elected into office and you have pretty much free reign to do what you want and the job is to sit there and say no, no, no, no. in a way, in america you have that, the republicans say no, no, no. and it doesn't work. your system is built on and for cooperation, but there's no cooperation. so the system doesn't work. >> right. >> and we just have a very different system. we are -- brits and europeans are endlessly fascinated by american politics, by the size of it and the color of your personalities and the money you spend on it and the length of your campaign. we have nothing -- we have gordon brown, even the name is kind of boring, right? you have sarah palin and john mccain and ted cruz and rick perry. we can't compete. >> next weekend in office politics, my interview with christopher dickey. it was just one year ago that gunmen stormed a high-end mall and terrorized men, women and children. that horrifying story through witness accounts. probably about five times. it was different than the other times i tried to quit. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it's a non-nicotine pill. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. that helped me quit smoking. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these, stop chantix and see your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have a history of heart or blood vessel problems, or if you develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. use caution when driving or operating machinery. common side effects include nausea, trouble sleeping and unusual dreams. my quit date was my son's birthday. and that was my gift for him and me. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. one year ago next week, a small group of terrorists stormed the westgate mall in kenya and launched one of the worst terror attacks in recent history. for 80 hours, the terrorists laid siege on the mall. in the end, nearly 70 people were murdered, 200 wounded. and now a new documentary from hbo takes us inside the terror at the mall. >> told the lady someone was coming, i saw the reflection of someone coming. >> she was shaking and saying they're coming, they're coming. and i was thinking they were going to walk past. they came straight into where we were. and very deliberately, they shot everybody around us. i never looked up, i never saw anything. it was just a sound of just -- >> they say now it is your time. we have come for you. >> joining me now is the producer and director of terror at the mall. dan reid. so much of this film was about the individual heroism of the survivors and those that came forward. when the system broke down. the military arguing outside. strangers pleading for the lives of their children. what's your biggest take away when talking to the survivors? >> my biggest take away, personally, when you were caught in this kind of situation, run, don't hide. that would be my, yeah, my take away in terms -- if i was chatting to a friend. the overriding, you know, tactically what to do if you're caught in a attack like this. if you hide, you're a sitting duck. and most of the people who were killed were shot lying trying to hide somewhere in the mall, just lying down, it was a cowardly massacre. >> interestingly, though, one of the most powerful stories of the film was from that one woman hiding with her baby. we're going to play a little bit of that and what she said. >> as i'm looking at them, the terrorist that's in the middle in the front looks at us and sees the baby peering around and turns his head to the side and kind of cocks his head and makes this cute baby face and waves at me and waves at the baby. and i just remember thinking if they see my face now, they're going to know how crazy i think this is. i can't believe what just happened. they're killing women and children and they're making baby faces at us and waving. >> i mean, what is that? you hear hints of humanity in these terrorists but killed so many others in cold blood. was there any kind of logic as to why some survived and others died? >> i think there was kind of a change of plan. there were further instructions given over the phone. these guys were in touch with their masters in somalia. i think, you know, after the initial shooting spree in which they gunned anyone down regardless of faith or sex or age, they were told, you know, maybe slow down, maybe release some muslims, release some women and children, show that we're not being completely indiscriminate in the attacks. i think it's a case of, you know, an updated set of instructions, partly. >> something that might make this footage so incredibly terrifying to the viewers is really the juxtaposition of it. you've got this shopping mall, it gets transformed into a war zone. you think that's the true goal of terrorism to bring fear to what we find common place and familiar? >> exactly. i think this attack, shopping mall, the place where we all go, where we feel relaxed, where we're vulnerable around the world, you know. people can easily imagine this happening to them. and i think that's, you know, that's if you want to call this an effective terrorist attack. the idea this could happen to e me, where i live, where i go, that's terror. this attack was perfectly suited to propagating that sense of fear. >> and, dan, these survivors you speak to a year later, in general, how are they doing? does this -- does their experience haunt them on a daily basis? >> i think they are all haunted. i think they deal with it. you know, some better, some worse. a lot of the people that i interviewed were remarkably, you know, in good shape, very strong. but it's certainly something that's completely as it would, as you would imagine changed their lives. they now think, yes, this could happen. there were all people like you and me, oh, it could never happen. and it did happen to them. and it's changed the way they see the world. most of them are dealing with it quite well, especially the moms, you know, i told three stories of mothers hiding with children in the mall. i couldn't imagine a more terrifying scenario and being at the mercy of people whose agenda was to kill. >> yeah. >> and yet, all three of them survived. >> well, dan reed, thank you for your time with us. and i want everyone to watch "terror at the mall." best of luck with it. thank you. the u.s. could begin launching air strikes against isis and syria at any time. straight ahead a report from the ground in damascus. 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we know that secretary kerry earlier today said that the united states had gotten some commitments from a number of countries saying essentially they would put some boots on the ground, that they would join the united states in air strikes if that is what was asked of them. kerry was not specific about which countries have promised that. we know that secretary kerry has been crisscrossing the middle east. ten arab nations signed a communique essentially promising some type of military aid, humanitarian aid. that international coalition is starting to come together, but there are a lot of questions about what specifically it will look like. of course, the united states has already begun launching air strikes in iraq, 160 of them at last count. and it is believed that syria will be the next country to undergo air strikes at isis targets, alex. >> well, in terms of what it would look like, we heard dennis mcdonagh talking about that. what's he saying? >> that's right, he did, alex, the administration wants to be very careful to explain to the american public what this military operation is going to look like. and they're drawing sharp contrasts between this and the ground wars in iraq and afghanistan, for example, making it very clear there are not going to be u.s. boots on the ground. any boots put on the ground are going to come from those who are actually in the region. here's a little bit of what dennis mcdonagh had to say on "meet the press." take a listen. >> this effort against isil is something we'll undertake with a broad coalition of nations. and it's something -- not like the war in iraq where we're going to have hundreds of thousands of ground troops in the effort. but rather, this is something that's going to be concerted, targeted and it's a war we have to win. >> reporter: and so, alex, you hear him use that term war underscoring the fact that the united states has shifted the way it now sees this fight against isis. we're also getting new polling numbers, the latest "wall street journal" poll shows that 61% of americans support military action against isis, but only 31% of them believe that the president's plan at this point in time will be effective. so the administration clearly has some convincing to do on that front. but they do have the backing of the vast majority of americans to move forward with this operation. >> kristen, thanks for that. we're going to pick right up with what you were saying. because at any time now, the united states could be launching air strikes inside syria. but now the assad government wants to play a role, something the obama administration has called a no go. joining me now from damascus, syria, bill neely. hello, bill. >> reporter: yes, hello, alex, from syria. the killing of a third western hostage and a threat to kill a fourth is, of course, designed to terrorize, intimidate and to pressure western governments. it certainly won't deter them as president obama made clear saying we stand shoulder to shoulder today with the uk. but there's no doubt the president faces some hard choices now. we've heard his intention to degrade and destroy isis here in syria, as well. that's the rhetoric, if you like, the reality when does he order air strikes here in the country where western hostages are being killed. can he do anything to stop further hostages being murdered? where does he strike? who are the moderate rebels who might retake the ground after u.s. air strikes? and does he coordinate those air strikes in any way with the syrian regime, who this morning have been using their war planes to bomb rebels about a mile, mile and a half behind me here in damascus. so there is no doubt there is pressure now on the president. not just because of these videos, it's an immensely complex situation. as i say on the edge of damascus, not isis trying to take areas. but another rebel group, which is allied to al qaeda. now, in what respect could they ever be regarded as america's allies? and how do you tackle isis without strengthening president assad. so the choices for the president in iraq and here in syria are very different. but the most immediate choice. is there anything he can do to stop the killing of yet another western hostage. back to you, alex. >> bill neely, thank you much. the new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows 68% of americans lack confidence that the u.s. will accomplish the goals laid out by president obama expressing the doubts the u.s. and its allies will be able to degrade and defeat. to take action against isis in iraq and syria while 22% oppose it. on the heels of that, let's bring in managing editor and white house reporter from the "washington post" david macnumora. >> i think i interpret it as americans have a long memory. they've seen what it means. they know that president bush was in office for two terms left without getting bin laden, that came later under president obama. even as the president tried to get bin laden, you know, there was an attack on a cia station in afghanistan. they're very, very clear, i think, now on what it means to have a fight like this. so while they support the president and want to see isis diminish, destroyed, degraded, it's because they perceived the threat that the president does. but they also know that there's no easy answer here. >> yeah. david, do you get a sense of how the white house is interpreting these numbers? >> well, i think the white house knows they have a challenge. even the way the president walked up to his speech sort of taking his time, taking a lot of criticism that he hadn't acted strong enough. there was a reason the white house did that. they wanted to sort of change the government in iraq to get a more stable coalition there. they wanted to work on international partners and to get partners in the arab sworwo as well. and now, you're looking at a strategy that has no particular end date. you're going into a country that is very uncertain with its own civil war as your report just talked about and relying on countries such as saudi arabia, agreements with iran and the idea they're going to train ground troops with the free syrian army which just last year the administration was saying unreliable ground force. i think that's why there's a lot of doubt as to what really the end goal is and how long it's going to take there and whether we have the means to do it. >> what's interesting, the president has said, he welcomes congressional support for this. but he's also said, look, i have the authority to go ahead. and that's getting reaction from members of his own party and that would include -- let's listen to what he said. >> i think this is a new war, a new chapter, and a long standing problem in the middle east. and congress has the responsibility and the obligation of taking it up, declaring war or authorization to use force and circumscribing in my view, the nature of that war. >> members of congress saying we've got to take a vote. those sentiments echoed, as well. so what do you think happens? is this a vote that all members of congress would want to take especially with midterms looming? >> right. and i think that's exactly it. i think there are members of congress who are incumbents who are seeking reelection who don't want a vote who are trying to distance themselves from this. we've seen others, both republicans and democrats, frankly, who would like an opportunity to vote who aren't up for reelection, you know, senator john mccain is a perfect example of a republican on one side who has been pushing for a vote knowing he's totally safe not facing voters again right now. but i think, you know, i think the president just going forward and saying, look, this is what's going to happen, you know, you can act in congress any way you want. and we still don't see congress moving forward on anything, and they have the authority to go ahead and vote on something if they want. >> okay. hey, david, we've been talking about isis releasing this new execution propaganda video. what is the reaction you're hearing from your sources in the white house? >> i think last night, at first, they were a bit cautious talking about they're going to leave it to david cameron, but then he did come out and talked about a brutal murder and reiterated the vow to degrade and destroy isis. in some ways, both sides are playing their own game. isis, i think, wants to stir up this kind of emotion and bring sort of the attention they're getting worldwide. at the same time, i think the administration believes these kind of propaganda videos while dangerous and ability to maybe recruit new recruits, you know, to the cause, at the same time, hopefully we'll stir sort of international support and new partnerships that sort of backs the u.s. effort here. >> is it the kind of thing that might also stir congress to take a vote on this? seeing these kind of horrific videos, propaganda videos? and there may be more to come? >> perhaps. and i think david makes a good point, too. which is the original killings of the two americans journalists was shocking to the american public. you know, an overwhelming number of americans know about that. >> 94%. 94% to anything else. >> anything. >> it's extraordinary. it had a huge impact. we see today, australia getting involved. supporting the president, supporting this effort. it could very well be that congress is moved enough and it could very well be, as david said, helping to get other people more stronger partnerships involved in the coalition. >> yeah. hey, david, in terms of coalition from arab states, what kind of coalition will secretary kerry be able to cobble together? >> i think that remains to be seen. they've already announced, you know, partnership with saudi arabia, train syrian fighters. that's an important step. and obviously, you know, they're talking about maybe training other forces, as well, and of course, the iraqi forces. there's obviously an interest to get countries like turkey onboard, as well and perhaps other countries, sort of strengthen this effort and make it sort of -- give it more legitimacy in the arab world. but how that sort of looks and the role or the lack of role that iran plays is also a question for this administration. but i think it's really going to be a task to get this coalition together. iowa puts out the welcome mat for hillary clinton. is the hawkeye state a land of promise if she runs for president? and another nfl player is sidelined because of domestic violence. yeah! vo: don't just dream of being the hero. make it happen. i can't believe we're missing the game for this. we're not. i've got xlte. vo: it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. now get 1gb of bonus data, and our best pricing ever on the more everything plan. want to feel nature's energy? 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>> i think the smoking gun is did roger goodell see that video. it's an interesting investigation. it's an interesting investigation because they're overseeing it and before this had come out with a letter in support of roger goodell. >> adrian peterson, how damaging is this to his career, potentially? >> well, it absolutely could end his career ultimately. he has one count of injuring a child. the biggest thing for the issue was the image damaged again coming after ray rice. and how are they going to handle it? i think the vikings did the right thing. they deactivated them today. it doesn't take money out of his pockets. i think what's going to happen with his career with adrian's career would be meted up with the judicial system. getting back to the league. you know, until everything happened with ray rice. adrian probably would have been on the field. >> it's innocent until proven guilty. >> yeah. and i think people get that. but what people may not understand. when you're an nfl player, you sign up for a policy. you can be taken off the field. they do sign up for this sort of richard disciplinarian style. and they are pulled off the field. so, i mean, it's not the typical working relationship you have with your employers. a little bit different. in this case, they did the right thing. >> okay. thank you, guys, for weighing in. appreciate that. hillary clinton returns to iowa for the first time since the hawkeye state crippled her run for the white house in 2008. we're going to go there live to see how iowa might treat her if she runs in 2016. pehabits of cleaning theirld dentures with toothpaste, and dentures are very different than real teeth. they're about ten times softer and have surface pores where bacteria can grow and multiply. polident is specifically designed to clean dentures daily. it's unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor-causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning it a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why dentists recommend using polident. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, like celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions, or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. don't take celebrex if you have bleeding in the stomach or intestine, or had an asthma attack, hives, other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history. and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion. and now celebrex may be available for as little as $4 a month. terms and conditions apply. to learn more, go to celebrex.com. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. in a little more than 30 minutes, hillary clinton is expected to make a much anticipated appearance in iowa. she'll join her husband, former president bill clinton for the 37th and final steak fry. traditionally attracted visits by potential presidential hopefuls. and joining me now from that steak fry is msnbc political reporter. welcome to you. do you have any idea what we're expecting to hear from hillary clinton today? >> well, thanks for having me, alex. it's a tricky speech for her. this is the unofficial kickoff. her first time back in iowa. i don't think she's going to do anything to distract from tom harkin today. this is his day, he's retiring, a lot of history there between the clintons and the har kins. hinge she's going to talk about his legacy, the 2016 candidates. and stay entirely away from 2016. >> your article, the latest one is titled "hillary clinton's long, difficult history with iowa." what do you mean? >> well, iowa has never been friendly to the clintons. never been their home state. harkin in 1992 ran for president, so bill clinton didn't bother campaigning here. when clinton came in 2008, none of her senior staff had experience here. they considered skipping the state entirely. and when a memo expressing that leaked, it was a huge bombshell. she was, you know, totally outmaneuvered by barack obama, came in third on iowa caucus night, which was a huge embarrassment for this front runner. and it's really the state that derailed hillary clinton. it's the state that made barack obama the president of the united states. >> a new poll among the iowa democrats shows hillary clinton is way ahead of 53% and vice president biden, he's coming in second at 15%. how big an event, alex, is this for potential presidential hopefuls with the likes of 5,000 tickets sold just for today? >> this is huge. i mean, this is how you reach the iowa democratic faithful. these are the people who are going to knock on doors, who are going to be precinct captains, get people to the polls on the cold january night when you really need people fired up and excited. every presidential candidate makes a pilgrimage here. and for hillary clinton to come here so early, it's a big deal. her supporters in the state have been wanting her to come. they've been wanting her to spend some face time with iowa voters. so this is, you know, very important for her to come here. so important, in fact, that bernie sanders will be in des moines later tonight and joe biden, the number two is coming on wednesday. so tea leaves to be read there. >> okay. >> well, we enjoy doing that with your help. thank you so much. secretary of state john kerry's preparing for what could be a crucial meeting on the war against isis. but one middle east country is being told to stay away. and it's one of the greatest political families in american history. and ken burns tells the story of the roosevelts. i know what you're thinking. you're thinking beneful. 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(singing) snack time and lunch. gogurt because lunch needs some fun. welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." an emergency meeting of the military and security chiefs today. prompting by the beheading of david haines. the third beheading of a westerner in recent weeks. joining me now from london with more on this. kelly with a welcome, here's how david cameron framed the horrific actions of isis earlier today. let's take a listen. >> they claimed to do this in the name of islam. that is nonsense. islam is a religion of peace. british tornadoes and surveillance aircraft have been helping with intelligence gathering and logistics. this is not about british combat troops on the ground. >> actually, alex, we're not expecting to hear more from the prime minister today, anyway. he did promise in that statement earlier that great britain would take whatever steps necessary to defeat isis, but he made no mention of getting more deeply involved militarily. there are no plans to call parliament in recess or any sort of vote against the islamic state despite pressure from his own party. the prime minister lost a vote in syria last year. he also has a serious domestic crisis to deal with right now. he'll tread carefully at least until that vote is over. >> mike haines spoke half an hour ago or so about his brother david. here's part of that. >> nor is it the fault of people of middle eastern descent. the attraction of complete control as an implement of population control has an appeal throughout society. >> what are you hearing about the general response from british citizens and leaders from other countries? >> alex, people have used words like incomprehensible, sickening. inexcusable, barbaric act. in fact, we heard from the president of the islamic society of great britain who called the isis militants criminals and villains -- a lot of outrage, alex, of course, the question is, will it translate to public support or pressure for more military action? and so far, there's been very little appetite in this country for that kind of involvement. we'll see if it shifts, alex. >> okay. kelly in london, thank you for that. kelly talking there about public support. let's talk about diplomatic support because meanwhile, tomorrow the international leaders will meet in paris to discuss the threat of isis. and president obama's plan for coalition. one major player not invited is iran. and now they're saying that they never wanted to come anyway. this meeting comes amid speculation that the fight against isis might present an opportunity for the u.s. and iran to work together against a common enemy and improve relations. joining me now to talk about this, she is the former tehran correspondent for the times of london. this question about isis, how much interest is there in iran to get rid of this group? >> well, iran feels very threatened and vulnerable by isis by what's happening so close to the borders. in june, iran and the united states did hold brief talks about isis. that doesn't sound as unusual as it appears. we mustn't also forget that iran and the united states held talks in 2001 about the common enemy then, which was the taliban. but clearly the supreme leader has pulled back the reins with america at this point. >> do you think iran would ever go along with air strikes inside syria? >> absolutely not. if -- if it was any -- if it was to do with it involved with the united states at the moment. and you can see this power play at the moment happening within the iranian regime that more moderates are far more open to speaking to talks with the united states, to speaking to the united states. but the supreme leader, like i said, has pulled back the reins. in fact, only last week, he told an audience of clerics that he believes isis was created by the americans. and he said he has evidence of this. this perfectly shows you the power play at the moment that the hard liners are blocking any reform, blocking any moves to establish better relations with the united states. >> let's talk now about your book, city of lies. a profile of eight tehranians from all walks of life. how did you meet these individuals and why did you decide to write about them? >> i wanted to show the complexity of iranian society. i wanted to show that tehran is a really sophisticated city. and it's not this monolith that's often viewed in the west as this kind of country that's divided between hard liners on one side and secular iranians on the other. it's a real mixture. and i started interviewing ordinary iranians over the last ten years. i felt the voices had been eclipsed by the nuclear crisis and international politics. it's so much more revealing than international politics. tells you so much more about a country. >> but here's what's interesting. the title of the book, it's called city of lies. why is hypocrisy and dishonesty, why is that a part of today's tehran? >> i make it really clear that iranians aren't congenital liars. but they lie in order to live the lives they want to live. and lying has become a way of adapting to 30 years, over 30 years of islamic rule, of the regime. >> okay. one of the people we meet in your book, it's a terrorist who tries to execute a former police chief. why did you include him? >> well, first of all, he has an amazing, dramatic story. and he, as well, represents iran on so many levels. so he does represent dissident movements, the exile going back to iran, trying to rediscover his roots. trying to understand his identity. >> all right. we talked about something, and we were teasing this interview. a few chapters in, we meet laila, a beautiful prostitute, a judge, a wealthy playboy. she starts appearing in pornographic films. i'm not going to give away the ending, but it doesn't work out well for her. then we learn about the iranian government's obsession with sex. describe that. what is the obsession. >> yeah, there are many laws about sex. and some of them can be quite specific, how you're allowed to have sex, about homosexual sex, all the punishments over sex. and what's happened in iran is really interesting on a sexual level within society as well as anything that becomes that's oppressed. people become very obsessed with it. and at the moment, i think what's interesting, there seems to be a real sexual awakening among the youth about sex and their sexual lives. and sex in a way is now used as a tool of rebellion. it's used as a form of protest in a way. >> well, it's an interesting book, we wish you the best of luck with it. thank you for speaking with us about city of lies. thanks. >> thank you. as president obama grapples with the prospects of defeating isis, equally daunting challenges face one of our greatest presidents. franklin roosevelt is just part of the story of ken burns' 14-hour look of the roosevelts and how would fdr and t.r. confront today's turmoil? 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>> well, i think it is exactly that. the sense of leadership. and i think that's the central question of today. you know, not only what is the role of government, what can a citizen expect from his or her government? but also, what is the nature of leadership? how does character form leadership? and how is adversity, you know, instrumental in forming that character? they had advantages that current politicians don't. and that all the presidents had the congress on their side and could get things through. but even then, the opposition was tremendous. it sounds like an echo of today. both t.r. and fdr were accused of being socialists, social security, the hallmark of the new deal barely cleared committee. so that you're dealing with people who were really good at rolling up the sleeves and getting things done and being invested as were the opposition parties in compromise. and when that, you know, when we reached the kind of gridlock today, we sort of lament that we have no heroes, we have no leaders. but, in fact, it seems that the poison in our system is more systemic than it is the lack of heroes. >> well, let's face it. what i do for a living, notwithstanding, they also didn't have the 24/7 news cycle where everything they say is parsed through and validated and scrutini scrutinized. that was part of it. i want to talk about eleanor. her story is fascinating, as well. with the amount of adversity she had to overcome to achieve what she did. i'm going to play a clip about her. here's that. >> she had learned to face fear and master it long before her husband declared that the only thing americans had to fear was fear itself. her own character and energy and devotion to principle would make her the most in american history. >> where did she get her resilience? and how was she able to make that impact? >> well, you know, this is one of the great miracles of the american political story. i mean, she is orphaned as a young girl, her father had been a hopeless alcoholic and mentally ill. her mother was a great beauty but aloof, who was disappointed in eleanor's looks as a little girl. and called her granny, called her own daughter granny. she was sent to live with relatives. she should not have survived, and yet, she did. and she seemed to have been ahead on every issue of the day. race and women's issues, poverty, immigration, health, children, labor. she'd go down in the mines. she is just a testament to the human spirit and is without a doubt the most consequential first lady. everyone measures their performance in that role by eleanor roosevelt. >> and hank stubers from the "washington post." he wrote he couldn't stand it when the 14 hours of the series was over. he was sad it was over. but he also wrote about eleanor in saying that, what you said, actually, rather, is that even though burns never sets out to bring his projects into a current context or beat his viewers over the head with an editorial message. still wondering what made these rich people so much nicer than the fat cats. you just described them as they were then. but why are they nicer than the ones we have today? >> you know, this is the interesting thing. and i think the root of all evil. money has come in and polluted things. these were people who are well to do, privileged to the manner born. but money wasn't part of the equation. of course, it gave them the possibility to devote themselves to a public service and life. and theodore's father was a philanthropist who had what he called a troublesome conscience. everything has to do with reelection, making money, the election cycles are essentially, you know, huge money fests in which dump trucks of money come. and that changes the equation of the ability to just look a problem in the eye and say, come on, we all want this solved. what are we going to do? treate corners. we are not interested in making little bitle call hay. my point of view is not important in our films. we want to tell a good story. we know that the past is prologue, not even past. >> i love your perspective on everything. drek tor ken burns, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> all of you can watch "the roosevelts" tonight at 8:00/7:00 central on pbs. it's a fight against a global tragedy. how you can help save the lives of oh 50 million people next. do you have something for pain? 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